Not So Monstrous Anymore

It amazing how much the pandemic serves as an accelerant. It feels like we're fast-forwarding 10 years and our predictions are moving at light speed. 

As such, it's no surprise this week the boys are talking about 

- Indeed suffocates Glassdoor 

- Jobvite acquisition supercharges their brainpower

- Monster is quickly running out of steam 

- Broadbean, Joveo, and Recruitics do what? 

Oh, and some job boards the world doesn't need like and

Can you believe this is week 22 in our #ChadCheese COVID lockdown podcasting madness? Luckily Jobvite, JobAdx, and Sovren bring us back to sanity with support for our group thearpy podcast sessions. We love you guys. 


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Intro (1s):

Hide your kids, lock the doors you're listening to HR's most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are here to punch the recruiting industry, right where it hurts. Complete with breaking news, brash opinion and loads of snark. Buckle up boys and girls, its time for the Chad and Cheese podcast.

Joel (15s):

Ah, yeah. Layoffs at Monster boy, the energy drink market must really be hurting these days. Welcome to the Chad and Cheese podcast, boys and girls. I'm your cohost Joel Cheesman.

Chad (33s):

And I'm Chad I can't believe Monster's out of Indy Sowash

Joel (37s):

And on this week, show Glassdoor bows down to its overlord, job via go shopping and more job sites the world really, really doesn't need. Grab a red bull and fire up for another crazy week. We'll be right back.

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Jobvite (1m 27s):

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Joel (1m 57s):

Amber still owes us a voiceover for the other commercial that will play later this year. Just making sure you know that Amber, we didn't forget.

Chad (2m 5s):

Amber is busy, man. They're out buying companies. They're like making things happen. She's she's got better things to do than deal with our bullshit.

Joel (2m 13s):

I don't accept that. Hi, how you doing man? And what is it? Week 15 or something of a, the end of the world. I don't remember. Allegedly sports, sports are coming back soon.

Chad (2m 23s):

Yeah. What sports? I don't see. And we keep hearing about these, like the NCAA football conferences, like shutting down and that's the one I really give a shit about in the first place. And it just doesn't seem like that's going to come back in. That hurts my heart.

Joel (2m 40s):

Although you don't care about hockey, I thought I was amusing that hockey said we're not playing in America. That shit's fucked up. We're taking, we're taking both both leagues or both divisions to Canada to play out the season. So yeah, so they're in a baseball is allegedly coming back. It's funny that the Mets are offering fans to pay. I think it's $75 to have their face cut out and put in the stands during the games. So, so that's a funny promo, I guess they're they're giving to charity there and basketball is apparently coming back, even though Russell Westbrook, sorry, Adam Gordon.

Joel (3m 20s):

You don't know who that is, but he's a popular basketball player. He's got COVID. There is hope that sports will come back and there's a new a, there's a new helmet. I don't know if you've seen this for football. Yeah. That's like a builtin face mask within the football helmet to keep, to keep the germs away from those places.

Chad (-):

No, come one. Really?

Joel (3m 37s):

So yeah. Yeah. It's like a plastic face shield within the, the actual helmet,

Chad (3m 44s):

All they need now are like little UV robots on the field with them, you know? And I think that that could do maybe drones. They could do that. Shout out, shout outs. You said Canada and Susan Shay from Calgary connected on LinkedIn. Thanks for listening, Susan. That the last time I was on a plane, it was to and from Calgary. So, and that seems like a lifetime ago, right?

Joel (4m 11s):

Memories. That was such a fun time. We were, we were so naive and innocent back then in February, Jesus, more, more Canadian news, Chad and cheese sponsored job adx invading who's who's headquartered in Canada. So I'm not sure why this took this long, but they are now targeting a Canadian company. So if you're up in the great white North, check out job, adx for your job, programmatic advertising,

Chad (4m 36s):

Gotta I love it. Dawn Blender, who actually said my posts were inspiring another social justice warrior. That's what I'm talking about.

Joel (4m 46s):

Yeah, your posts are inspiring. So Chad, if, if I, if I say robo, Hong, what do you think of?

Chad (4m 56s):

I don't know. A new porn that is COVID free?

Joel (4m 59s):

Well, my friend, you would be wrong. Robo Hung. Our good friend, Hung Lee who produces a popular newsletter now has, I guess, sort of a chat bot, but it's built into WhatsApp that you can sort of search queries on what the news was about, whatever, ask questions. He's calling it Robo Hung, which is sure to get an audience that he wasn't expecting, but a shout out to Hung an his robo hung.

Chad (5m 28s):

Yeah. That thing Is actually powered by Talkpush.

Joel (5m 32s):

Oh yeah. Robo hung powered by Talkpush

Chad (5m 35s):

Ah, push it.

Joel (5m 39s):

Where's the Barry White soundbite when we need it

Chad (5m 42s):

A bevy of shout outs, I have Victoria Conley, Brent Healey and Micole Garate who are always interacting and sharing and being snarky on Twitter. I love that shit. And last but not least Tim Sackett. I've got a question for, for everybody out there. How can Tim Sackett be so damn creepy, but so cute at the same time?

Joel (6m 6s):

It's the bow ties obviously shout out to Dean Anmodaris, I don't know if you know, funky, cold Medina or not, but she has a new position at Activision blizzard, which she's been at for years now, but she is now the global director of talent attraction couldn't have happened to a better person. Dina, shout out to you also shout out to Lauren Sharp. Lauren produces the TA pod a podcast about guess what? Talk position pod TA pod.

Joel (6m 37s):

I don't know. It's it's out. It's it's it's out of Melbourne, I guess. So I don't, I don't speak Australian. So it's top pod. That's what they call it. Top pod Lauren Sharp, shout out. Is it good? Tell me about it what do they talk about

Chad (6m 53s):

It's actually, well, they talk about TA stuff. It's just more down under, they sound smarter because they have better accents. Another shout out to a podcast, shout out to crazy and the King they're officially a part of the evergreen podcast network. They often drop two podcasts a week. I love listening to them because it's about the Michael Hickson and actually they interviewed his wife full interview. And then there's another one where Julian Torn actually have sound bites and they talk through it's a really, really good stuff,

Joel (7m 24s):

A big win for Crazy and the King, a big loss, however, for IBM and my shout outs, IBM recently posted a job and required 12 years experience to this job. However, the technology they were requesting is only six years old. So you try to do the math on that one. Yes.

Chad (7m 45s):

In that article, there was another company who was asking for four years of, I think it was fast API and the guy who actually created fast API said he wasn't qualified because he only created it a year and a half ago. It's like, come on, tell acquisition. You can't be that fucking stupid.

Joel (8m 6s):

Yeah. We're trying to help you here. We're trying to help you stop shooting yourself in the foot for God's sakes. Shout out to Jerome, founder and CEO over there at smart recruiters. A great interview that we did with him, Pat myself on the back as well as you, if you haven't listened to that podcast, please do so. It's. It's great. Yeah.

Chad (8m 23s):

And another CEO, Matt, you Stevenson the Snag a job CEO just dropped today as well. So a couple of CEOs followed by Matt Baxter, the CEO of competitive wedge. We also know as wedgie on LinkedIn, he posted a, an I quote, all press is good press. Finally, someone shamed us for wedgie. I've been waiting five years for this moment, Chad crack kills.

Chad (8m 54s):

That's what I'm talking about. I love, I love CEOs who embrace the shit that we give and then just give it right back. I love that stuff. So big shout out to Matt Baxter from competitive wedge, AKA wedgie,

Joel (9m 8s):

just say no to crack kids. That's all we're saying. Ready for events and online archives and stuff. I guess our travel, our travel schedule is limited now.

Chad (9m 18s):

So the TA global gathering, did you see the stats for this thing? I, I, I love, I love that these digital events Are starting to really, I think, understand it, embrace what they, they, they're more of like a content delivery system, almost like a Netflix, right? So yeah, for, for TA global gathering, they had over 5,300 registrations overall 3,600 attendees from over a hundred countries over 9,200 downloads, over 9,000 downloads and approximately 7,700 hours were watched.

Chad (10m 3s):

And this was during the timeframe. This was all data from last week. Yeah. During the actual event. So that was just fucking impressive.

Joel (10m 13s):

Well, and so by the way, they, they, they launched all I believe you can watch everything if you missed it, particularly if you missed, missed our feature Rama session, featuring next Zuora Jobvite and the eventual winner hiring solved, you should go out and do yourself a favor and check those out.

Chad (10m 33s):

Yeah, I think you've always said that you just, you're just not a fan of these digital events. And I think what this morphs into again, is that it's it's digital content delivery. We go to live events, partly for the content, not entirely, but this piece, I think you can get pulled together some really awesome premier content and turn into almost like a Netflix for the industry. So you can jump in and you can get fresh stuff.

Chad (11m 3s):

And, and when they had hell, they had over a hundred speakers for God's sakes.

Joel (11m 7s):

If virtual events can figure out the networking piece, then I think they've got something.

Chad (11m 13s):

I think that's where it needs to be split because you, you were expecting the same kind of interaction and that's not the case. So I think companies who understand that this is digital content delivery. This is not a, this is not, you know, sitting at the bar, having a drink. Is there something else that you can do to, to hopefully fill that gap possibly. But first, instead of trying to fill that entire expectation, let's just give them damn good content. And I know from my standpoint, I go to live events.

Chad (11m 43s):

I miss a lot of the good content and I don't have access to it later in this case you do. So I think we can find a better way to make sure that we get good content out to the masses and stop calling it an event.

Joel (11m 58s):

Yeah. And I, I haven't heard any feedback maybe you have from vendors and sponsors of the virtual events and whether or not they find it as beneficial or less or equal to a face to face event. My guess would be they prefer the face to face. Although the investment is much less when you do virtual events. Have you heard anything?

Chad (12m 18s):

I haven't, but not, not to mention also when you're talking about these type of events, especially when you're engaged with somebody like us, where we can do a lot of pre promotion, the live happens, but then you also have the post and with live events. In most cases, you don't have the post where we're dropping podcasts, there's videos, all that other stuff. So instead of just having that one big splash and hoping that people come to your booth, you don't just have to hope that happens.

Joel (12m 47s):

Yeah. And if they're feeding, you know, if they're feeding leads because there's 9,000 downloads and giving companies a way to either get that information or drive leads through that process, it's probably a good deal. Yeah.

Chad (12m 60s):

Yeah. I think our expectations need to change. And the only way they're going to change is that for companies like the recruiting events company, who put on TA global gathering for them to be able to shift and package them differently, which they did with this event, I thought it was pretty awesome.

Joel (13m 17s):

Clearly a window for virtual reality to finally take hold and to our, into our lives. Shall we get to news?

Chad (13m 28s):

Topics! Monster? Are they still around? Apparently, apparently so. Yeah, they, they dropped 8% from what I'm hearing on the inside and they are shutting down the Indianapolis office. And this is, this is very, very nostalgic because yeah, back in 1999 kids online career center was the technology I repeat was the technology that became

Chad (14m 2s):

Monster had better branding. They had better marketing, but their technology was shit and they needed better technology, which is why Jeff Taylor, we should get him on the show, which is why Jeff Taylor smartly said, Hey, let's go and repaint that OCC thing over there with a bunch of monsters, merge those things together and use that as a new, bigger job site. Next thing, you know, super bowl commercials, blimps, yada yada, yada Andy McCalvi was on a, a Blitzkrieg of acquisitions and spending money at that point.

Joel (14m 38s):

So, the monster legacy has remained in Indianapolis since that time. And they've had salespeople, customer service, you know, you know this better than I do, but they've been really established here for a long time and have been in many cases, like help foster startups in the area around job, around jobs. So for them to close down in Indianapolis, not only is horrible for those folks, but it's also, I don't know, an end of an era, I guess.

Chad (15m 6s):

Yeah. And also for all of those companies that are out there, especially the vendors who ar