Chad Goes Nuclear on SHRM

Maybe it was the fact Boston was cold in late-May. Maybe it was the rain at Fenway Park. But whatever it was, as the boys find a bar and...

-- Chad was not very happy with SHRM this week.

-- Google goes with more contractors and privacy

-- Restless Bandit exits stage left

-- TruStaff defines website amatuer hour

-- and fake tans will get you blackballed in Australia ... or is it New Zealand? Either way.

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Joel: Let's start there. What are we drinking with in the first period of our podcast this week?

Chad: Yeah, this is a Blanton's Bourbon, which is very top shelf.

Joel: Tough to get.

Chad: Yeah. It's not easy to get. In Philly last week, I was able to get it. I think one of the reasons is that people don't understand how fucking good Blanton's is when you get out of bourbon country. So went to Philly, had a whole fucking bottle there, not like I drank it all, came in here, had Blanton's. But if you get close to bourbon country, it's hard to find.

Joel: Yeah, it's not a pretentious bourbon.

Chad: No.

Joel: They don't really beat their chest. It's a little bitty round, globe looking bottle with a racehorse on top

Chad: Made Buffalo Trace.

Joel: Not a Pappy's or Booker's.

Chad: No.

Joel: But it's fantastic. If you're a bourbon lover, Chad and I highly recommend Blanton's. I'm drinking a Redbreast Lustau Irish whiskey by the way. We're at an Irish pub. We're at the Asgard.

Chad: Here in Cambridge.

Joel: We're in Cambridge, yeah.

Chad: Yeah, okay. Irish pub, a lot of people, background music. So yeah, this is our jam.

Joel: Yeah. We just got done with the meeting with JobCase, interviewed their CEO, which will be coming out shortly.

Chad: Did a lunch-and-learn.

Joel: Lunch-and-learn with their company.

Chad: Like those lunch-and-learns.

Joel: Yeah, we got the tour, got to meet some of their folks. We really enjoy doing that. And if you're a company out there, either vendor or direct employer, and want us to come out and do some learning with your staff, hit us up at

Chad: Yeah, you have a training budget. So go ahead and use it for shit that actually is going to get your people trained up.

Joel: Exactly.

Chad: That's us, by the way.

Joel: So we just thought, "Let's pop into a pub. Let's crank out the mics. Let's get the weekly show done." And here we are, enjoying some whiskey, enjoying Cambridge, Massachusetts, the weed and tootsie rolls into the streets of Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Chad: Yeah, so thanks Boston, thanks JobCase. Last week we're in Philly. I still have to give props to Philly. Philly is so John.

Joel: It doesn't mean cool. I don't think you used it correctly.

Chad: No, I can use it any way I want. That's what Ed said.

Joel: Okay, well the Philly faithful will not be happy with that usage.

Chad: I don't give a fuck and they know it, which is why they love us because we don't give a fuck. But thanks to for giving us gas money to actually get there.

Joel: Sure. That trip was sponsored by Emissary, much like our awesome, amazingly surprisingly popular t-shirts.

Chad: Let's hit the topics. So last week we talk about Restless Bandit and TruStaff, and it was on the grapevine, but we hadn't really received any firm notice.

Joel: "I heard it through the grapevine." (singing)

Chad: Yeah.

Joel: Yeah, Restless Bandit has quietly left the building.

Chad: Exited.

Joel: Pretty much.

Chad: Stage fucking left.

Joel: Yeah, go check out Restless Bandit and the site has a few links, to press and something, but no link to demos, no way to contact them.

Chad: Yeah.

Joel: There's an image saying partnered with TruStaff. There was no release. At least two or three calls that I made were not returned, which pretty much is the telltale sign of, "We're closing up shop, we're selling at pennies on the dollar, and we're going home."

Chad: So I called TruStaff, and I left a voicemail message, and I didn't get anything from them either. But here's what gets me is that the Restless Bandit site is literally not even a site anymore. It's a landing page, like you said, has three links: white paper, press, and GDPR. Three weird links. Not even one link goes to the TruStaff website. It mentions, "We've partnered with true staff to build technology that moves the healthcare labor market faster." Okay, great. No fucking link to TruStaff. Fucking amateur job.

Joel: Does the logo and the header not even link over?

Chad: No! It's a fucking amateur job, dude.

Joel: Wow, yeah, that's, "Clearance rack on aisle six and checkout, we're going home."

Chad: If you go to the TruStaff site though, go to, that site looks like it was put together by one of my kid's using 1900s.

Joel: Looks like a Tumblr.

Chad: Yeah, like Tumblr or fucking Flickr, right? It's like, "Oh, let's just paste some shit here." It looks fucking horrible.

Joel: Pretty sure they have some money, like clean that shit up.

Chad: It's definitely not on the web side of things. Or they're trying to stay incredibly stealth and look horrible, because it looks fucking horrible.

Joel: Now one of the interesting points of the story is the CEO, whose name escapes me, but I'm going to go a search him out real quick.

Chad: Restless Bandit?

Joel: Yeah, Restless Bandit. So he was the founder of Bright.

Chad: Yeah.

Joel: If you remember a few years back.

Chad: Yep, acquired.

Joel: Which was acquired by LinkedIn.

Chad: LinkedIn, yep.

Joel: For a buttload of money, and I'm going to find his name here real quick. Steve Goodman. I think that's it. Yep, Steve Goodman. So he was CEO of Bright and which sold to LinkedIn. So lightning did not strike twice apparently for Mr. Goodman.

Chad: Yeah, yeah. So this is just the confirmation that Restless Bandit looks like it is exiting stage left and getting the fuck out of Dodge.

Joel: Anyone out there that might've been a Restless Bandit client, if there was an email sent to you about what was going on with the change, please hit us up at

Chad: There's a dude outside with literally-

Joel: He is stoned out of his gourd.

Chad: ... chains around his neck. He looks like he's been eating Tootsie rolls and fucking pot-smoking. He's out of it.

Joel: He's in another universe.

Chad: He's in another universe. Cambridge, Massachusetts people. This is where the shit's happening. It's where it's going down. So, okay, moving on.

Joel: But yes, if you know anything about Restless Bandit, have an email saying, "Hey, we've partnered with, we're closing shop, whatever."

Chad: Something.

Joel: Hit us up.

Chad: Something. So moving on, I have a bitch that I want to get

out real quick.

Joel: Get it out, baby.

Chad: So SHRM ...

Joel: Oh, shit.

Chad: Yeah. So SHRM, they've been doing some really weird shit lately, and it's on the policy side. And so Emily Dickens, who's the Chief of Staff at SHRM, put out a tweet that says, "SHRM appreciates the White House's efforts in bringing forward a plan that includes reforms to our outdated workplace immigration system. Employers need a modern workplace immigration system that provides greater access to top talent." And I had to reply to the tweet.

Joel: Yeah, your replies were entertaining.

Chad: Yeah, so my reply was, "So the kids in cages efforts, is that what SHRM actually supports?" Or the, "We don't have enough people in the workforce to cover open jobs. Is that the support?" Or I was like, "Are you fucking kidding me?" And then-

Joel: She blocked your ass, right?

Chad: Then she blocked me. And then, two days later, she unblocked me.

Joel: That's good.

Chad: But from my standpoint, it's really hard to believe that SHRM would actually say that they appreciate this administration's Muslim ban, kids in cages-

Joel: Big walls.

Chad: ... being able to block great, great individuals who could be in our workforce.

Joel: I remember the Muslim ban here at the beginning of the term.

Chad: All of it. So SHRM is appreciating this. What the fuck? I don't understand, what's going on?

Joel: So if I were playing devil's advocate, I would say SHRM has to be fairly nice to everyone in the White House, because they're the lobbying entity.

Chad: They don't have to say a God damn thing.