Recorded LIVE from UNLEASH World in Paris' showfloor.
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Intro: Hide your kids, lock the doors. You're listening to HR's Most Dangerous Podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are here to punch the recruiting industry right where it hurts. Complete with breaking news, rash opinion and loads of snark. Buckle up boys and girls. It is time for the Chad and Cheese Podcast.
Joel: Oh yeah.
Chad: I just love that.
Joel: Bonjour Monsieur, Chad.
Chad: Bonjour, Mr- Fromage
Joel: Bienvenu...to the Chad and Fromage podcast from Paris France.
Joel: What's up listeners? We're here at the unleash conference in Paris. We've invaded the Meyer booth. We've taken their WiFi. We've taken their tables. We've stalled the sales process.
Joel: We've probably put them out of business because of our weekly show. We are the Chad and Cheese Podcast HR's Most Dangerous.
Joel: This week we're going to be talking the UNLEASH show. We're going to be talking Indeed shake downs and we're going to be talking Glassdoor mobsters. Stay tuned.
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Chad: And we're back.
Joel: And we're back dude. If you hate shout outs, you're going to hate this part of the show [crosstalk 00:02:01], there's so many people to thank from our week in Paris. I'm going to start with UNLEASH in general.
Chad: Oh yeah.
Joel: They gave us a Mic, they gave us a stage, they gave us a voice and we appreciate that because it's not the safest choice.
Chad: No and they gave us some really good panelists. It's one of the things that I love when we work with shows and they want to be able to get their people up on stage.
Chad: We had Chris Wray from Sainsbury's. We had Adam Yearsley from Red Bull. Had Brandy Ellis from the SmashFly. So yeah, I mean we had... They even extended our period. We were supposed to have 30 minutes. We went to 45. We're talking about brand, experience and just really cool shit. So we will be dropping that Podcast.
Joel: They even gave us Lars, as our master of ceremonies.
Chad: Oh yeah.
Joel: He's like he doesn't just do anybody.
Chad: Yeah. You get it. Get a little Lars actions.
Joel: That's good. You got through a lot of shout outs there with our guests.
Chad: Oh good.
Joel: So that's good. Shout out to Paris.
Joel: It has been very good to us. The food's great. The wine is amazing. The city's beautiful if you haven't been to Paris, could not recommend it more. We're very lucky. Indianapolis does not have a lot of international direct flights and amazingly they have a direct flight-
Chad: It does.
Joel: ... to Paris.
Chad: I love it.
Joel: So we're really enjoying the town and the quick flight over to Europe. Quick shout out to Neely Verlinden.
Chad: Ver what?
Joel: Yeah, she's with AIHR, which is not-
Chad: Say that again.
Joel: ... Artificial intelligence-
Joel: ... Yeah.
Joel: Neely Verlinden, AIHR. We did an interview with her yesterday. Talk shop, podcasting industry stuff. Be on the lookout for that. We'll link to it from chadcheese.com we'll share it on socials. It was a good time.
Chad: Big shout out to all of our friends and I'll try to hit as many as I possibly can.
Joel: Our dinner friends is that who you’re going after?
Chad: Well, we had the dinner friends. We had the Adam Gordon's of the world. You know, Andreea Wade-
Joel: Yup. Elin, from Tengai.
Chad: Elin, from Tengai. Max Armbruster.
Joel: Max twice.
Chad: See Max is French.
Chad: He leaves in Hong Kong now.
Joel: He is Parisian-
Chad: ...but he hooked us up two nights in a row. Amazing restaurants so big shout out to Max and the Talkpush peeps so... Also we just saw Matt Alder. He looked like he needed some sleep.
Joel: Not as much as you look like you need sleep.
Chad: Well, that's because I was up till two.
Joel: Hung Lee. We saw Hung-
Chad: Yeah. Got to love some Hung Lee. Just plenty of guys. The guys over at social talent, Dave, Johnny, the crew.
Joel: Yeah. We had a good time with the social talent guys. They had a giveaway idea for condoms. Apparently-
Chad: The Johnny.
Joel: ... the condoms in Ireland are called Johnny's.
Chad: Johnny's, yes.
Joel: So Johnny Campbell and the Johnny giveaway. I thought it was funny and frankly I think there is no better [crosstalk 00:04:57], than Johnny's face on a condom.
Chad: Yeah because you're going to stay hard putting that thing on.
Joel: Yeah and we're going to continue to hound them to one day have fresh Guinness from Ireland actually in the booth.
Chad: How are we in Europe and we don't have fresh Guinness from the booth. I mean, come on guys.
Joel: When we saw Shane Clinch for a very short period.
Chad: Oh yeah. He was in and out.
Joel: So you know, he's usually the one that brings us our supply. He's our Mr. Dr feelgood.
Chad: Yeah. And he didn't-
Joel: And he failed us this time but he's... No hate on Shane. He's always good for it.
Chad: Shane's brought us so much beer.
Joel: If there's an Irish in the house and there's no whiskey or Guinness I'm pretty upset.
Joel: Shout out to Laura Drori from Saba software in the UK. She's a big fan. She was at the show-
Joel: ... yesterday and wanted to send me a message saying, great show guys. Thanks a lot. I'm a big fan. Keep doing what you guys do. Andy Whitehead, another big fan that hit me up on LinkedIn. He's with a LiveHire out of Melbourne, whatever. Andy, we love the Aussies. Keep listening and keep spreading the joy.
Chad: I have to say Muir McDonald and that's how you have to say it. It's like you have to say it... You have to say with some confidence.
Joel: With some Cheesertude-
Chad: Yes, some confidence. So Muir McDonald. Yes. So we appreciate again, all the shout outs and also helping us to understand how to exactly pronounce your name my friend. Good job.
Joel: I'm going to go Richie Bodo from Neuvoo out of Missouri, another big fan of ours.
Joel: Mizzou, the show me state and we show them the knowledge by... Anyway. Wow. We went through shoutouts pretty quickly actually. I'm really impressed.
Chad: Yes. I'm sure everybody's happy about that.
Joel: Why did we not go that quickly on the regular show? I don't know. Our travel schedule is dwindling as the year comes to a close.
Joel: But we still have iCIMS-
Chad: Yeah, iCIMS.
Joel: ... coming up November. I'm going to be doing a session at recruit con in Nashville in November. If you're interested in-
Chad: Julie will be there.
Joel: ... optimizing your shit for Google for jobs, come out and say hi. I'll be there.
Chad: Julie will be there.
Joel: Julie Sowash will be there. So she's doing DNI stuff I guess.
Chad: Yeah. She just talk about how you actually get outcomes and hire people and shit. Yeah. That's-
Joel: She better not be on a bigger stage than me. That's all I'm saying.
Chad: She should be. Yeah. And then we have TalentNet in Dallas.
Joel: TalentNet, yep. Closing the year out in Dallas. We're still waiting on Carrie Corbin to say yay or nay coming on stage. You looking like that that's not going to happen.
Chad: She gave me the cold shoulder.
Joel: Cold shoulder. All right.
Chad: Come on-
Joel: Carrie you can talk the talk. Walk the walk.
Chad: Come on girl you walk the walk.
Joel: Come up on stage along. Otherwise we'll be doing our world famous naughty or nice list from the year from Dallas live. So if you're there, come out and say hi. All the usual Dallas, Texas suspects should be there. Charney, obviously Fisher and others.
Chad: Got a big group there in Dallas in Texas.
Joel: And by the way we're formulating next year's schedule.
Joel: If you thought you had too much of us this year, well damn it, you're out of luck because you might get more of us next year based on what the calendar starting to look like.
Chad: Not enough of Chad and Cheese in anybody's diet. Let's just make-
Joel: Especially if you're French.
Joel: Cheese is everywhere.
Chad: Chad and Fromage
Joel: Delicious. All right, let's take a quick break and we'll talk the UNLEASH show in more detail.
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Chad: And we're back.
Joel: And we're back.
Chad: And we're back.
Joel: All right UNLEASH one of the, I'd say top five at least HR conferences in the world.
Joel: That's probably non debatable.
Chad: No, I don't think that's debatable at all.
Joel: And it's our first time. What are some of your first takeaways and things that caught your attention here?
Chad: Again, this is one of the most interesting because everything is in one place. You're not walking from one part of a conference center to the next part of the conference center. They're all together. The stages are integrated with the expo hall. I mean... So I mean you-
Joel: It's not a go for coffee and maybe talk to a vendor. It's like the sessions are in the expo hall. Like you can't escape.
Chad: I mean, I would say if you are a vendor you would fucking love this show because you are always amongst the people.
Joel: Yeah. If you're a vendor, you're probably loving the show because there's no like waiting around.
Joel: Till the expo moment when they come in for drinks or coffee. Like the entire show you're talking to people who are here at the conference.
Chad: And drinks and coffee are always out and they're always around. So it's like, again, you go to a stage, which again, some of these stages are out in the middle of the expo hall, which we were on one of them but you can go from stage to stage. Go to the main stage, which is within the actual confines of this-
Joel: you can bounce around and not feel-
Joel: ... like, Oh, I've got to get up and open the door and be really quiet. Like you just get up and walk away and no one notices.
Chad: Yeah, there's so much going on. It's really cool. I do like... It's kind of like a start up area but it's not because SurveyMonkey is there for God's sake.
Joel: Well, it is very much like the kiosk HR Tech type pavilion where you have a little kiosk.
Joel: But yeah, SurveyMonkey, a large public company in America is in the startup pavilion.
Joel: E quest, who's been around for 20 some years in the startup pavilion. So they might want to tighten up the regulations on who can get there. Otherwise, we'll start seeing Microsoft in the startup-
Chad: Is it the startup area though, is that what it's called?
Joel: Pretty much. I mean the-
Chad: Is it?
Joel: ... startup stage is right there.
Chad: Yeah, that's a good point.
Joel: Those are pretty much all startups.
Chad: Pretty much all startups.
Joel: Now there is a bronze area, which I'm not exactly sure. So SurveyMonkey is a bronze but it's still a kiosk. They can obviously afford a 10 by 10 or something bigger here. So I'm a little confused why they're there but I don't know? Good on them. They budgeted wisely and got a cheap booth technically.
Chad: I'm going to say there is no there there.
Joel: There is no there there. Yeah. I wonder how many people are going up and saying who are you guys? SurveyMonkey, never [crosstalk 00:12:31], of course primarily American company. Maybe here in the European market they're more new.
Chad: So what do you think?
Joel: So obviously, I think I agree with all your sentiment on the conferences as it is. It's a big open space. It's vendors and attendees living together. [crosstalk 00:12:49], even the food is given out in sort of small portions on multiple parts of the area. So it's not like you go to one big buffet-
Chad: At the back of the hall.
Joel: ... at the back of the hall, then you sit away from the vendors. So they've really done a good job of making the people who pay the bills happy I think and that's been the feedback that I've gotten. You mentioned the startup area. Talk to quite a few of those. I think we sat through one of those startup sessions, our buddy George Laroque is a judge there. You know, my takeaway is there are too many startups that are just making stuff that they think is cool and they don't think about what pain am I like solve... What problem am I solving? What pain am I healing?
Joel: In fact in many cases, too many companies are creating actually more work for companies. So like you see survey companies where okay, sign up for our shit and then you email all of our people and then your workers have to do more work and then you have to do more work to maybe get something out of that. So I think that's been kind of a bad idea and shit storm for a lot of... Sorry, we are having a lot of activity here outside with a lot of middle fingers.
Chad: You pull out the Mics-
Joel: A lot of middle fingers and-
Chad: You pull out the Mic's and shit happens.
Joel: ... bite me kind of a hand gestures, which is nice. So a couple of-
Chad: Say hi Aaron.
Aaron Matos: Hi.
Joel: So yeah, not enough startups solving problems. They're kind of just cool and giving you more time and things to do on your to do list. A couple that stood out to me were Real Links, which I think we both actually stopped by and talked to, which was a referral system.
Chad: That was really interesting.
Joel: And what I liked about it was it was a pretty automated system. It synced up with your employees LinkedIn, Facebook, et cetera friends and then based on job postings, tried to match them with people in your network and then said, hey, so and so, we think might be a good opportunity for our marketing position. Here's link to send them if you think you agree with that and that was-
Chad: I can see that integrating with Slack, who also is here.
Joel: But not in the startup. Not in the startup.
Chad: Yeah, not in the startup.
Joel: So kudos to them for that. Yeah, we'll get to Slack in a second. My other highlight from the startup was Peachy Mondays. [crosstalk 00:15:11]. Yeah. We have way too many animals in the startup area and the vendor areas as a whole but now we're getting into fruits. So we should start saying-
Chad: Fruity Mondays.
Joel: ... Strawberry jobs forever and maybe-
Chad: Oh I like that. That's good.
Joel: So they're basically an internal glass door.
Joel: So you leave anonymous feedback that's internal, which for companies is nice because it's not public and maybe for employees it's nice because they feel like they're being heard and they're not being just voicing out in the world. I do think however, a lot of people would prefer to be heard by the most people possible even though it's anonymous. Whereas a platform like Indeed or Glassdoor is going to give them more of a voice than an internal system but those are two startups that sort of stood out to me as at least interesting.
Chad: Yeah. Well, we did see our friends from VideoMyJob here in that area, Candidate.ID, Job Pals. So seeing some of those organizations here are really cool.
Joel: Yeah, that we've talked about before. Been on firing squad.
Chad: Yeah. One organization that it was easy and I honed in on it quickly. It was called Juno.
Joel: Just the logo.
Chad: If you have a logo that is your name. It can't be so complex that-
Joel: If it looks like Morse code.
Chad: Yeah. I can't actually... If it takes me more than three seconds to actually figure out your fucking logo then the logo sucks.
Joel: Try to explain their logo for listeners. If you... Like not being able to show it.
Chad: Yeah. You know, like that the Etch A Sketch, when you're like you can do things on the Etch A Sketch and it's just like you're doing like little circles and stuff.
Joel: Blind Etch A Sketch.
Chad: Yeah. It's horrible. You look at it and you're like, what the... Does that... Is that actually what I... No, I think it's Juno and then I look underneath and it's like, yeah it's Juno that is horrible.
Joel: It is horrible. Yeah. And whatever marketing firm person, company, (five 00:17:06) or contractor came up with that. Like not good.
Chad: It's a five year old with an Etch A Sketch.
Joel: Agreed on that. Okay. A couple main segments we wanted to touch on was messaging. So you mentioned Slack. Go ahead and then what's your take on them?
Chad: It was interesting that Slack would spend time at a show like this.
Chad: Because we don't generally see them at shows like at the state. I didn't see Slack at HR Tech.<