And all the context to that, you know, we've talked, we're, we're close with iCIMS and I've talked to

Also in shout-outs for me, Colin Day, CEO and founder and chairman over at iCIMS. Shout-out to him.

So, recent news, TextRecruit was gobbled up by iCIMS a year or two ago.

scheduling, like, and let's agree that a lot of companies and a lot of platforms, whether they be, you know, iCIMS

ICIMS buying text recruits, canvas, Jobvite, these things happen.

I see that you are engaged with great people iCIMS, Jobvite, Greenhouse.

organizations that are out there to make it faster, quicker, cheaper, and then take a look at what iCIMS

And then as you go further upstream you have iCIMS, Workday, Faststream, Taleo.

Chad (18m 30s): Market validation. iCIMS planted their video flag in the ground with two separate acquisitions

Joel: So we had Josh Wright, Chief Economist at iCIMS on the show not too long

foreseeable future Text recruit will be able to integrate with Jobvite, you'll be integrating with iCIMS

Chad: Kenexa, iCIMS. PeopleFluent. Sam: Yeah, absolutely.

build everything, especially again, when you're a startup, even when you're a big organization, like a iCIMS

Chad: We're going to be in Arizona in November for ICIMS Influence. Joel: Feels a lot like techs recruit integrated with ISIMS or Canvas integrating If you're a text recruiting solution, don't worry about integrating with Jobvite or ISIMS

As for the mainstream ones, it's Taleo, SmartRecruiters, iCIMS, Greenhouse, Lever, and a coupe of others

Joel: Including, from what I saw, iCIMS, so we're gonna go visit them soon.

It's funny, I forget who it was, I think it may have been an iCIMS poll actually that I read recently

So you don't need a CRM if you've got an iCIMS or if you've got a Smart Recruiters, you just don't need

So we've seen this with iCIMS as well with their acquisition of easier crew.

to be quite Frank it's just another smart move to check the global box when selling to enterprise. iCIMS

So nobody's done this well, remember Taleo had business edition, iCIMS jumped into the SMB pool at one

Chad (2m 32s): Halloween came early to the Sowash house in the form of an iCIMS goody box. Hahah.

from my perspective, this is the battle of the platforms, just like Jobvite is buying up companies and iCIMS

You've got Greenhouse, you've got Jobvite and you got iCIMS and then you have the bigger boys above that

The courage is going to flow. iCIMS is going to go at some point, who knows Smart Recruiters.

The ex CEO Chad (20m 49s): Of opening.io who was acquired by iCIMS.

here's the quote "StepStone acquires Cameo, Modern Hire acquires SonRu, Outmatch acquires Launchpad, iCIMS

start my shout-outs because, first and foremost Colin Day, CEO, founder, chairman extraordinaire of iCIMS

I know Susan Vitale at iCims has talked about this before.

openness, he was great as the keynote and we're interested to see what's next for him, as he cashes on iCims

We'll probably see a similar cash out that they enjoyed when ICIMS bought TextRecruit, but good for XOR

Interviewed him for the show, he has been a friend of the show for a long time, acquired by ICIMS

Then we're going to iCIMS's Influence in November in Scottsdale, Talent Net in December in Dallas.

We did Hire Comp in New York, TAtech in Vegas, ISIMS brought us out for their influence conference. So ICIMS got a bunch of cash. TextRecruit got a bunch of cash. ZipRecruiter got a bunch of cash.

And for companies like iCims ... So iCims is using the Google search for jobs. Joel: Yup, iCims and Early Doctor, Career Builder, ZipRecruiter...

So whether you seen an iCIMS where they've got a hub strategy where they partner with companies to actually

Joel: Yeah, and we're interviewing ICIMS about a whole bunch of data here this

But we did get iCIMS spending cash for text recruit.

You had iCIMS, or Taleo, or Workday, or whatever you had. "Blah-blah-blah is a great tool.

We know that iCIMS, and there are other applicant tracking systems, I would assume, that are out there

I guess the ICEMS meeting, was that the last time? Yeah. Edison. Yeah. exact number. on January 1st of 2025, thanks to a constitutional Chad (27:23.023) probably the last ISIMS Yeah, the last ISIMS meeting. I mean, don't go there often, but you know, if I am, it's generally a good ISIMS meeting.

And we looked at iSIMS. Chad: Steve Lucas at iSIMS. I mean, that was fucking, that was... The new iSIMS CEO, the new HireVue CEO, these are companies that should be prime for IPOs.

Let's just take a look at one applicant tracking system by itself isims for instance, right? So isims has thousands of customers. systems break shit when they when they do maintenance We also know that every single one of those those isims

So that's iSIMS in 2022. Really loved my, I was there for nearly a year, loved my time in iSIMS and started a new company recently

By the way, ICEMS launching a co-pilot this week at UNLEASH. [laughter] Dude, it was like, okay, so it was funny and we love ICEMS.

You never see like I clicked on a white paper download for iSims and now I start seeing all of iSims

They went from ISIMs to smart recruiters to greenhouse to lever. Chad (21:09.745) Boats and hoes. Joel Cheesman (22:00.534) And iSIMS is down 8 % over the last two years. Ashby only has about 300 employees compared to smart recruiters at 720 and iSIMS at 1218.

And then on the iSim's front. On the ISIMS front, mean, major leadership changes, CEO, CPO, and CTO. the next week or two. this is, I think, just the start of the arranging of the furniture in the new iSim's

James Appleton: For us in terms of who we might see ourselves against, it might be iSIMS, it might be

You and I have been around long enough to know when iSims was cool then, job. Cheesman (19:25.323) Smart recruiters has raised $225 million, Greenhouse raised $110 million, and iSIMS