LinkedIn Job Boards Like It's 1999

Stick around in this industry long enough and you may see something like a mobile stock trading app called Robinhood acquire a staffing firm. Yeah, that really happened. Hard to top that news, but...

  • Uber finally treating drivers like human beings in the UK,

  • SmartRecruiters getting smarter,

  • Charter kicks wages in the ass

  • LinkedIn suffering an identity crisis

  • WeWork? Nope, I'm gonna WorkChew!

  • Dice innovates... HA!

  • Zoom-inspired Botox comes pretty close. Plus lots more

Enjoy this St. Patty’s Day hangover-inspired episode, powered by JobAdx, Sovren, and Jobvite.


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INTRO (1s):

Hide your kids! Lock the doors! You're listening to HR’s most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheeseman are here to punch the recruiting industry, right where it hurts! Complete with breaking news, brash opinion and loads of snark, buckle up boys and girls, it's time for the Chad and Cheese podcast.

Joel (23s):

Oh yeah. Shots in arms and money and pockets America. You're listening to the Chad and Cheese podcast on your cohost. Joel "Irish whiskey made me do it" Cheeseman.

Chad (35s):

and I'm Chad "Counting Calories" Sowash and on this week, show Robinhood bought what? Uber anarchy in the UK and Botox is booming! We'll be right back.


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Joel (1m 39s):

Oh, shots are the theme of this week. Me doing whiskey shots and your wife getting shots.

Chad (1m 45s):

That's right, baby. Yeah. Julie got on a wait list and here in Indiana, this is so freaky. All the States have like their own way of doing this shot thing. And then it almost seems like the counties are doing their own things as well. I mean, it doesn't seem like it was as easy for you to get shots. I was lucky enough, almost like I had a cheat code where I got in the next day. As soon as it hit, you know, hit the age, it was like, boom, I got in the next day, Julie got on a wait list because this state will not waste any, any of the vaccine. So if somebody cancels, they have a list of people to call and they call and say, can you be here in 30 minutes?

Chad (2m 28s):

She was like, yes. And she was, she ran up the steps. She was glowing and she was off.

Joel (2m 36s):

So I was, I've been on that same list for months. They haven't called me yet, but I'm scheduled next Friday to get my first shot here locally, which is fine. So it's amusing. When you get added to the wait list, they give you two phone numbers, or at least this was my case. They gave you two numbers to make sure we're in your contact list. Ah, so when they called,

Chad (2m 60s):


Joel (3m 1s):

You know, whatever showed up or so, so I'm wondering if Julie mentioned putting those in her phone with the name of who was calling and when she saw that call, come in, obviously got excited.

Chad (3m 12s):

She answered any call. And that was, that was her, that was it. It was like, I don't know where it's going to come from. I don't care. I'm just going to answer any call. And I'm actually getting my second shot next Friday. You'll be heading into the opportunities of getting the fuck out of the house. And I will be in my second phase of fuck yeah!

Joel (3m 31s):

I know you're taking a week off. Is that part of the vaccine love tour? That's kind of, (music),

Chad (3m 38s):

Oh dude, we are on Airbnb. We've got all these different trips that are planned, that week is in April where I am actually marrying a couple of my friends in Charleston!

Joel (3m 53s):

Yeah, I forgot you have that distinction now. You're going to be yeah.

Chad (3m 57s):


Joel (3m 58s):

Clergy. That's nice. That's nice. Yeah, we won't mention the name of the company, but both of us got an email today saying, Hey, we're looking at doing an analyst day. We're looking at fall of this year. We're doing a quick survey of whether you'd be up for face to face or you want the virtual thing. And I think both of us answer within two minutes saying like, we're good for face to face. Yeah. We're good for a trip somewhere.

Chad (4m 24s):

Let's do this.

Joel (4m 25s):

We'll do that thing. Yeah. We will be vaccinated and ready to go. So St. Patrick's Day was yesterday. Did you do anything special besides counting calories for your summer bod to make an appearance?

Chad (4m 37s):

Yeah, usually I don't worry about that shit, but during COVID I've been extra indulgent,

Joel (4m 43s):

Extra drinking, extra drink,

Chad (4m 45s):

So therefore I've backed off a tad and, we're focused on getting fit and trim so that we can get the fuck outta here and look good.

Joel (4m 53s):


Chad (4m 55s):

Yeah. I'll take that!

Joel (4m 57s):

Aside from a good share of my, of my Guinness here in the house. I had a cavalcade, a parade, if you will, of Irish whiskeys that I sampled and I'm a little hung over. I don't know if you can tell, but this, this is a pretty low energy podcast for the weekly for me, but I mean, it's always a great time to think about Ireland. My grandfather, Irish roots. And I just first shout out for me is I want to just name off some names of Irish listeners that are friends and, and love the show. Adam Chambers of course, Neil Dunwoody, Shane Gray, who's probably in Fiji or Bora Bora right now anyway. So who, you know, whatever Patty Doyle, who we've had pizza with, have a pizza with Patti Doyle.

Joel (5m 39s):

That's the most on Irish or Irish thing ever. Andrea Wade, Johnny Campbell, Dave Ralph, Ivan Stowjanowicz

Chad (5m 47s):

The Irish recruiter.

Joel (5m 48s):

And not a very Irish name. Yes. The Irish recruiter with the most non-Irish name ever.

Chad (5m 52s):

Cause he's from Croatia! That's why.

Joel (5m 55s):

Put a Mc in front of it. And it's McStojavoniwich or whatever. So yeah, love the Irish. We're all a little Irish on St. Patrick's Day. Shout out to our, our Irish fans.

Chad (6m 6s):

I've got to give Ivan big props this week. Number one, he has a tool that's called is probably one of the strongest tools that are out there. And if you're a recruiter, I'm not going to go into, into great detail. But if you're a recruiter and you don't know what is, get your ass there now. Then Ivan also was saying, Hey, you guys are looking to travel. Have you looked at Croatia? And then he started sending me stuff and I'm like, Holy fuck. We're just, we're going to go and bounce around Europe. And Croatia is definitely going to be one of the must attend, let's say, on the tour or the Sowash tour.

Chad (6m 49s):

So at least 30 days in Croatia. So big, big, big props and shout out to Ivan.

Joel (6m 54s):

Yeah, no doubt and big shout out to a Jobvite, sponsor of the show they announced today before we went on that they were officially moving their HQ to Indianapolis the bread basket and the birthplace of online recruiting, for those that are in the know. So glad to have HQ, a big name in our industry established here in Indianapolis. Now we're trying to get them to open up a little sound studio so we can go in and do live shows, but, but that's sort of on the back burner, they got bigger things to worry about, but we'll see if they can build us a studio down there in downtown.

Chad (7m 29s):

Stocked with beer!

Joel (7m 30s):

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Chad (7m 34s):

As we talk about names, Jobvite in Indianapolis, shout out to Vettery, as it seems, they're finally going to get rid of their stupid name and rebrand as The thing that kills me about this is they took far too long. They should have made that cosmetic change, at least from the standpoint, much faster. I mean, seriously, if you're in marketing and you're in sales and you can get away from, you know, a made up name, fucking do it.

Joel (8m 6s):

Yeah. Shout out to some good looking people sportin' some good looking shirts this week. Christie Moon, super-fan of the show, actually one of the earliest super-fans, she's Mark Fogel. She is OG, sporting some good tea good-looking tees. And if you'd like a Chad&Cheese t-shirt of your own, what do they got to do, Chad?

Chad (8m 27s):

It's really simple. All you have to do is go to, click on free, up in the upper right-hand corner or go to And we give away t-shirts powered by But we also have beer from Adzooma that you could prospectively win. David Bernstein actually had his beer hit his doorstep this week, right?

Joel (8m 53s):

Yeah. Yeah. He was loving it! He was a stout drinker. Oh yeah. We actually let you kind of pick what kind of beer you want. So as a stout drinker, we had an ample amount of black beer sent to him and we're still trying to get a zoom tasting on the calendar, but David "Steven Seagal" Bernstein, he's a happy man for sure. And it was all free. Thanks to Adzooma.

Chad (9m 17s):

Thanks Adzooma and then we have whiskey next week with Jill. That's already, that's already scheduled, right? Yeah.

Joel (9m 25s):

And that's sponsored by Sovren. And we got Robert Ruff on the call!

Chad (9m 30s):


Joel (9m 31s):

As well as Michael O'Dell on the call. Both of them are in Nashville. So I don't know if they're going to be a socially distanced and in the same place, or if they're just gonna join the call separately. But yeah. Excited for that. If you want whiskey, beer or a t-shirt at no cost to you, head out to or click that button on the homepage.

Chad (9m 53s):

Amen. So, Joel, I don't know if you know this or not, but we love lists and we have landed on the AI HRS 65 plus global influencers in HR to follow in 2021 list.

Joel (10m 12s):

I missed that. Are we on separately or together?

Chad (10m 15s):

We're on together. They have us at the hip as usual.

Joel (10m 19s):

Bit scary.

Chad (10m 20s):

It's a thing. It's a thing.

Joel (10m 22s):

I wish I could quit you.

Chad (10m 26s):

You had me at hello.

Joel (10m 30s):

Oh shit. Well, are you still doing events?

Chad (10m 33s):

I have an event next weekend. And first off, I'd like to say what a joy it was to have just a back and forth conversation with Madeline Laurano, she is wonderful to talk to. She's much easier than you are, let me tell you. This week, we talked about the state of programmatic with job ads and next week, so we did that podcast this week, check it out the state of programmatic with Madeline Laurano. Now she did research around programmatic and we're actually going to dig deeper into it next week, March 23rd, from one to two Eastern.

Chad (11m 14s):

If you get to, navigate your way through their webcasts, you can either watch it live or the recorded version later, either way, she does great work. And I think what you and I both Joel, we are big proponents of programmatic performance driven advertising.

Joel (11m 35s):

I can't disagree with any of the stuff you just said. Let's get to topic shall we?

Chad (11m 41s):


Joel (11m 42s):

So, this is one of the more fascinating news stories, I think that we've reported on in a while. So Robinhood, you know, the online trading app said on Monday, that it would recruiting firm Binc, which I've never heard of out in San Francisco for an undisclosed sum, adding more than 80 employees to help Robinhood recruit talent. Binc will no longer be available to provide recruiting services. So they're basically shutting down their operation unless your name is Robinhood. A San Francisco based recruiting firm was founded in 2002. And according to Glassdoor has revenue of between $10 million and $25 million.

Joel (12m 22s):

I just find this very fascinating. When you think about talent recruiting, getting people in the door, startups and tech companies needing folks, why not just go buy a fucking recruiting firm? I mean, it seems sort of brilliant and obvious, and it feels like a trend in the making. What are your thoughts?

Chad (12m 38s):

Yeah, they could have done that. Or they could have just gone to an RPO. I mean one of the two, I mean, I think this is, this is a weird way of getting this done. Yeah. I'm just going to go buy a staffing firm. Well, why didn't you just go to an RPO and have them as long as you needed them or, I mean, overall, this seems like a very lazy way to say that we need a recruiting function, that's worth a shit. Let's go and just buy it and insert them into our organization. I mean, the problem is they have too much cash obviously.

Joel (13m 14s):

They do have a lot of cash. I don't know. I mean, look, I can go get eggs at the grocery store, but if I have my own chickens, the eggs are maybe a little better. Maybe they're a little fresher, maybe they're a little more organic. I don't know. I mean, maybe, maybe there's some, some logic there and by the way, Robinhood knows math, right? I mean, they're making money on spreads and all that good stuff and stuff that's way out of my understanding, but you gotta think somebody did the math around, what are we paying, you know, staffing firms or RPOs versus what we could just keep on our own. And maybe the math adds up. It was cheaper to just go buy somebody and keep those fees than to outsource it.

Chad (13m 53s):

We've seen founders with cash do stupid shit. We've seen that over and over, not just in our industry, in many industries, right? This is, I think one of those situations it's like just, yeah, those guys over there. They, yeah, they look like they could be, let's just buy them. This is probably that we'll just buy them. Then we'll insert them into our organization. Once again, this is interesting because we talk about like tech firms buying like recruitment ad agencies or something like that. You're buying the talent to some extent, right? How long is it going to take for that talent just to walk the fuck out the door?

Joel (14m 31s):

Yeah. I mean, that's any industry for sure. And I doubt that all the recruiters on the company are under contract for any particular time, so they could certainly walk. But I agree that the Aqua hire option here was interesting. You know, talking to Serge and Brian from Canada a couple of weeks ago, I was guest on their show. We talked recruiting post COVID and would companies just rehire all these recruiters or load up or would they go more automation and both Serge and Brian agreed, I know their both recruiters, so take that for what it's worth. But they think that companies are going to load up on, on human beings. So if you're on, if you're in that, if you're in that camp, buying 80 recruiters was a pretty good move to just as opposed to recruiting 80 recruiters.

Chad (15m 17s):

I don't agree.

Joel (15m 19s):

I was surprised that they were shutting down the recruiting business. I was thinking like they could have a scam going where they get the A players and then they send the C players, you know, to the competition. Like they could, they could double dip, while controlling the playing field. Yeah.

Chad (15m 37s):

It's to me again, just seems lazy. And that's what happens when people have money. I mean, it is a, you can throw money at shit when you have piles of it. The harder part is when you don't have money and you have to figure it out.

Joel (15m 51s):

Yeah. Well I think it's creative and I think it's a trend. We'll have to wait and see. Twitter announces they've acquired a staffing company. Okay. Well, who doesn't need a staffing company? Actually they do, but Uber is in the news. Holy shit, every week we're talking with them. So we're talking about them again. So they have, they got a big case in the UK. Uber said 70,000 drivers in the UK will now be treated as, in quotes "workers, earning at least the UK is national living wage and other benefits," Uber reported "the worker classification is unique to UK labor law, workers are not employees, but are entitled to the minimum wage holiday pay and a pension,"

Joel (16m 34s):

which is interesting. An Uber rep said, "Uber drivers will receive an earnings guarantee, holiday pay and a pension and will retain the flexibility they currently value" end quote, Uber said an estimated 99% of UK drivers already earn the minimum wage and also noted UK drivers will be paid holiday time based on 12.07, which is really a specific percentage of their earnings paid out every two weeks. Drivers will also be automatically enrolled into a pension plan with contributions from Uber. These contributions will represent approximately 3% of a drivers earnings. Fan or not so much, Chad?

Chad (17m 13s):

I'm a big fan. I mean, we need to be treating people as if they matter and Uber didn't have to treat these individuals as if they matter. I mean, they're just throwaway, to be quite Frank. So overall they have to work within the actual lines, right? They were coloring outside the lines for a while. Now this isn't just for Uber. This is anybody who is at based gig economy based. So yes, this is great that Uber is actually coming out and saying, okay, yes, we're starting to figure this out. No shit. You spent $200 million with, you know, Lyft and some of the others in California to try to get this thing defeated.

Chad (17m 54s):

We knew that you could figure it out, but guess what? In the U S here, our votes are bought and paid for, right? Over in the UK, they've showed us how the shit should work. So hopefully we will actually muster the fucking courage, to look down at these organizations and say, no, you can't treat people, like shit. You have to treat them like human beings. So that, and then I also want to transition to giving a shout out to Charter Communications where yeah, this week Charter announced they are raising its minimum wage, starting to $20 an hour for all employees in 2022.

Chad (18m 40s):

Charter established a $15 an hour, starting wage in 2018, announced in April of 2020, that it would permanently raise its starting wage to $20 an hour. And today it's at $18, they have 3000 positions in 41 different States. So I think this, this is great from an optic standpoint for Charter, but also they have 3000 positions open. There's competition. Right? And they need something like this I think.

Joel (19m 12s):

Yeah. And I think competition is sort of the key word there. And I think that, you know, Uber's about a 10 year old company give or take, you know, it's about time that there start to be some sort of a compromise, some sort of a government-friendly, worker-friendly, business-friendly solution. And this, whether it's a San Francisco or California or the UK, this thing is sort of morphing into a hybrid of full-time work and contract work. And I think that it's really almost, it's good for Uber in a lot of different ways, but it's good for the sense that they have to start giving incentives for drivers to choose Uber over Lyft or Door Dash or whatever.

Joel (19m 51s):

So the gig economy now is becoming less about just hours that you work and money that you get paid from a platform or a provider. And you're getting, you know, if I'm getting 3% contribution to, you know, my retirement from Uber and I'm getting zero from Lyft, I'm going to do more Uber driving, for sure. Right? Like I'm going to be more committed to them. So now Lyft is going to have to come forward with something that is friendly in terms of a retention or recruitment tool. And this is just going to like spiral into all the solutions. So I think we're getting to a place where everyone's winning here. I think the workers, the people driving are winning. I think the companies are winning, maybe not as much as profitable as they like to be, but I think they're also pacifying government entities and everyone is sort of, you know, getting a balance into this.

Joel (20m 38s):

And I think that's really healthy. Whether us adopts it or not, I don't know. But I think you're going to see more of this.

Chad (20m 45s):

And that's the difference in taking a look at the UK versus the U S the Charter Communications in the U S the company made the decision, right? And that's one organization. How many organizations are there, here in the US so definitely applaud Charter for that. But we, as a nation have to make a standardized decision that we do not want our citizens living in poverty. And that's one of the biggest issues that we had before COVID. During COVID, it's gotten worse and worse. Luckily we have checks going into the bank to help those individuals out, but still that's a bandaid.

Chad (21m 29s):

We need a long term solution.

Joel (21m 31s):

Yep. And you know how I know that the big, the big boom is coming Chad, the big, the version 2.0 of the roaring twenties, you know how I know?

Chad (21m 38s):

How's that?

Joel (21m 40s):

ZipRecruiter ads. I'm seeing lots and lots and lots of ZipRecruiter ads! And that means the good times are coming. Folks, trust in Zip as the barometer of that. Geez, let's take a break.

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Chad (22m 53s):

All right. So staying on the side of the UK, big question, did you have Cole apply for that Minecraft landscaper position that I sent sent ya?

Joel (23m 5s):

So, yeah, I love that jobs are being put out for virtual repair. Like we can't even fix our own shit. Now we got to fix the virtual world, but no, I think, I think he's off Minecraft. And I think, I think he's on Fortnite now or Call of Duty. Minecraft is like for kids, I think he's off that.

Chad (23m 25s):

The company that actually did this, the name of the company is called What Shed. And here here's a taste of the actual job description. "There is no denying the popularity of Minecraft, in 2020, there were 126 million players as X-Box, PlayStation and Nintendo and Switch.

Joel (23m 43s):

That's huge!

Chad (23m 44s):

So anyway, we thought we'd take our gardening passions into the virtual world. So really what they're doing here is they're starting to implement their brand into these kids' brains. WhatShed actually has like real, real live sheds, not just virtual sheds, sheds that you put in your backyard, right? So will you be using sheds that are branded WhatSheds to build out your landscape in Minecraft, and then when you are, you know, old enough to actually, I don't know, buy a fucking house, what kind of shed do you think you're going to buy?

Joel (24m 25s):

I love that we've moved from red bull and like cool shit to pimping sheds on young kids.

Chad (24m 32s):

Does it not fit seriously?

Joel (24m 35s):

What are the, what are the child labor laws around virtual work? Like, are there, have we cracked down on that yet or not? Geez. That's and how do they pay it? Are they paid with NFTs or a doge coin? Like how power payments sent to them?

Chad (24m 51s):


Joel (24m 52s):

So many questions, so many questions. We're just figuring the Uber stuff out. We need to figure out child labor on the internet. So many things to deal with. Well, fortunately, shout out quick to Dice, the innovation machine continues on. So this past week, I don't know if you missed it, but they added self assessment. Helping people find their voice with 12 minutes, you can find yourself on Dice, kids. They've partnered with human intelligence to help your career goals. And also Clarence Jobs who they own launched meetings, this is an integration that allows recruiters to link their calendar with the job boards platform, then invite candidates to set up appointments for a live chat, video, phone, or in-person conversations.

Joel (25m 37s):

The innovation machine continues to chug along at Dice kids, shout out to them.

Chad (25m 43s):

Any of those worth a press release? Anyway, I'm moving on to Smart Recruiters, press releases, this is bullshit.

Joel (25m 48s):

Don't get me on Silk Road. Don't get me on Silk Road.

Chad (25m 51s):

I didn't even know they were still alive. I thought that company was dead?

Joel (25m 55s):

That was the press release. They sent out something like, Oh, we've added text messaging. And I think both of you and I said, Silk Road is still around. Holy shit. So yeah. Shout out to them for living. Forget about text messaging. They're still alive. Good job.

Chad (26m 10s):

All right. Read us into Smart Recruiters.

Joel (26m 14s):

Smart Recruiters this week announced the launch of Talent Discovery. That's with a capital T and a D. This is an automated matching tool designed to help talent acquisition teams, more effectively source and stock rank existing candidate profiles. Talent Discovery uses NLP and machine learning to surface applicants in a way that goes beyond the traditional resume. Employers can look for applicants with non-traditional backgrounds or experience, including uncommon career paths or uncommon degrees. These are categories that people are stacked into and unearthing uncommon candidates is pretty interesting. For example, a restaurant manager that was laid off might be a really good candidate for a customer service manager.

Joel (26m 59s):

So you've got some insights scoop from some Smart Recruiters folks what's going on there.

Chad (27m 4s):

Actually, I think I woke Terny up this morning.

Joel (27m 7s):

It sound the same nap schedule as I am?