2020 Predictions Show

It's January. And you know what that means: Predictions for the New Year. Joining Chad & Cheese this week is long time predictor and industry icon Tim Sackett. What's in store for Indeed, Monster, LinkedIn, ZipRecruiter and more?

You just gotta listen. You'll also find out how the boys did in their 2019 predictions (hint: THEY SUCK).

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Joel: Oh yeah. It's a new year. What's up Chad?

Chad: Another day in paradise, man, I'm just back from Cleveland. Aw shit.

Joel: Hello Cleveland and hello Tim Sackett, our special guest.

Tim: What's going on boys?

Chad: Sackadomis!

Joel: You ready to do some predictions?

Tim: Sackadomis is here.

Joel: It's a sack attack for 2020 baby.

Tim: I'm right off the boat from Cayman islands. I've got my Speedo on. I'm ready to go. I shaved my chest like a man.

Joel: J Lo and A Rod are on the bow side. Let's pay some bills, and we'll get to our 2019 rehash and go into our 2020 predictions. Gang, we'll be right back.

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Chad: I already know what this episode is going to be called. Teabagging 2020.

Tim: There we go. Right off the bat,

Chad: Right off the bat.

Tim: We're the audience.

Chad: Thinking of you in a Speedo. Come on. What else could we call it?

Tim: Yep. You and your wife both.

Chad: I don't know how I'm going to get that out of my brain because it's so lovely.

Joel: Tim we haven't talked to you. How was your holiday?

Tim: It was tremendous. I literally sat on the beach for a week and drank frozen drinks and had a [crosstalk 00:02:16] wonderful time.

Joel: You left the beautiful scape of Kalamazoo for beaches and drinks with umbrellas.

Tim: The grayness of Detroit and just went South.

Joel: I can't hate on that.

Chad: I can't hate that on that at all, and then we, what do we do? We get in the car the first thing out of January and we drive to Cleveland.

Joel: Which was beautiful by the way

Chad: It was pretty nice.

Joel: Which is pretty much beautiful for Cleveland. There's no snow in January, so it's lovely.

Chad: Yeah, and all we had to do is listen to sports talk-radio on the way. Listening to guys with these stupid predictions about who's going to be the Cleveland coach. It was fucking ridiculous.

Tim: I still think Baker can be our guy. I love Baker.

Joel: I still think we can get Belichick. I think we can do it. We can get Belichick and McDaniel and Tom Brady for next year.

Tim: You trade Baker for Belichick and Brady and then that's straight up. And your first round 2024.

Chad: All we need to do is make sure that we get Giselle a heated driveway. That's all we need to do. There won't be snow in their driveway. They'll be happy. It's like these guys are coming up with some of the shit.

Joel: That was literally part of the discussion. Tim, when Butch Davis moved there from Florida they bought a heated driveway so his wife wouldn't have to shovel snow.

Tim: By the way. I want that now. I'm calling somebody right now. I'm like, "Wait a minute. How do I get one of those?"

Chad: By the way, just so you know, there's snow that goes beyond the driveway that you still have to fucking drive in dumb asses. Oh yea, just don't want us to plow the snow first and foremost. If you make that much money, you don't shovel fucking snow.

Tim: No.

Chad: Ever. So that being said. [crosstalk 00:04:03] We want to jump into the 2019 predictions, and the first thing we talked about, I thought it was funny that Tim asked if this new guy at Ohio State was the right choice. Joel said that he didn't think so, and that a bigger name would actually come along. And I thought he deserved the up. They killed it last year and the guy was under Urban long enough. I thought Ryan Day would kick ass and take names.

Tim: But he lost, he lost a big game. He's not even in the National Championship game.

Joel: Coaching clearly lost it.

Chad: Not to Michigan state, he didn't.

Tim: No. So he's probably on the hot seat I would be guessing, down in Columbus.

Joel: I would say no, not after his first year. I'd say he's okay. So let's jump through with... Tim had the first, and we'll go again with Tim this year, but he said with the softening of the economy, he thought assessment science would be big in 2019.

Tim: Man, still on that.

Joel: Yeah, I don't know about that. I think assessment science and facial recognition got kicked in the nuts by [crosstalk 00:05:16].

Sound effect: "Game over, man! Game over!"

Chad: I'm still a believer.

Joel: Still a believer. Don't stop believing.

Chad: So, Joel's first prediction was one of these CEOs get fired either Monster's, Scott Gutz, Dice's, Art Zeile or Irina at CareerBuilder. They are all still in the [crosstalk 00:05:43].

Joel: I'm not sure that today we've confirmed Irina is still there. I still might be right on that prediction.

Tim: Let's say, everyone's still on the hot seat.

Joel: And by the way, everyone but Scott Gutz is gone at Monster, [crosstalk 00:05:56]. So I was really close on that one [crosstalk 00:05:58].

Chad: Yeah you were close, yeah.

Joel: But ultimately-

Tim: He got out in front of it and fired everybody else. Got the board to give him another year.

Chad: My first prediction was that the "candidate matching" becomes standard.

Tim: That's, that's a big no. Yeah. Oh, Lillian is still alive, unfortunately, and for some reason "candidate matching" is not something that has been received by the core platform.

Joel: We suck at this guys.

Tim: Yeah, I know. I can't wait to do our 2020.

Chad: I'm still a big believer in that "candidate matching".

Tim: I am too. I really am, but still.

Chad: My second pick was Microsoft acquires Upwards.

Tim: Yes. Oh, wait.

Chad: Joel's second prediction was ZipRecruiter files for IPO, which means you can't use that this year, Joel.

Joel: Yeah, I'm going to be earlier than that one. It'll be this year.

Chad: Tim's next was the consolidation of the event space. There's too much conference event going on. [crosstalk 00:06:53] Shit's got to consolidate.

Tim: It seems like every, it just got bigger. It got bigger.

Chad: Pretty much every idiot in the world now thinks they can run a conference. It's like "I have a conference tomorrow in my office. It's me and like five people that work for me".

Tim: You don't know how many people say, Oh, "Chad and Cheese. You should have your own conference".

Chad: You can just go fuck off. How about no?

Tim: "The Chad and Cheese Conference at the Olympia Club in Vegas".

Joel: That conference is poolside at Hooters in Vegas.

Tim: Spearmint Rhino.

Joel: $20 door fee for the K.

Chad: The last productions: Joel said LinkedIn wins against hiQ.

Joel: Jury's still out because it's going to the Supreme Court this year.

Tim: God damn it. Yeah. I don't think Supreme court's actually going to take it.

Chad: My last prediction was Google For Jobs displaces Indeed as the number one source for candidate traffic and a caveat Jobiak gets acquired. Neither one of those happened. And last but not least, Tim came up with this out of left fucking field. Gen Z consulting explodes.

Tim: Definitely. Oh wait, no, I saw a 90 year old woman at the last conference. She was a Gen Z consultant.

Joel: Does that count as exploding?

Tim: I'm going to go with "no".

Joel: So no explosion. [crosstalk 00:08:22] 2020 can't get any worse, that's the good news.

Tim: I'm very excited about our predictions for 2020 I think we should think a little bit harder about them during this next commercial break to see if we might want to change them at all.

Joel: Let's take a break and we'll get to 2020.

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Joel: I want to know how many Bitmojis Tim is fired off this morning alone.

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Joel: That shit's on fleek!

Chad: Oh, you're going to explain that one to the kids. All right, so as we like to do here on the show, we like to, first and foremost, push our guests out into the spotlight and allow Mr. Sackett to do the first prediction because we like to make fun of him first.

Joel: Yeah. This is the middle-school dance where we throw Tim out to the dance floor and let him start the party.

Tim: By the way, on my IG stories, when I was in Cayman, I'd have a little dancey on the bow of a boat and let's just say alcohol was involved.

Chad: Cayman's. Alcohol. Boat.

Tim: Yeah.

Joel: Speedo,

Tim: Well, no a Speedo, but you know.

Chad: Naked groups!

Tim: So my first one, and this is hard for me because I know we have such a personal kind of strong relationship between Indeed and I. So I think, Indeed is going to cut-

Joel: In jail.

Tim: Indeed is going to cut free organic traffic to the UK staffing vendors just like they did to the U S staffing vendors in 2019. 2020 UK get ready! Take one.

Joel: So Indeed peeps sticking it to everybody in 2020.

Tim: Hey, it's business, right?

Joel: It's for the quality of our users, Tim.

Tim: What they found out was, if you actually cut that free traffic to staffing firms, turns out staffing firms will actually pay to get it back. And so, it's not really about search quality, it's about "will you pay?" All that stuff.

Chad: Yes. Yeah.

Tim: So they're going to continue.

Joel: Here's my Indeed prediction. We all get a stuffy of the new Indeed groundhog this year as a "we love you".

Tim: I can tell you I won't.

Chad: Yeah, no you will. You will because Chad and cheese are going to be dedicated this year to actually having an Indeed groundhog with us on the stage.

Joel: We're working the hottest sponsorship of 2020 with the Indeed groundhog. You just wait, buddy.

Tim: Are you guys going to meet you in live Chad and Cheese for interactive?

Chad: Oh yeah. I don't see that happening. I could see that happening so yes, I I'm surprised. I'm surprised that staffing companies in the UK will be surprised and caught off guard when the rug is yanked out from underneath them when they are forced to actually pay for traffic.

Tim: Because the U.S. ones are still surprised. I still get U.S. staffing people calling me, asking me if I figured out how to get the free stuff back and I'm just like "never coming back".

Chad: Dude, they're making more money because what they did was get you on the heroin drip and then they ripped out the heroin from underneath your feet and then guess what? Charged a shit ton of cash for it. That's how they work it.

Sound effect: "Game over, man! Game over!"

Tim: Hey, by the way I'll say this: Indeed still works. We still pay for it for some things. We still sponsor some things. I'm not saying that it doesn't work, I'm just saying I wasn't happy to have to pay for it.

Joel: I hate paying for results and money.