All Our Rowdy Friends


What would you do after conferencing all day?

Well we met Abby Cheesman, Katrina Kibben and Dawn Burke in a bar, grabbed some drinks and set up the mics to talk about SHRM Talent, the industry and the WTF moments we deal with everyday in the Recruiting Industry.

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Intro: When we were at SHRM Talent in Nashville, we found a bar, some rowdy friends and some microphones. Check it out.

Announcer: Hide your kids. Lock your doors. You're listening to HR's most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are here to punch the recruiting industry right where it hurts. Complete with breaking news, brash opinions and loads of snark. Buckle up, boys and girls. It's time for the Chad and Cheese Podcast.

Joel: Welcome to the post-show, all nickname edition of the Chad and Cheese podcast. I'm Joel Cheeseman.

Chad: I'm Chad Sowash.

Joel: And we're gonna go around the table. Introduce everyone. This is sort of a star-studded cast of drinkers that we have at the table.

Chad: At this bar.

Joel: Reliving the days events and we thought it'd be fun to turn on the mics. And just talk about takeaways, highlights and whatnot. So, I'm going to start with the other Cheeseman at the table.

Chad: You're so biased.

Joel: I am. Abby introduce yourself for those who don't know and what you do and then pass the mic to Kibbles over here.

Abby: My name is Abby Cheeseman. No relation to Joel Cheeseman, although [crosstalk 00:01:17]

Joel: Thank god.[crosstalk 00:01:18]

Abby: I'm trying to crash his family reunion this summer and he's not having it.

Joel: She's showing up.

Katrina: It has to happen.

Abby: I'm comin'. We're all comin'.

Chad: You should.

Katrina: You are a Cheeseman. [crosstalk 00:01:25]

Joel: All Cheeseman are welcome. If you're out there listening. This is like a version of I am Legend. Cheesemans, if you're out there. [crosstalk 00:01:25]

Abby: So, calling Cheesmans. [crosstalk 00:01:25]

Katrina: Are there a lot of Cheesmans?[crosstalk 00:01:25]

Joel: Show up to the family reunion.

Abby: We think so. Indiana 2019.

Joel: 2019.

Abby: I'm Abby Cheesman, I'm co-founder at Skill Scout, where we make awesome workplace videos.

Chad: Awesome workpace videos. Place.

Katrina: I think they're better than awesome. But yeah, I'll give it to you.

Katrina: So, I'm Katrina Kibben, I'm the founder and CEO of Three Ears Media and I accidentally told Joel Cheesman my high school nickname, so now that's why he just announced me as Kibbles.

Abby: You're Kibbles?[crosstalk 00:02:06]

Chad: Kibbles. [crosstalk 00:02:06]

Joel: Kibbles. [crosstalk 00:02:06]

Katrina: That was my very unfortunate high school nickname.

Abby: Hey, I would lean into the pain. Lean into the pain.

Chad: Start using it yourself, then other people won't.

Joel: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Abby: I like it.

Dawn: Hi, I'm Dawn Burke. My nickname is Bits.

Chad: Bits?

Joel: It is now, anyway.

Katrina: Well, I'm Kibble and she's Bits. Kibble and Bits, baby.

Joel: I actually like that, yes.

Dawn: Yeah, you know. Kibbles and Bits. So many thoughts, so little time. No, I'm Dawn Burke. I am the founder of Dawn Burke HR. HR consultancy, really help people understand the modern worker. How do we create recruiting and retention strategies for those folks? And also, of work with Katrina Kibben over at Three Ears Media.

Joel: The Kibbles over there. Three Ears Media.

Dawn: Oh my god. That totally works. You are Kibbles from now on, lady. Yeah, so that's what we do.

Joel: Dawn, let’s start with you. You presented and you've done the Smart Stage. So, what was your topic of interest?

Dawn: Well, I'll tell you what's really interesting. First of all, there's one person who's thrilled that I spoke here today. And that's my mother because now somebody's called me smart. She's been waiting for that for a very long time.

Chad: Wait a minute, we were...

Joel: Were you not hugged enough as a child?[ Like were you not called smart by your parents?

Chad: We were also on the Smart Stage and I think that's stretching things.

Joel: It was the ironic stage. The irony. The thick irony stage.

Dawn: The Smart Stage. I might call it the Smart-ish Stage.

Chad: We might go with that. The Smart Ass Stage.

Joel: That's good. I like that.

Dawn: Actually, let’s do a little set. I'm brilliant. I made a 24 on my ACT. Thank you, very much.

Abby: I don't remember what I made.