Boundless in Europe

Lieven has given up on Futbol everybody.

Nevertheless, grab your Italian football jersey and enjoy a Guinness, 'cause this Euro show has your name written all over it.

The boys welcome Boundless founder Dee Coakley, a Dubliner, to the show to talk about her company's recent round of funding, as well as chime in on all of this week's topics.

In addition:

  • Hungary is starving for immigrant workers,

  • Iceland is changing the game when it comes to workforce well-being, testing a 4-day work week, but what does that mean for the rest of Europe (and the world)?

  • Lastly, France is putting a chokehold on Google and Big Tech's inability to play nicely with the country's media properties. Is it a tax Google just pays, or will they really help save journalism? And what European companies pile on next? Gotta listen.

Grab a couple Guinness, this is gonna take a minute :)


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Chad & Cheese Does Europe Intro (6s):

`Some podcasts, do it for the fun. Some do it for the fame, Chad and Cheese they do it for global effin domination. That's why bringing America to its knees was just the beginning. Now they have their eyes set on conquering Europe and they've drafted industry veteran Lieven Van Nieuwenhuyze of Belgium to help them navigate the old country and bring HR's most dangerous podcast across the pond to trash-talk like never before. Not safe for work in any language. The Chad and Cheese podcast does Europe.

Joel (39s):

Oh yeah. There's a big sale on Italian football jerseys at the local outlet mall. That'll meet you there at noon. You were listening to the Chad and Cheese podcast does Europe. I'm your cohost, Joel, "how do you say choke in English" Cheeseman.

Chad (53s):

And I'm Chad "Italy wins" Sowash.

Lieven (56s):

I'm still just Lieven

Dee (58s):

And I guess that makes me Dee Coakley?

Joel (1m 1s):

On this episode, startup Boundless finds a little goal at the end of the rainbow. Hungary is starving for workers. You guys see what I did there? and Google fights, France. Who you got on that one everybody? I don't know.

SFX (1m 16s):

Europe has a bunch of countries in it.

Joel (1m 18s):

Who is that mystery woman in our intro?

Dee (1m 21s):

It's me!

Chad (1m 22s):

Must be Dee so Dee Coakley. Correct? Right. That's how?

Dee (1m 28s):

You've got it right.

Joel (1m 29s):

She sounds on Irish. Do you know Bono?

Dee (1m 32s):

I used to work with his brother. Dublin is that small. True story. Me and my co-founder used to work with his brother.

Joel (1m 42s):

So you've met him.

Dee (1m 43s):

I haven't met him. No.

Joel (1m 44s):

Oh, well that sucks.

Dee (1m 46s):

But I, yeah. I mean, people always joke about Ireland and how small it is and do we all really know each other, but we're all pretty connected as, so my name is Dee I'm co-founder and CEO of Boundless. This is a global employment platform. So I'm here to talk about Europe. Yeah and employment and HR and how all of that is looking in Europe these days.

Chad (2m 8s):

So you heard all of the UEFA Euro 2020 talk. How was it sitting back in Ireland and watch all this happening and knowing that you guys weren't even a part of it?

Joel (2m 19s):

You're all rooting for England. Right?

Dee (2m 23s):

So, you know, I feel really small right now because I actually watched the final. I have no interest in sports of any kind whatsoever. I am never in a position to participate in any conversation about sport. But when the final was on, I thought to myself, you know, everybody's talking about this, they're all going to talk about it tomorrow. I'll have it on, in the background. So I did actually watch the final. And it was, I mean, it wasn't the best football ever but money game that goes to penalties is pretty exciting in Ireland. It's something that should be part of our ancient history.

Dee (3m 4s):

Yeah. We will always root for whoever is playing England. We have a close affinity with the Italians. We were really happy to see them win.

Joel (3m 13s):

You said you liked the shootout?

Dee (3m 15s):


Joel (3m 15s):

I can't stand the shootout.

Dee (3m 17s):

It's exciting.

Joel (3m 19s):

Do you like it, Chad? I feel like it's a European thing.

Chad (3m 21s):

No, I love it. I think, I think it's awesome. I hate anything that ends in a tie number one. Number two, you just played, you know, two halves and then you had to, you know, shortened halves. I mean, it's like, get this thing over with.

Joel (3m 37s):

Can I give my solution and you guys can tell me?

Chad (3m 39s):

No, you just want them to play till they die.

Joel (3m 43s):

I haven't, I have a new one. I have a new, and that was my initial thing. I've got a new one now. I'm compromising. I think the shootout should be replaced with 15 minutes of no goalies and just let the score run out, make it like basketball with feet and see what happens.

Dee (4m 1s):

But like how five-year-olds play soccer.

Joel (4m 3s):

Come on. That's not awful. It's not awful.

Chad (4m 6s):

That literally is awful. So Lieven. I've got, got to hear from you because Belgium and Italy, that was a hell of a match. Did you watch that match number one and then did you watch the final?

Lieven (4m 18s):

I don't like soccer anymore. I don't talk about it from now on. I will only talk Tour de France from now on some Belgium guy whose name I forgot won the ride.

Chad (4m 32s):

Oh, Jesus was England's path too easy. I mean, really Denmark was their hardest opponent in the entire tournament. Italy got beaten up by Belgium and Spain and it just seems like they were more ready in that final.

Lieven (4m 49s):

Hmm. I don't like soccer anymore. Did I mention? Today.

Chad (4m 55s):

Moving on. Okay. So, so here's a question for you then Lieven. Is this going to be the worst Olympics ever or what?

Joel (5m 2s):

What's Belgium's best chance at a gold medal?

Lieven (5m 6s):

That's actually a good question. We used to have some decent swimmers, but that's way behind us now. I think judo. How do you call it?

Chad (5m 15s):

Judo. Yeah. Judo.

Joel (5m 16s):

If only brewing beer was a competition, you guys would win the goal every time.

Lieven (5m 21s):

We would take the gold.

Chad (5m 22s):

Like cheating. That's like cheating robots. You Dee what's your favorite Olympic sport?

Dee (5m 27s):

My favorite Olympic sport. I like the track games. This is how much I'm into sports. Track games, the running I like running. Yeah. I did go. I lived in London in 2012, so I went for the Paralympics and watch some of the field and track and it was super cool. Yeah. I had been considering maybe making a trip to Tokyo to catch some of the Olympics, but never got around to booking it and evidently I wouldn't have made it anyhow.

Chad (5m 58s):

Yeah, no.

Dee (5m 59s):

Some future Olympics.

Joel (6m 0s):

Isn't skateboarding the first time it's going to be featured in the Olympics.

Lieven (6m 5s):

Tony Hawk will still be winning.

Joel (6m 8s):

He's a little up there in age. I don't know if you can do some of the things he used to.

Chad (6m 13s):

Mid fifties. Yeah. He's Mid fifties.

Lieven (6m 15s):

He's mid-fifties. Yeah, but he's still Cool. He was my hero when I was young.

Chad (6m 20s):

Oh yeah. He's pretty, pretty amazing. What's your favorite one? Joel. What's your favorite sport in the Olympics?

Joel (6m 25s):

I tend to be a person guy. So if Michael Phelps is swimming, I liked the swimming best. You know, if we have a track stud, I don't know a track is usually pretty good too. Shit. I go with the flow, man. If gymnastics is hot, great. I mean, basketball's kind of boring cause we usually run over everybody. I'll go with, I'll go with track and field as well.

Chad (6m 48s):

Okay. Yeah. I don't think we're going to run over everybody this year in basketball, by the way. Have you seen how we've been playing?

Joel (6m 54s):

Yeah, we are.

Chad (6m 55s):

I'm going to just say sprinting, whether it's in the pool or on the track. I the fastest in the world. I love watching that. So that's, that's what I'm going to go with. Sprinting.

Joel (7m 6s):

Does Ireland have a basketball team? Dee do you know?

Dee (7m 9s):

Basketball is really popular here.

Joel (7m 10s):

Do they have a team In the Olympics?

Dee (7m 12s):

I mean, I guess so? I'm pretty sure. Yeah. It's big here. It's a big school sports here, much more so than in the UK. It's been big since the eighties.

Joel (7m 22s):

I'm going to keep my eye on the Irish basketball team.

Dee (7m 25s):

We are in not a patch on the Serbians. We're not a very tall nation.

Lieven (7m 31s):

For the first time e-sports will be an official part of the Olympics. Digital competitive gaming.

Joel (7m 37s):

Oh, maybe that's what's making its introduction this year. E-gaming.

Lieven (7m 43s):

Yeah. Yeah. But it's official part. Yeah.

Chad (7m 45s):

You don't have to go to Tokyo for that too. Yeah. I mean, you could do that online anywhere.

Dee (7m 50s):

Maybe they'll all be e-sports after this year.

Joel (7m 53s):

The amount of money in that shit is insane.

Lieven (7m 56s):

Yeah. Good. You're going to sponsor some teams so.

Joel (7m 59s):

Going bigger is VR.

Chad (8m 3s):

Have to fit it into every fucking show. Don't ya?

Joel (8m 6s):

I do. I do.

Chad (8m 7s):

Okay. So big shout out. I'm going to throw a shout out to the Rec Fest crew. They actually had Rec Fest this week in Dreamland, not in London. It was like on the outskirts of London. So a big, big shout out to them. And I've got a question for, for Lieven. This week Lieven we saw that Google came out with some new guidelines for Google for Jobs. Did you see those?

Lieven (8m 33s):

Hardly? I was on holiday. I wasn't Crete.

Chad (8m 36s):

That's right.

Lieven (8m 39s):

I saw something passing by and I thought, damn, I have to look into this. Once I finished swimming and then I forgot about it.

Joel (8m 47s):

And the guy was served on having a flood for God's sakes. Give him a break.

Chad (8m 51s):

What's the difference between Americans and Europeans? He actually enjoys his fucking vacations. Good job. Good job. I love that.

Joel (8m 58s):

Speaking of that, let me give a shout out to you for giving a shit about global warming slash climate change. I get in trouble when I say global warming. In light of the floods. In light of our Western part of the country, still toasting and burning through crazy ass temperatures. Europe is a shining beacon of a country and continent, a series of countries and a continent that mostly gives a shit about climate change. And I'm curious from our, from our European guests, what they think of when they look at America and climate change, do they think like we don't give a shit? Do they think we do care? Doing something? I'm curious about a European perspective on climate change and what we're doing about it?

Dee (9m 39s):

I think it's interesting that you perceive that Europeans care or that Europe as a block cares. I think it's varying degrees. I think most governments don't and haven't cared anywhere near as much as they should. I mean, certainly here in Ireland and I lived in the UK for years. It's never been as much of a voting issue as it should be, which then implies the public. Maybe really don't care as much as they should. I don't know. I think a lot of European governments are like governments everywhere else. They give it lip service. They do the minimum that they need to do, but they're just not aggressive enough.

Joel (10m 21s):

When you see the US you think, oh, they're just like us. They're just, they don't care like we don't.

Dee (10m 26s):

Don't see a huge Gulf between the U S and Europe. And I think in the U S like in most European countries, there are definitely some European countries like Northern European countries, Scandinavian countries, where I think the general public care a lot more, they take on more individual responsibility, but I think it's isolated to a relatively small number of countries and the rest of the European countries are probably pretty much like the US.

Lieven (10m 51s):

There is kind of changed. I can talk about us. I guess you are a great pretenders. And, but yeah, and Europe at the same feeling about Europe, but now it's changing. Governments actually are doing something like in 2025, you'll have to have an electric car in Belgium. So if you don't have an electric car, you won't be able to put it away from our taxes, our what's it called in English. It's a cost. And if it's not an electric one, you won't be able to bring it in as a cost anymore. So suddenly all those companies will have to change to electric cars. And almost everyone has a company car here. So this will cost a lot of money and we don't have the resources to get everyone the electricity they need I feel.

Joel (11m 34s):

Wait a minute. Everyone there has a company car? Say more about that.

Lieven (11m 37s):

Yeah, almost everyone here.

Joel (11m 40s):

Wait woah, woah, woah.

Lieven (11m 43s):

You don't have in the US?

Joel (11m 44s):

We do, but I would never say most people drive a company car.

Lieven (11m 49s):

But okay. Not most people probably if you're um.

Joel (11m 52s):

If you're a knowledge worker, you have a company car?

Lieven (11m 54s):


Joel (11m 55s):


Lieven (11m 56s):

White collar, you'll have a company car. If you're a blue collar, you'll sometimes have a company car.

Joel (12m 3s):

This is the most revulatory thing that we'll be selling this podcast. Everyone in Europe has a company car.

Chad (12m 8s):

I love it!

Dee (12m 9s):

Not the case under the UK. No, definitely not. We're all on our bikes.

Joel (12m 16s):

Because you're conscious about the environment. We're driving cars as big as the island of Ireland in our state. Should we get the topics?

Chad (12m 28s):


Joel (12m 31s):

All right. This is for our guests. Remote working tech startup Boundless has raised 2.5 million euros in state funding announced, I think last week, the company lets employers hire workers from abroad while being fully and in compliance with all tax employment and regulatory laws. Boundless is funding comes as some large companies begin allowing workers to live abroad. Last month Facebook said that a portion of its Irish staff could live in the UK and seven other EU countries from next year elsewhere. Companies are complaining about the difficulty of getting staff because many potential workers returned to their home countries during the pandemic. Sounds like the right company at the right time luckily we have co-founder Dee Coakley on the show to explain further.

Joel (13m 18s):

Dee tell us more.

Dee (13m 20s):

Yeah. So I founded Boundless two years ago. I started to working on the idea about two and a half years ago. I had been a COO with B2B SAAS companies for many years. And I had dealt with this challenge of workers requesting moves overseas or discovering talent, people that were based in other countries. And I have been through the excruciating task of getting set up for employment and payroll in a total of eight different countries. And it was a nightmare. It was a complete pain in the ass. It doesn't make any sense. Every other COO I talked to was doing the same thing.

Dee (14m 2s):

Everyone was tearing their hair out and having arguments with their CTOs about how long it was taking. And I thought, okay, there has to be a better way of doing this, and that's how Boundless came about. ,

Chad (14m 13s):

So I got to say, this is coming off of news last week, that another startup that helps firms, employe people in different countries, remote, they actually received $150 million in funding, and that sent them to unicorn status. So not only are you seeing validation from the market in giving you seed funding, but you're also seeing the prospect of other platforms becoming unicorns. What does that actually say to you other than we're in the right slot? What do you have to do to amplify and become something the size of a Remote?

Dee (14m 55s):