Down Goes Slack!

Guess who's back.... Back again... Chad's back... Tell a friend...

After a 3 week vacation in Europe Chad is back and ready to jump back into the Chad & Cheese Podcast fray by talking:

- LinkedIn's assault on ZipRecruiter's SMB market

- Pared focuses on Snag's hospitality peeps (and clients)

- Google Duplex is scary and... in public testing

- Step aside Blue and Watson IBM's "Project Debater" is here!

- Microsoft, Salesforce, Amazon and Comcast invest in Huh?

- while Slack and Mike Wolford have a "Come on Man!" moment...

Buckle up and get ready for the ride.... Provided by JobAdX, America's Job Exchange and Sovern AI.


Announcer: Hide your kids, lock the doors. You're listening to HR's most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are here to punch the recruiting industry right where it hurts. Complete with breaking news, brash opinions and loads of snark, buckle up boys and girls. It's time for the Chad and Cheese Podcast.

Joel: All right everybody, our long national nightmare is finally over. Chad's back. Welcome to the Chad and Cheese Podcast, HR's Most Dangerous. I'm Joel Cheesman.

Chad: Guess who's back, back again.

Joel: Back again. On this week's show, LinkedIn takes aim at ZipRecruiter and the SMB market, humans take on robots at your local restaurant chain and Google will probably in the end make all this news irrelevant. Thank God robots don't podcast yet. We'll be right back after a brief word from JobAdX.

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JobAdX: Oh, and you've been wondering why the British accent. JobAdX has just launched in the U.K. too.

Joel: I thought the British accent would ease you in to coming back to the states.

Chad: So many accents and so little time.

Joel: All right, let's get this out of the way. Welcome back.

Chad: Thank you.

Joel: How was your trip?

Chad: Wonderful.

Joel: Favorite parts, funny stories, anything?

Chad: Yeah. So go figure the beaches of Normandy were amazing. U.S. Cemetery. So many things that are just gripping from what we're able to do in Normandy. We stayed in Bayeux, France, it was just a little town south which is really cool. We're able to watch Germany beat Sweden with hundreds of other Germans in Weiden Square, little town in Germany.

Joel: Better be careful, the Germans might blame you for their ouster from the cup.

Chad: I had to leave some time, okay.

Joel: Chad's fault Germany.

Chad: I'll take the blame. No, no I won't because they really sucked. It was horrible. Sagrada Familia in Barcelona, Prague Castle, The Louvre, The Ark, Eiffel Tower, Versailles, St Mark's Square in Venice. I mean dude, there was so much that we saw in such a compressed amount of time. Julie had us sprinting from place to place. She did an amazing job. And having three teenagers in tow, it was a pretty freaking awesome time in Europe.

Joel: So let's get to what our listeners really care about. What were the best beers that you had on the trip?

Chad: Yeah, anything that was Austrian or Belgian. I was really looking for good wit beers. France beer suck. They just did man. Italian beers were okay. Anything that I could get that was just legit and I knew would be out of Belgium, Austria or Germany, that's really what I gravitated to. Generally I tried something local but in most cases it just sucked.

Joel: Well, my part dude, three weeks without you, there were advantages, disadvantages but I'm overall glad that you're back and that the show is again the Chad and Cheese Show. So with that, let's get to some shout outs if you have any. I'll start it off. Shout out number one goes to Dan Cross, Capital One. In my capacity at Ratedly, actually went out and pitched Capital One on the product this week and Dan Cross is a fan of the show and it was awesome, like to pitch a company and have someone in the audience like I love your show. So Dan, shout outs to you. Appreciate the love out there in Richmond, Virginia.

Chad: Yeah, is he relation to Christopher?

Joel: That would be awesome but I did not ask that so I don't know.

Chad: He didn't have like the high pitch voice.

Joel: He did have kind of a yacht rock vibe so maybe Dan is related to Christopher.

Chad: Big shout out to Ed from Philly. He's always active, dude is always in fray. The big question is where the hell is Nancy from Philly? She's totally gone into radio silence.

Joel: That's a good point. I bet Ed more than anyone is happy to have you back on the podcast. So Ed, there you go. Thanks for sticking it out for three weeks without him.

Chad: Yeah, thanks man, I appreciate that.

Joel: I got a shout out to Laura Barkeiwicz.

Chad: Say that three times fast.

Joel: Hopefully I'm saying that correctly. Did a little ditty on Beamery and their investment last week I think it was. And apparently the Austin office of Beamery is just massive fans and they're spreading that fandom throughout the company. So Beamery, Laura, everybody in Austin thanks for listening.

Chad: Yeah. And not to mention Austin, I'm sure we have just so many listeners at Indeed as well. So yeah, you're making Austin strong.

Joel: Don't forget Talroo, sponsor.

Chad: That's right. Christine Shaw from Down Under. She was actually listening to the pod on the way to an event and we were talking about VERVOE, and no shit, one of the first people she meets at the event is Omer, the co-founder and CEO of VERVOE. So yeah, Christine, that is Chad and Cheese magic.

Joel: Bringing the world together one podcast at a time.

Chad: Shawna Williams. She loves the show. Says it's helped her stay updated in the ever changing world of sourcing and recruiting. Thanks Shawna, keep listening. Get all your friends and family listen as well. Give us some reviews, we'd love that.

Joel: We actually have a lot of reviews.

Chad: Oh, that's cool.

Joel: That's just iTunes. You're the Google guy, I don't know what they're doing over there but at least on iTunes, and we actually have a pretty good set of reviews so yay for us. In fact so good hopefully that people that listen will go out visit and see the link to vote for the show as the best I guess blogger/podcast at the upcoming TAtech show in New Orleans which we will be attending in September. So yeah, get out there and vote. Go to and give us some love.

Chad: Yeah, they're going to change the name of that because three out of the four who are nominated are podcasts. So I think the whole blogger thing's kind of going away. Podcasts are the future people, that's what it is.

Joel: How dare you bash blogging, you bastard.

Chad: Job or doctor, just so you know man, it's not and it will never be called a “jobby moon” full stop. Steven Rothberg, nice jib jab on Twitter, really appreciate you going the extra mile. And last but not least from my side of the house #TalentTalk. I'm going to be on #TalentTalk with a bunch of rogue recruiting sourcing CEO just talking shit I guess. We're going to talk about technology and how recruiters jobs, sourcers jobs, all that shit could be taken by AI. We'll probably argue a little bit about it. You know that animal guy is going to be on there as well so we're probably going to have to hit the mute button on him a lot.

Joel: Yeah, have fun with all that. Is that a Candidate.ID sponsor thing?

Chad: Yup.

Joel: At least you'll have the nice Scottish accent to counterbalance the animal in there. Anymore shout outs?

Chad: That's it.

Joel: All right, let's start with the small companies as we always do. LinkedIn announced this past week that they are seriously getting into the SMB market and I thought it'd be worth talking about. It sounds a lot like Uncommon. You've read the story, basically, small business, post your job, we'll provide the candidates to you. One click messaging. You can thumb up or thumb down the person that you want to recruit.

Joel: I have two thoughts on this is as I wrote about it in ERE and thought about it. Number one is like what this does to the whole sourcing business, if I can just post a job and LinkedIn or whoever magically just gives me the candidates that are fits for that, that sort of sources for me, as well as the distribution side of postings. What are your thoughts on that?

Chad: I automatically thought it sounded more like zip than anything else. But the big difference and I can see kind of the similarities with Uncommon as well. But it sounds like, and correct me if I'm wrong, it sounds like they're doing it within the actual LinkedIn ecosystem itself, that's it. So, when you take a look at Zip and you take a look at Uncommon, they go out beyond I guess you could say their ecosystem. So they're doing things I think a much more aggressive, not to mention they don't have database the size of LinkedIn but still, LinkedIn doesn't house every piece of talent that's out there, period, they don't.

Chad: So one of the reasons why Microsoft very smartly bought GitHub, when you take a look at what they're doing I think it's smart, there's no question. Being able to utilize the data that you have within your system. It makes a hell of a lot of sense. They should have done this a long time ago. Apparently they just didn't have the developers that could pull this off.

Joel: Yeah. Ever since Microsoft bought them, the development is coming fast and furiously. Now they would argue yes, the distribution isn't the same but their claim is that, they have 57 or so percent of potential candidates that will never go to a job board or haven't gone to a job board any time recently. So I agree with you like the distribution they don't care about, they just want to leverage their 550 million or 600 million users to then plug into your job posting. I do think the GitHub purchase is going to be interesting because if they start crossposting or crossing the streams and having GitHub profiles come into your LinkedIn job postings, then that's a pretty interesting way to leverage the GitHub universe.

Joel: Another think I wanted to point out was they're pushing this service as sort of a money back guarantee on the condition that you send, the only candidates are LinkedIn candidates. They have to use LinkedIn profile and you have to send them through your LinkedIn job posting page. So in other words, this is sort of a really subtle move to me by LinkedIn to kind of be the SMB's applicant tracking system. So in other words, they'll give you the money back guarantee if you don't flow the candidates through another service, which incentivizes companies to use LinkedIn as their applicant tracking system