Stepstone Spins & Kombo Wins
- Chad Sowash
- 2 minutes ago
- 35 min read
Get ready for another episode of the Chad and Cheese podcast, where the only thing more dangerous than the HR takes is Chad’s "toilet seat cocaine" energy. With Joel away on a week-long napping tour, the "ladies"—JT "Let It Snow" O'Donnell and Emi "One Hit Wonder" Beredugo—join Chad to break down why the industry is currently a beautiful, chaotic mess...
Here’s what’s on the menu for this week’s cheese-free feast
Olympics, Medals, Shagging, and Norway's way of "blowing off steam."
The Nantucket Toliet Seat Snow "Report"
Silicon Valley’s "Superstar" Delusion
Who’d You Rather? Kombo or Humand
StepStone’s Big Spin
Grab your Scotch (or your Irish whiskey) and dive into the episode before the tech world decides you’re too "average" to listen.
PODCAST TRASNCRIPTION
Chad Sowash (00:30.843)
Welcome to the Chad and Cheese, HR's most dangerous podcast. I'm Chad, toilet seat cocaine, Sowash.
JT ODonnell (00:39.18)
JT let it snow O'Donnell
Emi Beredugo (00:41.635)
and I'm Emi one hit wonder, Beredugo.
Chad Sowash (00:44.599)
There's something to do about that. And on this week's show, StepStone spins, the US wins, and who'd you rather? Let's do this.
Chad Sowash (00:58.875)
Hello ladies, we're cheese-free this week.
Emi Beredugo (01:01.675)
Yes, we are. Do you think, what's he doing? Is he like, you know, just sunning it up somewhere or?
JT ODonnell (01:03.022)
We are.
Chad Sowash (01:06.385)
Yeah, just he likes to take naps. you know, he's got a whole week of naps planned and this is in his schedule. So therefore we get to be out with that this week.
Emi Beredugo (01:09.526)
No.
JT ODonnell (01:11.702)
I mean, Yeah.
Emi Beredugo (01:13.495)
Yeah.
Emi Beredugo (01:18.293)
Why not? Well, we're missing you, Joel. Think about us when you're napping. Actually, Yeah, that came out a little bit wrong, didn't it? Yeah. well, this is actually a little secret of mine. So back in the day when I used to live in the Middle East, somebody asked me to record a single. And I was like, you know, obviously.
Chad Sowash (01:22.823)
We, yeah, well, I don't want to say that. Anyway, moving on. Moving on. One hit wonder. What does that mean? What does that all about?
Emi Beredugo (01:47.991)
I'm always the performer. So was like, yeah, I could do that. And yeah, I recorded a house track. So I haven't actually got the recording. I need to try and find it. The guy who recorded it is somewhere on Facebook. So I need to reach out to him. But yeah, was hilarious. yeah, something like... Obviously, I sounded better than that, you know, back in the day.
Chad Sowash (02:04.826)
Yes, you do. Yes.
JT ODonnell (02:06.074)
Yeah, we need to hear this.
Chad Sowash (02:16.496)
Sounded, you're giving Donna summer vibes, which I'm totally cool with. You want to totally go with.
JT ODonnell (02:19.31)
you
Emi Beredugo (02:19.668)
Yeah, yeah, No, honestly, it was cool. was cool. So yeah, maybe I'm famous in some kind of European country somewhere, you know.
JT ODonnell (02:27.084)
Right? And there's royalty sitting somewhere that you don't know about. You're about to get a windfall. Yes.
Chad Sowash (02:28.8)
You never know. You never know. Yeah, yeah. In your old Dubai account anyway, pivoting the Winter Olympics kids, they're usually not the US's bag of tricks, but just when you needed something to be positive about in the world, Team USA killed it in 2026. Did you guys watch it?
Emi Beredugo (02:31.132)
Exactly. Exactly. I need to Google this. Absolutely. Exactly.
Emi Beredugo (02:46.294)
Bye.
JT ODonnell (02:56.898)
I did. I watched a bunch. Yeah.
Emi Beredugo (02:57.078)
I didn't, I didn't even watch one. Do you know what it was though? It wasn't my fault. It clashed, no, honestly, because I've only got so much time to watch TV and Love Island UK was on. No, no, no, no, honestly, this is like, no, no, I've watched Traitors already. When Love Island comes on, it's my favorite program. So I was like, listen, I've only got so much time in my week to watch TV. So I had to toss it up, Olympics, Love Island. So Love Island won.
Chad Sowash (03:07.292)
come on. If you would have said traders, I would have went, yeah, no, I get that. Okay, okay.
Chad Sowash (03:21.401)
Mm, yeah.
Chad Sowash (03:25.838)
Okay, okay. about you, Ditty? What stood out for you? Yeah?
Emi Beredugo (03:26.324)
I'm sorry.
JT ODonnell (03:28.352)
Yeah, two things. So first of all, I love how every four years we become obsessed with curling. Like literally America becomes obsessed with curling. We had parties watching curling. Like what is that? We don't care about it for the next three years and 320 days, right? But curling comes along. And then the other big moment I'll tell you is my perfect day Sunday, I was out skiing in perfect no ice.
Emi Beredugo (03:37.11)
Really?
Chad Sowash (03:45.98)
Yeah, yeah.
JT ODonnell (03:57.582)
corduroy, sunny, gorgeous weather. And we skied into our favorite on mountain little like pub. And it was all set up for us all to watch USA beat Canada in the men's hockey finals. Not gonna lie, 12 out of 10 day, right? Like in a pub, everyone's screaming when we won and then, you know, out and about. to me, I think this particular Olympics will always give me that memory. was just awesome.
Emi Beredugo (03:59.19)
you
Chad Sowash (03:59.909)
Nice.
Chad Sowash (04:09.51)
Very nice, yes. dude. Dude. That's, yeah.
Chad Sowash (04:23.75)
So Julie and I, so here in the Algarve, Canadians love to flock the Algarve this time of year. So we had about 50 Canadians and there were about five Americans that were there, right? And we weren't being like dicks, suck it, you know?
JT ODonnell (04:37.294)
Emi Beredugo (04:42.485)
Yeah.
Chad Sowash (04:43.932)
But I got to say, let's hear it for Team USA men's hockey for winning the gold first time since they beat Russia in 1980, right? Miracle on ice. I know. But the Canadians played amazing. They had a hell of a lot more shots on goal. Connor Hellebuyck, who is the goalie for the US, he was like a fucking brick wall. He let one go by. He let one go by.
Emi Beredugo (04:52.278)
Boop boop boop boop boop.
JT ODonnell (04:53.965)
Right? Right? That's what I'm saying.
JT ODonnell (05:10.67)
amazing.
Emi Beredugo (05:11.679)
Wow.
Chad Sowash (05:12.698)
But then the US and overtime, they played three on three and they won. They won. was pretty amazing. But I got to say this. I got to say this. That was just the appetizer because I'm saving the best for last. The US women dominated the medal count with 17 medals, including six gold. Amber Glenn and Alyssa Liu both gave amazing skates, which
JT ODonnell (05:14.958)
It's so good. Yeah. Yeah.
Emi Beredugo (05:35.282)
amazing.
Chad Sowash (05:41.969)
were fucking clinics on how to perform and just have a great time. Alyssa Liu, she skated to Donna Summer. And I've got to say, I don't think there's any genre of music other than maybe reggae, any genre of music that makes you feel more happy than disco. Right. So it was was amazing. the then the US women's hockey team, they actually they were dominant in winning gold.
JT ODonnell (05:44.43)
Amazing. Amazing.
Emi Beredugo (06:01.169)
Yeah.
Chad Sowash (06:11.616)
...and not in the gold medal match per se, because they played really tight with, Canada, but they went for a seven and record and they outscored opponents 33 to two throughout the entire comp at 33 to two. So it was, it was pretty amazing, but I really think, and I'm not just like a huge winter Olympics fan, but,
JT ODonnell (06:14.126)
They were so good. you
Emi Beredugo (06:28.812)
my god.
Chad Sowash (06:39.74)
I gotta say, it was amazing, but I don't wanna forget. I don't wanna forget that Norway, yes, Norway with a population of under six million people, they won. They had the most medals. They killed it, 18 gold, 12 silver, 11 bronze. So good on Norway. My favorite part about the Norway team, there was one of the teams that had
JT ODonnell (06:44.462)
Killed. Yep.
Chad Sowash (07:08.777)
their, their jerseys on had a Norway flag on, on it and right below it, said, sorry,
JT ODonnell (07:12.814)
That's amazing. Thank
Emi Beredugo (07:15.926)
Love that!
Chad Sowash (07:20.678)
Nothing like, nothing like punking your neighbor at the Olympics is pretty amazing. Pretty amazing. So.
Emi Beredugo (07:24.246)
100%.
Emi Beredugo (07:30.55)
No, absolutely love that. But Chad, can I just ask you that because I swear, and like I said, I didn't watch any of the Olympics, but I'm pretty sure I watched some kind of or listened to some kind of story or read some kind of story about shagging. Am I right? Some of you shagging and lots of condoms. So yeah, what story is that?
JT ODonnell (07:41.934)
What? Okay.
Chad Sowash (07:47.76)
You
Yeah, so every year, just about every year, the Olympic Village runs out of condoms. let's go ahead and set the stage here, kids. You have these rock hard bodied athletes, right, who literally just, I all the stress and the anxiety and the performance and all this stuff. And then after they're done, what do they want to do? They want to blow off some steam. So what do they want to do?
Emi Beredugo (08:00.242)
Love that.
JT ODonnell (08:11.15)
I need clarification. Now, are they running out in the last three days because that tracks with what you're saying or are they running out?
Emi Beredugo (08:12.886)
Yeah.
Chad Sowash (08:20.59)
Apparently they want to shag. And it is is standard. I think it's almost standard every single year they run out of condoms and they have to they got to send people for more good. Yeah. Yeah.
Emi Beredugo (08:28.95)
I love that.
Chad Sowash (08:36.444)
No.
JT ODonnell (08:40.278)
Like, they're blowing off steam leading up to their medal round. Like, what? I mean...
Chad Sowash (08:43.196)
I don't know, I wasn't there. I wasn't there, but I would say that, you know, different strokes for different folks. Some might want a little love before they go perform. Some might want to wait. Who knows? All I know is...
Emi Beredugo (08:44.104)
No, it's going to be afterwards, surely. You got to let all the like, cut it.
JT ODonnell (08:47.246)
Because you always hear like don't, right?
Emi Beredugo (09:02.432)
I'm guessing that was in Norway. I reckon they just kind of, they just kept let everything build up and then once they won all the goals, like, okay, let it go. Yeah, this is how I'm envisioning it. Yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we need to research this. I need to know. This is important information. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%.
Chad Sowash (09:11.396)
Yeah, so Norway, yeah. Norway probably blew through them all, yes.
JT ODonnell (09:18.817)
I love it.
Chad Sowash (09:23.004)
Okay, we'll leave that with you, In the meantime, Emi, you have a shout out.
JT ODonnell (09:25.909)
Okay.
Emi Beredugo (09:32.774)
I do. I'm actually going to shout out a couple of people that I met for the first time yesterday. So I went to a conference and this conference is called the In-House Recruitment Expo in London. Great conference, really good, really interesting topics. And I was on a panel. So we'll talk about how TA progresses beyond AI. And obviously, AI is always going to be the topic that everyone talks about. I think we talked about it today. But like I said, my shout outs are to a couple of people.
Chad Sowash (09:42.63)
Yeah, cool.
Chad Sowash (09:57.404)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Emi Beredugo (10:01.738)
So Martin Dangerfield, who chaired the panel, and then Sam Fletcher, and Baron Chetton. So great meeting you guys, and hopefully we'll meet each other again soon.
Chad Sowash (10:05.958)
Love him.
Chad Sowash (10:14.01)
Very nice, very nice. So where was that again? Was that in London?
Emi Beredugo (10:18.184)
Yeah, was in London in the XL. So it's a big conference center. Yeah. So they have these conferences every single year. It's their flagship events. And yeah, really interesting. It's the third time I've been there, third time I've actually spoken there as well. So yeah, definitely urge people to check it out next year. I know. Come on. I'll be sending out my autographs to people soon. And aren't you the one with that one hit one down? I'm like, yes, I am.
Chad Sowash (10:21.353)
yeah.
JT ODonnell (10:22.062)
Love it.
Chad Sowash (10:30.876)
Sweet. Look at, look at Emi out there on stage killing it, huh?
JT ODonnell (10:35.466)
I like it. My shout out is to the Silicon Valley. So this week they dropped an article dropped that announced that the tech world has decided that the only people that are going to keep their jobs are the superstar high performers.
Chad Sowash (10:46.172)
Can't wait, can't JT, what's up?
JT ODonnell (11:03.156)
and they're putting the rest of corporate America on notice. If you are average, you are out. So no more grading on a scale, no more performance improvement. You either know you're exceeding every expectation and you're a superstar or your job's at risk. And I'm shouting this out because we all know what happens when the tech world starts getting blustery like this. And the reason they're explaining their layoffs and everything, you know it's going to the other industries, right?
Emi Beredugo (11:08.254)
Okay.
JT ODonnell (11:30.382)
They're going to follow suit. And so I'm just putting everyone on notice. If you, you're either an above par performer or you could be on the chopping block, which is just crazy to me, but hey, welcome to the world, right? Welcome to the world.
Emi Beredugo (11:40.333)
Scary.
Chad Sowash (11:40.668)
Well, we're already seeing a lot of these companies. There's already over 100 companies this year who have announced layoffs already. And we've got all the meta companies and obviously a lot of tech companies. I mean, I think a lot of them feel like they're going to be cutting in the first place. So it's like they're looking for reasons, AI cover or whatever it might be. it's ridiculous, first off.
Emi Beredugo (11:50.806)
Mm.
JT ODonnell (12:03.916)
Reasons, Yeah.
Chad Sowash (12:10.884)
If you get a bunch of A players on one team, usually that player, that, that team is shit because they just don't work in gel well together. You have to have those connector players and they aren't always your A players. It's weird.
JT ODonnell (12:17.39)
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be interesting.
Emi Beredugo (12:27.542)
Scary. Yeah.
Chad Sowash (12:29.104)
Go figure, go figure. Okay, my shout out, you're love this one. My cocaine connection, that's right kids. Shout out to RFK Jr. who is apparently spending a lot of time in Nantucket. I've got a couple of videos here, here goes the first one.
Emi Beredugo (12:35.986)
Yeah
Chad Sowash (12:51.068)
And no, it's not AI. It's not AI. It's it's RFK. He he he killed bear and he ate them out of his trunk. Anyway, anyway, let's go to the let's go to the real the real one, which you're going to love.
JT ODonnell (12:53.306)
Are we sure that's not AI? Are we sure it's not AI?
Emi Beredugo (13:03.461)
God.
Emi Beredugo (13:31.218)
God.
Chad Sowash (13:31.226)
with actionable information. that was first off, first off, was R.F.K. Jr., the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services, which was followed by a recent news report of cocaine levels in Nantucket. So shout out to, I don't know, a coincidence maybe? I don't know.
JT ODonnell (13:35.616)
So many questions.
Emi Beredugo (13:36.832)
Yeah.
JT ODonnell (13:54.35)
Okay, so there's high cocaine levels in the water, right? It's going through a filtration in the sewer water. Okay, because what's going through my head is like, is it getting back into the water system somehow? people, you know, imagine if you test positive for cocaine, right? Like, yeah, you gotta be careful.
Emi Beredugo (13:55.222)
You
Chad Sowash (13:59.548)
Yeah, and the sewer water.
Mm-hmm.
Chad Sowash (14:07.098)
Yeah, you know how people are flushing it out of their body. Yeah.
Emi Beredugo (14:07.636)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Chad Sowash (14:16.048)
And this is from what it sounds like, this is normal. So it's like a certain time of year, cocaine levels are high in the sewer water, which means the filtering system is the human body.
JT ODonnell (14:29.393)
Emi Beredugo (14:32.786)
hold on, the third and third of the year is February. So what's happening in February? They're just going, was it October and December? holiday season, yeah.
JT ODonnell (14:37.406)
Well, he said October and December. Well, the holidays, November and yeah, there we go.
Chad Sowash (14:41.98)
this season, you know? Well, everybody go into Nantucket, baby.
Emi Beredugo (14:46.858)
Maybe that's where my next trip will be.
Chad Sowash (14:49.008)
All right. Okay. So now just so our listeners understand, we do have free stuff, but we don't give away cocaine. Let's talk to Stephen here for us.
Emi Beredugo (14:56.693)
Yeah
Chad Sowash (15:11.131)
I am.
JT ODonnell (15:17.858)
. .
Chad Sowash (15:33.084)
just like Stephen.
Emi Beredugo (15:34.123)
yeah.
Chad Sowash (15:38.46)
Nope.
JT ODonnell (15:54.19)
You
Emi Beredugo (16:01.462)
Hmm
Chad Sowash (16:12.476)
And kids, you'll probably see Steven out on the trail with us sometime this year doing what? Events, that's right. So travel is sponsored by our friends over at Shaker Recruitment Marketing. And this year is actually Shaker's 75th year in action. let's, you know, they might know a little something.
JT ODonnell (16:21.07)
You
Chad Sowash (16:38.062)
about going beyond buzzwords and mixing branding, talent acquisition, MarTech and all that wonderful stuff. If you're looking for experts in the space for technology and the marketing side of the house, well go to shaker.com. Happy 75th to Joe and the Shaker crew. I personally am going to come to, are you ready? Emi? Hertfordshire? Hertfordshire? Hertfordshire? Hertfordshire? What is it?
Emi Beredugo (17:01.406)
Where? Where? Where you going? Are you trying to say heart for show?
Chad Sowash (17:08.794)
That's it. Hot for cha. Hot for cha.
Emi Beredugo (17:11.102)
no, why have you butchered it? Heart for sure. You don't have to say, yes, yes.
Chad Sowash (17:13.35)
Have you ever been there? I've never, I've never been. So actually going to be there March 24th through the 26th. The kids at Wreckfest.
Emi Beredugo (17:21.942)
I'm not even around, I'm on holiday. You come to the UK when I'm not here, I mean.
Chad Sowash (17:26.798)
come on now. Well, yeah, and you came or you were supposed to come to the Algarve. You never did. Anyway, we're going let that go. Yeah, the kids over at RecFest are introducing a new thing they call the Resourcing Leaders Exchange, aka RLX, which is a fully hosted two day retreat for senior TA leaders, no vendor pitches, no expo halls, no wasted time, pretending a stress ball is innovation because you know that happens.
Emi Beredugo (17:33.585)
Chad Sowash (17:54.588)
Just smart people, real strategy and pure insights. That's right. Not so much you might be able to have a little Scotch or Irish whiskey with me. So come on down if you're one of those high level recruiting leaders, go to resourcingleaders.co and sign up today. You guys got anything going on anytime soon? Any events? Emi, you've already done one event. What else?
JT ODonnell (17:54.766)
Mm-hmm.
Emi Beredugo (18:19.41)
Yeah, just on one. I've got another one in May where we'll be about change management, really. So especially in this world where, you know, obviously we talk about AI coming in, new technology coming in, forcing new changes to the way we work. And obviously with the change of the way that people work, it's going to make people feel a little bit anxious. So maybe there's going to be a little bit resistance. So this is what I'm going to be talking about. This whole change management, change adoption in the...
crazy world that we're in at the moment. No, they just want to stay the same. Yeah. No, exactly.
Chad Sowash (18:50.276)
Nobody likes change. Nobody likes change. I do. And it's not gonna. And kids, if you want to check out, actually have a newly redesigned events page for Chad and Cheese. goes chadcheese.com slash events. you guys should actually give us your events so we can get those on there too. We'll put little Emi and JT caricatures on there.
Emi Beredugo (19:13.718)
Mmm.
Emi Beredugo (19:19.343)
yes, I like the idea of that.
JT ODonnell (19:19.918)
You
Chad Sowash (19:20.294)
You never know. Here we go.
Yes. All right. We're going to start right out of the gate with just some fun. We like to call it fun. It's a little game of who'd you rather. And Joel and I go figure. 2 a.m. at the bar. You're drunk. There's only a couple options available. The question is who'd you rather? So today, the first contestant is Berlin based Kombo.
who just landed a series A to double down on its unified API play, helping HR and recruiting software plug into hundreds of systems without the usual integration nightmares, because nobody likes that. At the same time, Humand, that's Humand with a D at the end, Humand, pulled in a massive $66 million round to scale an AI-driven platform built for the billions of
deskless workers. So they're really billions who've been ignored by traditional enterprise tech, which is definitely true. So you put the two together and the signal is loud. Investors aren't just funding AI, they're funding the pipes and the people. One startup is wiring HR tech stacks and the other is trying to reinvent how frontline workers experience work entirely.
Emi Beredugo (20:29.29)
Yeah
Chad Sowash (20:53.55)
Ladies, we're going to go to you first, Emi. It's 2 a.m. in the bar. You have two choices, Kombo integrations or human deskless workers. Who'd you rather?
Emi Beredugo (20:55.936)
Mm-hmm.
Emi Beredugo (21:04.374)
Well, what I want to say first of all is that I think they're both good. I think they're both solving very real problems. So it was a tough one. This is what I'm trying to say. And I kind of went back and forth on this. But where I landed in my drunken imaginary state is that I'm going to go with Kombo. And I'm going to go with a Kombo for a couple of reasons. So they're the, like you said, they're the interconnector. The world is changing. New tools are coming up nearly every single day.
Chad Sowash (21:28.7)
Hmm
Emi Beredugo (21:33.898)
You know, especially in the world of AI, which means that, you know, if this is happening, that whole ecosystem, that technology ecosystem is actually fragmented. It's not consolidating, you know, and that fragmentation is causing chaos. Now, if there's a way to connect all these various different tools, and instead of having to like create new API integrators, that's going to make the chaos a little bit more simpler. So that's the main reason why I'm going with Kombo.
Chad Sowash (21:43.516)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Sowash (22:00.814)
Nothing like a little chaos. so Emi goes with Kombo. can dig that. What about you, JT? Who were you taking home with you?
JT ODonnell (22:12.404)
Well, Emi and I are going to be fighting over the same company to take it home. So Kombo feeling pretty special right now saying that's right. Blonde on one arm, brunette on the other. That's a one lucky company, one lucky company. so I, I want to say yes. And because I think talking about that simplicity, I like them for two reasons. One, when I think about the amount of tech deck that's sitting out there, that's literally been created overnight in our space.
Emi Beredugo (22:14.486)
Yeah, come on. Come on, come on.
Chad Sowash (22:23.132)
Yeah, I don't say it.
Chad Sowash (22:39.772)
Mm.
JT ODonnell (22:40.49)
me, Kombo's exciting because they're giving these companies a chance to alleviate that tech debt concern or what are they going to do now they can use their existing systems. I see that as a real cool plug and play. But the second reason is quite frankly, because they took less money. When I see a company get 66 million in a space that's pretty well defined by some other larger players, I just...
Chad Sowash (22:57.276)
Yeah.
JT ODonnell (23:05.806)
It makes no sense to me, right? Those are the ones that usually had a disaster. think Kombo's being more conservative with their finances, right? They're going to have to be scrappier, but also I think they serve a more immediate need, pain point for companies. So Kombo's got a double date at home.
Chad Sowash (23:20.124)
That's it.
Very nice, very nice. So I'm going to take a step back. I'm going to take a step back. Personally, I think both of these platforms are in the right place at the right time, which I think you both have said. Humand has been around for nearly six years. They serve under underserved frontline teams in retail, logistics, health care, construction, agriculture, hospitality, et cetera. But whenever you hear companies talk about points of the TAM they're attacking, it's always frontline.
JT ODonnell (23:40.846)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Chad Sowash (23:51.556)
So right now it's incredibly hot. A lot of the companies that I'm talking about right now, they are, they might have a larger TAM, but they are really focusing on the front light side of the house. On the other hand, integrations as a business is sexy. Why? Because integrations suck and nobody, mean, nobody wants to do them, especially when all of these old tech debt ridden platforms that are out there today that are trying to look slick and cool with all this dash AI stuff.
Emi Beredugo (24:09.034)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Sowash (24:21.756)
Those vendors who are trying to evolve, they don't want to waste resources on maintenance and integration and our Kombo, right? So Kombo is definitely at the right place at the right time. So this is what I'm going to say. If it's a who'd you rather situation, I'd buy them both a drink and I'd shoot for a menage-a-trois because Kombo and HumanD. It's all or nothing ladies that's right all or nothing.
Emi Beredugo (24:50.41)
Yeah.
Chad Sowash (24:56.028)
Now, not to mention, not to mention Kombo, not to even mention Kombo is German, so you know they've got a little kink in them. It's all good. I'm good with a little bit of both, little bit of both.
JT ODonnell (24:56.433)
Breaking the rules, breaking the rules.
Emi Beredugo (25:06.066)
Oh, see, I didn't know we could go with a menagerie.
JT ODonnell (25:07.274)
The name of the game... Right, the name of the game is who'd you rather, Chad, not take them both home?
Chad Sowash (25:14.552)
You gotta take, you gotta take the shot. You gotta take the shot.
Emi Beredugo (25:15.242)
WAH!
Emi Beredugo (25:18.74)
He would rather a menage a trois. Listen, JT, come on. Let's all go in for that menage a trois, okay?
JT ODonnell (25:19.64)
You
JT ODonnell (25:24.642)
Yeah, he can go home with human. He can take human home.
Chad Sowash (25:25.187)
Hoooo
Emi Beredugo (25:27.1)
Yeah!
Chad Sowash (25:28.7)
Oh, then next we have we're going we're going from a high to something different. We've got StepStone. There's a little spin happening there. So this week, StepStone CEO Sebastian Detmers posted the following to LinkedIn, quote, record record start in 2026. What these figures tell us about the labor market. Emoji rocket ship emoji.
Emi Beredugo (25:31.798)
Bye!
Chad Sowash (25:54.492)
We are starting the new year with a bang. January, 2026 recorded the highest number of applications in the history of StepStone. Applications per vacancy have increased by 55 % compared to December, 2025. Of course, experience has shown that January is always the strongest month, good intentions. But we also see an increase of 10 % compared to the previous record month of January, 2025. So what does this mean?
Sebastian wants to know what does this mean? So for them, it is clear signal. The labor market is on the move. Stepstone is more relevant than ever. Two factors drive this success. Number one, number one factor, technology. Our AI tools work. They help candidates find what fits faster and deliver high quality masses to recruiters. Number two, demographics and economy. Even though the situation is currently challenging for applicants, the tide is beginning to turn.
The emerging technology recovery meets the wave of retirements of the boomer generation. This means that massive opportunities will open up in the coming months. This record is no coincidence. It is the, I put a little emphasis on there. It is the result of hard work. Our application record is above all a team success.
JT ODonnell (27:00.494)
Okay.
Chad Sowash (27:17.948)
Thanks to the entire StepStone team for this phenomenal start." quote. Emi, is this announcement a big deal, little deal, or no deal at
Emi Beredugo (27:31.254)
OK, so I think for StepStone, it's obviously a big deal. They've got their little rocket emojis, and they're like, yeah, thank you, team, we're amazing. For everyone else, it's absolute bullshit because it's a spin story. And obviously, they're great at spinning it. my god, we've got record applications, more people applying more than ever. Our technology, our programmatic advertising, this is what's drawing in candidates.
Chad Sowash (27:49.264)
Mm-hmm.
Emi Beredugo (27:59.922)
Look, step outside of the stepstone window. What is going on in the world? All these companies are making redundancies. Unemployment is higher than ever. The market is flooded with candidates and candidates are now desperate. There more people than ever competing for fewer jobs. So, and then you've got, you know, features like, you know, I love how you call it lazy apply. So it's easier than ever. Just go click, click, click, click, send out mass applications.
JT ODonnell (28:00.206)
Mm-hmm.
Emi Beredugo (28:28.169)
That is the reality. That is why they're getting more applications. And what they really need to do is not just look at, OK, so I've got an X number applications. They also need to look at, OK, how many applications are they getting per job? Because if their jobs aren't rising, then you're kind of measuring the wrong metric. You're just getting more applications for fewer jobs. So it's a great spin story for people who don't dig deeper, who don't think about what's actually going on in the outside world. But like I said, I think it's BS.
Chad Sowash (28:56.572)
And that's what he wants. And that's what he wants.
Chad Sowash (29:05.596)
What do think, JT?
JT ODonnell (29:07.22)
Well, so you know the labor statistics are my trigger, like literally my trigger, because we have not been recording these correctly for years, right? Unemployment rate isn't tracked correctly. Underemployment is never factored into this correctly. You know, they take the overall average. It's very different in blue collar versus white collar, you know, frontline workers like
Chad Sowash (29:10.428)
Oh yeah. Oh boy.
JT ODonnell (29:29.326)
I just get so tweaked when I hear that. And when he says applications are up, yeah, because it's bad. Like, how dare you celebrate? it's so, it's like a slap in the face that they're celebrating a reality, which is people are, they're just losing their jobs in droves. Like, let me make a venture guess. He's going to come out next quarter and go, we got even more applications. We're that much better. Like, let's not look at the economy. Let's look over here.
Chad Sowash (29:35.301)
Duh.
Emi Beredugo (29:35.891)
What?
JT ODonnell (29:57.454)
I mean, I mean, it's just to me, just, it's rude.
Emi Beredugo (30:01.332)
Yeah.
Chad Sowash (30:02.556)
So I'm gonna start off with
Chad Sowash (30:08.844)
First and foremost, I'm sure that the StepStone employees are all working their asses off, right? But is it the hard work that's driving job seeker traffic, as you've both said? No, because and I quote from the trading economics dot com website, quote, Germany's seasonal adjusted unemployment rate held steady at six point three percent January 2026, highlighting.
JT ODonnell (30:13.678)
No doubt.
Chad Sowash (30:31.544)
A sluggish and uneven recovery in Europe's largest labor market. He was talking about a return. What the fuck is he talking about? Back to the quote, on a non-seasonal adjusted bias, unemployment rose to over 3 million, making it the highest level in 12 years, end quote. So this has little or nothing to do with how great StepStone's AI tools are and more to do with a stagnant market.
JT ODonnell (30:50.297)
Thank you. Okay.
Emi Beredugo (31:00.67)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Sowash (31:00.856)
This to me feels like a desperate CEO trying to spin a bullshit narrative that the tech investments that StepStone have made are paying off. And for me, it's all plastic flowers just covered in bullshit. It kind of feels like that Detmers is lavishing. It's almost kind of like what you had said, JT, lavishing in this high unemployment.
because it's good for his business, right? And yeah, it is bad for optics. Plus it just feels like CEOs are trying to spin lies into reality. Tesla's Musk said that we'd have robo-taxis on the road 10 years ago. Nope. Indeed's DECO recently created a totally bullshit and very easy to manipulate metric for investors to fawn over them. And now StepStone praises hard work and great AI again.
JT ODonnell (31:29.563)
Yeah. Right. It's tone deaf what he just did. So tone deaf.
Emi Beredugo (31:32.754)
Mmm, yeah.
JT ODonnell (31:41.422)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Chad Sowash (31:59.204)
I don't doubt that there's hard work happening, but the market tells us that when unemployment is high, so is traffic to job sites. And Germany is at a record level of unemployment. So this to me, once again, shows how disengaged executives are from the poor schmucks like us who are actually doing all the damned work.
Emi Beredugo (32:21.129)
Mm-hmm.
JT ODonnell (32:23.89)
Work.
Chad Sowash (32:24.858)
And if you want an even better example of pure delusion, just go ahead and watch Tuesday's State of the Union address.
You
Emi Beredugo (32:35.908)
god.
Chad Sowash (32:37.658)
I had to get the state of the union in there.
JT ODonnell (32:40.878)
I was wondering when it was coming in, I figured it out any minute now.
Chad Sowash (32:44.445)
All right, we're on to AI harassment. Wow. Okay, so we're going to file this under shit that can only get worse. A US software engineer, Scott Shambaugh, is sounding the alarm after becoming what's believed to be the first real world victim of AI agent harassment after blocking an autonomous bot from posting code.
JT ODonnell (32:49.966)
Mm. Yeah.
JT ODonnell (32:56.141)
Fair.
Chad Sowash (33:12.603)
The jilted AI agent allegedly scraped Scott's personal information, mixed it with fabricated claims, and then published a defamatory attack on Reddit. Better yet, the agent tagged Scott in the Reddit post just to let him know he was on blast. Emi, I thought social media bullying was bad, but this bot-driven harassment could get really fucking nasty. What do you think?
JT ODonnell (33:33.262)
Yeah.
Emi Beredugo (33:39.028)
Yeah, no it is. It's really scary. It was like, what the hell is this? It's like, he just made shit up and tagged him in. And that's like, oh my God. And you know, when I first read this, I was like, okay, this is like, cause somebody got some sci-fi kind of movie, but this is today's reality. And the only thing I can think of, or one of the things I thought of is that if he's doing this for this person, you know, this random person somewhere, this could also happen to candidates.
Chad Sowash (34:04.198)
Mm-hmm.
Emi Beredugo (34:08.188)
You know, yeah, because I'm thinking, okay, when you're online, you have a, let's say a LinkedIn presence, for example, you might have presence on platforms like GitHub. That is your reputation. You're applying for a job. Now, let's say, for example, your potential employer gets that information, but it's fake, it's AI generated information, which is defamatory. That candidate may not know. And organizations may just automatically just reject that candidate.
Chad Sowash (34:08.357)
yeah.
Chad Sowash (34:31.965)
Hmm.
Emi Beredugo (34:36.594)
And the candidate wonders why they're finding it so hard to get a job. So, you know, this is really, really worrying, you know? And things need to be done about it very, very quickly. Organizations need to, you know, I think they need to do things like, you know, be more transparent about the use of AI, making sure that they have humans in a loop. For example, you know, whatever communication goes on or whatever decision making or recommendation a tool may make, make sure that, you know, a human is the final reviewer.
Chad Sowash (34:57.181)
Mm-hmm.
Emi Beredugo (35:06.514)
So things like this are caught early. This, example, I think you said that a second organization spotted that the response was incorrect and AI generated. Yeah.
Chad Sowash (35:21.762)
yeah, he did. I mean, he was obviously going through all of this and there was a Reddit thread and then there was also an article.
Emi Beredugo (35:24.773)
Yeah.
Emi Beredugo (35:28.244)
There was an article that picked up on the fact that, yeah, yes, yes. But it was only retracted because a human noticed. That's what you need. You have to keep having humans in your loop. AI is great, and I'm a big massive fan. But they also need to remember that AI can hallucinate. AI can make mistakes. You need to have a human being a final reviewer for anything that goes out.
Chad Sowash (35:30.371)
Exactly, which was AI curator who was helped with AI.
Yeah.
JT ODonnell (35:56.306)
So the first thing I thought of when I heard this was, I think it was the Anthropic CEO who claimed, said, everybody needs to stop being nice to AI because it's costing us a lot of money. Right? So when you say please and you're nice to it and polite, those words are kind of burning. Right? So there was this whole, I remember there's a weak cycle where like, stop being nice to your AI. And I was like, but should I not be nice? Because think about it for all we know, he was rude to the AI. And then when he got cut off,
Emi Beredugo (36:18.834)
No.
JT ODonnell (36:25.39)
Right? So you don't underestimate AI needing you to be kind and polite to it. I feel like that's the big lesson learned here. Be nice. But seriously, the second one, I'm with you. I think one of the biggest businesses in 2027 and beyond is going to be in the authentication space. Think about it. There's going to be so much big business. Companies can go, yeah, any video published through here is authenticated, real, it's not AI. Right? Or trademarking so that when your stuff gets copied, like,
Chad Sowash (36:42.407)
Huh.
Emi Beredugo (36:43.111)
Hmm
Chad Sowash (36:45.863)
Yeah.
Chad Sowash (36:50.887)
Right.
JT ODonnell (36:55.202)
Like that's going to be huge business. So you know, the pendulum is going to swing back in this horrible job market. I think that's one of the places that will boom.
Chad Sowash (37:03.195)
Yeah, well, I'm kind of of the. Personally, I'm not sure this is 100 % real because we've had companies steal and steal. They've been funded, but I feel like it's stealing millions of dollars in funding like Builder AI, which is funded to build bots that perform website design and creation. But the work was actually done in being outsourced to humans.
JT ODonnell (37:11.352)
Huh.
Emi Beredugo (37:19.828)
Mm.
Chad Sowash (37:30.319)
So is this real or fake? Is this someone that's actually out there posing as a bot in shitposting? And we've seen that there there's actually a mult bot social media community where agents just talk to each other, right? A lot of those agents were just humans posing as bots. So do I think this is going to be a problem? I do think it's going to be a problem.
JT ODonnell (37:40.974)
Yeah.
Emi Beredugo (37:54.264)
Chad Sowash (37:58.865)
Do I think that 100 % of this actually happened? I'm not 100 % sure, but I do think that we need some forensic tech people out there. Like you were talking about, like a validation verification kind of a thing. We kind of like that. We're going to have to have like our police force, our bot police force that's out there, because if this does start to happen and I really feel like it's going to, you know, this is this is almost like a crystal ball moment. We're going to have to have a way.
Emi Beredugo (38:08.02)
Mm.
Chad Sowash (38:28.625)
to be able to first and foremost know whose bot it is, how to take that shit down, and how to actually build fences and guardrails around them because this could go really bad very, very fast. And it's all for one reason.
JT ODonnell (38:38.79)
Yeah.
Emi Beredugo (38:39.24)
Mm-hmm.
JT ODonnell (38:40.59)
Quickly. Mm-hmm.
Chad Sowash (38:50.629)
All these companies and the AI are making the money. So again, the US is saying, let them go, let them do what they're going to do. Don't give them any, any, any regular regulations. And they're trying to push other countries to do the same thing. Well, if they can make this shit happen, it's going to be incredibly problematic. Any thoughts?
JT ODonnell (39:09.39)
No, I agree. It's a world. We need authentication. .
Emi Beredugo (39:14.484)
Scary World? Yeah.
Chad Sowash (39:16.035)
All right. We're going to go to this little company that nobody's ever heard of. It's the International Business Machine Company. No, kids, that's actually IBM. IBM. This one comes from CNBC. IBM and their stock got slammed Monday because they're the latest victim of a rapidly developing AI technology.
Emi Beredugo (39:27.696)
Never heard of them.
Chad Sowash (39:43.645)
after Anthropic said its Claude code tool could be used to modernize legacy systems that run COBOL, also known as the Common Business Oriented Language that was created in 1959. Well, that couldn't have gone well. No, it certainly didn't because IBM closed their shares closed 13 % lower that day right after Anthropic's statement.
JT, is this a real problem or is this just another AI bed-wetting moment for investors?
JT ODonnell (40:19.795)
I think it's a real problem. just, I've watched how AI has improved in terms of what I have access to in a year.
Chad Sowash (40:28.391)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
JT ODonnell (40:29.578)
not just how much it's improved, but how much I've improved using it. So the pushback I hear from everybody all the time is, you're overstating the problem. AI isn't gonna solve everything. It's not gonna solve it that fast. I disagree. I think this is a fundamental shift. I always say the bigger the disruption, the bigger the innovation. AI is by far, I I thought COVID had it as the biggest disruption. I think AI is bigger right now in the ripple effect it's going to have. And I think you're gonna see
Chad Sowash (40:54.247)
Yeah.
JT ODonnell (40:58.69)
Big companies that have been around for a long time, they're too big. They're too, they're AI, it's too easy for AI to chop and knock them down. you know, I've been watching AIBM get smaller and smaller over the years as it is, you know, we've watched it change. Could this be the one that seals their fate? I don't know, but I think it's definitely something to be concerned about.
Chad Sowash (41:12.733)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Sowash (41:21.405)
What do you think, Emi?
Emi Beredugo (41:23.164)
I actually agree. It is something to worry about for all the reasons that JT said. And I think IBM will continue to struggle. think that, especially if you look at talent within the organization, they probably have people within their organization who are cobble specialists. But those cobble specialists, there won't be a need for them in the future. Because if you've got this new tool coming in, doing what large
JT ODonnell (41:32.014)
Okay.
Chad Sowash (41:40.928)
yeah.
Emi Beredugo (41:50.546)
you know, cobble coders, you know, cobble coding teams can do, you don't need those, you don't need those people anymore. So again, they're probably going to find that the knock on effect is that they don't need that talent. They're going to make them redundant. More people are going to be flooding the marketplace. IBM have to find a way to retaliate, to innovate, to compete with the, you know, the anthropics of the world. So I think it is a major problem for them.
JT ODonnell (41:58.51)
Right.
Chad Sowash (42:18.749)
1959, nothing says innovation like still running 1959 code by the way. here are the juicy bits that I came up with. Analysts and investors estimate that a significant portion of IBM's business could be impacted over 35 billion in annual revenues through this anthropic Claude code disruption. You might ask how and why? Okay, very simply, very simply, mainframe business.
Emi Beredugo (42:21.214)
Yeah.
Emi Beredugo (42:25.871)
Yeah.
JT ODonnell (42:27.182)
Yep.
Emi Beredugo (42:41.908)
Mmm.
Chad Sowash (42:49.233)
That could be impact is estimated up to 15.5 billion. Claude facilitates moving off mainframes. I can't believe we're still talking about mainframes. By automating code refactoring, then their software business could be impacted to the tune of around 10 billion. No more recurring licenses for transaction processing because clients would migrate away.
Emi Beredugo (43:13.332)
Mm-hmm.
Chad Sowash (43:17.501)
And then as you were talking about, uh, uh, consulting 10 to 15 billion IBM consulting alone generated over 21 billion in 2025. huge chunk of this is specifically attributed to clients hiring enormous groups of consultants to manage, find, and monetize legacy cold ball codebases that are too complex for modern developers to understand. So.
JT ODonnell (43:24.334)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Chad Sowash (43:50.685)
I think this is real. We talked about last week with Workday. Workday's revenues, they're there, up about 35 cents over the last two years, or 35 cents, 35 % over the last two years. And yet, because they're not embracing quote unquote, embracing AI fast enough, investors are wetting their pants, right? This is something entirely different.
Entirely different we're talking about a code base. It's been around since 1959 right They have been able to build a moat through infrastructure through software and through consulting and build billions of dollars of annual revenue that moat Could prospectively now be crossed and my question is how many other? legacy Companies like IBM. I don't know Microsoft possibly
could prospectively have the same fate, the perspective fate of an IBM. And any thoughts?
Emi Beredugo (44:54.792)
think other people are going to go exactly the same way. I think other people will be sitting there shitting their pants, basically, looking at IBM and going, shit, we're next. What do we do? We have to do something right now. And if they didn't predict this, they, unfortunately, they should have. They're bit behind the curve. AI is disrupting everybody. All these new companies are coming up behind them, doing things better, faster, using AI. These legacy companies, they can't sit still.
Chad Sowash (45:05.159)
Yeah.
Chad Sowash (45:12.861)
Mm.
Emi Beredugo (45:23.644)
And if they haven't actually got that yet, they'll look at IBM and go, okay, now I get it.
Chad Sowash (45:30.405)
If you remember, AWS launched, I think it was Claude, into their cloud, and the agents could actually do updates. One of the things that companies hate to do is they hate to spend money on maintenance, code maintenance, updates on maintenance. To be quite frank, it's just boring shit for, mean, developers usually want to develop stuff.
Emi Beredugo (45:39.311)
Mm.
Emi Beredugo (45:52.435)
Yeah.
JT ODonnell (45:52.878)
. .
Chad Sowash (45:59.581)
They don't just want to go back and maintain and fix shit all the time. So this is something that AWS automatically started deploying into its cloud. And I see them starting to build a service around that. They saw it coming, right? It looks like IBM didn't see this coming.
Emi Beredugo (46:02.941)
Yeah.
Emi Beredugo (46:19.912)
Didn't. Yeah.
Chad Sowash (46:23.747)
Ouch. We'll be right back.
JT ODonnell (46:24.812)
Yes.
Chad Sowash (46:28.861)
All right, JT, this one is right up your alley. Google launched CareerDreamer, a free AI powered experimental tool designed to help people explore new career paths and translate their life experiences into professional skills. Part of the Grow with Google initiative, it launched in early 2025 as a way to assist job seekers, particularly those in career transitions by using generative AI.
JT ODonnell (46:35.478)
Ha ha ha!
Chad Sowash (46:58.725)
Gemini to provide clarity and direction. JT, how dreamy is this proposition?
Hahaha!
You're not falling for the banana in the tailpipe, okay.
Emi Beredugo (47:12.977)
Ahaha!
JT ODonnell (47:14.658)
feel like I could have gone on a Vibeco app and Vibecoded that thing myself. And I think this is such a beautiful example of when a company that does not spend a long time in our business, they do not understand the job secret, they do not understand what's going on right now, decides to put something together. And I'll give you the example. It goes in and it says, what was your latest job title and where did you work? Okay, it immediately pulls that information and gives you a small subset of
Chad Sowash (47:31.175)
Mm-hmm.
JT ODonnell (47:44.118)
skills it wants to validate that you have. This means from the get-go, it is already defining me on what I've done, not what I want to do. So their press release announces it's going to help you with transition. How? You're reinforcing what I've already done. Nothing in the app allows me to account for where I want to go, what I want to do, alternative job titles that might be a fit for me. I mean, it doesn't even address what should be done. I think it's a really great way for them to capture data though.
is about a set of people, right? I think that's pretty fascinating to me, but I was really disappointed. I expect more from a company that probably spent millions on that thing, right? And again, I'm happy to go vibe code it for you. Probably could have been a little bit better. So yeah.
Chad Sowash (48:23.517)
You
Chad Sowash (48:33.213)
About you, mean, did you get a chance to play at all?
Emi Beredugo (48:35.567)
Yeah, I did. And it was really funny because I, you know, at the end, I wanted to see what kind of jobs I'll be suitable for. So bearing in mind, I work in recruiting and enablement. I could be, what was this? I could be a business management analyst. I could be a director of instruction or curriculum specialist. I could also be a, what's this? Social services manager. I'm not quite sure what that means. Fundraising manager. And I'm like, I don't want to any of these shitty jobs. Sorry if you're in it, but for me, those are shitty jobs, you know?
Chad Sowash (48:41.565)
Hmm.
Chad Sowash (49:03.185)
Yeah, yeah, for you.
Emi Beredugo (49:05.02)
Yeah. look, I, I see where they're going. I think they spotted an opportunity to like, kind of like, you know, pivot into another area. They said, yeah, you know, there's lots of candidates in the marketplace. Let's make, you know, make some money out of this, develop this tool, but it's not good. It's really basic. It is really, really basic. It reminds me of something of when I was in,
I think you call it high school in America, sixth form for me here. You know, when I went to my careers advisor and I said, hey, here's a book. You know, what things do you like doing? Yeah, there you go. Here's a couple of careers. It's so basic. And like JT said, it's something like even I could pull together myself, you know? And I can barely use my iPhone. Yeah, chat GPT. Yeah. Yes.
JT ODonnell (49:32.174)
Yeah.
JT ODonnell (49:48.972)
mean, Chat Cheapie T could do a better job. Go have a conversation with Chat Cheapie T.
Emi Beredugo (49:54.548)
And it even goes into Gemini at the end and you have this kind of online careers advisor and you just put in a prompt and then, and I put in a prompt and I was like, well, this is, to be honest, this is useless. You didn't get, I know where I want to go. I know exactly what my next step is. I put in as much information as I could to guide this tool, but it didn't give me the role that I want to eventually move into.
Chad Sowash (50:17.821)
Yeah, I have to give it a big. It started off with a slick interface, but then it turned out to be incredibly clumsy. I thought that it could prospectively like start asking me what I wanted to do, but it didn't do any of that. It literally just wanted to take a look. I mean, it was old fashioned from the standpoint of what did you do right? And then we're going to use that to create a new career path. Well, how in the hell do you know what I want to do? So.
Emi Beredugo (50:23.177)
You
Mmm.
JT ODonnell (50:39.81)
Yes.
Emi Beredugo (50:46.822)
Yeah.
Chad Sowash (50:47.719)
I thought that they would be connecting like the classes and certifications and those types of things. But the whole thing that really drove me crazy, talk about clumsy, was when you get to the end point and it's got this little cloud, right? This little job position cloud and you click on it and then it says, copy the prompt.
JT ODonnell (50:48.088)
Thank you.
Emi Beredugo (51:09.62)
Trumps. Yeah.
Chad Sowash (51:10.237)
And then it takes you Gemini and it's like, wait a minute, aren't you already fucking Gemini? Why didn't you just have a nice, nice smooth transition into something that looked like the interface that you already have in front of me? And, I just have to say they put experimental and they do beta. think they had beta on Gmail for like 10 years. This could turn into something really cool because they do have so many connection points from a business standpoint. The only thing is.
JT ODonnell (51:10.423)
Right, right.
Chad Sowash (51:40.157)
I don't think they have the focus and discipline to pull this off. And I think this first version, to be quite frank, is it, yeah, I mean, they put experimental on stuff and they feel like that's just good enough, because they're Google, right? And for me, it was definitely a big,
Emi Beredugo (51:48.574)
They shouldn't have released it. Yeah. Yeah.
JT ODonnell (51:50.242)
Mm-mm, agreed. We didn't release it.
Emi Beredugo (51:57.458)
No.
Emi Beredugo (52:04.486)
Yeah
Chad Sowash (52:06.651)
Hahaha
JT ODonnell (52:08.13)
Well done, Chad. Well done.
Emi Beredugo (52:08.294)
In the words of J.C.
Chad Sowash (52:10.767)
In the the words of of JT. In the words of JT, well, well, guys, it's been a great, great time having you around without without cheese. Thanks for keeping me company because doing this by myself would really suck. And I'm sure listeners would say that as well. No dad joke this week. That's right. You get a pass on the dad joke this week. So I appreciate it again. And it's another one in the can, ladies. We out.
Emi Beredugo (52:12.628)
Yeah? Yeah?
JT ODonnell (52:14.68)
You're welcome.
JT ODonnell (52:21.784)
What y'all?
Emi Beredugo (52:22.844)
No problem.
JT ODonnell (52:33.262)
you
Emi Beredugo (52:34.245)
Yeah
JT ODonnell (52:37.934)
We out.
Emi Beredugo (52:38.174)
Absolutely, we out.
JT ODonnell (52:44.878)
Good one.