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The hottest podcast in Human Resources, Talent Acquisition, and Talent Management.



Becoming Choosable w/ James Ellis
Employer branding is broken and James Ellis is here to fix it. In this episode, we torch “spray & pray” applications, call out ATS robots, and explain why pretty career sites don’t make you choosable. If you think talent is interchangeable, you’re already losing. Snark included. Egos? Not safe.
Chad Sowash
14 hours ago


Indeed Smart Screen Dumps
Indeed’s “smart” screening hits turbulence — launches, pullbacks, and black-box scoring raising eyebrows. The boys unpack the mess, plus LinkedIn’s comedy pivot, Google monetizing Jobs, Phenom’s AI shopping spree, and white-collar extinction hype. Innovation… or chaos?
Chad Sowash
5 days ago


Unfolding the Eightfold Lawsuit
Bots “enriching hiring and society”? Sure, if by scraping your data, guessing your personality, and ghosting you with a smiley match score. Chad & Cheese break down the Eightfold lawsuit with attorney Rachel Dempsey, unpacking AI black boxes, FCRA risk, and why “ethical AI” might be the biggest buzzword in recruiting.
Chad Sowash
Feb 17


Indeed's Pricing Black Box
Recruit kicks things off by squeezing employers with Indeed’s black-box pricing just as the market tightens. Then it’s pure chaos: HR tech shakeups, AI hype rattling SaaS, bots invading job search, and lawsuits circling hiring platforms. Toss in Super Bowl ad shade and job-market anxiety… and yeah, things get spicy fast.
Chad Sowash
Feb 13


Talent's Big Reckoning w/ Quincy Valencia
The “Big Reckoning” is coming. AI is speeding up hiring—but also exposing every broken process, silo, and fake “collaboration” in talent orgs. Execs spent the money and now want real results, not pretty dashboards. When better talent doesn’t show up, leaders—not the tech—take the hit. Robots move faster… outcomes stay mediocre. Buckle up.
Chad Sowash
Feb 10


Rippling Aims for Super Bowl Win
The duo dives deep into Rippling’s bold Super Bowl debut featuring Tim Robinson, debating whether the "evil genius" move is a brilliant recruitment play or a calculated nod to Wall Street. While Microsoft celebrates a massive LinkedIn revenue milestone.
Joel Cheesman
Feb 6


Are Job Boards Solving the Hiring Problem?
Are job boards fixing hiring or just selling more clicks? 🤔 Chad & Cheese welcome Lou Goodman (*Job Board Revolution*) and Jobiqo CEO Martin Lenz to torch volume-based hiring, “quality vs. qualified,” broken ATSs, AI agents, and the future of job boards. Are they evolving… or quietly dying?
Chad Sowash
Feb 3


Eightfold Gets Served
AI finally does what it does best: gets companies sued. This week, Eightfold gets served over secret AI scores and “responsible AI” that doesn’t feel very legal. Randstad says everything’s great while 40% of workers grab second jobs. Davos CEOs predict job losses, preach adaptation, and pass the mess to government. Trust is broken. Reality is optional. Buckle up.
Chad Sowash
Jan 30


Stop Blaming AI w/ Allie Kelly
Is AI really killing white-collar jobs or is that just the excuse?
The Chad & Cheese sit down with Allie Kelly of Business Insider to break down layoffs, hiring freezes, disappearing entry-level roles, and why interest rates, tariffs, and Fed policy, not robots, are doing the real damage. If you’ve been told "AI did it," this episode hits different.
Chad Sowash
Jan 27


Phenom Shops, OpenAI Jobs, & Boomband Launches
Euro Chad is back and HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast is firing on all cylinders.
This week, Chad & Cheese tear into OpenAI chasing ads and $500K salaries, Phenom shopping for AI relevance, Meta quietly ghosting the Metaverse, and Jeff Taylor re-entering the job board arena. Add Delta’s $1.3B profit-sharing flex, Canada’s political mic drop, and AI skepticism galore. Buckle up.
Chad Sowash
Jan 23


Monster in the Making: Jeff Taylor, Big Bets and Next Boom
Jeff Taylor helped invent job boards… then watched them break. From DJ booths to Monster, Super Bowl ads ranked “worst ever,” missed billions, dodging LinkedIn regrets, getting humbled by Zuckerberg, and surviving Ray Dalio’s corporate Fight Club. Jeff’s back with BoomBand to fix resumes, job postings, and hiring itself. Again. 🎤
Chad Sowash
Jan 20


Indeed Combats Hot Resume Injections
The gang covers Indeed, LinkedIn, Artisan and ChatGPT news.
Joel Cheesman
Jan 16


Human Renaissance with Jim Kukral
AI didn’t kill creativity — it buried it under AI slop. Jim Kukral joins Chad & Cheese to rip into Coke’s AI ads, the coming “Chipotle Effect,” and why humanity’s last unfair advantage is being human. Jim even quit his job to throw wild, screen-free boat parties on Lake Erie. Are we headed for a Human Renaissance… or trapped in our digital cages?
Chad Sowash
Jan 13


2026 Predictions Show
It’s prediction season — and chaos season. Chad, Cheese, and Lieven review how wrong (and occasionally right) 2025 predictions were, then unleash bold 2026 calls: AI eating jobs, agencies bleeding out, Indeed tightening control, robots going physical, and authenticity getting faker than ever. Predictions are never wrong… they just haven’t happened yet.
Chad Sowash
Jan 9


Marketing's Blind Spot with Zoom's CMO Kim Storin
Chad & Joel go deep with Kim Storin, CMO of Zoom, on brand, AI, and why marketing lost its soul chasing MQLs. Challenger mindset, Bowen Yang, human-in-the-loop AI, CFO wrangling, and why trust beats demand gen. If you think marketing, recruiting, and employer brand are separate… this episode will hurt (in a good way).
Chad Sowash
Jan 6


2025 Wrap-Up Show
2025 didn’t just rattle HR. Nope, it ripped the curtain down and set it on fire. Job boards hoarded hiring data, HR tech rivals flirted with espionage, PE bled legacy platforms dry, and founders played chess while workers paid. Add AI ghosting resumes, Slack DMs as evidence, LinkedIn as a minefield, and recruiters stuck in the blast zone. Pass the popcorn. 🍿
Chad Sowash
Jan 2


Does LinkedIn Hate Women? w/ Martyn Redstone
LinkedIn claims its algorithm is neutral—but is it? In this episode, the boys sit down with AI-in-HR governance expert Martyn Redstone to unpack a viral experiment exposing proxy bias that quietly suppresses women’s voices. No explicit discrimination, just algorithms reinforcing inequality. If you work in HR, tech, or live on LinkedIn, this episode will change how you see your feed.
Chad Sowash
Dec 30, 2025


2025 Holiday Show
The Chad & Cheese Holiday Show is a greatest-hits remix of 2025’s smartest, spiciest hiring conversations. AI hype, fake applicants, job boards losing power, smarter recruiting, and leaders who actually tell the truth. One episode. All the chaos. Press play and start 2026 smarter.
Chad Sowash
Dec 26, 2025


Naughty & Nice 2025
Chad, Cheese, and Mo drop their 2025 Naughty & Nice lists. Praising leaders who owned their messes and roasting companies that face-planted hard. From Amazon’s brutal layoffs and SHRM’s courtroom fail to HR tech espionage, ColdplayGate, bourbon giveaways, and dad jokes HR would ban this episode pulls zero punches.
Chad Sowash
Dec 19, 2025


5 Questions Before Buying w/ Alexis Meschi
On this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, Joel & Chad sit down with Ora Marketing co-founder Alexis Meschi to torch bad AI buying habits, lazy LinkedIn “thought leadership,” and tools that kill workflow instead of revenue. A sharp checklist for recruiters who want results—not AI sugar highs.
Chad Sowash
Dec 16, 2025


LinkedIn's Trust Tree
LinkedIn verifies 100M profiles, Findem straps 800 niche job boards to an AI rocket, and Walmart proves paying people actually works. Meanwhile, UKG and CultureAmp drop holiday layoffs, JT declares job boards dead, Chad compares TA to NFL QB chaos, and Joel brings back the Three Wise Cocks bourbon giveaway. Hide your kids—Chad & Cheese is back.
Chad Sowash
Dec 12, 2025


You're Doing AI Wrong w/ Charlene Li
Charlene Li joins Chad & Cheese to roast why 95% of AI pilots fail, why CEOs treat AI like a shiny toy, and how HR can finally grab a real seat at the table. From “shadow AI” to “speed is the new moat,” this episode packs insights, chaos, and Taco Bell–level danger. Tune in or get left behind.
Chad Sowash
Dec 9, 2025


VONQ Goes Hollywood & Indeed Builds a Death Star
VONQ drops a Hollywood-style launch, Indeed builds even higher walls, Instagram forces RTO, and Australia boots kids off social media. Plus unions and staffing unite against AI, Home Depot protest caroling, and peak holiday chaos. Buckle up — Chad, JT, and Lieven are on fire this week.
Chad Sowash
Dec 5, 2025


ICE ICE Baby w/ Desiree Throckmorton
The Chad & Cheese dive into the rising storm of I-9 compliance with OutSolve’s Desiree Throckmorton. With ICE’s $170B budget surge and 15,000 inspections coming in 2026, sloppy I-9s can mean fines up to $27K per violation. Remote checks, wrong docs, missing fields—everything’s fair game. Add skyrocketing H-1B fees and recent raids, and Desiree warns: audit now, centralize records, and get ICE-ready or get burned.
Chad Sowash
Dec 2, 2025
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