Difference > Equality



Men and women have different brains. That's the case author Kate Lanz, author of "All the Brains in the Business: The Engendered Brain in the 21st Century Organisation (The Neuroscience of Business)," says. Let's discuss.


The boys and their meathead melons do their best to understand all the knowledge this brilliant lady is droppin' on this must-listen episode.


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Intro (29s):

Hide your kids! Lock the doors! You're listening to HRS most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are here to punch the recruiting industry, right where it hurts! Complete with breaking news, brash opinion and loads of snark, buckle up boys and girls, it's time for the Chad and Cheese podcast.


Joel (48s):

Aw, yeah!


Chad (51s):

Let's go! Alright Cheeseman. How you doing man?


Joel (53s):

Oh man. The world is awesome!


Chad (57s):

Lies! Welcome to the Chad and Cheese Podcast everybody. We're starting out this podcast with pure lies and with Kate Lanz, I say Lanz because she's proper!


Joel (1m 9s):

Lanz. The Queen's English.


Chad (1m 12s):

She is the founder And CEO of Mindbridge and author of the book. Give me a second. I don't want to screw this up...


Joel (1m 18s):

Take a deep breath.


Chad (1m 19s):

... All the Brains in the Business, got to take a second breath, The Engendered Brain in the 21st Century Organization the neuroscience of business. That's right, kids, neuroscience on Chad and Cheese. Check that box.


Joel (1m 34s):

I feel like book titles are the new keyword stuffing for SEO. It's like, let's make that title as long as possible.


Chad (1m 41s):

I love it, but okay, so Kate, that's a little bit about you, give us the deep, dark long walk on the beach in Twitter form. About how about you give us a little bit more about you.


1 (1m 51s):

She's a Sagittarius that enjoys cricket and a cold ale.


Kate (1m 57s):

I'm actually, I'm actually a Virgo, but the ale bit is true. So I spent the first part of my career bootlegging round emerging markets and Guinness was one of the many products that I had the great privilege of not only selling, but also enjoying.


Joel (2m 16s):

Selling Whoa, this, this interview took a different turn.


Chad (2m 19s):

Love it. So right out of the gate, it's no longer a man's world. So why are we asking women to think like men, the Engendered Brain in the 21st century? I think that's the connection that you're trying to make, right?


Kate (2m 33s):

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Very often and it is still the case despite lots of really, really well intentioned and well executed initiatives for diversity and inclusion, still too often, women are kind of expected to be the best men that they can be at work and whilst there are lots of things that our brains have in common. There are some important things that they have in difference and those differences don't get seen as well as they could. And that's what I, that's why I wanted to really bring the neuroscience of brain sex difference to the party.


Joel (3m 6s):

We'll get into the work thing in a second. When I, when I heard we were bringing on the show, I was really curious about your take on the timeliness of the coronavirus and COVID-19 and why countries with women leaders, New Zealand, Germany, come to mind ...


Chad (-):

are kickin ass!


Joel (3m 24s):

... are doing so much better than say, I don't know your leader in our leader.


Kate (3m 30s):

Yeah. Right now, of course, you know, there are many factors that the impact that said, I, I don't think it's purely coincidence that the way some of those women are leading, many of those women are leading is having a good effect. I think that women's brains and bodies are more attuned for collaboration and cooperation and less inclined to kind of silo and compete and grandstand. That that's being very stereotypical so forgive me for that.


Kate (4m 3s):

But I, I do think there's something profound.


Joel (4m 6s):

That's ok, we do that on occasion.


Chad (4m 8s):

Quite often!


Kate (4m 11s):

But there is, there is a difference in the approach that I think has worked better. And the truth of the matter is the coronavirus we can only solve, if we do it together, it's a global pandemic. It's affecting all of us. It's not going to go away anytime soon. So becoming siloed and competing and, and shutting each other out, is just simply not the way forward. And a lot of the women leaders demonstrating good collaboration


Joel (4m 40s):

And, and just like women leading countries, at least in this crisis is a good thing. Are there case studies that you know of with women CEOs that have handled, you know, damage control much better than maybe some of their male counterparts, any success stories of women CEOs out there?


Kate (4m 57s):

Yeah. I mean, there were, there were some wonderful women CEOs in both the States and in the UK, I'm not sure I'd call out anything in terms of sort of crisis management, per se. There are organizations where the organizational design is beginning to be less hierarchical and more organic and emergent with teams that, that form, and then un-form and come together around the tasks. So Driving Agility and GSK for example, a very successful female CEO, Accenture in the States recently, a very powerful, impressive female CEO.


Kate (5m 35s):

And I do just, I just think that, well, I actually think it's important that we come, that things happen in partnership. It's not like men's brains or women's brains are better, but they are designed to compliment each other and too much of what goes on in organizational cultures, suits brains that at the more male Brit and the brain sex spectrum, you know, and by the way, the sex of your brain isn't necessarily the same as the sex of your body. So it's quite a sort of subtle, sophisticated thing.


Chad (6m 8s):

Yeah. Well, okay. So quick question, because from my standpoint, as, as I dove into this and tried to think hard about it, and man, my brain hurts, it seems we really haven't evolved our behaviors from when we were actually surviving in the wild. We only just put on suits and sat in offices. We really focus on that survivability kind of instinct versus being able to really evolve as human beings.


Kate (6m 34s):

Yeah. Bingo, that's it. You said it, you know, our brains really haven't changed much since, since we left the caves and here we all are. And in a very modern, sophisticated environment, which, you know, by the way, our prefrontal cortex has created, but the brain still functions with the ancient limbic brain jumping in first and reacting emotionally to stuff before we can start thinking about it. And that's what gets us into a whole lot of trouble.


Chad (7m 0s):

Okay. So you talk about the emotional piece and there is always the stereotype that women are just too emotional to lead. Why is that something that is put out there and what is actually behind it, for the good or bad?