And in historically what happens is an iCIMS text recruit thing where, oh, well text recruiting's kind The I P O market is sort of on hold, iCIMS sort of teased that a couple years ago.

Our next one is gonna be an iCIMS Inspire Coronado Beach early part of May go to Chadcheese.com/events if you're an iCIMS customer I don't know prospect or maybe a vendor who just wants to come to enjoy So remember iSIMS, how much they fucking hate Indeed. Right.

Then we're gonna find ourselves in early May, we're gonna be at Coronado Beach in California for ICIMS The last ICIMS event I attended, which was in November, I happened to see Arnold Schwarzenegger at breakfast So I now have that picture, so we'll see if you have any celebrity sightings at the next ICIMS event.

Joel: That's probably where you were going, is like, if you look at TextRecruit and iCIMS, TextRecruit was on the iCIMS platform, and they saw...

Alykhan is an incredible founder and he was able to exit that company to iCIMS. And I think there's just a huge market validation with Altru being scarfed up by iCIMS for 60 million

And just because iCIMS, which I thought was incredibly smart, bought TextRecruit, doesn't mean that TextRecruit You see iCIMS buying TextRecruit and being at their analyst day this past year. So that's where they provide the iCIMS and the different applicant tracking systems and also the SmashFlys

So yes, the market is validated. iCIMS buys a opening.io. Seriously if you look at iCIMS, we talked about them earlier. iCIMS acquisition of Altru, which was reported If the iCIMS marketplace demonstrated that video was worth buying, then what are all the other core talent

I've got a quick iCIMS story. We were in the Farro airport going from Farro. were going to Paris for a couple of days before we came home and Julie going through security lost my iCIMS And the next thing I know, I get a box and I've got two new iCIMS coolers. Chad (4m 13s): Yeah.

Yeah, in the rare case that you listen to this on Wednesday, Thursday of this week, I will be at iCIMS And yeah, you and I got a little sneak peek at all the stuff iCIMS is gonna be talking about. we've had, we've had companies talk about this year after year after year, Joel, we remember being at iCIMS

Joel Cheesman: iCIMS. We're going to Jersey next week. Joel Cheesman: I'll start off with that. iCIMS, looking forward to it. So, iCIMS doesn't do it, but it can with some of these other vendors that are actually included. Do we now see the iCIMS, the Taleos, the applicant tracking systems of the world start looking to acquire .. if you're not awake at night thinking about this as an ATS owner, and I love that we're going to iCIMS

Chait or Marcomm or whoever the fuck did it, they put out a message to pretty much everyone in which iCIMS Chad (9m 6s): They're really making a charge, Greenhouse, Jobvite, iCIMS, Smart Recruiters. Whereas we talked about iCIMS, JobVite were sort of pre all that. they are quickly going into that, that tier two or tier one ATS, where they're in the discussion with iCIMS

Joel (16m 49s): You integrated currently with those four Smart Recruiters Workday, iCIMS or, I mean, not iCIMS but Lever and Greenhouse. Chad (26m 3s): opening.io was just acquired by iCIMS just months ago. Right.

iCIMS has been around about the same amount of time. Everybody knows who they are. So you see Jobvite acquiring folks, you see iCIMS acquiring, you see obviously LinkedIn, the 800 pound But instead of buying them the iCIMS and the Jobvites of the world, you're partnering with them.

come on and we talk about integrations with ATSs, you know, names like Greenhouse, Smart Recruiters, iCIMS StepStone acquires Cameo, Modern Hire acquires Sonru, Outmatch acquires Launch Pad. iCIMS, Easy Recruit You are not trying to go after the big iCIMS of the world and try to get into their long list of integrations

next decade, the partnership floundered, I guess that's fair to say, being passed up by the likes of iCIMS I think it's fair to say that the new generation of these, of these platforms, whether it be iCIMS, Jobvite Joel (27m 52s): Well, if okay, so we have iCIMS and ZipRecruiter, allegedly primed to go public. If you know, ZipRecruiter and iCIMS do go public, I think you will see a flood most likely because they're

And then iCIMS talked about a passport way back in the day, and it's just like we have these great ideas

Chad (19m 31s): And this is going to force the hands of the iCIMS of the world, who have no core programmatic I think iCIMS is probably going to go first and then you're going to see Jobvite, Smart Recruiters, maybe As we talk about Pando getting sucked out of the market, it makes it much easier for the iCIMS of the

So, iCIMS has also a grandiose vision of creating profiles on the Blockchain passport, right? Now, iCIMS is a different scenario. We have a fantastic and very deep close relationship with iSIMS.

The Little Mermaid comes out this month, and Chad and I were lucky enough at iCIMS to meet an influencer That there's validation, not just because of Jamyr getting acquired, but we saw iCIMS buy Altru, right

Chad (18m 18s): I would think that a company like Greenhouse, like iCIMS with the acquisition of opening.io So at first glance, I thought it was a lot like iCIMS buying Text Recruit, right? So in that case was iCIMS bringing text recruiting SMS to their platform.

picture is like, is, is this going to spur, you know, talent.com, who's rumored to be going public, or iCIMS Chad (26m 18s): I think iCIMS is going there. No matter what. Joel (26m 20s): Yeah. iCIMS is more in that Workday bubble then ZipRecruiter is like post jobs. Chad (31m 30s): Well, and remember, we were hearing companies, I, we were just talking about, iCIMS talk

New CEO Steve Lucas takes the iCIMS reigns in February and in May, iCIMS acquires opening.io. seeing a bunch of smaller, nimble companies being zapped up by these organizations who are like an iCIMS

Joel: Our boy Colin Day at iCIMS, would you call it scathing? Revealing? Chad: Yeah, if Al and Colin and all of the team over at iCIMS can help their clients Joel: Fortunately for iCIMS, I mean, they're doing a lot of the work for the companies I mean, the data that goes in is what the company does, but at least iCIMS, is working really closely

noise, but trying to get those SMBs per se is going to be a hell of a lot harder than just going to an iCIMS We're probably not going to be partnering with Workday tomorrow or iCIMS and some of these large mega

If you listen to our podcast and a lot of you do, you know that we were at iCIMS, a few weeks ago. His so, in all fairness, Ed's take on this is, it's iCIMS, that is the middle man, they're getting crushed And it's the ATSs like iCIMS, that are sort of stuck in the middle. Joel: Any iCIMS users in the audience? Joel: iCIMS wins, okay.

especially JazzHR, Jobvite, because keeping Jazz and Jobvite, siloed will guard against what happened to iCIMS Both of those died. iCIMS small business died.

Joel: But we still have iCIMS- Chad: Yeah, iCIMS. Chad: We have to talk to iCIMS about that when we're out there in a couple of weeks Joel: Sure. iCIMS, Jobvite. We need to tell Amen to get on that as well.

We're seeing iCIMS making a lot of acquisitions. They just bought Jibe, TextRecruit before that. We still integrate with all of the major enterprise applicant tracking systems we're partner of iCIMS

While most HR tech providers rely on companies like iCIMS, Bullhorn, Greenhouse and others, some solutions We have iCIMS coming up, we're under contract with them.

That he wore on stage was the new one with the iCIMS event. Yeah. Keynote stage with iCIMS. He's wearing a Chad and Cheese t-shirt.

strong partnerships with the HCMS and the ATS is we're currently the only internal mobility tool in the iCIMS gaining a foothold within the next 18 months or so with core integrations to talent platforms like iCIMS

Chad: So, aren't the ICIMs and the Jobvites of the world trying to And so, if you just create a tech marketplace like ICIMs has, which I love ICIMs by the way.

back to this executive discussion because there's a startup by the guys that started Jibe, sold to iCIMS

depends on the hiring manager and you know, how involved it they want to be, but that's all done through iCIMS And we continue to invest in things like iCIMS Video Suite and video tools, because we do see an uptick

picture is like, is this going to spur, you know, talent.com, who's rumored to be going public, or iCIMS I think iCIMS is going there. No matter what. Yeah. For 2022, look for iCIMS to go public, which we'll certainly be watching as well. What can I say?

the practical way to actually use their platform, but let's say for instance, like TextRecruit and iCIMS We were actually at iCIMS Influence, and one of the clients of TextRecruit was actually showing TextRecruit Yeah, well, and it's forcing all these companies, now, and again, going back to the iCIMS Neither did iCIMS.

Acquisition with newly acquired Adam Gordon over at CandidateID and M and A bad boy Mike Wilczak from iCIMS And when you see Candidate ID get acquired by iCIMs, it's like, we need to get a bigger boat or at least

And then you take a look at iCIMS, Workday, Lever, Greenhouse from a core talent platform standpoint. And if you take a look at it, this is very, very close to the CandidateID in iCIMS, CandidateID, you're

system side of the house PageUp at PageUpPeople.com, they just bought Clinch.io or Clinchtalent.com, iCIMS You had iCIMS do something similar. So you had iCIMs with text recruit.

director and friend of the show, Adam Gordon, has also founded Candidate.ID, which was acquired by iCIMS

as a layer in, and you have either an expert, which is a 1099, or if you're big enough, if you're an iCIMS

I also like when you layer in the fact that Altru was acquired by an iCIMS for $60 million, Job Pixel Chad (30m 30s): All they have to do is point at what iCIMS did and start to prospectively targets acquirers

And by the way, the iCIMS acquisition of CandidateID almost made my top list for 2022. sfx (10m 8s):

I remember talking to iCIMS three years ago and they were going to have like an iCIMS passport where

Joel: Shout outs, Collin at ICIMS, I want to say back to back years Chad: Yeah, he's killing it. iCIMS like 13 years in a row, like Inc hey, we really believe Google is going to go straight to the applicant tracking systems, and I know iCIMS

I don't know if anyone heard last week's show but iCIMS, as part of their Media Analyst Day, is offering Joel: We both agreed Jobvite and iCIMS have a history of buying up cool technologies So that's probably out of iCIM's and Jobvite's shopping cart. Chad: Possibly.

Chad (14m 1s): Did I hear iCIMS? Joel (14m 3s): iCIMS, Jobvite, Smart Recruiters, maybe. Yeah.

Well also, I was actually watching one of the iCIMS videos of some of their newer releases. And we've seen over the years, last couple of decades to be quite Frank with companies like iCIMS and

On on the influencer stage with Chad cheese iCIMs and November. going to play golf in Scottsdale probably before that and then enjoying some time with our peeps at ICMs Joel: Yeah, a lot of changes at iCIMs.

Joel: Colin Day, iCIMS. We're seeing companies like Jobvite and iCIMS try to be a second layer for an all-encompassing platform They're buying companies like Canvas for Messaging and Talemetry and RolePoint, and TextRecruit for iCIMS