Zip Swings, TikTok Lands & Aussies Stink

This episode is all over the place.

- ZipRecruiter's CEO takes a big AI swing at Google

- Indeed giving Hire by Google a sloppy kiss

- Facebook's Workplace gets chatty

- TikTok finally landed on our radar

- Glassdoor says "Oui"

- Google plays the "Optics wage game"

- BrewDog starts hot desking


- stinky Australians. And much more.

Enjoy and give our sponsors a big, sloppy kiss, Indeed-style: Sovren, Canvas, JobAdX.


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Announcer: Hide your kids, lock the doors, you're listening to HR's most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are here to punch the recruiting industry right where it hurts. Complete with breaking news, brash opinion and loads of snark. Buckle up boys and girls, it's time for the Chad and Cheese podcast. He's back.

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Chad: And I'm Chad Sowash.

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Ed: This is Ed from Philly, you're listening to the Chad and Cheese podcast.

Chad: God damn straight, Ed. Last week, a lactose-free Chad and Cheese podcast, little Jim-

Joel: No cheese.

Chad: Little Jim Stroud filling in.

Joel: Stinky cheese free.

Chad: Stinky cheese free, yeah. We'll talk about the stinky cheese a little bit later in the episode.

Joel: Chad's already strategizing on ways to replace me after last week, I'm sure.

Chad: You are not replaceable my friend.

Joel: Thank you. Thank you, I appreciate that. Wish I could say the same. Yeah, went to Chicago, spring break, kids, did a little bit of the Chicago Museum, all the good things they have there. Taking a two year old to two museums in one day, not a good idea.

Chad: No. I don't know who's plan that was, but yeah that was, there's a fatal flaw there and that was a two year old.

Joel: Well you know, we like to stretch our activities as much as possible. I will say, and you'll appreciate this, the Industry and Science Museum, I think it's called?

Chad: Yes.

Joel: Had a World War II stuka, German fighter bomber, that's one of only two in the world that's still intact, which was really cool. They also have an entire U-Boat, German U-Boat from World War II that's at the museum.

Chad: Yes.

Joel: Quick shout out for them, if you're into that stuff, which I know I am, I think Chad is as well, that was a well worth trip to that museum.

Chad: Yes.

Joel: Agreed. And if you're interested in listening to cool shit you're at the right place.

Chad: Boom.

Joel: Because we talk cool shit. You want to get the shout outs?

Chad: Yeah, so real quick, you missed it last week, I got another box of craft beer, so I want to re-shout out to Jim and Thomas over at Talent Nexxus-

Feffer: Such an asshole.

Chad: While rubbing your nose in it. So I just thought I'd go ahead and get that out there really quick.

Crowd: Boo.

Joel: Nice. Send some booze to me people, come on. My life's just as tough as Chads.

Chad: Nobody likes you, come on.

Joel: Ouch, damn!

Feffer: Such an asshole.

Chad: And that being said, shout out to Joel's 15-year-old boy band self, after a night at Justin fucking Timberlake. Dude, you just lost your 1980s rock-n-roll card dude. Hand that shit over.

Joel: Yeah, the hair metal club kicked me out this week. So, somehow your wife went to the Justin Timberlake concert.

Chad: Yes.

Joel: And you were not roped into this.

Chad: No.

Joel: My wife, same thing, however I attended, so I'm clearly the better husband of this duo.

Chad: That's where we can go with it sure.

Joel: I've never been to a show like this. The shows I got to, it's like one stage, the band comes out, they play and then they're done. This was like a whole, they used the entire court, if you will of the basketball arena. It's a show. It's outfit changes, it's dancers and all. Women were losing their minds over this show and I know JT's popular. The one thing I did notice is, I got a lot of dirty looks from women. I felt like they were mad at me for taking seats that women should have been, you know, in.

Chad: Yes.

Joel: Like, why are you here? You're taking valuable real estate from our sisters who could be here cheering on Justin Timberlake. So for the women who were upset with me for attending the show, I apologize, however wife...

Chad: My wife comes first and so do her friends, so wanted to ensure they had the opportunity to actually get a ticket to go, which is why I kept my ass at home and drank bourbon and watched t.v.

Joel: Nice save. Nice save. Nice save. The dude puts on a good show, no matter what you think about him or NSYNC, or whatever, like he can dance and sing and there's something to be said for that.

Chad: Yeah, you can't talk your way out of this one, Cheesman. Shout out to Steven Rothberg, for hooking us up with T-shirts, that say on them, "One beer please" in Portuguese, because we're going to Portugal for TAtech in Lisbon in May and Steven Rothberg, the loving listener that he is, he wanted to make sure we were hooked up and that could get beer easily. So, thank you so much Steven.

Joel: Steven is all about the love.

Chad: He's awesome.

Joel: We appreciate that. I have nothing to say about that. People send us the weirdest shit sometimes.

Chad: I love it.

Joel: Yeah. I love it.

Chad: It's a good shirt.

Joel: Thanks Steven, appreciate it. In more business angles here, XOR...

Chad: XOR.

Joel: Firing squad alumni, who's just taring it up in the chat bot space, recently got 2.25 million in seed funding so I think everyone now has officially got money that's in the chat bot space. Interesting here is SignalFire was the backing...

Chad: Yes.

Joel: Venture capital firm who was the force, I guess, behind TextRecruit...

Chad: Yes.

Joel: So, these guys obviously see some benefit there. We'll probably see a similar cash out that they enjoyed when ICIMS bought TextRecruit, but good for XOR and the team there. We'll see them soon, right? They're going to be in Nashville, I think. I think she's at the StaffingTec.

Chad: Yeah, I believe so. The one thing that I think is interesting about this is they're actually moving from Austin to San Francisco. And we're seeing a lot of reports of people moving the fuck out of California, just from an expense standpoint, not being able to find housing, all that happy horse shit that you need to actually do business. And they're moving to the Austins or even Minneapolis or what have you or Indianapolis. This was kind of a reverse engineered kind of like we're getting out of Austin and going to San Francisco, so I thought that was kind of interesting.

Joel: Yeah, my guess is SignalFire is in San Francisco...

Chad: Yeah, well, money.

Joel: And when you give people money, you kind of want them close.