Real Girls, Real AI & Real Talk with Lauren B. Jones

Real Girls, Roosters, and the AI Slop Machine

The boys on HR's Most Dangerous Podcast welcome Lauren B. Jones—founder of Leap Advisory Partners, author of Real Girls Roadmap to Mastering AI, and full-time farm owner whose 4:30 AM rooster, KFC, has no respect for sleep schedules.  

Chad and Joel dive headfirst into the chaotic state of corporate AI. Why are 75% of staffing firms claiming they use AI while a staggering 85% fail to see a single dime of ROI? Simple: executives are using futuristic tech for lazy, "hot freaking garbage" tasks like paying recruiters to spend three hours a day reformatting resumes by hand.  

Lauren drops some harsh truth bombs on overcomplicating technology, navigating mid-life race car hobbies, and solving the "AI Slop" crisis through basic operational sanity: Policy, Education, and Enablement. Plus, the crew debates how to teach kids actual reasoning skills in an era where AI can plan your vacation, generate a custom Taco Bell recipe, and trick entire college classes into failing a test.  

Don't miss this one!

PODCAST TRANSCRIPT

Joel Cheesman (00:24.822)

yeah, it's the podcast your lunch lady warned you about. This is the Chad and Cheese podcast, everybody. I'm your co-host, Joel Cheesman. Joined as always, Chad Sowash is riding shotgun. As we welcome Lauren B. Jones, no relation to I'll be sure, by the way. she's the founder and CEO of Leap Advisory Partners and author of Real Girls Roadmap to Mastering AI. Lauren, welcome to HR's Most Dangerous Podcast.

Chad Sowash (00:36.115)

Hello.

Chad Sowash (00:43.898)

really?

Lauren B. Jones (00:54.796)

Well, I'm super happy to be here. Thank you for having me.

Joel Cheesman (00:57.192)

And we're happy to have you. For those that don't know you out there, give us kind of a Twitter bio about about Lauren.

Lauren B. Jones (01:03.042)

Yep. I'm the founder and CEO of Leap Advisory Partners, as you said. I have been in the staffing and recruiting industry for almost 30 years. I live on a farm in Northern California with my husband who builds race cars. I build Tech Stacks, he builds race cars. So he builds for the BMW series. It's it's club racing for, you know, middle aged men with too much money and not enough sense. So

Joel Cheesman (01:12.735)

Wow.

Chad Sowash (01:27.987)

Mm-hmm.

Chad Sowash (01:32.211)

Well then it's nice that yeah, that's it th this is the economy for him. that's probably not a highlight. Yeah, that's not

Lauren B. Jones (01:34.86)

Just like we like

Joel Cheesman (01:36.118)

And I I think I think we have a highlight. I think we have a highlight from that, Chad. What no. No, sorry, that's the wrong that's the wrong one. My bad.

Lauren B. Jones (01:45.902)

Yes.

Chad Sowash (01:46.255)

Excellent. in in Northern California. How's the day? It's it's morning for you there. What what time is it in California right now?

Lauren B. Jones (01:52.066)

It is. It's it's seven eleven. Yeah, the roosters went off at four thirty.

Joel Cheesman (01:53.046)

What are you farming?

Chad Sowash (01:55.932)

Ooh. So you've been up for a while. So it's all good. It's all good. It's all good.

Lauren B. Jones (02:01.902)

I've been up for a while.

Joel Cheesman (02:01.951)

Roosters things I never thought I'd hear on one of our podcasts is the roosters go off at four thirty. Thank you for that, Lauren. It only took about ten years of podcasting to finally hear the roosters wake up at four thirty.

Chad Sowash (02:05.459)

Yeah.

Lauren B. Jones (02:09.538)

You're welcome.

Chad Sowash (02:13.123)

It's it's funny. We have Portuguese roosters here and they they sleep in. So I love that. That is that is wonderful. The Portuguese know.

Joel Cheesman (02:18.645)

They they drink a nice cappuccino before they get up in the morning there in Portugal. A nice roosters and cappuccino.

Lauren B. Jones (02:24.727)

Yeah, apparently. I wish mine would drink a cappuccino.

Chad Sowash (02:27.923)

So we're you we've got a book that we're gonna talk about and we'll we'll get to that. but the the the bigger issue, the grander issue, talking about AI, talking about we've seen all of these reports, all of these articles, blah, blah, blah, talking about adoption, not being able to reach ROI, all these different things. and I mean, really, we're we're still kind of like in the R D phase of AI for for companies that are out there.

Should we really expect at this point to have it all figured out? I mean, it it that's what it feels like. Whenever you hear or you read, you hear it on the news or you read it in an article, it's like, why haven't these companies figured this out? And it's like, this is some new shit still, right?

Lauren B. Jones (03:14.462)

It it's very new. However, it's very new. I've been traveling the country the last four years trying to you know, convince owners, leaders of, you know, hiring organizations that this is real. This isn't one that you can sit out. As a matter of fact, I open every keynote with who here knows how to use the internet? You know, inevitably everybody raised their hand and I'm like, that's how many people need to know how to utilize these tools. And

Chad Sowash (03:16.017)

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (03:35.517)

Wow.

Chad Sowash (03:39.133)

Dot com. Yes. Uh-huh.

Lauren B. Jones (03:42.945)

And I feel like we're finally starting to see some waking up of I should probably pay attention. And so not having everything perfect because it's still the wild wild west from a policy and legislation and all from that perspective. But yeah you do need to wake up, get organized, find out how you're gonna implement this and get really serious about educating your people.

Chad Sowash (04:09.105)

How do we do that? How how do how do how do we start off with that?

Joel Cheesman (04:09.365)

And what yeah, what level and w and what level makes sense? My dad knows the internet, but I'm not sure he's figured out email yet. I mean, to what degree do you need to know the the internet to be if to sufficient?

Chad Sowash (04:14.739)

Chad Sowash (04:19.643)

no.

Lauren B. Jones (04:21.922)

Well, so I think you need to know basic capability. If you're a CEO running an organization, how do you set the vision for an organization where you have no idea of the capability of some of these tools? And so at the very minimum, educate yourself on on the fundamental capabilities of some of these tools and some of the inherent risks. And there there are risks, just like

You know, the the whole software industry in staffing and recruiting has, you know, evolved over time. And with every, you know, new buzzword or buzz technology that comes out, there is risks, inherent risk. And so you need to have your organization set up appropriately to be able to take those risks in a controlled environment. But you also need to know basic capability. And I feel like that's where some leadership is is absolutely missing the mark.

Chad Sowash (05:14.535)

I mean, it's hard, especially with all these tools. And you're trying to lead a company. Yeah, you're trying to lead a company. or you're trying to lead a talent organization. Let's just say that. I I remember back in the day, the whole internet thing, back in the early internet days, th the there were people on Teams that literally just they took their own time because they really enjoyed

Lauren B. Jones (05:17.666)

Yes, very noisy.

Mm-hmm.

Chad Sowash (05:41.202)

This new technology and they dug into the technology. We're starting to see that on some talent teams. And leaders are pressing for that. Who wants to do this? Who wants to work with Claude, right? We've got Cloud Cowork. Who wants to work with that? Do this. do you see those teams actually making a lot of progress with regard to the use? That means they're just playing with it right now, but do you start to see that they are making more progress in the use and adoption area?

Lauren B. Jones (06:10.998)

Where you I mean 75% of on at least on the staffing and recruiting side, 75% of firms say that they use AI, only fifty percent fifteen percent of those organizations are actually seeing ROI. Why? Largely because we don't ask the question, what problem are we trying to solve for? We're just doing AI for the sake of doing AI. And I I think that's there there's the lack of direction, and you know, what is it that we want to accomplish?

you we sort of give give it a framework. Look at your organization and determine three things. Eliminate it, automate it, or AI it. What can you and and of that, you know, what is a really human where can we spend the most time human to human? and you don't have firms that that look at their organization like that regularly. They're doing this way too infrequently. And I think that's part of the problem.

Chad Sowash (07:01.853)

Well, isn't part of the problem too that they expect the entire thing to be automated as opposed to looking at chunks. I mean, literally looking at the tasks that are being performed and chunking out, okay, what tasks, identifying which tasks just really suck and can be automated, like interview scheduling, right? You know, those types of things.

Lauren B. Jones (07:22.06)

I I had a six-figure recruiter in one of our trainings who's reformatting resumes three hours out of the day. That's bananas. You know, that's banana sandwich. It needs to stop right now. What are you doing? You know, it you need to look at it two ways. Are your people and your technology doing one of two things? Are they revenue generating or revenue preserving? and so what activity are they doing to do one of those two things? and then

Ask your people what gets in their way every day. If you just send out a survey, that one question survey, we did it for, I mean, we do it for all of our firms that we go in and audit, but you know, most recently we had a 90-person firm, which that's not that's it's not a huge firm. but we got all 90 back because it's one qu all 90 people, you know, responded to the survey because it's one freaking question.

Chad Sowash (07:53.543)

Mm.

Lauren B. Jones (08:15.916)

And not only did it give us a roadmap for the entire year of all of these repetitive tasks. So it gave us this AI build roadmap, but we found out three branches had Wi-Fi problems that cost them $30 to fix. So, you know, just asking a single question might keep you really, really well informed about where there's opportunity for automation or AI.

Chad Sowash (08:36.839)

God. If you don't have Wi-Fi people, use your words for God's sakes. Use your damn words.

Joel Cheesman (08:38.099)

Lauren, use your Wi Fi. Yeah. We're we're seeing stories where the people are way ahead of the organization in terms of adopting some of this stuff, right? Like they're on their own with multiple platforms and AI learning new stuff. They're very curious about it. And the organization is still in a meeting, like, okay, how are we going to like slow roll AI into our organization? I assume that.

Lauren B. Jones (08:42.132)

Use your damn words.

Joel Cheesman (09:06.727)

like introduces a lot of challenges with that dynamic in corporate America. What are you seeing and what kind of tips do you give companies to adapt to this new reality?

Lauren B. Jones (09:17.336)

So policy education enablement in that order. Have a policy. Whether you're an individual user, have a personal policy. Have your safe word for your family. I mean, there's a there's it's a $38 billion fraud and scam industry right now with AI. have a company policy. Give your people, you know, some bumpers of what they can and can't do, especially in an environment or an industry where PII, you know, sort of rules our world. There's a ton of vulnerability and

And risk there. So, you know, policy, education, educate your people appropriately. You know, teach them the risks of these tools. A lot of times right now we're we're just teaching, you know, here's how you prompt. Okay, well, we we've moved past just prompting. Now we're context engineering. educate your people appropriately and then enable them with the right consistent tools. you know, you've we

eight like eight something like eighty some odd percent of small businesses are Microsoft shops and yet, you know, many of them that we go into aren't using Copilot at all because they've heard that it's subpar and it sucks. And is it as great as Claude? No, but it's a perfectly capable tool for your frontline people.

Chad Sowash (10:30.717)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (10:31.443)

And is that the education piece I'm interested in? Because if you go back to the internet analogy, like i email was kind of easy to teach. Like here you you get letters in the mail. Here's it's kind of the same thing. But with this, there's you know, there's a YouTube channel for everything. There are tools out there, there's LinkedIn learning. There are so many things. Like, where do you push companies to go to do the education part? Or are they doing it doing it in house?

Lauren B. Jones (10:40.163)

Sure.

Lauren B. Jones (10:57.578)

Of course I push them to my organization because I'm a s I'm I'm a selfish salesperson. but no, I I'm

Chad Sowash (10:59.731)

Duh.

Chad Sowash (11:05.501)

I like she's up front and transparent, cheeseman. I like that.

Joel Cheesman (11:08.009)

We like that. We like that.

Lauren B. Jones (11:10.464)

But i obviously I would push them to to us, but there are plenty of free resources. I mean Claude in and of itself has an academy. I'd say Copilot's probably a little shy, but there are a ton of muc Microsoft options out there, particularly on YouTube. there are a lot of opportunities or I don't know, maybe just sit down with AI and ask it, how do I use you? you know, there I'm throwing out the obvious.

Joel Cheesman (11:37.791)

Genius. I always ask how are you going to kill mankind? But that's just me. That's just me. I wanna know I want to know the secret. I wanna know how it's gonna go down. Yeah, I wanna know how it's gonna go

Lauren B. Jones (11:40.098)

Genius.

Sure. That's just you. Those are dark conversations.

Chad Sowash (11:46.484)

Because they're gonna share the whole game plan with Cheeseman. That's how it goes. So we talk about policy. I mean, our government doesn't even have a policy right now. It w well, they do. The policy is no policy. So it's like usually you usually governments set up kind of like the the the the the test ground, right? And and what to what to what to think about with regard to policy, standard operating procedures, those types of things, guardrails, whatnot.

Lauren B. Jones (11:49.632)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Lauren B. Jones (11:59.215)

Correct. It's a wow, wow, wow.

Chad Sowash (12:14.705)

And there's really none of that to be had. So I are we looking at, you know, the EU and and other countries to be able to to really try to start to understand guidelines, especially in an era when we have all of these large language models, these agents jailbreaking, and and actually hacking other companies, right? I mean w

Lauren B. Jones (12:34.904)

Uh-huh.

Joel Cheesman (12:38.303)

Cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria.

Chad Sowash (12:39.591)

Yeah. Which so we talk about policy and that is very it that that's great to have, but you take a look at where we're at right now, it feels like we're way past that. I mean, can we put the toothpaste back in the tube on this

Lauren B. Jones (12:53.236)

No, but you can you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, but there are some operational things you can just intelligent basic operational things you can do to protect yourself, like not letting your people just use their own ancillary tools without any, you know, oversight. That's silliness. Now you've got your PII everywhere. So, you know, you're and then you know, if something happens, it's like plugging a

Plug in a boat that's sinking, you don't know which hole to plug. So, you know, making sure that your PII isn't everywhere. But you can also look at some of the states here in the US that are, you know, like California, New York, you know, those are the two having a contest to see who could be more difficult to work in. But there are some Massachusetts is is coming in hot, trying to be difficult. but there there is some guidance there. And the two.

Biggest areas of vulnerability or bias and PII. And so if you know that, right, there are things that you can do to protect yourself. So write your policies. You know, we wrote a, you know, a very, very basic framework. You could go to Jasper, Jasper.ai. They have a perfectly out of the good, out-of-the-box, you know, basic policy.

Chad Sowash (14:08.999)

Haven't heard that in a long time. Remember when Jasper AI?

Joel Cheesman (14:10.367)

That's that's Jeeves brother, isn't it? Isn't Jasper and Jeeves related to each other somewhere? Sorry, I love being nostalgic about the internet.

Lauren B. Jones (14:14.652)

Just reviews, I'm sure.

Chad Sowash (14:17.315)

Jasper was big at one time and then, you know, overshadowed by Chat GPT and then everything else just kinda like landslide underneath it.

Lauren B. Jones (14:25.526)

Yeah. I mean Jasper was the first one that understood tonality, which is why he was so popular in the marketing space. And and now that you you know you've got Grok and and you know, some of these he is so sarcastic and snarky and I I love him.

Chad Sowash (14:36.435)

Which no tonality whatsoever.

Joel Cheesman (14:43.829)

That's that's our love language on the show here, actually. Sarcasm. Yeah. Lauren, you you wrote a book. Tell us about it and why did you write it?

Chad Sowash (14:45.715)

I love how you

Lauren B. Jones (14:49.176)

Snark. Yeah.

Chad Sowash (14:49.437)

Yeah. Snark. Yeah. Yeah.

Lauren B. Jones (14:54.295)

It did.

Chad Sowash (14:55.335)

No.

Lauren B. Jones (14:57.55)

well, y you know, writing a book about AI is a little intimidating because as soon as you write it, it's out of date. and I I think we're on our third iteration of of you know updating it. I I wrote it though, to put a framework of, you know, how women protect themselves, how they protect their families, helping them understand some of if you've ever read the book How Women Rise, we have, you know, we have some behavior like

rumination, overcomplicating things that we tend to do in the business world. And we're doing that same thing with AI. We're asking really good questions. Is it safe? Am I gonna destroy the planet? is it cheating? Women are just asking different questions than men. And so when you know I did a little bit of research on this, I felt compelled to to write about it.

Chad Sowash (15:50.558)

So talk a little bit about the research then. Jump into the research. What did you find that actually just stuck out and was either was was either good, good percentages in data or very bad?

Lauren B. Jones (16:04.586)

It started with, you know, again, me traveling the country, training and and talking to executives and just noticing behavior from women, either sitting in the back, not asking questions, being exceedingly reserved, very, very skeptical. And so when I saw this firsthand, that's when I started looking at McKinsey and Gartner and and really looking at it and looking at what

Chad Sowash (16:21.811)

Mm-hmm.

Lauren B. Jones (16:29.824)

women might be up against now because a lot of women do part-time roles, you know, they may be caring for a family. and and so you look at those jobs, and those are very repetitive jobs. A receptionist, you can now have a voice agent. You know, there are a lot of jobs that women traditionally hold that are going to be consumed by AI. So now, you know, AI is not going to replace you someone that knows how to use it will. I wrote the

book to make sure that women knew how to use these tools and that they had something that would guide them as to how to do it safely and maybe give them a little bit of confidence that the planet's not going to be on fire. it's not, you know, ra ra raining hellfire if we use these tools. And it's certainly, most certainly not cheating.

Joel Cheesman (17:19.221)

Who who's the audience for the book? Who do you hope picks it up and and reads it?

Lauren B. Jones (17:24.258)

Well, I hope every career aged woman picks it up to read it. I hope every woman that is at home taking care of a family or managing a PTA budget, these tools can be amazing for your personal life as well. I want to teach them to think entirely differently. It's also for men because we built the Real AI agency, which is our our our training course because men were knocking down our door. we want to be trained too. And what we try

And help everyone see and think differently. You've got to think about the negative space. What in my day? I have a brain dump agent who would have thought at the end of the day, I don't know about you, but right before I go to bed, everything floods through my brain. All of the things I didn't do, I should do, right? And so now I just talk into my handy l dandy little clawed dispatch.

And I have a little agent in the morning that gives me here's your personal to-do list, here's your and here's your work to-do list. It's just about thinking entirely differently. What are the things that take up my brain space? And so, male or female, we want to teach you how to think like an AI architect.

Joel Cheesman (18:37.171)

me it's what I ate and drank the day and what I shouldn't have eaten and drank and what I should have and it's usually what I shouldn't have eaten. Yeah, it's usually yeah, it's not usually good for me.

Chad Sowash (18:42.289)

Just the same list. They're usually the same lists. Yeah.

Lauren B. Jones (18:47.218)

Now you can build yourself a nutritionist, you know. you want a a macros counter, you want you know, I've got a travel agent. She does my entire agenda, tells me what

Joel Cheesman (18:55.847)

I need a copycat recipe book for Taco Bell items. That's what I really need, Lauren. Let's rock. Let's party. Let's party.

Lauren B. Jones (19:00.584)

we could build we could hey, you you you know, if you can write a job description, you can write an agent. And so we certainly can make your Taco Bell agent.

Chad Sowash (19:00.924)

Chad Sowash (19:08.317)

Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (19:10.963)

I love it. I love it.

Chad Sowash (19:11.283)

I don't think I don't think anybody needs a recipe for exploding diarrhea achievement. anyway. So we've I mean we we've seen over the last 30 plus years. I mean humans have always resisted change. And this change is coming much faster than most. the internet came fast, but it still has not it's not coming as fast as this change into automation and agents.

Joel Cheesman (19:16.339)

Mex Mexican pizza recipe, yes.

Chad Sowash (19:41.594)

and AI. So, you know, when we when you're writing the book and you're talking about women overthinking things, right? I mean, I think women overthink things because they're much smarter than us, dumb men. We just don't overthink because we don't have the capacity to do that. So it's much easier for us, keep it simple, stupid. but at the end of the day, if you're overthinking things and you're not adopting, you're getting in your own way. How do you get the reader out of their own way?

Lauren B. Jones (20:10.22)

Right. A confused mind does nothing. One of the best quotes I've ever heard. And so what I want to do is un unwind the confusion. You don't need to be confused. Stop overcomplicating it for the love of God. Take one task a day, one task a day that takes up your brain space and make a determination as to whether or not you can you can automate that, you know, either with an agent or automation.

Chad Sowash (20:13.351)

Yeah.

Chad Sowash (20:27.571)

Mm-hmm.

Lauren B. Jones (20:35.558)

And I think you'll find when you start asking yourself that question, honestly, from macros nutritionist to a travel agent to a brain dump agent. We have an agent that we have like a braggadocious agent that follows your accomplishments at work so that you can continue to build your resume. there's so many applications for these things, and we just don't think or ask ourselves regularly, male and female, what takes up our brain space.

And where do we do our best thinking? And what are the topics where we do our best thinking? How do we do that the majority of the day? And then what are the tasks that are taking up that really great, you know, thinking time?

Joel Cheesman (21:18.525)

You have children, as as Chad and I do as well. And I know I know there are a lot of parents out there struggling with what's this AI thing mean to my children's future? What sh what kind of skills should they be learning? what sort of advice do you give parents of kids of both sexes? what they should be teaching, what kind of environment they should be putting their children in to to thrive in the future?

Lauren B. Jones (21:20.759)

A deal.

Lauren B. Jones (21:43.023)

I think we need really good reasoning skills, which seem to be a lost art with some of our younger generation. and that really good kind of common sense. but the reasoning skills is is is one that I think is really important. We also have to educate our children on the on the dangers. And you know, I have got an entire chapter on safety. and so I think we need to.

Chad Sowash (21:49.895)

Mm-hmm.

Lauren B. Jones (22:10.274)

Help our kids understand what to do, what not to do, and what to look out for. And then you start with that kind of personal policy that that's the best place to start.

Chad Sowash (22:24.819)

Here's here this is this is interesting though because we we're we're looking at society as a whole. We take a look at social media, the impact of social media. Instacart DoorDash can arrive on my door, right? So I don't have to go out and actually see people, right? I can just stay in my jams. then I've got my phone in my hand all the time. And if you're ever walking out, you see everybody not looking at each other, not saying hi, just looking at their phone, watching TikTok, who the hell knows what's going on, right? So when AI

Is introduced into this, it takes all of that, right? You're just talking about having somebody plan a vacation for you. I don't even have to call anybody for that anymore, right? I can just have my AI do it. but what about all of these different AIs that are personal AIs? They're friends, right? as we start, and as to Joel's point, you know, we're seeing adults that are getting hooked into these things.

kids are, and we're saying I think as Facebook just or meta just got nailed for you know like f over, you know, five hundred million dollars with regard to their negative impact through Instagram. This just seems to be snowballing it. I don't know that AI is going to help any of this. So taking what you just said, how do you take that even further to to to ensure that no more harm?

can can happen from AI since it's already happening through all these different levels I just talked.

Lauren B. Jones (23:57.071)

Again, I think it is is proper education. So I've got my youngest daughters in law school, right? So immediately her first year, she's in her third year, and and her first year I got a teacher and a lawyer.

Chad Sowash (24:02.792)

Yeah.

That's a flex. Right there. That's a flex. I love that.

Lauren B. Jones (24:12.658)

but my first question or first week of law school is like, what's what's the sitch with AI? You know, like what and her professors were split down the middle. She's got half that really want to teach them how to use these tools so that they're they are in a really good space to essentially not be threatened by them. And then another 50% of professors who are like, Absolutely not, don't even touch it, don't even talk about it, don't sniff about it in here.

Chad Sowash (24:14.951)

Nice.

Lauren B. Jones (24:37.514)

And so I and I think we're gonna battle with that for a little while. And so my response to that in an in an uncertain environment is to create certainty through a proper education. and I think kid again, kids need to know the risks. they need to know what a predator looks like. They need to know this is not a therapist. You know, you've got some very, very sad stories very early on about some of these tools. And so, you know, this isn't one that parents can sit out either.

Chad Sowash (25:03.411)

Mm-hmm.

Lauren B. Jones (25:06.956)

Much like, you know, social media wasn't one you should be sitting out. We have very stringent rules for our girls growing up. y you know, at at twenty-eight and twenty-five, it was like Facebook, Instagram, and Snapchat were the things that we battled with. but you know, we've talked very openly. So I think transparency with your kids is super important. Do not stick your head in the ground on this one.

Chad Sowash (25:23.293)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (25:29.343)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (25:33.269)

Chad, I don't know why you look at me when you talk about sitting around in your pajamas at home all day. I I don't know why you chose me to sort of stare at when you said that. Yeah, no. Nobody wants that. Lauren, you've been you've been around almost thirty years, almost as much as as long as we've been around. Is is AI making recruitment better?

Chad Sowash (25:40.497)

All I have to say is don't stand up, Cheeseman. Do not stand up. We don't We don't want to see the tidy whities.

Lauren B. Jones (25:49.773)

God.

Lauren B. Jones (26:00.015)

I think it will. I think there I think that there's I think it will. I think there's a lot of slop. you know, as a matter of fact, we we've got an agent called the Stop the Slop Agent. there's just a lot of sloppy content out there. You saw, I don't know if you there was a a news story the other weekend where a professor put Madagascar in his in white font on a test.

Joel Cheesman (26:01.808)

Ha ha ha

Lauren B. Jones (26:28.47)

And 33 out of the 35 kids didn't even edit, you know, their their submission for the final. Only two got a grade, everybody else failed. Well, therein tells me they weren't taught basics on what AI can do, what it's not capable of, that human intervention and humor human oversight is fundamental.

to this tool. So we can't just this is again, this isn't one we can sit out, but this isn't one where we can we have to trust but verify. You can't just send all of this slop out into the world and expect to get a good response. Garbage in is garbage out. And so when people say AI doesn't work, no, you you don't work. And you know, I want to you know I I I did you don't work, you know, I want to sass back.

Chad Sowash (27:18.331)

I don't work. You don't work.

Joel Cheesman (27:22.025)

You can't handle the truth.

Lauren B. Jones (27:23.374)

AI, you know, if you put slop in, you're gonna get slop out. You can't go to AI and talk to it like Google. You need to set up your set up an operating system. That's what we teach, you know, that you've got to set up an operating system. And I'd say nine out of the 10 of the companies that we go into, global instructions aren't set up, preferences aren't set up, memories aren't turned on. How do you make something more intel? You wouldn't hire a person and tell them, write a blog for me.

Right. And and then go, okay, bye. You wouldn't do that with a person. Why would you do that with AI? And so it's this you get a lazy output when you put lazy in. And I think teaching our kids that, you know, what you put in is what you get out. And again, human oversight is a requirement. We'll be in a better space. But until such time, we're gonna continue to see hot frickin' garbage out.

Chad Sowash (27:57.245)

Yeah. Uh-huh.

Chad Sowash (28:16.776)

Mm-hmm.

Chad Sowash (28:20.755)

Hot freaking garbage. It's policy education enablement. That's to stop the slop. And this is Lauren B. Jones, the name of the book, Real Girls Roadmap to Mastering AI. Lauren, how can somebody connect with you? And or, I don't know, maybe go buy the book.

Lauren B. Jones (28:37.452)

Well, the book is available on Amazon. You can find me as the goat leader on LinkedIn, which is probably another podcast. but I because we live on a farm and we've got goats, but I am the goat leader. It's a double entendre, greatest of all time, and I have a goat farm. But you can find me under the goat leader on LinkedIn.

Chad Sowash (28:45.979)

Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (28:57.717)

Forget the goats. The rooster woke me up at four thirty. You're welcome, world. You're welcome, world. Chad, that's another one. That's another one in the can. We out.

Chad Sowash (28:57.853)

Excellent.

Lauren B. Jones (29:00.002)

Everything.

Chad Sowash (29:01.395)

For a yeah.

Lauren B. Jones (29:03.532)

You're welcome. And his name is KFC.

Chad Sowash (29:07.796)

We out.