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When AI Needs Humans with Sonja Breuer
Can AI make hiring more human? In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman sit down with Sonja Breuer (SVP of HR at Hamra Enterprises). Sonja reveals how conversational AI cut their hiring time from 13 days to 4 across 200+ Wendy’s, Panera, and Noodles & Company locations, slashed job ad spending, reduced ghosting, and freed up managers.
Chad Sowash
13 hours ago


ZipRecruiter Financial Gymnastics
Catch the latest on the Chad and Cheese podcast! Chad shares a hilarious beach fail, while Emi explores how GLP-1 weight loss drugs impact workplace "skinny privilege". The hosts break down Q2 earnings for Indeed and ZipRecruiter, debate MetaView's acquisition of Revel in Buy or Sell, examine AI assessment audits with the Job Doctor, and discuss the nostalgic comeback of MySpace.
Chad Sowash
5 days ago


Ageism, Algo-Bias, and Corp Naughtiness w/ Cassell Kaye
HR’s most dangerous duo, Joel and Chad, welcome 20-year corporate vet Cassell K (Amazon, Disney) to expose workplace ugly truths. They tackle the 2-million "ghost job" gap, systemic ageism pushing 50+ workers out, and why clicking "opt out" on AI hiring algorithms is resume suicide. Tune in before an ATS filters this episode out!
Chad Sowash
Aug 11


90 Days Hired, They Stay a Year w/ Jolene Hostal
HR Director Jolene Hostal joins Chad & Cheese to reveal how Stanley Steemer recruits 2,500+ workers yearly. Using Paradox’s chatbot "Maria," applicants apply in under 90 seconds. With Dayforce integration and in-van tablets for field tech support, she highlights the 90-day retention milestone and why 73% of managers started on the trucks. Plus, a surprise delivery of custom swag!
Chad Sowash
Aug 4


LinkedIn Sloppin, Google's No Click AI Poppin', & OpenAI's Jail Breakin'
LinkedIn is drowning in AI slop and sexy bot profiles, while Google’s zero-click Gemini overviews tank referral traffic by 40%. Meanwhile, OpenAI’s autonomous bots are reportedly plotting cage escapes in Sam Altman’s "singularity" era. The gang breaks down corporate greed, dying SEO, and unchecked tech run amok.
Chad Sowash
Jul 31


Startup Nightmares w/ Kristy McCann
HR tech meets corporate thriller on The Chad & Cheese Podcast! Joel & Chad sit down with Kristy McCann, former CEO of Skill Cycle, who got ambushed by her VC, forced to eat airport Burger King after an 8-hour interrogation, and had her $30M startup smashed to $8M. Her response? A 50-page RICO lawsuit. Don't mess with HR!
Chad Sowash
Jul 28


Hiring Became Our Edge w/ Kristen Reilly
How do you hire 3,000 seasonal coaches in just 6 weeks? Kristen Reilly, SVP of Talent at Elevo Learning, joins Chad & Cheese to share her team's incredible tech turnaround. By replacing manual grunt work with conversational AI, Elevo flipped their Day 1 staffing from 34% to 96% and sent recruiter happiness from a 16 to a 68 EMPS. Stream "Hiring Became Our Edge" now!
Chad Sowash
Jul 7


Ageism in Tech: Dan Lyons on ‘Disrupted,’ Silicon Valley & Toxic Culture
Dan Lyons, journalist and writer for HBO’s Silicon Valley, joined a tech startup at 52 and quickly discovered he was "ancient" in an industry worshiping youth. Facing blatant ageism, Dan delivers hilarious, brutal truths. Author of Lab Rats, he breaks down toxic work culture, burnout, and why companies treat employees like disposable kids. An eye-opening look at whether experience still has value.
Joel Cheesman
Jul 3


The Snapchat & Anthropic Hype Machines
Cup Chaos: Portugal wakes up while England ties. Chad hates corporate hydration breaks.
Tech Fails: Snapchat's $2K glasses are a $3B boat anchor. Anthropic hypes AI like a superweapon.
The New Malls: Data centers are being overbuilt just like 80s malls.
Ghost Hunting: NY bans fake ghost jobs.
Wild Perks: Emi got a blow-up doll; Chad hit a strip club with his religious boss.
Chad Sowash
Jun 26


Startup Debate: Skills-Based Hiring w/ Maya Huber & Phuong Vu
Resumes are dead, and AI makes it too easy to fake skills on paper. In this episode, Chad Sowash hosts a debate on the future of hiring:
Phuong Vu (Telexa) argues for "skills-first" models focused on human adaptability and real evidence.
Dr. Maya Huber (TaTiO) says ditch applications entirely have candidates try out the job via live simulations first. Listen now.
Chad Sowash
Jun 23


Indeed's AI Bias Machine
HR’s most dangerous podcast is back! Chad, JT, and Lieven tackle Indeed’s new AI sourcing assistant, exposing it as a compliance clusterfuck that invents its own hiring rules. Plus, a massive Stanford study proves job seekers are being blacklisted across competing firms by broken assessment algorithms. Finally, they talk $2/hr robot trainers and Zuck’s corporate pizza party fixes. Listen and subscribe!
Chad Sowash
Jun 19


Indeed Goes For The Kill
This week on HR’s most dangerous podcast, Chad, Mo, and Lieven tackle Indeed’s sneaky play to squeeze out recruiting agencies , an age-bias lawsuit putting IBM in hot water , and the fraudulent "job slop" infiltrating ChatGPT’s new search tool. Plus, Meta forces staff to train the AI meant to replace them. Tune in for big tech drama, corporate dystopia, and an awful binary dad joke. Listen at chadcheese.com!
Chad Sowash
Jun 12


Marriott Hiring: 2 Weeks to 3 Days w/ Meghan Rhatigan
Chad & Joel grill Marriott’s Meghan Rhatigan on hiring 200k global workers. Trapped with a "fat funnel" and hiring managers taking 2 weeks to schedule interviews, Meghan snuck Paradox past legal by calling it "automation" instead of AI. Process dropped to 3 days! Plus, she’s weaponized a 5M candidate CRM and shaded peers stuck crying, "But we have Workday..." We out.
Chad Sowash
Jun 9


Job Slop by Google & OpenAI
The Chad & Cheese Show Notes: Joel-Free June! Chad holds down the fort with Emi Beredugo & JT O'Donnell. This week: Stepstone boots its CEO, JobGet buys Ripple Match, & George Larocque warns that standalone point solutions are dead. Plus, Julie exposes the Job.com grift, Zuck docks his superyacht post-layoffs, OpenAI Job Slop & an AI accent fail. Catch us at Recfest! Free swag at chadandcheese.com/free. We out!
Chad Sowash
Jun 5


AI Answered 1.8m Questions w/ Patti Tabris
Patti Tabris of ResultsCX joins Chad and Cheese to reveal how AI transformed their global hiring. By deploying "Olivia," an AI assistant that answered 1.8M questions, she boosted assessment completion from 30% to 90%. Learn how she cut application times to under 6 minutes and automated 100,000 interviews to let recruiters focus on the human side of the job.
Chad Sowash
May 26


Ace Hardware: Differentiate or Die
Ace Hardware’s Stef Nikitas and Kaleigh Burns join Chad & Cheese to reveal "Project Hurricane," the overhaul that scaled their TA budget from $500k to $4M. Learn how "Grace," their AI bot, automates scheduling so recruiters can focus on being human. From 2-minute apps to surviving a 10-day tech blackout , see how a 100-year-old brand wins the talent war.
Chad Sowash
May 19


iCIMS Shuffles, Phenom Splurges, & Greenhouse Gets Fashionable
Is iCIMS facing a final fire sale? Chad and Joel break down the "CFO takeover" and Phenom's latest "psychobabble" acquisition. Plus, Greenhouse buys Ezra AI to "look fashionable," and J.T. O'Donnell reveals LinkedIn's $450M AI secret. "Who’d You Rather" returns with a birthday showdown! HR’s most dangerous podcast is back.
Chad Sowash
May 8


Personio Stays Home
Personio hit Q1 2026 profit but lacked transparency, choosing a "stay home" move over a "go big" moment. Tech giants are firing staff to fund AI. The UK outpaces the US in healthcare and leave. Palantir faces ethical backlash , Nomad Health pivots to software , and LinkedIn gets a new CEO to survive AI.
Chad Sowash
May 1


Bots Gone Wild
Joel and JT break down the seismic shifts rocking the industry, from a massive restructuring wave hitting giants like Meta, Disney, and Snap to the high-profile leadership exits at JobCase, SeekOut and Bots!
Joel Cheesman
Apr 24


Data Wars with Rebecca Car
In this episode of Mallorca Talks, Chad Sowash and SmartRecruiters CEO Rebecca Carr discuss AI's future. Carr argues that corporate ego, not tech, hinders innovation by creating "walled gardens". With 120 SAP engineers, they are building an ecosystem where Slack, WhatsApp, and AI agents collaborate to free humans from admin bloat and unlock creativity.
Chad Sowash
Apr 21


Radical Transparency w/ Allyn Bailey
Stop pretending your 2012-era ATS works. Recruiting is being rewritten, and the "Candidate Black Hole" is finally closing. Allyn Bailey and Chad Sowash break down why static resumes are dead and why radical transparency—from salary to real-time scoring—is the new reality. AI isn't just a tool; it’s redistributing power. If you’re still hoarding data instead of connecting it, you’ve already lost.
Chad Sowash
Apr 14


Grayscale Evolves & BLS Lies?
This week, Chad and JT expose the "Two Weeks" mirage. The BLS jobs report looks like a boom, but it’s just striking workers and melting snow. Paylocity buys Grayscale to join the AI agent arms race , while Clasp steals Uncle Sam’s 1916 playbook to fix healthcare. Plus, Jack Dorsey wants to kill middle management with machine-readable "artifacts". We out!
Chad Sowash
Apr 10


Mercor Hack - Findem Smack
HR’s most dangerous podcast is back! We dive into Mercor’s 4TB data breach and the Senate’s probe into Findem’s 418k opt-out requests. Is AI killing capitalism or just LinkedIn’s live streams? From Melania’s teacher bots to Chad’s new tattoo and Emi’s "genetic blessings," we’re stripping it all down. Listen now!
Chad Sowash
Apr 3


Recruiting Rewired w/ Shiran Yaroslavsky
Can AI finally kill HR friction? Chad Sowash talks with Shiran Yaroslavsky on the shift from complex dashboards to agentic workflows. Shiran breaks down "agent orchestration," waking up idle talent databases, and why AI auditing is non-negotiable for trust. From TikTok outreach to slashing ATS migration from months to weeks, learn how Shiran is architecting the future of hiring.
Chad Sowash
Mar 31
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