LIVE at HIREconf in NYC

Live from New York, the boys recorded the weekly show at HireConf, HiringSolved's conference. In addition to covering news from Monster, Dice, Glassdoor and Under Armour, there's a riveting interview with HiringSolved co-founder and CEO Shon Burton. Enjoy, and visit sponsors Sovren, JobAdX and Canvas.


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Chad: Whew, hello New York, bring it.

Audience: Woo!

Joel: Dude, you said that would feel like we were in a rock band, and it was pretty close.

Chad: It was pretty close.

Joel: It was pretty close.

Chad: Yeah, I thought, let's move in, yeah, that was good stuff.

Joel: Who knows who we are, anyone?

Audience: Woo!

Chad: Who doesn't know who we are? Shame.

Joel: All right.

Chad: Shame.

Joel: I'm the good cop. We have a podcast, for those of you, who don't know who we are. We cover a weekly show, where we cover the industry, who's buying, who's getting money, who's going out of business, who sucks. We cover that. We have a show called Firing Squad, what's sort of like Shark Tank for the employment industry, and we have two.

Chad: Without the millionaires.

Joel: Then we have two shows, where we dig deep into subject matter like automation and chatbots and shit like that. We will cuss during the show, so if you're offended by any of that, fuck it.

Chad: Ear muffs.

Joel: This is a live show, this will be our weekly show. I'm ready to go at it, unless anyone has any questions, we're going to launch into the show.

Chad: Questions, comments. Okay and we won't be using ear muffs, so you're just going to have to do it yourself, right, so.

Joel: All right.

Chad: Hit it.

Joel: Live from New York, it's the Chad & Cheese Podcast.

Chad: Bring it.

Joel: Yep, HR's most dangerous podcast is in the Big Apple. I'm your co-host, Joel Cheesman.

Chad: And I'm drunk Chad Sowash.

Joel: On this week's show, turns out everyone actually is looking for a job, every minute of every day. Under Armour is not okay with those three martini lunches, at the local strip club anymore.

Chad: What?

Joel: And we get a few good minutes with HiringSolved's founder and CEO, Shon Burton.

Chad: Woo.

Audience: Woo.

Joel: Let's do it, so let's do shout outs.

Chad: Do it, okay. First and foremost, shout out for the beer, Shane Gray, everybody, Shane Gray. Came all the way from Dublin, just to be able to deliver Modelo Beer.

Joel: It's not a party if the Irishman is not here.

Chad: That is good shit, yeah.

Joel: Yeah.

Chad: I mean, that's obviously his first.

Joel: Modelo from the Irish guy.

Chad: Ed from Philly, stand up buddy.

Ed: I don't wanna stand up.

Joel: Yeah, no.

Chad: He's a super fan right there, bringing all the hate from Philly that you can get, we love the man.

Ed: Boo.

Chad: See.

Joel: Early on, Ed's been there for us and we're here for you Ed.

Chad: We're here for him.

Joel: Always.

Chad: He needs friends though, so.

Joel: Jo Weech. She's in the audience, there we go.

Chad: Super fan.

Joel: Super fan is here.

Chad: Love her.

Joel: Front row, no panties. No panties or bras on the stage, if you were thinking about it. Audra Knight, is on our shout out list, as well. Chris Russell. Tincup is not here, although he's on the list.

Chad: There he is.

Joel: Yeah, if you're in New York, Chris will be somewhere eating pizza or drinking.

Chad: Or both. Yeah. So Ross Henderson, gave us a shout out.

Joel: Yes, Ross Henderson of LinkedIn. And you know I love to drink the LinkedIn Kool-Aid.

Chad: You are such a stinker.

Joel: Ross Henderson, LinkedIn, super fan. He calls us an unvarnished show, in a good way, which is nice.

Chad: Yeah, yeah, in a good way. Jorge, I'm going to screw this up so badly. Albinagorta.

Joel: Is he here?

Chad: No, I don't think so.

Joel: Oh, okay, well, who cares if he says your name.

Chad: Yeah, just love. We got to give people love, who listen and show up as well. And Jackie because she said she's going to dance.

Joel: Jackie is going to dance?

Chad: Yes.

Joel: Nice. Nice.

Chad: She needs to get a beer though, you need a beer to dance.

Joel: I had one, Debbie Salado.

Chad: Huh?

Joel: Is she here? I threw it in.

Audience: She was here yesterday.

Joel: She was here yesterday.

Chad: Okay.

Joel: All right, well shout out to her.

Chad: Sucks to be you Debbie, you're not here. Susanna Frazier, where's she at? Here somewhere. Yeah, no, she tweeted a top five recruitment podcast list out. Have you ever seen these podcast lists? Right, they're like, hey top five, this is what you should listen to. Matt O'Donnell, actually gave us a good response and said-

Joel: Wait, we weren't on the list of podcasts though.

Chad: We weren't on the list, yeah.

Joel: Like you need to add that, it's kind of, an important-

Chad: Matt said the fact that hashtag Chad Cheese isn't on the list, is a shock.

Joel: It's kind of bullshit, I don't know.

Chad: Yeah, it's bullshit.

Joel: Just saying.

Chad: John, okay this is awesome. We asked definitely to connect on LinkedIn and Facebook and tweets, you know hashtag Chad Cheese. So I got called out on LinkedIn. Jon Hedlund. Apparently I took too long, to accept his LinkedIn invitation. This was John's response, "Fucking six weeks for the Chad to accept." And that was it. That was it, so shout out to John. Yeah, Jon I'd say that I'm sorry that it took me that long but dude.

Joel: So many haters.

Chad: But I don't sit on LinkedIn, waiting for motherfuckers to send me invites. Like I just don't do that.

Joel: Recruiters have no patience, at all.

Chad: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not my job, I don't do that.

Joel: Ed Newman gone crazy, we'll give him a quick shout out.

Chad: Jesus Christ.

Joel: Ed Newman, a lot of you know in the industry, Phenom People. If you listen to our podcast and a lot of you do, you know that we were at iCIMS, a few weeks ago.

Chad: I'll just say right.

Joel: We're saying to their CEO, talking about destroying the middle-men of which he named Phenom, as one of those middle-men. Well, Ed Newman took, not too kindly to that comment. His so, in all fairness, Ed's take on this is, it's iCIMS, that is the middle man, they're getting crushed on the down. The smaller businesses are being serviced by Lever, Greenhouse, the big enterprises are being serviced by Workday and the Goliaths like that. And it's the ATSs like iCIMS, that are sort of stuck in the middle.