Google Wins, Meta Spins, and a Recruitics Fail?

Football’s back, Google’s flexing its monopoly muscles, Zuck is rearranging the deck chairs at Meta, and Taco Bell’s AI drive-thru is out here drowning customers in 18,000 cups of water. Meanwhile, RecFest is heating up, Recruitics is shopping at the clearance rack, and fantasy football egos are already getting crushed. Oh—and did we mention Chipotle drones? Yeah, it’s that kind of episode. Grab a beer, brace yourself, and hit play.

PODCAST TRANSCRIPTION

Joel Cheesman (00:34.35)

Yeah, when this pods are rocking, don't come a knockin. Hey boys and girls, it's the Chad and Cheese podcast. I'm your cohost, Joel, world Liberty financial Cheesman.

The Chad (00:45.549)

This is Chad, great ASO out.

Joel Cheesman (00:48.878)

And on this episode, Google wins, Meta spins, and buy or sell, baby. Let's do this.

The Chad (00:54.669)

Yeah!

The Chad (00:59.365)

time for a beer.

Joel Cheesman (01:00.078)

You don't know world Liberty financial, Chad is that that's the, it's the, it's the Trump's latest, grift, public company that went, went IPO this week. So yeah, the grift continues. It's fun. It's fun. Everyone's getting rich except us. Us people.

The Chad (01:03.848)

what's up?

The Chad (01:08.493)

Jesus Christ.

The Chad (01:14.202)

Yeah?

The Chad (01:19.109)

I'm just gonna sit here and drink Irish red ale, Algarve, Portugal beer. This is my bloody net blushing bowl. It looks like it's lit, doesn't it?

Joel Cheesman (01:27.564)

blushing bull, whose, throat is slit apparently on the, they do, they do kill the bull after the bull fight, right? Or the, and the running of the bulls, do they kill the bull at the end of the race? Yeah, it seems, seems, seems like a waste. It seems like a good big waste of bull, bull sperm could be making more cows. That is nice. That is nice.

The Chad (01:36.003)

Bye!

I think so, yeah.

I would think so. I don't know why I'd keep them around. Maybe for next time? Weird.

Look at that, that's beautiful.

The Chad (01:56.938)

Not too bad, he does a good job. He does a very good job. So what's up?

Joel Cheesman (02:01.23)

What's up football's back, baby, I don't know if you realize this over in Europe But the buck the Bucks are back where they should have been to start the season at number one Notre Dame Notre Dame lost Alabama sucks. Good God Bama's done The only worse was Bella chicks, North Carolina team. my god, dude, like that was so bad LSU is good

The Chad (02:04.003)

Yes. Yes. OK.

The Chad (02:11.013)

I wouldn't go that far. Ooh, that was nasty. They got their asses handed to them and...

Pella check.

Joel Cheesman (02:29.267)

LSU that's my early sort of like watch out for the, think Penn State's overrated. I'm not buying, I'm not buying that.

The Chad (02:29.283)

Yes.

The Chad (02:35.501)

Yeah, but the OSU frickin Texas game was a shit show though. I mean from an offensive standpoint defenses were they were staying on fucking business defense was staying on fucking business man. But the offenses I mean they they needed to they really needed this competition right out of the gate to feel out where they're at. Now everybody is so down on arch manning poor kid. I know you'll be fine. yeah.

Joel Cheesman (02:44.27)

Joel Cheesman (02:54.871)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (03:01.792)

Where are you? you still, are you still bullish? Is this like a, gets a mulligan against Ohio state on the first, he'll be fine. True.

The Chad (03:04.835)

He's fine. He's fine against Matt Patricia, man. I mean, talking about the guy, NFL defensive coach who literally ran over quarterbacks in the NFL. yeah, I think he's going to be fine. I think it was good for him to actually get this test early on, give him a kick in the nuts and, you know, get him moving. Hopefully Julian saying he had a couple of good throws, but hell, he didn't have 150 yards and passing though. I don't believe so.

Joel Cheesman (03:24.056)

Mm-hmm.

The Chad (03:34.883)

Yeah, there.

Joel Cheesman (03:35.288)

Well, the receivers aren't any good, so you can't really expect it.

The Chad (03:37.541)

Whatever. my God. Like the best receiving core. Good God. They are going to have to find a running back. I mean, they've got a couple of good running backs, but we'll see. We'll see what happens. That O line is pretty stout. So they should be kicking ass. So we'll see. Maybe this was the two of the better teams in the nation. And that's just what it looks like when we start playing.

Joel Cheesman (03:43.049)

the receivers suck. God, they're awful. They're horrible. They're horrible.

Joel Cheesman (04:06.702)

Mm-hmm.

The Chad (04:06.713)

kind of like the beat teams and whatnot. We'll see if we run over them.

Joel Cheesman (04:10.05)

Yeah, the SEC's maybe down again this year. Who knows? Florida State, man, what

The Chad (04:15.575)

Yeah, fucking Alabama though. That was awesome.

Joel Cheesman (04:18.894)

Alabama. Yeah. Texas A I'll see. I'll see. geez, a lot of red meat on this show. Let's get to, let's get to shout out, shall we?

The Chad (04:24.729)

Yes.

Yes, I'm going to hit the first one. First shout out is to Nestle. Yes, the wonderfully chocolatey, sweet, velvety things that you love. You love to put in your mouth. Anyway, they just gave their CEO, Lorraine Friche, pretty much a kick in the nuts. The most abrupt pink slip that has happened in 2025. No exit package. That's right. No exit package. No subtly.

Joel Cheesman (04:56.716)

Hmm. There was an entry package, apparently.

The Chad (05:00.139)

no subtlety at all, all from hiding an office romance. So on the bright side, at least Loren wasn't caught on the Jumbotron making out with his subordinate at a Coldplay concert. With that out too, it could have been worse.

Joel Cheesman (05:12.424)

You

Joel Cheesman (05:20.11)

What's up with CEOs, man? Come on, come on. It's not that hard. You're CEO. Anyway, I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. Well.

The Chad (05:25.987)

Hmm. Yeah. Or make, make an SOP that anybody can date anybody. And then I mean, I don't know what the standard operating procedure is at Nestle, but I would say it's an old company. They probably.

Joel Cheesman (05:37.206)

I mean, they make so much money and they represent so many employees and the brand and shareholders. Like, come on. It's, it's just not that hard. It's not that hard. all right. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna start. gets laid early. I'm going to start early with a history lesson here, Chad.

The Chad (05:41.795)

Mm-hmm. Yep.

The Chad (05:47.237)

Keep it in your pants? Is that what you're saying?

The Chad (05:55.481)

Joel Cheesman (05:56.866)

My shout out goes out to Greg Louganis. A lot of our young listeners won't know Greg Louganis. If you were alive in the eighties, you remember Greg Louganis. Four Olympic medals. He won his first silver at 16 years old. Otherwise he got gold. He was an adopted kid.

The Chad (06:00.601)

No!

The Chad (06:04.453)

driver.

The Chad (06:09.838)

you do.

Joel Cheesman (06:21.74)

He was an, he was just an idol to many and he was in the news this week because he had to sell his gold medals to pay for relocating to Panama. So, so, so it peaked my interest to like, what, what is, what's the story behind Luganus? So he was, he was a gay man. He was diagnosed with HIV six months before the 88 Olympics. Can you imagine the, I mean, the Olympics are stressful enough.

The Chad (06:25.093)

Mm-hmm.

The Chad (06:35.151)

What?

The Chad (06:40.483)

Yeah. Yes.

The Chad (06:51.266)

No.

Joel Cheesman (06:51.502)

And, and in 88 HIV was a death sentence. So he competed and got a gold medal in 88 knowing that he, that he had HIV. Uh, his sponsorship opportunities were minimal to none because, uh, he didn't come out until 95, but it was pretty well known that he was, he was a gay man in 93. This is some Philadelphia, uh, Tom Hank shit. He had a party at the age of 33, which was his.

The Chad (06:54.777)

Jesus. Yeah.

The Chad (07:04.943)

Mm-hmm.

The Chad (07:16.303)

Hmm.

Joel Cheesman (07:20.462)

goodbye party. thought he was going to die. His health was fading. So imagine at 33, you're a national hero. have a thank you party. Thanks for playing. As we know, medication at the time, Magic Johnson was HIV positive, the drugs, lot of money went into funding. He obviously lived. When he retired, you'll love this. He embraced dog competitions.

The Chad (07:31.653)

Yeah. Yeah.

The Chad (07:40.933)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (07:49.324)

Because he said dogs were the one, you know, animal relationship he could have where there was, you know, there was love, there was, you know, there was no judgment there. It was just like the relationship and the dog, like not none of the politics that he lived with none of the sexual identity stuff like dogs. He really embraced, but anyway, he's, had some acting gigs throughout the rest of his life, a few other things that he did, but clearly he lived a very challenging life as an American Olympic hero.

The Chad (08:16.165)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (08:18.742)

And to sadness, he had to sell his gold medals. He's moving to Panama. I hope he finds happiness. He's around 60 years old now has a lot to lit lot lot of life left, but Greg Luganis little history lesson for those that don't know, but a real interesting story and a real, I guess, tragedy in some aspects, his life, but shout out to, to Greg Luganis.

The Chad (08:27.375)

Mm-hmm.

The Chad (08:41.967)

Yeah, it's amazing. If you follow Jeff Perlman at all, used to be SI reporter, guy's awesome, writes a ton of books and he has a great YouTube channel. He talks about a lot of these sports heroes that literally, they're living in shacks, you know, and they're having to their rings and those types of things. yeah. Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (08:48.514)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (09:02.541)

Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (09:07.246)

Especially Olympians, Mary Lou Retton, know you know as well back to the eighties, but she couldn't afford healthcare. Ended up getting sick. think she's okay now. The age of the Olympian, I think is fading fast. You only compete once every four years. You don't have any other skills apparently. The sponsorship thing dies out quickly. People move on.

The Chad (09:23.631)

Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (09:36.044)

No one watches the Olympics like they used to. It used to be a cultural event to watch the Olympics. Yeah.

The Chad (09:39.609)

I think that's the big thing is Diamond League happens all year round, right? You've got Diamond League, you've got sponsors for that, but it's definitely not the big thing that the Olympics are. But yet it is it is a fading. It is fading. It is fading. And that leads to my next shout out, which is kind of kind of fading. I don't I don't know what I don't know about that. Shout out to not thinking shit through. Go ahead and enroll that.

Joel Cheesman (09:48.238)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (09:53.698)

Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (09:58.242)

Bring us up, man. I don't want to bring us down too much.

The Chad (10:07.951)

beautiful beam footage, if you would.

Joel Cheesman (10:08.955)

Alright, check this out peeps.

The Chad (10:27.321)

Good drone use.

The Chad (10:46.649)

This guy's an idiot. I don't know who this guy is.

The Chad (11:00.645)

so again, empty apartments in Mission Hill up 93%, Fort Hill up 74%, and available apartments near Northeastern University jumped up 154%. Yeah, in and around Boston. So this isn't just an issue for landlords trying to make a buck. What about the local coffee shops, bars, restaurants who depend on students to generate revenues for their business? And schools all over the country. This isn't just

Joel Cheesman (11:10.446)

Boston.

Joel Cheesman (11:19.148)

Mm-hmm.

The Chad (11:30.207)

in Boston, this is happening everywhere, schools all over the country that usually make pretty much foreign students pay full freight for schooling, yeah, won't be seeing that money for a while. So shout out to another important item this administration just didn't think through.

Joel Cheesman (11:32.696)

Sure.

Joel Cheesman (11:38.616)

Full Freight, yep.

The Chad (11:51.257)

fuckers.

Joel Cheesman (11:51.838)

And, and, as a, as a married man to a professor, I see this in real time. she has a, she has a coworker, a professor who's an Indian and was literally concerned about going home to India. And would I have trouble getting back in now? She's a citizen, but shit like the shit's just weird now.

The Chad (11:59.459)

Yeah, I bet.

Joel Cheesman (12:15.154)

She's, she's doing the burner phone thing. Like she's doing everything that she can to make sure that she gets in without any issue. And if you're a, if you're a, if you're an international student or, the parents of that student, do you want to send your kid to America right now? I don't like I wouldn't, and it's a real problem because they, like you said, they pay full freight. There's no in-state tuition. There's no scholarships. Like they pay retail for college and a lot of colleges rely on.

The Chad (12:30.499)

No, no.

Joel Cheesman (12:43.668)

on those dollars. you know, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta get freebies when you can chat, which is, which is good that we can come in and give some free stuff away to people.

The Chad (12:52.783)

Cheddar and cheese has the free stuff and who wants free stuff? Everybody, everybody. You can get two bottles of whiskey. I don't know, you can have some chicken cock. That's right. One cock in each hand from the talent tech experts over at Van Hack. Who doesn't, Steven? T-shirts from those red shoe wearing weirdos over at Aeron App. If you haven't registered, gotta get, you're gonna get a t-shirt. I mean, come on.

Joel Cheesman (13:21.517)

Mm-hmm.

The Chad (13:22.337)

Craft beer from the job data geeks over at Aspen Tech Labs. That's right craft beer landing on your doorstep and if it's your birthday You're gonna get a little rum from plum. You could possibly win but you got to go to Chad cheese Tom slash free

Joel Cheesman (13:41.081)

By the way, Steven's going to need that chicken cock to, to ease his pain from his, his fantasy draft, which we'll get to in a second. All right. Celebrating another year around the sun is Olivia Marquette, Shani Underwood, Matt O'Dell, Eddell Feinberg, Scott Nelson, Stacey Saw, Gemma Jones, Matt Gardner, Marcy Mall, Rosie Pullman, Deb Clay, Charles Hunger, Ruxa Shaw, Rick Worley, Mike Brown, Chris Hoyt, Chris Murdock, James Ellis.

The Chad (13:45.925)

Yes.

Joel Cheesman (14:11.15)

Tiffany Anton and Bill Jaeger bombs on the house. Borman happy birthday. Everybody. How that guy is still around after as much as he parties is amazing. He's, he's a robot.

The Chad (14:16.185)

There we go.

The Chad (14:23.493)

No clue, no clue, but I love it. But I love every single bit of it. Joel, I don't know if you know or not, but we do have events coming up. Wreckfest is coming, kids. But first, I've got to talk about the elephant in the room. I've had so many people ask me. No, we're not going to HR Tech this year. The main reason, it's me, it's my fault. September is my favorite.

favorite month in the Algarth. instead of heading to Vegas for the third fucking time this year, we opted for Sunsand Amazing Food in Europe. But we are coming back for rec fest. Before we actually go there, though, we're going to Chicken Cock Whiskey HQ in Louisville, Kentucky with our friends at Havas. How could you not, Stephen?

Joel Cheesman (15:00.814)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (15:11.352)

Mm-hmm.

The Chad (15:17.637)

So if you're near Louisville and you'd like to pair a little chad and cheese with some chicken cock, you're gonna be in luck. Then we're headed to Nashville for RecFest where we're emceeing the disrupt stage on Wednesday plus we're also hosting talks with our friends over at Dalia and Covey. So Dalia, you might remember them. They're the ones who actually convert career site visitors into applicants and hires.

Joel Cheesman (15:24.557)

Mm-hmm.

The Chad (15:47.461)

And those Covey people, we probably never heard of Covey. It's first time I've heard of Covey. I like me some Covey. Covey are the makers of custom AI agents. And the funny part is Joel, actually, they're like top two clients are Deal and Rippling. I shit you not. And they asked, they're like, hey, can we get Deal and Rippling on stage? I'm like, I don't mind.

I think that would be fucking great. No matter who we get on stage kids, I guarantee you at RecFest we're gonna have some amazing, amazing discussions. And then, and then after day one on the, yes, after day one we're heading to the rooftop at Redneck Riviera, just like last year. That event is sponsored by Havas People and JobPixel, did I mention?

Joel Cheesman (16:28.074)

There's more? Good God. Are you trying to kill your co-host?

The Chad (16:41.285)

Now, I don't know if I mentioned or not that Omar was asking that we mentioned job pixel more, know, job pixel, the, yeah, job pixel. Anyway, yeah, no, job pixel. Yeah, job pixel. Ah, that's what he said. Anyway, but our new friends, Havas People, what better company to have at a party than Havas People? They are the activation experts and we expect a lot of activation and a lot of whiskey at Redneck Riviera. So get ready, kids.

Joel Cheesman (16:48.408)

JobPixel? J-O-B-P-I-X-E-L, JobPixel? Mention them more? Okay.

The Chad (17:10.785)

Get ready. Event season's almost upon us.

Joel Cheesman (17:13.43)

I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm taking September off to get ready for October and November. Jesus Christ. Fortunately, I have football of the fantasy kind to keep me entertained. Chad, know, fantasy football is sponsored by our friends at FAT factory fix. We're in the, we're in the colors today. so the draft grades are in, we drafted last night. So here, here's the,

The Chad (17:18.648)

Hahaha

The Chad (17:24.138)

let's hear it.

The Chad (17:31.909)

factory fix. That looks good.

The Chad (17:40.517)

Mmm.

Joel Cheesman (17:42.349)

Here's the, here's the grades ready. Okay. David, David Stiefel and I both got an a plus, you know, that's very nice. Yeah. Which guarantees that we're not going to win. Cause everyone who gets like a plus is never when, you came in with an a reputable, reputable, respectable, William Carrington, which is the factory fix, affiliate in this competition got a D. it's not very good.

The Chad (17:44.58)

Okay.

The Chad (17:50.617)

Very nice. Very nice. Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (18:12.106)

Courtney Napo C Jada Weiler C. Okay. Jason Putnam. He changed his name to shake it offense a little owed to, to, Taylor Swift. got to be minus, Jeremy, Jeremy Roberts, D minus, Megan Rattigan whose name is now who drafted Kelsey, which is kind of got a D plus. that's not very good. Mackenzie Maitland.

The Chad (18:17.124)

Okay.

The Chad (18:24.101)

Ha

it. I love it. Good.

The Chad (18:36.067)

You

Joel Cheesman (18:41.824)

A B minus respectable, gingerdod's A minus.

Joel Cheesman (18:47.608)

And I really, hate to do this. I really do. hate to do this to our friend, Steven, because you know that we love Steven.

The Chad (18:47.911)

here we go. Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (19:02.638)

Unfortunately, got an F grade in his draft. So he's not starting off on the right foot, if you will.

The Chad (19:09.579)

Dude!

my God. Okay, so for me and for Steven, the draft was at 1 a.m., right? And you know me, I'm a long play kind of guy. It's like, look, you're not gonna win the season in the first two, right? This is all about transactions, moving players, free agents, that kind of stuff, yeah. Anyway, I have a message when I wake up from Steven, and it says,

Joel Cheesman (19:18.211)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (19:32.856)

Yeah, be a GM. Yep.

The Chad (19:40.357)

Are you waiting for this damn draft thing? And I was like, no, I let the robots do that shit for me. And then I managed my team through the season. And obviously the robots did pretty well because I got an A and unfortunately, Steven, you got an F.

Joel Cheesman (19:50.314)

Mm-hmm. Yep.

Joel Cheesman (19:59.299)

Yeah, yeah. in his defense, he's a rookie. He may do like rugby fantasy. I don't know if that's a thing over in Scotland, but this is his first, you American thing. And, and, he wanted to redeem the train wreck. That was the Adam Gordon, show last, last season. And, and it, I know he loves it, but he wanted it.

The Chad (20:03.865)

He is a rookie.

The Chad (20:15.909)

You

You know how much he loves when you mention this. He did one. He asked for it. No, he asked for it. He asked for it. He asked for it. He asked for it.

Joel Cheesman (20:24.662)

He wanted to be a part of it and he talked a lot of shit when he was doing well at the beginning. So he deserves it. But, but, but as he was on the team, Steven messaged me he said, because I told him Adam auto drafted, he slept through it and he said, geez, do I have to be awake for this thing? we're like, no, can all draft. Steven was like, I'm, I'm going to be awake. Like you should have picked me. I'm going to be awake for this. And he was so to his credit, he's a rookie. stayed up. The F grade is not awesome.

The Chad (20:39.245)

yeah.

The Chad (20:49.317)

Yeah? Yeah? Yeah?

You

Joel Cheesman (20:54.446)

but he has time to redeem himself and, all the international players should be rooting for him because he may be the last chance to get another international player based on the performance by the past international players and fantasy Jasper. Adam. Yeah. Is that, is that okay? That's like, that's like America's little brother, Australia. I don't consider them as international.

The Chad (21:00.815)

Yes.

The Chad (21:08.429)

Yeah, the Australians did well last year though.

They did. Yeah.

The Chad (21:19.333)

It's because they were convicts we're all convicts. Yeah, that's good.

Joel Cheesman (21:23.426)

And they sent me a lot of fosters. they get a pass. Can they get a pass for that, I guess? All right. Should we do some topics? Save us.

The Chad (21:29.749)

Good call,

The Chad (21:37.061)

This beer's going down so fast. Look at that. So good.

Joel Cheesman (21:37.282)

Big G is so, my God, dude. Do you need a second to get a refill on that?

The Chad (21:43.717)

Unfortunately, he only gave me one. This is a new batch. Anyway, I'll get more.

Joel Cheesman (21:47.137)

that's it. The beer is empty. shit. wow. Who are you? Who are you? All right. You're traveling. All right. All right. All right. Big, big G is so back baby. a judge ruled this week that Google doesn't have to sell Chrome solidifying their 90 % search monopoly and clearing the way to retain the status quo with other businesses and keeping the Apple default search deal intact.

The Chad (21:54.853)

We're traveling. I'm traveling tomorrow. Yeah, so I'm trying to get it out of my beard.

Joel Cheesman (22:16.342)

somewhere around $20 billion, which is nice. That'll buy a lot of beer actually. It was news that helped bury the story that 35 % of Google managers overseeing small teams were eliminated. Chad, as the only Android user that I know, I feel you're uniquely qualified to give us a take on all the Google goodness from this week.

The Chad (22:21.539)

Yes.

The Chad (22:39.045)

You don't know many people. the Chrome thing is kind of interesting because they have to share data with competitors, right? And we all know data is the new gold. So you start taking a look at Perplexity and their Comet browser and a lot of these other, there's going to be a browser war again and it's gonna feel like AltaVista all over again, Browser, yeah.

Joel Cheesman (22:47.566)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (23:02.136)

Browser or search? Browser war, okay.

The Chad (23:05.349)

Yeah, it's going to be a browser war. mean, that's where everything takes place pretty much when we're on our desktops. Anyway, so we talk about the actual culling. let's say this is what happens when the business landscape shifts. AI has shifted the landscape, but a bigger shift has been in politics. Tariffs might not directly impact tech bro companies like Google, but they're still going to feel

the heat as companies and consumers spend less. The easiest thing to do when you're trying to make your balance sheet look good is cut middle management first, and that's what they're doing. But remember, we're in a state of the worst workforce imbalance to jobs, probably in history. We're running migrants out of the country. Nobody wants to do those jobs. So we're seeing negative impacts on the supply chain.

And when you don't have people to work farms, drive trucks, work the docks and tons of other jobs, who's gonna do it, right? Well, the people that Google's laying off, not them. They're not doing these jobs. The people that the federal government let go, the hundreds of thousands, they're not going to do these jobs, right? So this is just gonna add to the workforce imbalance that we have, unfortunately, but this move...

Joel Cheesman (24:14.508)

not gonna do it.

The Chad (24:31.119)

by Google is more than a canary in the coal mine. It's like a flock of dead canaries. This is a bad signal, kids. It really is.

Joel Cheesman (24:44.472)

So Google's a fascinating company that I've been fascinated with for a very long time. They have seven products that have over a billion users. I mean, that's amazing. So the fact that they were able to get Chrome a pass when they have that much power and monopoly in the digital world is really fascinating. You mentioned the political landscape.

The Chad (25:10.212)

Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (25:10.606)

I mean, they were on stage, during the inauguration. don't know if there was a call put in a little favor. like the antitrust issues have kind of gone away that were there in the Biden administration. So is this a free pass to sort of go to town on acquisitions and, and the big book, the, the, the big get bigger, the more the richer, get richer, more or less seven companies are propping up our entire economy. which is.

The Chad (25:22.511)

Yeah.

The Chad (25:38.021)

and all tech companies. Yes.

Joel Cheesman (25:39.151)

which is scary in and of itself, but we're going to keep this ball rolling and see where it takes us. Diversity is good in the long-term for Google. I was thinking about this today, or as I was researching this story, I haven't clicked on a link. I don't know the last time I clicked on a link. If I Google something, I get the answer and I'm done.

I don't click on an ad. don't click on a organic link. Like usually the answer I get is good enough for me, unless I'm looking for like a location or a restaurant or something to go to. I don't usually click on stuff. And I know that I'm not everybody. And I know that Google's revenues are going up. know that they're advertising. Revvers are going up. So they're doing something right. But long-term, I just, if I'm the search engine, I don't, I don't see Google search being a thing in 20 years.

The Chad (26:09.103)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (26:32.546)

Maybe that's just me. Things take a long time to die, but I love that they're diversifying. think Waymo is a, is a monster ready to, to, to pounce on, on the industry. think that's their next billion dollar potential, business, but diversification is key. They got this deal, which is great. Chrome is unique to our industry as well. there are hundreds of Chrome extensions in recruitment. it's, it's ridiculous. mean, LinkedIn, like automated LinkedIn stuff.

The Chad (26:45.285)

Mm.

Joel Cheesman (27:01.902)

everyone like sourcing there's so a lot of vendors in our space are breathing a sigh of relief that Google Chrome isn't going away or doesn't, isn't going to change because they make their living, doing that. I am curious. always thought Apple needed to get into search, but I thought they weren't getting into search because they relieved that Google was going to get pinched for it for antitrust. I'm curious. said a, a browser war. think there could be a search war to some degree.

perplexity was in the bidding to get Chrome. They need to make a play Apple. They're kind of dancing around open AI and are they going to keep the Google thing? So I think this could, could be a real revolution in search as well and how that evolves. We've got a Johnny Ives product, which is eventually going to come down the pike at some point. so that's interesting. I. It's hard to beat Google, man. if you can't beat them, join them. So.

The Chad (27:32.378)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (28:00.27)

Here we go.

The Chad (28:00.281)

Yeah, actually, especially when they're not going to broke up and they're not going to see any antitrust anytime soon. Right. Especially with this administration. Yeah. The thing is, and we really need to disassociate the market from real world people on the ground and how they're being impacted because it's not the same. Right. The market is being propped up, but those are AI and tech jobs. Right.

Joel Cheesman (28:09.954)

Yeah, the rails are off, The guard rails are off.

The Chad (28:30.069)

not the jobs that are actually open that nobody's going to do. I mean, there's this imbalance that's actually happening. So the market looks really good. And here Kevin, what's his fuck from Shark Tank talking about where the market's so good. Well, yeah, for assholes like you, that's where you get all your fucking money. I totally get that. But what about the common person, right? That they are being impacted so negatively right now. You cannot correlate the market to what's actually happening right now. So totally get that.

Joel Cheesman (28:33.997)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (28:49.358)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (28:58.478)

Sure. Main Street, Wall Street.

The Chad (28:59.981)

AI is propping up the market. Yeah, it is. NVIDIA, I mean all the big tech companies, they're propping the market up right now.

Joel Cheesman (29:06.988)

Yeah. If you, if you live through the late nineties, this is starting to smell very similar to what was going on back then. mean, there's a ton of froth, big bubble. People were getting money just because they had AI and that case it was a.com in this case it's AI. mean, like it's, it's going to pop. We just don't know if it's three years from now or next week. So, stay tuned to our show. We should be around in three years or five years because we got nothing else, nothing else to do.

The Chad (29:13.669)

the fifth

Yes.

The Chad (29:32.869)

We're going to be around talking about it.

Joel Cheesman (29:36.312)

But they should have you done a, have you done a job search on Google recently? The Google for jobs. It's an every, every first result that I saw was the company website. Like it was just company website and then you got indeed and everybody else. Like that has to be impacting job boards.

The Chad (29:40.491)

I have not,

The Chad (29:47.555)

Yeah, makes sense.

The Chad (29:54.577)

Which they should have done way back in the fucking day, but Google, you were too fucking lazy. I remember, yeah, I know, but they could have made a shit ton of cash off of a lot of these companies. mean, they literally, they're the ones who made Indeed Indeed, period. They did. And look at what we have to deal with today. Fuckers.

Joel Cheesman (30:00.515)

Well, too greedy, too. All the money they were making off of.

Joel Cheesman (30:18.402)

All right, let's get to our next news story. Recruitics has acquired ChangeState, a recruitment marketing agency founded back in 2019 to expand its platform with candidate experience, analytics, and consulting services. The acquisition aims to enhance Recruitics talent attraction and hiring capabilities. Recruitics previous acquisitions include Jamir, an end-to-end employer brand video site in 2023.

The Chad (30:22.426)

Mmm.

Joel Cheesman (30:46.892)

the recruitment marketing agency, KRT marketing in 2019, which I believe was our hold my beer moment. Chad, from the AK, you can, you can wax on that if you want, recruit X buys change state your thoughts.

The Chad (30:54.467)

Yes, it was. Yep.

The Chad (31:04.341)

It's a math kind of moment. mean, it's weird because as vision and priority shift for companies away from humans, Recruitics doubles down on humans with this acquisition. ChangeState isn't a big agency. I can't imagine their portfolio is that big. And what about the redundancy that they're going to have with Bayard, right? Here's a quote from Adam Stafford, there's the CEO over at Recruitics, quote,

The acquisition accelerates our vision to deliver the most comprehensive AI driven recruitment solutions on the market." quote. Okay, so I have questions. Does ChangeState have new programmatic tech that we're not aware of? That's number one. Number two, if that is the case, kind of a follow-up, then they suck at marketing and they're a recruitment advertising firm, right? So Adam's statement doesn't really hold water to me.

Or was it ChangeState's survey tool, which was designed to gauge and improve candidate experience? A survey, did they buy them for a survey tool? No matter, no matter. I digress. Congrats to Graham Thornton, CEO and co-founder of ChangeState. None of this makes sense to me, but that doesn't matter. You're a part of Recruitics now. One thing that does make sense.

I'm going to throw this in there just kind of like a little ad, is that Engagedly just acquired Butterfly.ai, which boosts their frontline first strategy. And have you noticed this? There's a theme. Smart Recruiters was acquired by SAP. Tons of focus on frontline hiring verbiage. Paradox acquired by Workday.

Joel Cheesman (32:35.182)

Spitball it, man. Spitball it.

The Chad (33:00.247)

More mentions of frontline hiring. You've got to give it to the team over it engagedly. They're paying attention. Congrats on the acquisition. I don't get the Recruitics move. I totally do not understand the Recruitics move. Doesn't mean it's wrong. I just don't get it. Adam and Recruitics and televity, you guys need to do a better job, a better job of telling your story. We talked about smart recruiters telling a great story, paradox telling a great story.

Joel Cheesman (33:05.421)

Mm-hmm.

The Chad (33:29.283)

You guys are in recruitment marketing slash advertising. Get your beard people going and tell a better story because right now I don't know what the fuck that is.

Joel Cheesman (33:41.23)

Wait a minute, Workday about paradox? I hadn't heard.

That's nowhere on my feed. Yeah, this isn't exactly AppCast buying Bayard, it? Change date is a pimple on the ass of the recruitment industry.

The Chad (33:49.637)

The Chad (33:58.447)

My bad, I meant KRT, not Baird. My bad, good call.

Joel Cheesman (34:01.922)

That's okay. We have such a smart audience. They, they, they obviously filled in the, filled in the blanks there. look, you mentioned marketing. love this. you know, I, I love to see what their social media footprint and their marketing footprint is. Okay. So change state has a podcast that apparently no one listens to. They have an Instagram page that no one follows and they have a LinkedIn page with fewer fans than us. We're two dudes with a mic. Okay.

The Chad (34:06.341)

I'm sure, I'm sure.

Joel Cheesman (34:31.362)

they're a marketing team, all right? If they can't figure out company, right? They have a whole, this is what they do. they've, it's just, it's very telling when you look at a company's like what they're doing on social media and if they have any impact on how successful and how good the company is. If they're a marketing firm, okay? Their marketing stinks. And you could say like, well, the,

The Chad (34:34.393)

marketing company. Yes. Yes.

Joel Cheesman (34:59.662)

It's the, it's the shoemaker whose kids have the oldest, worst shoes or whatever, but I'm not buying that. You, if you're a marketing agency, you have to bring, bring it dude. Uh, which they haven't. So I don't know. They're six years old. have co-founders. Only one of them is joining Recruitics. I don't know if there was maybe two founders. I want to do something else. Let's sell the company. My guess is this is, this was some TJ Maxx clearance rack stuff.

Uh, they, they probably knew the gang at Recruiting said, Hey, you guys want to buy us and Recruiting's let's be honest. They're floundering too. Uh, I they lost CEO. Uh, think they're on a new chief product officer. They just hired recently SVP of sale. they're, they're, they're turning people as well. Uh, they're, they're, their numbers are not great. I mean, their head, head count growth is down 29 % over the last two years.

So they have problems as well. So as far as I can see, this is like one failing marketing agency getting acquired by a flailing, not failing yet, but like just kind of rudderless, Recruitics company, which has a really good history of producing really good results for clients. So get your shit together. I don't know if this is the marriage that's going to make it work, but I have my doubts. have my doubts, Chad. However, what I don't doubt.

The Chad (36:14.179)

Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (36:20.108)

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Joel Cheesman (36:38.156)

Your boy, Zuck is in the news again. Chad meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg is going a significant leadership reorganization, prioritizing AI development. The shift has led to the departure of several longtime employees and the arrival of new executives that are stirring the pot. While some celebrate the new hires, others criticize the company's moves. Zuck is shaken up. Meta Chad, your thoughts.

The Chad (36:41.102)

Fucks up.

The Chad (37:05.797)

This is some kind of keeping up with the Joneses bullshit right here. So Mark, his neighbor, Sam, gets a new car or a new pool, and Zuck thinks, you know, I need one of those. It'll make life better, right? Ha! Generally, and for a number of reasons, that's not the case. So last week, I talked about MIT's research and that.

demonstrated business leaders have no fucking clue what they're doing in building, implementing, or even using AI. That's a human problem, not an AI problem. In this case, it feels like Zuck just wants what open AI has, right? It's the same case. Facebook wants to catch up so badly that they start making decisions before the plan is ever devised, let alone...

Even half baked. This doesn't even feel half baked. It doesn't feel like a plan at all. Facebook's move fast and break things mantra is literally severe holes in them. And these types of moves expose the holes even more. So luckily, Facebook has more money than cents, and they're going to throw every fucking dollar they can at this problem until they feel like it's fixed or it breaks society. Whatever happens first because

Facebook likes to do one or the other, likes to fix something or break society. Now, what does this mean to Facebook's brand for future poaching schemes? $100 million is a ton of cash, although that might not be enough for some of these people to sell their souls.

Joel Cheesman (38:47.982)

Speaking of poaching, it's a good time to maybe make some calls to Meta if you're looking to recruit some talent out of Facebook and Meta. So according to the story, a former OpenAI researcher went through Meta's onboarding process and ghosted him. Didn't show up on day one, which is pretty unprofessional, but also pretty funny, I guess. I was thinking about this. Zuck is one of the last founding CEOs in tech. It's like Elon and Zuck.

The Chad (38:51.653)

You

The Chad (39:14.607)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (39:17.42)

I can't think of anyone else that's still around at the original company. So.

The Chad (39:21.285)

I don't know that Elon is a founder of any of those. I think he bought into it and then he named himself a founder. yeah. Zuck is a true founder, yeah.

Joel Cheesman (39:25.484)

That's true. That's true. I stand corrected on Elon. Yeah, I do. I do stand corrected on Elon. but I was thinking about if, if face, if Meta had laid off or Zuck had retired and they hired a new CEO and the new CEO is like, I'm going to shake it up. I'm going to hire new people, shuffle positions. People are going to leave. Would we celebrate that? Probably.

The Chad (39:41.221)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (39:54.191)

You know, Hey, this company needs a shakeup. needs some new blood. needs to like, uh, just rethink what it's doing. Um, so I, I'm not hating on this. Uh, like I think it's, takes a lot of courage to like throw out the, throw out the, you know, the, the sacred cows of an organization and like put in some new stuff. Will it work? I don't know, but I'm not hating on actually doing it. The worst thing is like just keeping the course and slowly fading away into oblivion, which a lot of companies do.

The Chad (40:22.308)

Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (40:22.464)

So, I'm not hating on it. I get the reaction that it sucks. The stock is up 22 % year to date. So I'm pretty sure shareholders are okay with it as well. so I'm here for it. I'm here for the Zuck Wars, baby. Zuck is, Zuck is all pimped out and like black teas and curly hair and a big gold chain. He's taken Kung Fu lessons and shit. Like I'm here for it. I'm ready. He's, he's judo chopping everybody.

The Chad (40:32.364)

or making money. Yeah.

The Chad (40:46.213)

Cough.

Joel Cheesman (40:51.884)

He's judo chopping everybody. Yeah. He is Kung Fu fighting. Speaking of Kung Fu fighting, let's do a little buyer sell Chad, which we haven't done in a while. If you are not familiar with buyer sell, we talk about three companies that have gotten funding recently. read a summary and both Chad and I will either buy or sell the company. Let's get ready to rumble. First up we have Darwin AI.

The Chad (40:52.133)

He's kung fu fighting. He's kung fu fighting.

The Chad (41:00.676)

Yes.

Joel Cheesman (41:17.302)

A Sao Paulo based digital AI worker solution for all your sales, customer service and onboarding needs has raised $4.5 million in seed funding, bringing its total to $7 million. The funds will be used to accelerate growth in Latin America and product development for mid-market companies. Chad, are you a buyer sell on Darwin AI?

The Chad (41:39.225)

So this from their LinkedIn page, quote, delegate 50 % of your customer conversations to Darwin AI, end quote. What kind of discussions? Sales qualifications, post sales, collections, and support for really boring and shitty jobs. And when something is boring and shitty, that means a lot of turnover. And turnover means more hiring and onboarding and money.

And the cycle is over and over and over. So in this case, Darwin seems to be, you know, something that you can sell to CROs, COOs, CFOs and COOs or CEOs, the people with the money, right? So only two years in, they're at 2 million ARR. And I see that number skyrocketing in the next 12 months. So this to me is a buy. You go around CHROs.

directly to the people that need the people and they have the money, it's a buy.

Joel Cheesman (42:40.012)

Yup. Bring on the agents, baby. Bring on the agents. I love this. this is what we've been here for, for the last 12 months. we've got Sentra, these guys, like, this is going to be chat bot 2.0, just like chat bots had Alio and Maya and ex X or, and Wade Wendy and like the trend, the trend is awesome. Like I think we both know this is where shit's going.

The Chad (42:48.197)

Yeah.

The Chad (42:58.669)

Yeah. Paradox.

The Chad (43:07.161)

Yes.

Joel Cheesman (43:07.586)

We just don't know who's going to be the winner. Who's going to, who's going to be Maya and who's going to be paradox. We don't have any clue at this point. I assume that'll be fleshed out, in the next 12, 18 months or so, but I'm here for it. you know, I love a good wave chat. This is the wave that I, that I want to be talking about and hope that we've talked, I hope we're talking about over the next 12, 24 months. this for me as well as a, is a big buy, but pretty much any agent company, unless it really sucks.

The Chad (43:12.537)

Yes. Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (43:36.737)

really sucks is going to get a buy from me. This one less sure where we're going to go with this one. Welcome Tech, a digital platform connecting immigrant workforces with US employers has raised $7.5 million to expand its AI infrastructure and workforce engagement platform. The funding will support the development of AI capabilities to enhance access and reduce costs for immigrant workers.

The Chad (43:37.828)

Ha ha ha!

The Chad (43:42.661)

Yeah, okay, okay, okay.

The Chad (44:01.893)

Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (44:02.198)

Welcome techs platform is being adopted across industries facing labor shortages, such as hospitality and construction. Chad, are you a buyer sell on welcome tech?

The Chad (44:13.669)

So on the immigration side of the house, we've talked to, know, Professor Zeke a couple of times about this and the state of the world today has been framed as an us versus them narrative. Yes, it's totally false, but that's the narrative and that's the one that's being pushed. In the US, illegal immigrants paid nearly $100 billion in taxes and those taxes go towards services that they will never get to use, but still.

they pay, right? Polish were mainstay hires for companies in the UK who needed lorry or truck drivers. Immigration needs to be really hit on the head with some of these platforms and help companies and governments truly understand the makeup of the talent ecosystem in our country. That's the big key.

If you can start to rip away all this bullshit narrative that's happening and show literally what's going on, who's providing the services, the immigrants versus people, obviously citizens that live there, you can start to really understand what the workforce looks like. And we really don't have a good enough understanding of that right now. So for me, I think it's more from the heart, but this is a, this is a buy for me.

Joel Cheesman (45:42.159)

I wanted to like this one. I really did. to me, felt a lot like. Remember the early days of job boards, like somebody would launch diversity jobs.com and just because they call it diversity somehow method, it magically attracted a diverse audience when reality, they were just slapping diversity jobs, putting some stock images of diverse people. And then companies would pay them money because they had to prove to the EOC that they were.

The Chad (45:42.302)

Well.

Joel Cheesman (46:11.534)

a wide net to get as many people as possible. So this feels like any other sort of back office software and they're slapping immigrant on it to somehow appeal to people who want to attract immigrants, which I guess could potentially work for me if we weren't in like the worst culture for immigrants that I've ever seen in my lifetime.

The Chad (46:11.941)

crying.

The Chad (46:24.047)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (46:39.722)

I think companies would even be cautious about using a service like this because they might get in trouble by the feds for being too woke. So I, I don't know if companies are going to touch this thing. I, it doesn't feel like it's uniquely immigrant or like, how are immigrants going to find it? Like there are so many problems. How do they market this thing to immigrants? Do the companies market it for them? Like

Are there ads on the border saying, go to, know, go to this site, go to welcome tech, and get hooked up, which sounds like a trap if I'm an immigrant. So I, I just think there are too many layers of stinky onion on this, on this, on this startup. And I, I'm a, I'm a cell. I'm a, I wanted to like it, Chad. I wanted to like it. let's get to our third, our third, startup. No, it's not a sex robot named Lily. It's Insta Lily.

The Chad (47:25.688)

I feel ya.

Joel Cheesman (47:32.791)

but it would be a whole lot cooler if it was a robot named Lily. they race, they raised $25 million in series a funding to expand its insta workers platform. That's trademarked by the way, Chad. So you can't use it, which autonomously executes workflows and enterprise systems. The platform designed to augment human capacity is already deployed by high profile customers and will expand to additional verticals with the new funding. Release the agents.

Chad, are you a buyer sell on Insta-Lily?

The Chad (48:05.455)

So the founder and CEO, Amit Shah, is a very smart dude, but not smart enough to stay away from the talent industry. With time at 1800flowers.com as president and a member of the Blue Apron Board of Directors, this feels like another successful business person who will be sucked up, chewed up, and spat out of the HR industry. For me, it's a sell.

You've got to understand this industry to try to get involved in the industry. And just because you're a good and or very successful business person doesn't mean you know this industry.

Joel Cheesman (48:50.668)

I felt similarly Chad, when I first started to open the book on this company. but I watched the demo. This shit's, this shit's bad ass unless they're fake in the video, which isn't, isn't beyond, isn't beyond the realm of, of, yeah, it could be total smoke and mirror show, but this, this thing is like legit co-pilot. if I'm a salesperson customer service, like the stuff this, this thing will do.

The Chad (49:06.275)

L'Eau-Clarna action.

Joel Cheesman (49:20.29)

with the backend intelligence, sourcing news and like, it'll know if you're, if someone's is a prospect, it'll know the news of the company and is there a trigger to like call them because of the news story? Like it's, it's, it's a little bit like, you know, when I launched, when I had poach, the idea was as a recruiter, you would know sort of what's going on with sentiment and is it good news or bad news? That's kind of what they're doing with this. and I, yeah, I think it's, I think it's, but I think the name sucks. The name blows chunks.

The Chad (49:32.57)

Mm.

Joel Cheesman (49:50.371)

But as far as a, as far as, as far as a business dude, it's co-pilot it's agent. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in. Let's take a quick break guys. If you, if you're not watching us on YouTube, I don't, you have no taste because our beautiful mugs can be on your, on your screens all over the place. Yeah. Soccer jerseys and a hundred percent guild and heavy teas all over the place with this show.

The Chad (50:06.053)

I'm missing this sexy keeper shirt.

Joel Cheesman (50:17.918)

Subscribe on YouTube, youtube.com slash at Chad cheese. We'll be right back.

Joel Cheesman (50:28.588)

What a week for restaurants, Chad. And I'm not talking about my, my dietary activities. let's start with Taco Bell. Yeah. My, my six hour fast is starting to, starting to wear on me a little bit. Taco Bell is reconsidering its use of AI and drive through restaurants after videos of the technology making mistakes went viral. In one clip, a customer crashes the system by ordering 18,000

The Chad (50:35.723)

fasting.

Joel Cheesman (50:58.806)

waters. no, no. Chad, this is why we can't have nice things. But wait, there's more. Buffalo Wild Wings will pay $47,500 to settle a religious discrimination lawsuit thanks to a server candidate passed over because of her quote, religious attire, end quote. And we've saved the best for last, Chad. We've saved the best for last. The best is always Chipotle. And that's the case here as well. But

Let me introduce you to the word zip poltley and era, an aerial drone delivery service in partnership with zip line beginning in Dallas, Texas, with a broader plan of rollout, in store for this year. Check out this video chat if you haven't already.

The Chad (51:29.52)

yes.

Joel Cheesman (51:51.886)

Thanks.

Joel Cheesman (51:58.959)

So it's on a zip line from the drone.

Joel Cheesman (52:14.026)

I hope that thing is BB gun proof because there's going be a lot of rednecks trying to shoot that thing out of the sky in Dallas, Texas. I had to check and see if it was April fool's day when I saw that thing. Cause I was like, somebody's playing a joke with a little string on a robot. Like, no, it's literally it's a zip line thing and it drops it. And then it pulls it back up.

The Chad (52:16.677)

You

The Chad (52:31.237)

that.

The Chad (52:38.381)

It does look like seventies effects, like special effects. It's fucking awesome. and Taco Bell, it's, it's going to get better. They're going to put thresholds in place. They're going to go through all this stuff. It's not going to be that big of a deal. You're going to order 18,000 waters. And then the AI is going to come back and say, okay, you're worth.

Joel Cheesman (52:43.256)

Totally, it looks like a joke. It looks like a joke, like you're kidding me. Yeah, yeah.

Joel Cheesman (52:55.661)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (52:59.758)

Haha, very funny.

The Chad (53:03.843)

We're not going to drown you. OK, you can you can have five at most or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, get out of here, asshole. The BW3 thing, I mean that to me, whether it was religion or not, this manager was making fun of somebody because of the way they dressed. Not because of the way that they could perspire, they could or could not do the job, but the way that they dressed.

Joel Cheesman (53:07.788)

Yeah, no Mexican pizza for you.

The Chad (53:32.479)

And I mean, if there are standard, obviously protocols for the uniform, well, then you just have to make sure that they know that right out front. But this to me was kind of like a mean girls scenario. It's just like, you just want to smack somebody like that. Is somebody so. Sad about their lot in life as a manager of BW three is that they have to pick on somebody.

I mean, that to me is just, that's the sad part. No, I haven't,

Joel Cheesman (54:01.857)

mean, have you been to a B dubs recently? Probably not. It ain't the nineties anymore at BW threes, but Chad, I know it's been a while since you've been there, but, what what's on the TV at B dubs? What's on all the TVs? Sports sports. When, when do people more embrace God than when they're watching sports? Please God make this feel go, please God make this putt, please God. So I think they should have more religious people.

The Chad (54:12.964)

Yes.

football, yeah.

Joel Cheesman (54:30.606)

In B dubs, I wouldn't mind a minister there, maybe a rabbi. Give me somebody I can pray with when the game is on the line and my team is, is, you know, trying to score at the end of the game. Just me, Chad, just me. Like it could be a whole, it could be a whole new aspect, like a little, a little, a little chapel in the corner or a little religious something you could do there. I don't know. Maybe, maybe that's a bad idea. Unlike the good ideas, which I get every, every week when I look at my dad jokes.

The Chad (54:43.129)

They probably already have that in South Bend with Notre Dame.

Joel Cheesman (54:59.384)

book, Chad. That's right.

Joel Cheesman (55:05.112)

Keeping it clean, what's the best part about living in Switzerland, Chad? What's the best part about living in Switzerland?

The Chad (55:14.319)

the chocolate.

Joel Cheesman (55:16.268)

I'm not sure, but the flag is a big plus.

Joel Cheesman (55:24.354)

Football's back, baby. We out.

The Chad (55:26.383)

We out.