Adam Godson , CEO of Paradox: Hopefully, he'll explain what a paradox is without causing one. Adam Godson, CEO, and Jessica Rush, Chief Talent Officer over at Paradox, talking about recruitment with And we've really been operating like that for a while now, a paradox on our talent acquisition team. see if we can integrate their open API systems into the current system that we're utilizing, which is Paradox

Our second prediction for next year, Paradox, another great success story. Talk about acquisition. We're gonna predict a multi-billion dollar acquisition of Paradox in 2025. I mean, I am big on Paradox. So take our comments with that however you want, but yes, we we're not faking our love for Paradox.

If you take a look at companies like, like the talk pushes and the paradox and whatnot. I mean, they're at risk of getting, I guess, Coca -Cola'd by Paradox and other conversational AI players But I think one of the things is you get a company like Paradox who literally is leading the charge. This could be a much cheaper option than a paradox. Who knows? more expensive, maybe a little bit more valuable, or maybe they're taking a real, taking real aim at paradox

Joel Cheesman (19:34.839) They did caught they did talk about Paradox and Sauna in the earnings report And you and I are fairly close to Paradox and have a pretty good idea of that their business was pretty Joel Cheesman (20:04.023) Paradox and paradox is adding X amount to the bottom line. So they can say, hey, our AI revenue is part of paradox.

We're going to be at Paradox Client board. Chad: Yeah, people at Paradox. Number five, David Stiefel of Paradox. Number six, last year's champion Deena Perro.

Paradox acquired by Workday. Joel Cheesman (32:35.182) Spitball it, man. Spitball it. We talked about smart recruiters telling a great story, paradox telling a great story. Joel Cheesman (33:41.23) Wait a minute, Workday about paradox? I hadn't heard. Paradox. The Chad (43:07.161) Yes. Who's going to, who's going to be Maya and who's going to be paradox.

Who's going to have the best brand, the most trusted brand, the best pricing, like you like paradox is Paradox, Fountain, Smart Recruiters, Gem, and many others are coming for you. Paradox was, paradox was founded almost 10 years ago and we're, and iCIMS drops a chat bot press release They learned it from employers. remember in 2016 when Adam Gonson, who's now the CEO of a paradox, he

Beamery, JobCase, and Paradox, some show faves. Chad, your take on the news out of Workday. And within that bullet point, they mentioned Paradox by name. So hello, acquisition of Paradox. I think they need something like a Paradox. have a worse, more rigid piece of shit platform to work with, which is one of the reasons why I think Paradox

To save the business, Meghan snuck Paradox's automation tech past her terrified legal team by calling So, the first thing that we did was we introduced Paradox. Meghan Rhatigan: Yeah, so our second step, umm, was actually introducing a new CRM, umm, provided by Paradox

. acquires Danish Applicant Tracking System, Emply Recruiter.com consummates a deal with Scouted.io Paradox Joel (39s): On this week's show Paradox goes visual, Paychecks goes where no payroll service should ever Let's take a quick break and we'll talk some more video with Paradox. Chad (22m 42s): And that is what Paradox did. So a Paradox is one to look out for, for sure.

Paradox, another great sponsor, shoutout to them for hooking us up for that. We mentioned Paradox. A few other thank yous I wanted to mention. Joel: Plum I said, Paradox, obviously. Shoutout to Rich Wilson, our friend at Gigged.AI. The old veterans, the Paradoxes, the iCIMS... Chad: Oh, they know. Oh, they know.

Instead, Aaron decided to launch a little company called Paradox in 2016. Paradox became what it was. I think he really grew as a person. the power in the hands of other people. stepped down as CEO and he was rewarded for all of this as Paradox in 2025, they seem to start giving a shit with the acquisition of flow wise, uh, for agent creation paradox

Remember, Maya Systems, Allyo, and Paradox. On the other hand, Paradox, friend of the show, went on to win big deals, receive over $250 million in Other than the sale price, what was the difference between Maya, Allyo, and Paradox? were all over the board, opening up TAM too fast, chasing revenues from everyone, everywhere, while Paradox mean, look, the humanly, we like those guys, but this is not, it's not workday buying, you know, sauna paradox

While we see the organizations like a paradox that is the sort of quicker, efficient, more hiring, they're So a lot of these companies that we've actually talked to will have a fountain or a paradox or or smart We know, we saw what Paradox did in Macire for McDonald's for the scheduling of organizations, but now

We have Paradox that's the apex predator in the space. They need to go really focused, otherwise they're gonna get gobbled up by a Paradox, a Veritone, somebody Chad: So we talk about Paradox and how they are moving toward the ATS realm, right? Joel: Yep. are out there so that they can start to prospectively try to keep up with the new hot, sexy of the Paradoxes Chad: So last Saturday here in Vienna, a reported 250,000 people marched in the biggest pride parade

James Appleton: For us in terms of who we might see ourselves against, it might be iSIMS, it might be Paradox Very similar from a Paradox point of view and Olivia, we have Carrie, and what we can do there, and lots

Madeline Laurano: Well, I always love Paradox. Every time I hear more Paradox examples, I get excited.

Christ, I'm heading back to the US because on the 20th through the 21st, Joe and I are going to be at Paradox's This is not workday buying paradox. This is a clearance rack sale. Now, Anhills founder is a PhD. And as we talked about Paradox and Workday and Smart Recruiters and SAP and actually sitting down with

So I get a little birdie told me not fully fledged out yet, but a little birdie told me that Paradox's assessment platform, Tradify, is being acquired, which is interesting because obviously Paradox acquired Chad Sowash (23:46.15) Tradify was already underneath that paradox umbrella. Also why paradox timing was great in a selling to work day.

You know the seekouts of the world or the paradoxes of the world basically recreating what it means to Whatever all the kind of the paradoxes this world who take over all of the modern candidate experience Vendors or the isvs the likes of paradox the likes of higher view I don't think the danger lies for them Do they absorb the lights of paradox.

Paradox is Traitify, which uses visual shit and apparently works, I think is a much better technology Joel: I mean, if you want something simple, go with a Traitify or Paradox. HireVue, Willow, VidCruiter, Vervoe, Paradox, Spark Hire, Wedge, Hire Fix, Indeed, TestGorilla, BrightHair

The classic one is Paradox in our space over the last five, eight years has blown up. You said Paradox and obviously some of the others. Would that be a part of it?

Okay, well companies like paradox hire industry veterans like Adam Godson and Paradox was acquired by Tradeify acquired by paradox. Why didn't, why didn't work day one tradeify as part of the deal? Chad Sowash (39:41.508) Paradox is running a skunkworks to some extent inside a workday.

And so when we look at the research out there, this is what is known as the diversity paradox. So that's known as the diversity paradox. It's not always guaranteed. Luther, we're seeing a parade of companies abandon DEI publicly, but we're seeing some bright spots.

start putting the puzzle pieces together there, we'll, we'll talk about this later, but you've got Paradox and Symphony buying, you know SmashFly and if we're looking at predictions for next year, you know, Paradox Like I said symphony SmashFly a paradox chat bot. Yeah. And connect the dots. Yeah. And I think that it, I think it speaks highly of paradox who, let's face it, JZ probably could've gone And to pick paradox, I think, you know, speaks highly of them.

Why did Workday pick up Paradox? Why are these big systems doing that? Why did Workday pick up Paradox? Why are these big systems doing that? And from a paradox standpoint, and also we heard this from smart recruiters, Alain over at Smart Recruiters So as iCIMS sees Paradox go to Workday, SmartRecruiters go to SAP. They see two major potential...

Now Chad, you remember '21 and '22, we had a parade of unicorns, tons of them. Paradox is not getting acquired in '24. Chad: Now, Paradox doesn't want to get acquired. Chad: The ones that are kicking ass and taking names, Deal, Paradox, they don't want to be acquired.

Chad, is it time to start talking about Workstream in the same breath as Paradox? Chad (17m 50s): Yes, because Paradox is actually moving that way. So yes, watching Paradox do this, watching Workstream and we're gonna be talking about it a little bit has come in, and chat bots and it's really evolved into what it is now with the Workstreams and the Paradoxes I think this is like the Paradox, the Talkpush, and again, Talkpush more of a global player.

Like it is just a parade of aging wrinkled rock stars that are coming to town here in Indianapolis. Do you think iSIMs, eightfold, phenom, paradox, any ideas? Joel Cheesman (22:29.71) I got to think that SAP called paradox. They called eightfold. Joel Cheesman (24:53.836) Fountain is an ATS, Paradox is an ATS.

It's not an ATS buying paradox or like to to similar. as possible with the potential buyer of your service as possible. we knew from our relationship with Paradox

Then Paradox was always an AI house. Paradox acquired, smart recruiters acquired, right? prepared to compete in the new world of AI. don't think it's a, I don't think it's a, an accident that paradox

That's a very paradox recession, I would say. We will have slight downs turn in their economy.

You look at the value of a company like Paradox and then the incredible work that they're doing inside Thom Kenney: And try to say, Oh, well, I'm just gonna create a Paradox replacement with ChatGPT. Chad: Well, that being said, let me throw this out there, 'cause Paradox is one thing.

went to do some research and I went to go look at their career section and they are interestingly a paradox So I was like, all right, paradox. All right, paradox.

You're not, you're not a, you're not a paradox. Olivia splat bot fan. That's not really a Paradox/Olivia issue though. Is it that's more of a process? The company? Peter (8m 11s): But you would expect the tech vendor when it's using its own tech to be a Paragon of Chad (8m 21s): So what you're saying is Paradox actually doing the hiring themselves. And that's a real paradox, isn't it? Chad (8m 41s): It is a real paradox. It really is.

We've seen Fountain who they have about 220 million in funding and Paradox has over 250 million in funding You mentioned Fountain and Paradox. So I think this is, you know, if, if Paradox and Fountain are looking to be Coke, Pepsi, I mean I think

Swapping shifts, pardon me, and doing these kinds of substitutions. So let's talk about some of the threats and maybe even competitors in the market because we see the paradoxes Can you build the army to go against from the upside, the paradoxed, the fountains, but then also the

I never took one because they give us an Uber credit here at the Paradox event, which is very generous We're here now at the Paradox event. have our last event of 2024.

Hey, create, you know, if I'm a chat bot, if I'm paradox, this probably concerns me a little bit unless So as you talked about, like chatbots with Paradox. Paradox already has a huge set headstart because of all the secret sauce that they have developed, right

And then the new age applicant tracking systems, which are more of the paradoxes, the fountains, you recruitment platform, hiring without the hassle. mean, you look like a rippling competitor, Chad mentioned paradox

I mean, I go from HR tech and seeing the triple wide booth of Paradox to a single stall with very little I like Paradox. Great organization from what they do.

Joel Cheesman (20:28.39) It feels very paradox when you look at demos of what Indeed is building. Very chatty, very, although paradox, it's still a person using the chat bot and indeed's world. think

Does that count Phenom, Paradox, Chatter? Those all have integrations. They feel like it's more like the paradox, the gem, the fountain. mean, all of those systems that allow

) are galloping in, with one suggesting ZipRecruiter go private or sell out, while another whispers Paradox I was talking to an executive, late last year. and he said to me, the greatest threat to indeed was paradox Um, there's an apex predator in this space, uh, called paradox.

So sprockets to me feel it. feels like a poor man's paradox, chat bot sort of same things, but then they're integrated with paradox.

And why that's important is because if you start to integrate chat into, much like we see with Paradox So we may come out of the end of this and say like, Veritone is right there with Paradox and whatever

as whether or not you believe retention is the new recruiting or promote from within happens to be a paradox

Whether it's Paradox, Wade and Wendy, you name it. out there, is this gonna make it super easy for someone to create a chatbot that will compete with Paradox

if they can take a look at like again, bigger companies like the work days of the world, looking at Paradox Hello, Paradox. Chad, is SAS so back? Or is this a temporary head fake?

38.475) Been getting so excited about Workday because of all of the acquisitions they've been making, Paradox All these cool companies that they've acquired over the years, the paradoxes, all of that is over if There's a parade that's not on this thing. This is gonna be a much quicker way.