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SignalLabs + BrassRing = Signals of Attention
Chad and Joel sit down with Signal Labs CEO Raj Ronanki to figure out why a shiny new AI startup just bought Brass Ring a 25-year-old HR tech dinosaur. Between Star Trek references, "systems of attention" buzzwords, and a vision of hiring AI bots alongside humans, Raj attempts to explain how an ancient software relic is somehow the key to the future of work.
Chad Sowash
3 days ago


Walmart Slumps, Workday Jumps, and Indeed Marketing Chumps
The boys dissect HR tech's dumpster fire: Workday’s scary private equity buyout, Google’s AI throwing top candidates into the trash, and Walmart employees babysitting task-lists that put frozen peas in carts first. "AI is like a puppy. It's gonna piss on the floor... and the puppy's still pissing on the couch." – Joel Cheesman. Plus, Indeed targets sports fans because Google search traffic died.
Chad Sowash
7 days ago


When AI Needs Humans with Sonja Breuer
Can AI make hiring more human? In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman sit down with Sonja Breuer (SVP of HR at Hamra Enterprises). Sonja reveals how conversational AI cut their hiring time from 13 days to 4 across 200+ Wendy’s, Panera, and Noodles & Company locations, slashed job ad spending, reduced ghosting, and freed up managers.
Chad Sowash
Aug 18


ZipRecruiter Financial Gymnastics
Catch the latest on the Chad and Cheese podcast! Chad shares a hilarious beach fail, while Emi explores how GLP-1 weight loss drugs impact workplace "skinny privilege". The hosts break down Q2 earnings for Indeed and ZipRecruiter, debate MetaView's acquisition of Revel in Buy or Sell, examine AI assessment audits with the Job Doctor, and discuss the nostalgic comeback of MySpace.
Chad Sowash
Aug 14


Ageism, Algo-Bias, and Corp Naughtiness w/ Cassell Kaye
HR’s most dangerous duo, Joel and Chad, welcome 20-year corporate vet Cassell K (Amazon, Disney) to expose workplace ugly truths. They tackle the 2-million "ghost job" gap, systemic ageism pushing 50+ workers out, and why clicking "opt out" on AI hiring algorithms is resume suicide. Tune in before an ATS filters this episode out!
Chad Sowash
Aug 11


Indeed Pauses, Fiverr Falls & Rippling Ransacks
The latest episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast with Emi and Lieven is officially live, and it is a certified must-watch. In this episode, the crew dives straight into a massive legal showdown brewing in the tech world.
Joel Cheesman
Aug 7


90 Days Hired, They Stay a Year w/ Jolene Hostal
HR Director Jolene Hostal joins Chad & Cheese to reveal how Stanley Steemer recruits 2,500+ workers yearly. Using Paradox’s chatbot "Maria," applicants apply in under 90 seconds. With Dayforce integration and in-van tablets for field tech support, she highlights the 90-day retention milestone and why 73% of managers started on the trucks. Plus, a surprise delivery of custom swag!
Chad Sowash
Aug 4


LinkedIn Sloppin, Google's No Click AI Poppin', & OpenAI's Jail Breakin'
LinkedIn is drowning in AI slop and sexy bot profiles, while Google’s zero-click Gemini overviews tank referral traffic by 40%. Meanwhile, OpenAI’s autonomous bots are reportedly plotting cage escapes in Sam Altman’s "singularity" era. The gang breaks down corporate greed, dying SEO, and unchecked tech run amok.
Chad Sowash
Jul 31


Startup Nightmares w/ Kristy McCann
HR tech meets corporate thriller on The Chad & Cheese Podcast! Joel & Chad sit down with Kristy McCann, former CEO of Skill Cycle, who got ambushed by her VC, forced to eat airport Burger King after an 8-hour interrogation, and had her $30M startup smashed to $8M. Her response? A 50-page RICO lawsuit. Don't mess with HR!
Chad Sowash
Jul 28


Indeed Terms, LinkedIn Ghosts, & Google Pitchforks
Taco Bell survivors, low-T troops, and AI dystopia. welcome to The Chad & Cheese Podcast! This week, the boys break down Signal Labs digging up 1999 ATS dinosaur Brass Ring, a predatory startup charging desperate job seekers 20% of their pay, Indeed’s privacy-killing new T&Cs, Texas taking on LinkedIn’s "ghost jobs," and Googlers demanding layoff prenups. Tune in now for unfiltered HR commentary and awful dad jokes!
Chad Sowash
Jul 24


AI Takes The Boring Part w/ Adam Godson
The Chad & Cheese Podcast hits the hot seat with Adam Godson, Workday’s TA General Manager. They strip down the Paradox acquisition, the impending "SAS Apocalypse," and how autonomous AI agents are turning clunky ATS platforms into basic digital filing cabinets. The takeaway? Legacy tech is dying, recruitment pricing is shifting to results, and real human connection is king.
Chad Sowash
Jul 20


Indeed Cautionary Tales
Chad and Joel reunite to dissect recruitment tech’s chaotic push toward automation. They dive into flawed employer metrics, Indeed’s algorithmic shifts, pre-apply AI risks, and the return of career sites. In an industry rushing to "move fast and break things," Chad warns: "Just because you can doesn't mean you should... the first ones that get there are the ones with arrows in their face."
Chad Sowash
Jul 17


Hire Fast or Lose w/ Josh Secrest
Abercrombie meets Big Macs as Chad & Cheese roast Paradox’s Josh Secrest over frontline hiring.
Speed Wins: Average hiring takes 16 days; tech does it in 3.5. Candidates apply to 25 jobs at once fastest text back wins.
Stop Burning Money: If a hire quits before the 31-day break-even point, you paid for them to leave.
Free the Managers: Stop wasting 12 hours a week on interview trivia.
Chad Sowash
Jul 14


Korn Ferry Swallows AMS, Handshake Grabs Uplimit
Korn Ferry just swallowed up RPO powerhouse AMS, while early-career network Handshake acquired AI-skilling platform Uplimit.
Joel Cheesman
Jul 10


Hiring Became Our Edge w/ Kristen Reilly
How do you hire 3,000 seasonal coaches in just 6 weeks? Kristen Reilly, SVP of Talent at Elevo Learning, joins Chad & Cheese to share her team's incredible tech turnaround. By replacing manual grunt work with conversational AI, Elevo flipped their Day 1 staffing from 34% to 96% and sent recruiter happiness from a 16 to a 68 EMPS. Stream "Hiring Became Our Edge" now!
Chad Sowash
Jul 7


Ageism in Tech: Dan Lyons on ‘Disrupted,’ Silicon Valley & Toxic Culture
Dan Lyons, journalist and writer for HBO’s Silicon Valley, joined a tech startup at 52 and quickly discovered he was "ancient" in an industry worshiping youth. Facing blatant ageism, Dan delivers hilarious, brutal truths. Author of Lab Rats, he breaks down toxic work culture, burnout, and why companies treat employees like disposable kids. An eye-opening look at whether experience still has value.
Joel Cheesman
Jul 3


Your Best Hire Already Left w/ Gustavo Serbia
Chad and Joel sit down with Gustavo Serbia, CHRO at Hair Cuttery Family of Brands. Managing 6,000 stylists is a high-drama, hyper-competitive game. Discover how they used Paradox to smash hiring times from 17 days down to 3 , gamified commissions with a custom app , and harnessed AI to build instant funnel analyses.
Tune in to the AI series now! We out!
Chad Sowash
Jun 30


The Snapchat & Anthropic Hype Machines
Cup Chaos: Portugal wakes up while England ties. Chad hates corporate hydration breaks.
Tech Fails: Snapchat's $2K glasses are a $3B boat anchor. Anthropic hypes AI like a superweapon.
The New Malls: Data centers are being overbuilt just like 80s malls.
Ghost Hunting: NY bans fake ghost jobs.
Wild Perks: Emi got a blow-up doll; Chad hit a strip club with his religious boss.
Chad Sowash
Jun 26


Startup Debate: Skills-Based Hiring w/ Maya Huber & Phuong Vu
Resumes are dead, and AI makes it too easy to fake skills on paper. In this episode, Chad Sowash hosts a debate on the future of hiring:
Phuong Vu (Telexa) argues for "skills-first" models focused on human adaptability and real evidence.
Dr. Maya Huber (TaTiO) says ditch applications entirely have candidates try out the job via live simulations first. Listen now.
Chad Sowash
Jun 23


Indeed's AI Bias Machine
HR’s most dangerous podcast is back! Chad, JT, and Lieven tackle Indeed’s new AI sourcing assistant, exposing it as a compliance clusterfuck that invents its own hiring rules. Plus, a massive Stanford study proves job seekers are being blacklisted across competing firms by broken assessment algorithms. Finally, they talk $2/hr robot trainers and Zuck’s corporate pizza party fixes. Listen and subscribe!
Chad Sowash
Jun 19


Busting Drug Cartels w/ Jack McFarland Former DEA
High-stakes HR meets the DEA! 32-year veteran Jack McFarland talks about recruiting "Muppets" and mercenary informants, surviving 30-page typed applications, and his wild audition for The Traitors. Plus, a look at mandatory retirement at 57 and corporate ageism. It’s HR sprinkled with coke, crack, and grass. Listen now!
Chad Sowash
Jun 16


Indeed Goes For The Kill
This week on HR’s most dangerous podcast, Chad, Mo, and Lieven tackle Indeed’s sneaky play to squeeze out recruiting agencies , an age-bias lawsuit putting IBM in hot water , and the fraudulent "job slop" infiltrating ChatGPT’s new search tool. Plus, Meta forces staff to train the AI meant to replace them. Tune in for big tech drama, corporate dystopia, and an awful binary dad joke. Listen at chadcheese.com!
Chad Sowash
Jun 12


Marriott Hiring: 2 Weeks to 3 Days w/ Meghan Rhatigan
Chad & Joel grill Marriott’s Meghan Rhatigan on hiring 200k global workers. Trapped with a "fat funnel" and hiring managers taking 2 weeks to schedule interviews, Meghan snuck Paradox past legal by calling it "automation" instead of AI. Process dropped to 3 days! Plus, she’s weaponized a 5M candidate CRM and shaded peers stuck crying, "But we have Workday..." We out.
Chad Sowash
Jun 9


Job Slop by Google & OpenAI
The Chad & Cheese Show Notes: Joel-Free June! Chad holds down the fort with Emi Beredugo & JT O'Donnell. This week: Stepstone boots its CEO, JobGet buys Ripple Match, & George Larocque warns that standalone point solutions are dead. Plus, Julie exposes the Job.com grift, Zuck docks his superyacht post-layoffs, OpenAI Job Slop & an AI accent fail. Catch us at Recfest! Free swag at chadandcheese.com/free. We out!
Chad Sowash
Jun 5
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