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LinkedIn Loses Again

Recording live from Ostend, Belgium, ahead of the House of HR conference, the boys are in the kind of zone only a pint of Chimay can inspire. LinkedIn loses again and Comparably says it’s probably time to stop thinking Glassdoor is vulnerable (and chalk up another acquisition where terms aren’t disclosed). The boys then play a little buy-or-sell with BarRaiser, Valence and Pando “Don’t Call Us Logical.” Nike vs. Airbnb wraps up the show making us question which WFH policy will rule the future (hint: it rhymes with “hairbnb”).

Oh yeah, and you gotta about the boys wild Amsterdam adventure with sponsor Textkernel. Cheers!


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INTRO (1s):

Hide your kids! Lock the doors! You're listening to HR’s most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheeseman are here to punch the recruiting industry, right where it hurts! Complete with breaking news, brash opinion and loads of snark, buckle up boys and girls, it's time for the Chad and Cheese podcast.

Joel (22s):

Oh Yeah, we are recording live from Ostend, Belgium so the next round of waffles is on me. Hey kids, you're listening to the Chad and Cheese podcast. This is your co-host Joel "sexual healing' Cheeseman.

Chad (34s):

This is Chad "I wish I knew how to get on a train" Sowash.

Joel (38s):

And on this week's show, LinkedIn loses again.

Chad (40s):

Oh no.

Joel (41s):

Pando raises the bar and ZoomInfo go shopping. Let's do this. Little Sexual Healing, so little known fact, Marvin Gaye for the kids out in the audience that don't know arguably the greatest singer of all time in popular music.

Chad (56s):

Yes. No question.

Joel (56s):

If you haven't heard of his rendition of the national anthem, do yourself a favor and YouTube that one from the all star game.

Chad (1m 4s):

Aand then Jimmy Hendricks after that.

Joel (1m 6s):

So anyway, Marvin spent some time here in Ostend, Belgium. Lived here.

Chad (1m 11s):

I had no clue.

Joel (1m 12s):

No clue, right? I Googled things to do and Ostend, and he's got an actual tour called the Digital Love tour, which is appropriate now. Yes, he lived here. There's video footage. There's a documentary of him hanging out with some Belgians and having a good time, but he apparently read and or recorded Sexual Healing right here in Ostend.

Chad (1m 34s):


Joel (1m 34s):

So I'm feelin' the love.

Chad (1m 36s):


Joel (1m 36s):

So I'm Joel "Sexual Healing" Cheeseman for this this week.

Chad (1m 39s):

Very nice. My favorite Marvin Gaye song is What's Going On?

Joel (1m 44s):

And album as well.

Chad (1m 45s):

Oh my God. That song I can listen to it like on repeat all day. Amazing in the guy's voice. I mean, Heard it Through the Grape Vine. I mean, he's got so much good stuff, but anyway, yes,

Joel (1m 56s):

Much, much great greatness from 1971. That song and album was released.

Chad (2m 3s):


Joel (2m 3s):

50 almost one, two years ago.

Chad (2m 5s):

Years ago. Yes. Yes. So we are in, obviously Ostend, every time Lieven says it, it sounds like you saying Austin, like Austin, Texas.

Joel (2m 17s):

That's what I thought it was at first, Austin. I thought, well, that's a weird place for a European conference.

Chad (2m 26s):

Belgium conference.

Joel (2m 26s):

I've seen it spelled many different ways as well.

Chad (2m 29s):

Yeah. Well we're not just in Belgium, kids. We, actually took a train yesterday to

Joel (2m 38s):

Amsterdam baby.

Chad (2m 38s):

Joel's first time in Amsterdam.

Joel (2m 40s):

Amsterdam Virgin.

Chad (2m 41s):

And we didn't hit the red light district. I know we're going to, we need at least the whole weekend for that.

Joel (2m 45s):

My wife tracks me on my iPhone. So I can't be caught in the red light district.

Chad (2m 48s):

That's why you keep it in the hotel.

Joel (2m 52s):

Does that work for you? That doesn't work for me.

Chad (2m 54s):

She doesn't track me so I don't have to worry about that.

Joel (2m 57s):

So beautiful city.

Chad (2m 58s):


Joel (2m 59s):

The most chill artsy fartsy place I think I've ever been.

Chad (3m 2s):


Joel (3m 2s):

I felt like I was in a Willy Wonka sort of art deco movie from the seventies.

Chad (3m 9s):

Oh my God.

Joel (3m 11s):

Great architecture, great history and great company. We met up with our friends at Textkernel Gerrad, Samantha and Chris, all friends of the show. And it was great meeting them and having, having some quality time with a sponsor, eating good food and drinking good beer and having good conversation much of which will be off the record Chad. We will do that for odd requests.

Chad (3m 34s):

Not to mention the beer just tastes so much better when somebody else is buying it.

Joel (3m 38s):

I got a question though, is the beer alcohol content on some sort of metric system here in Europe? Because it seems a little higher than it does back in the states. So I don't know if that's a metrics thing or what?

Chad (3m 50s):

yes. The ABV percentage is on metric system. I don't, I don't know. We'll have to look that one up for later

Joel (3m 55s):

I know a guy we can ask.

Chad (3m 57s):

We can. One thing that we need to do, though, I've got to cover this quick is I, we didn't get home till 2:00 AM last night asked we had so much fun and Amsterdam. No, no. Chad fucked up the train.

Joel (4m 10s):

I'm just going to let you sink on this one. I'm going to stay quiet over here, drinking my Chimay, man.

Chad (4m 15s):

It's really fucked up in Joel was actually pointing at the train saying, Hey, I think this is our train. I'm looking at the board, which hadn't updated yet. And I'm like, no board said this isn't our train. Are you sure this isn't the train? He asked like 10 times I'm like, and the board doesn't say it's the train. So it's not the train. Yes,

Joel (4m 32s):

It's right behind this one.

Chad (4m 34s):

As soon as it left the board updated and I went, oh shit, that was our train. So, you know, that was not good. So

Joel (4m 42s):

As a side note, I saw no bar in the airport, so we were doubly screwed and that we had to just sit there and just take it. No, no medicine to help take wash down that pill.

Chad (4m 56s):

We have a Congress tomorrow.

Joel (4m 58s):

We do. We actually have to work on this trip.

Chad (4m 59s):

If you want to call that work. Well, we

Joel (5m 1s):

Definitely work.

Chad (5m 2s):

Have to work. What? Classify that.

Joel (5m 3s):

We have to throw fruit from a balcony at people. Yeah. We are a full on the E-recruiting Congress put on by our friends at House of HR love though, if you haven't listened to the European podcast and gotten a taste of Lieven's, sarcastic knowledge of the industry and the continent, you gotta tune in for that.

Chad (5m 23s):

So good.

Joel (5m 23s):

But they invited us to come in and sit in the balcony, which allegedly there's a bar and it's totally entrapment. I feel bad for the last few speakers that are going up, but we're gonna heckle and interview and get some good content for you guys. Excited about what's going on in Europe. Tons of money, tons of startups, tons of cool stuff going on here. And I'm really excited to see some old friends, meet some new ones and get some good content. Hopefully deliver that to the listeners of the Chad and Cheese podcast.

Chad (5m 57s):

Planes, trains, and bird scooters, got us to the House of HR.

Joel (6m 1s):

Love me a bird scooter, baby.

Chad (6m 3s):

E-recruitment, Congress. I cannot wait. Then the next week I get to actually go back to my new home. Hopefully knock on wood. We get to close on a condo.

Joel (6m 13s):

Podcaster in Portugal, by the way on bird scooters, a lot less fun here in Europe, because they actually have lanes for bikes and scooters. In the states you got to ride the snake baby. It's a wild ride. So it was a little less, less exciting riding, the bird scooter.

Chad (6m 29s):

You might get Christine on a bird scooter here.

Joel (6m 32s):

I could she loves Europe for so many reasons. I could maybe do that.

Chad (6m 35s):

I had taking a header in Paris is not a good reason.

Joel (6m 37s):

Yes. Paris is a little snake-ish. That's a little more dangerous than Belgium apparently.

Chad (6m 44s):

And we should do some shout outs. Let me go ahead and throw the first one out there to Darrian Mikell, you might know this kid. He was on Firing Squad, the CEO founder of Qualifi. That's the weird

Joel (6m 59s):

the koala.

Chad (7m 0s):

Yeah, the Qualifi, but it's spelled weird. Anyway, anyway, he won the Rising Entrepreneur Mirror award during TechPoint's 23rd annual Mirror Awards gala honoring the best tech in Indiana. One of the things that I think really drives me crazy about our industry is when people say, oh, you're from Indiana. Motherfucker the industry literally was born in Indiana. We have so many like tech Recruitment Tech, HR Tech, TA tech, experts in this space in Indianapolis and around Indianapolis in Indiana. To have the Mirror Awards and have a guy like Darrian, who by the way, got I think a double applause on Firing Squad, which I think the Mirror Awards actually listened to and that actually helped him win.

Joel (7m 49s):

Really everyone that touches our show has huge success. Whether it's acquisitions, awards, whatever you need to be on the show because good fortune will follow you. By the way, there needs to be a Wikipedia page on Indiana's contribution to the online employment. Can we get somebody on that?

Chad (8m 4s):

No Shit.

Joel (8m 7s):

Anyone want to do that? That'd be Great. Yeah.

Chad (8m 11s):

Jerry Crispin, maybe. I don't know.

Joel (8m 13s):

From New Jersey. Yes,

Chad (8m 15s):

But seriously. Well, he cares about history though.

Joel (8m 19s):

That's history.

Chad (8m 20s):

But seriously congrats Darrian and the team over at Qualifi for winning the Mirror.

Joel (8m 25s):

Well Chad an event that is not in Indiana, but very close on the shores of Chicago. I got to talk about Perks Con. Perks Con is a thing happening May 11th.

Chad (8m 36s):

Is this porn?

Joel (8m 37s):

Nope, perks like employee perks.

Chad (8m 39s):

I know, but you never know these days.

Joel (8m 41s):

Depending on the employer, we've talked about the wank room or the wank pod. So I don't no word if the wank pod is going to be at Perks Con, but who knows since Perks Con happening in the windy city features quote "the best and employee perks and benefits", but that's not all Chad.

Chad (8m 59s):


Joel (8m 59s):

This year Perks Con is pulling out all the stops from a signature champagne toast to a full metaverse experience. But wait, that's not all Chad.

Chad (9m 12s):


Joel (9m 12s):

Perks Con is also introducing its own NFT quote unquote "golden tickets" this year where 20 randomly selected attendees will have their digital event ticket transformed to a valuable NFT offering lifetime attendance at Perks Con.

Chad (9m 29s):


Joel (9m 30s):

Holy hell conferences are taking it up a notch. Everyone pay attention. If you're not doing it, Perks Con style, you're just not doing it right.

Chad (9m 36s):

Yeah. You said, pull out and then taking it up. And I thought you going to say taking you up something else. A big shout out to

Joel (9m 47s):

That's a perk

Chad (9m 48s):

Big shout out to Facebook who is pulling podcast, their podcast app out. They're pulling out of the podcast platform. Podcasting is hard, man. I mean, I don't know how many podcasts. They're like a million podcasts that are out there. And like 70% of them have six episodes. And that's it. And people, I mean, they just stop because it's not easy. It's really hard. Let's put it that. I'm saying this from the shores of Belgiun, by the way.

Joel (10m 15s):

Pulling out. It's really hard. We got it Chad.

Chad (10m 18s):

But Facebook, obviously they couldn't handle it. And this is interesting to me because the content that they would be able to pull in could have been amazing. Right? Why do you, why do you see them pulling out with something like this?

Joel (10m 31s):

Well, they've got their hands full with this whole metaverse thing. So I think just like pulling out jobs, they're cutting some fat and maybe took a lesson from our friends at CNN and said, you know, packing up shop and pulling the cord is maybe not the worst thing in the world.

Chad (10m 49s):


Joel (10m 49s):

What's interesting to me, as well, as you might remember, bulletin that they launched a few months ago, maybe a year ago, which was their content play.

Chad (11m 0s):


Joel (11m 0s):

They paid high-profile thought leaders to add content. Yeah. Everyone's have sort of forgotten about it at this point. I don't even know if it's still alive, but bulletin and may get it's plugged polled soon as well. And I'll add Chad, you might remember LinkedIn launched its podcast thing of a jiggy

Chad (11m 20s):

Shit. I forgot

Joel (11m 21s):

Which eeryone has already forgotten about it. That was back in February. So I wouldn't be surprised if LinkedIn takes a little cue from Facebook and shuts down it's podcast offering some relate to stories that had no business getting into either.

Chad (11m 36s):

It's not easy kids. It's not easy.

Joel (11m 38s):

Pat ourselves on the back real quick. If we can do it, everyone can do it. Shout out to Sonic Chad

Chad (11m 45s):

Sonic. Yep.

Joel (11m 46s):

What goes with a great beer? What goes with a good beer is a great burger. Sonic has been producing them for a long time. Anyway, that's not what we're here to talk about. The great American hospitality LLC company, ASonic licensed Z we're in Europe. A lot of people don't know Sonic, but they serve up good burgers, I think fast food style.

Chad (12m 8s):


Joel (12m 9s):

They have partnered with Daily Pay to provide an on-demand pay functionality to its employees. Through this partnership hundreds of Sonic employees can now access their pay immediately after completing a shift. Why isn't everybody doing this, Chad?

Chad (12m 22s):

Because they like holding on to cash? That's why. Yeah. I mean it, there's no question if you want to provide perks to your employees and hopefully get them off the payday fucking loans and shit like that, just give them the fucking money, man. I mean, we, in the U S we have a huge issue with payday loans and people just digging holes, and I'm already talking about low wage-earners. Right? So we've gotta be able to do something to be able to help them get cash faster. Maybe pay them a better wage too? Fuck I don't know. But anyway, this is a great move.

Joel (12m 54s):

Great morality. Great thing to do, but also good business sense, Chad, because paying your people the day of is probably a good retention and recruiting tool. I know that if I was in that line of work, I would probably gravitate toward a company that paid me the day that I worked, as opposed to waiting two weeks. Do people still do two weeks? Right?

Chad (13m 13s):

They do.

Joel (13m 14s):

Good Lord. Well, think of that for nursing. I mean, for everything seriously. I mean, it just makes good sense. The other shout out to Recruit CRM's marketing department. Okay. So we had Recruit CRM on the show. They did firing squad. They did very well, but for most companies that's enough. They do the show and maybe the CEO shares it on on LinkedIn/ companies should really take this kind of content marketing to the next level and Recruit CRM to their credit, they did an actual image of your mug with my mug and it's a cartoon animated head.

Joel (13m 56s):

And then they did the same with their CEO. So it was a consistent cartoon kind of thingy. Created, you know, listen to the podcast. Here's our company, yada, yada, and marketed that on social media. And I just think it's that little extra something that not enough marketing departments do. And I just wanted to point it out. Like this is not a big company. Right? But they, they went the extra mile and we appreciated it. And we thought enough to say something on the show that marketing people do better.

Chad (14m 25s):

Content, baby content.

Joel (14m 27s):

So many great tidbits from not just our show, but other other times you're on podcasts or like.

Chad (14m 34s):

So easy! Soundbites.

Joel (14m 34s):

Soundbites, visuals. Yeah. A lot of stuff that you can be

Chad (14m 37s):

Like, oh yeah.

Joel (14m 38s):

Don't just, don't just give money to Facebook and Google and call it a day. Think outside the box a little bit. Yes. Chad, let's talk about free shit real quick.

Chad (14m 46s):

Free shit.

Joel (14m 47s):

Got to talk about i