"Grab your headphones and your happy sock, because Chad, JT, and Mo are here to drop a bombastic episode of HR’s most dangerous podcast.
This week, they tackle the wild world of TikTok’s survival, MrBeast’s surprise bid for global dominance, and a STEM creator taking Pornhub to educational heights (math class just got weird). Chad christens this era as the ‘Fellatio Administration’ while JT and Mo do their best to keep him tethered to reality. It’s equal parts chaos, comedy, and catharsis.
WARNING: Contains unfiltered opinions and far too many jokes about bourbon barrel-aged syrup.
PODCAST TRANSCRIPTION
Chad (00:24.776)
yeah. Welcome to the Chad and Cheese, HR's most dangerous podcast. I am Chad. Are you not entertained? So wash.
Mo (00:26.541)
You
Mo (00:35.247)
I am Maureen, girls rule, boys drool, Clough.
J.T. O'Donnell (00:41.452)
And I'm JT, please invite me someplace warm, O'Donnell.
Chad (00:44.632)
I'd love to have you here. But it's almost down to 60 degrees, so it's getting a little chilly. On this week's cheese-free show, Chaos Management back in the USA, see what I did there? Employer.com and MrBeast bid for TikTok and who knew science, technology, engineering, and math was a fetish? Grab your happy sock, kids. We'll be right back.
Mo (00:44.94)
Hahaha
J.T. O'Donnell (00:49.44)
Yeah, I know you're rubbing it in.
Mo (01:00.908)
You
Chad (01:18.728)
That's a good question. That's a good question. Well, hello. What's up, ladies?
J.T. O'Donnell (01:23.438)
What's up, Chad?
Mo (01:23.449)
What's up, Chad? How's Portugal?
Chad (01:25.135)
Joel, it's, well, it's getting little chilly, as I'd said. It's almost 60 degrees here. I had to put on another layer. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. How about you guys? Where are we at? Mo, where are you at?
J.T. O'Donnell (01:28.951)
Yeah.
Mo (01:31.215)
I'm sorry.
Mo (01:38.649)
We at Seattle, we're hanging on, hanging on here. It's not 60. It is sunny though, so there you go. I know, it's pretty early. But I'm here, I'm here and I'm happy to be here.
Chad (01:43.78)
It's like 9 AM there, right? Noon?
lies. JT, you're on the East Coast. So a little bit better, noon, but what... Ooh. Four degrees, walking the dog. Okay, okay. Okay, kids, so Joel is obviously out this week. It's a blessing and a curse. The blessing is less Taco Bell and Chipotle jokes. The curse...
J.T. O'Donnell (01:56.136)
am. Portsmouth, New Hampshire, baby. Four degrees walking the dog yesterday. Yeah.
What is wrong with this picture?
Mo (02:04.857)
Damn. Yeah, no thanks.
Chad (02:18.406)
I have too much Smarter Co-hosts, so I guess I gotta be on my game this week. JT and Mo, again, welcome back. But first time on the show together, so can't wait to start digging in with you. We got stuff to talk about. This is gonna be re...
Mo (02:20.888)
You
Mo (02:29.305)
Yay.
Mo (02:32.739)
Big female energy today, love it. Here for it.
Chad (02:37.926)
I'm here for it. my God, am I here for it? Jesus. You ready to dig into some shout outs?
Mo (02:45.753)
Let's go.
Chad (02:48.072)
Clearly it's time for shout outs. And for you kids out there, yes, that is Stephen McGrath. We had him do a bunch of new sound effects because everybody knows Stephen is our favorite Scott. So let's hear it again. yeah. So melodic as well. Okay, Mo, you got a shout out. Hit it.
Mo (03:02.127)
you
Mo (03:05.999)
That's amazing. All right, my shout out, it goes to whoever is the White House photographer of this new administration, because what I beheld on whitehouse.gov is a gift that we'll keep on giving. It is legitimately the weirdest headshot I've ever seen in my entire life. I mean, are you kidding me?
I'm pretty speechless, honestly. I saw this and I was like, this can't be real, but this is the one that he chose. what? Where am I? What is happening? Yeah, so.
Chad (03:36.968)
Look at that. Look at that.
Chad (03:44.71)
It's the Emperor Palpatine is what it is.
Mo (03:48.077)
I mean, it's unbelievable. So thank you to whoever made this fly. Like my heart goes out to you forever because this is epic.
Chad (03:57.81)
This is epic. That's whatever you want to call it. Whatever you want to call it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so before, before we get into my shout out, did you guys watch the inauguration at all? Did you wait? What, what, did, what did you think? I keep hearing, cause I didn't have, I didn't, I didn't take the time. I keep hearing that it's kind of like a made for TV movie kind of thing.
Mo (04:00.321)
Epic. Yeah. Excite to be seen.
J.T. O'Donnell (04:11.028)
I did. Yeah, I did watch parts of it.
Mo (04:11.895)
Yeah, I did.
Mo (04:19.247)
You
J.T. O'Donnell (04:22.082)
Well, if you see all the videos afterwards, the memes that were made, literally a bunch of them, I was like, I was thinking that when I'm not kidding you, like literally, was like, I literally, he was, I mean, they just captured moments of, you know, people looking off into space, giggling, fashion issues, you know, the vice president's son patting both parents on the head.
Mo (04:23.332)
Yeah.
Chad (04:29.288)
Hahahaha
Mo (04:29.295)
Totally. Totally.
Mo (04:44.505)
Fashion choices.
J.T. O'Donnell (04:50.638)
You know, it's just, they just put together the greatest montages out of that thing that I don't remember in any inauguration prior to, so.
Mo (04:55.031)
incredible.
Chad (04:57.81)
I really hope that Baron, because he's going to need it, he gets like a fashion consultant or something because he looks like a serial killer. And again, mean, he's a kid, he's 18, 19 years old. But I mean, at the end of the day, mean, you got money, guys. I mean, your brothers look like idiots. Try to get away from that look, please. Please, Baron. my God. OK.
Mo (05:05.815)
Mmm, yeah.
Mo (05:19.36)
Mmm. Yeah. Doesn't buy you class or style, does it? Mm-mm. No, no it does not.
J.T. O'Donnell (05:22.616)
But don't, Chad, you don't, but you remember that age? At that age, nobody older than you knows to tell you what to dress. I mean, when you're 19, your friends know how to dress. And so you're dressing, you're not, you're not gonna listen to anybody. If the fashion consultant is his age or younger, we might have a shot.
Chad (05:29.106)
Oof.
Mo (05:32.707)
Ha ha ha.
Chad (05:33.241)
Yeah, and and he probably won't listen anyway, yeah
Mo (05:38.905)
I mean, I don't know.
Chad (05:39.336)
His friends don't dress like that. His friends don't dress like that. There's no way.
Mo (05:45.025)
I John Fetterman had the right energy. mean, I was like, damn, I applaud your choice. Wow, shorts to the inauguration in like, what, what was it like four degrees or something? I don't know. It's like, go for it, dude.
Chad (05:50.29)
Dude, dude, come on. Yeah.
it was ridiculous. So I gotta, I gotta get ready for my, get ready for my, can I do this? I can't, I gotta do it the right way. Boom, yes. Getting into a beer for my shout out. My shout out goes out to our YouTube subscribers and viewers. A couple of weeks ago, I shared our 2024 Spotify numbers and this week, thanks to our listeners and new viewers, the Chad and She's YouTube channel views grew over 350 % in 2024.
Mo (06:02.135)
You can do it. I believe in you.
Chad (06:24.232)
And watch time to our content was up almost 400%. So shout out to everyone watching the Chad and Cheese on YouTube. Make sure you like, share, comment, subscribe, and make sure all your family, friends, everybody, Chad and Cheese on YouTube. Shout out to you. JT.
Mo (06:40.911)
You
J.T. O'Donnell (06:46.062)
So my shout out is to a guy on LinkedIn named Austin Nasso. You should go look him up, Austin Nasso. If you didn't see this, Austin apparently considers himself an AI futurist as well as a comedian. And he posted a very important breakdown of making $340,000 per year in San Francisco as a software engineer, and it's utterly unlivable. Let me break down why I can't afford it. Some highlights include the DoorDash salads at $1,680 a month.
Mo (06:59.343)
you
Chad (07:09.986)
shit.
J.T. O'Donnell (07:16.334)
The dinner and drinks for hinge dates excluding to Michelin star was 2380. He ends up $1,000 in the hole per month and he doesn't know what to do about it. That also includes the cyber truck lease for 1368. And so he's struggling. Now folks, if you didn't get through the bottom and realize he was joking, right?
Mo (07:32.207)
My favourite part.
Chad (07:37.672)
You're just struggling.
Mo (07:41.58)
You
J.T. O'Donnell (07:42.126)
11,000 comments later and counting half of these are people telling him what's wrong with him and another quarter are giving him financial advice on how to fix his numbers legitimately, legitimately. So I think this is just amazing that he could slide in like this and have this many people not understand he was joking. Austin, you win. Yeah.
Chad (07:55.058)
Come on, come on people, buy a clue.
Mo (07:56.623)
What is wrong with people?
Mo (08:04.847)
We are brilliant. Yep, he's the best. Love that guy.
Chad (08:05.21)
That's amazing. That's amazing. That is amazing. That's amazing. Yes, what we need is more comedy, kids. That's what we need.
J.T. O'Donnell (08:10.742)
Yeah, there's a picture. We do. An intelligent comedy. mean, this thing is hilarious, you know?
Mo (08:17.991)
my God. Yes. I'm getting my news exclusively from The Daily Show for probably about four-ish years. So yes, comedy will save us all.
Chad (08:25.116)
dude, yes. It will. And another thing that's going to save us.
Mo (08:33.359)
You
Chad (08:34.44)
Yeah, that's right. So a week from today, Julie and I are starting our road trip in Spain. That's right, kids. spending a couple of nights in Seville, then hopping north to Caceres for a few nights and ending up in Madrid for the smart recruiters, all hands event. we're to be doing a simulcast, ending up with like a gala before jumping back on a jet plane and coming back to the fury of executive orders happening in the U S and then.
Hopefully you guys will be able to join us in the Transform happening at the Wynn in Las Vegas on March 17th and 19th. So if you can't go to Ireland for St. Patrick's Day, why not the hell go to Las Vegas, spend it with Chad and Cheese at Transform. If you haven't registered, it's coming up. to chadcheese.com slash events. Come see us at Transform. Any thoughts, any travel going on, personal business, what's happening between you two?
Mo (09:16.015)
you
J.T. O'Donnell (09:33.174)
Yeah, I'm literally getting on a plane tonight to Florida. I wasn't kidding. I booked the flight two days ago. I have a daughter that lives there. she's, know, mom's going to come work out of your apartment is how that's going to work for a few days. So I don't freeze, but yeah, I am. And then I'm coming back and, I've, put an order in just so everybody knows I've put an order in for March 11th and 12 here in Portsmouth because I am actually teaching.
Chad (09:36.187)
whoa!
Mo (09:36.759)
Hmm.
the negative four or whatever, makes sense.
Chad (09:45.839)
Amen.
Chad (09:59.677)
Mm-hmm.
J.T. O'Donnell (10:01.686)
a class here for two days. It's a two day mastermind called Expertise Unleashed. And it teaches executives how to build their brand without looking like a jerk. So you got a lot of people out there right now that don't know how to build a brand, right? And their LinkedIn feeds are horrific. And they, we've talked about this, like the whole future is branding. I'm sorry, you're a business of one, you're an expensive brand. You want to make six figures plus a year.
Chad (10:04.904)
that's cool.
Mo (10:06.263)
Awesome.
Mo (10:13.626)
that's key.
Chad (10:15.26)
There are so many.
Mo (10:24.729)
Mm. Yep.
J.T. O'Donnell (10:27.85)
And yet it blows my mind how many people don't understand this. so, so if you're interested DM me because we will be turning up the heat some way here at the 11th and 12th and saving a lot of people's LinkedIn profiles. It is my job. Yeah, literally.
Chad (10:40.37)
So we're gonna, we're... good God.
Mo (10:40.803)
Thank you for your service, honestly. Like, thank you for your service. We need you. I mean, if I have to see another visionary thought leader, like I can't, I cannot do it. my God.
Chad (10:47.528)
Yeah, it's...
Okay, can we break down thought leader real quick? Can we please break down thought leader? I mean, if you are not a leader with execution, who gives a shit what you think? If you have no practical exercise and or experience in actually building shit and putting it out there, then who gives a fuck? I mean, really, I'm a thought leader. When people call me that, I'm like, okay, stop that shit. I actually do stuff.
J.T. O'Donnell (10:56.046)
Right?
Mo (11:08.943)
Mm.
Chad (11:19.45)
I do stuff, right? So, so anyway, what your thoughts, that a bad thing? Do you, do you steer people away from thought leader, JT?
J.T. O'Donnell (11:19.523)
Mm-hmm.
J.T. O'Donnell (11:27.032)
Big time. I actually steer people away from putting leader in there because leader is a compliment somebody pays you about your management style, right? I think the most successful people scrub all subjectivity out of their profiles and just spit facts. It's simple. Throw up the numbers. You throw up the numbers, it's gonna be fine. And then, you know, from a content standpoint, provide something valuable advice-wise. No thought leadership. You know, so yeah, I'm with you.
Chad (11:33.64)
Appreciate that. Appreciate that.
Mo (11:34.275)
Yes.
Chad (11:38.118)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Mo (11:48.559)
You make too much sense, JT. You're making too much sense for me.
Chad (11:54.428)
Yeah. You know what also makes sense? Free stuff kids, free stuff. Go to ChadCheese.com slash free. You get a cool t-shirt. JT wore hers last week from Aaron App. They feel like, yeah, I don't know. Where is yours? They feel like a hug from Chad and Cheese. You got to get one from our friends at Aaron App. We, you don't think so? Cause not anybody, not everybody wants a hug from Chad and Cheese.
Mo (11:57.411)
Mmm.
Mo (12:01.807)
Hey, where's mine? I don't have one.
Want that.
J.T. O'Donnell (12:12.47)
sure you should say it that way. Just throw it out there. Just the visual that comes up in that moment. It's like,
Mo (12:21.123)
We need consent for that.
Chad (12:24.028)
This is why we need you two around, because Joel and I say stupid shit all the time. We have no clue. We're dumb men. Bourbon barrel aged syrup for your Belgian waffles. mean, what could be better than bourbon barrel aged syrup? Pappies, like the best bourbon from our friends at Kiora. Craft beer from the data geeks over at Aspen Tech Labs. We have whiskey from...
Mo (12:33.999)
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J.T. O'Donnell (12:41.454)
Hmm.
Chad (12:52.868)
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dot com slash free and here it comes. Time for topics.
Chad (13:35.72)
I get I gotta get those I gotta get those melded melded together. So we have a fury fury of content that's coming out today kids first and foremost, I would like to call this our Trump negative 2.0 block. So the beginning of the dismantling of DEI in the USSA the this week many
Mo (13:36.911)
That was amazing.
Mo (13:46.882)
you
Mo (14:02.319)
you
Chad (14:04.794)
executive orders were signed and many were revoked. Among those revoked was the Lyndon B. Johnson's executive order 11246, signed back in 1965, focused on, guess what? Equal employment opportunity. Yeah, that's a thing. In conjunction with that, the Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs, AKA OFCCP, within the Department of Labor shall immediately a...
Mo (14:12.655)
Hmm
Chad (14:33.796)
Stop promoting diversity. Cease promoting diversity. B, hold federal contractors and subcontractors responsible for taking affirmative action, which means no enforcement, period. C, allowing or encouraging federal contractors and subcontractors to engage in workforce balanced based on race, color, sex, sexual preference, religion, or national origin.
Holy shit, ladies, we're back in the 1960s. What are your thoughts? Mo, I know I can see it in your eyes. You just want to let loose. Let me hear it. Let me hear it.
Mo (15:11.503)
I just like, what the actual fuck? Like honestly, like what is going on with this? I knew it was coming. I know this is the whole shock and awe campaign. Like that's what's going on right now, but it's still like, it's insane. And to me, when you think about it, first of all, it's horrendous business. I mean, some actual leaders, like we're gonna call them leaders because they actually do lead by example and do good things, right? Like Mark Cuban, he understands that this is just like a bad business practice and-
Chad (15:15.494)
Hahahaha
Chad (15:24.7)
Firestorm.
Mo (15:40.705)
I don't understand how others can't see that, can't see the error of their ways. Like this is just absurd. And the basis for their argument on the reason DEI shouldn't be there is really hinging on meritocracy. Dude, that's not a thing. Like, can we be honest about that? That is not a thing. I have been in countless corporate organizations where I have seen it firsthand. Everybody knows this. It's not a meritocracy and equity is critically important, not just
because it's the morally right thing to do, not just because it's the ethically right thing to do, but also because it is better for business outcomes. So this is just like an incredibly ridiculous own goal, performative action, absurdity, and I hate all of it. I absolutely abhor it, and I could have even been stronger in my feelings, but that is where I am. Mm-hmm.
Chad (16:17.64)
Mm-hmm.
Chad (16:29.224)
What do you think, JT?
J.T. O'Donnell (16:31.522)
You know, for years, I've been saying to job seekers, whether you like it or not, hiring is discrimination. So if you think about it, we get down to five candidates and they all have the exact same skills. Think of them as five apples. I can't eat all five apples today. I got to pick one. Do I want the sour one? I want the green or one? And so we live in this world where hiring is discrimination, but we worked really hard to get that to a place where the discriminating was down to things that...
people had some control over, right? Whether it was your experience, your communication style, et cetera. And so to see us reverse back and allow all these other forms of discrimination come in, it's disheartening. It is. it's, the voice of the job seeker here, they're just, so defeated because it's already hard enough to get a job in this market. You're already fighting against massive competition.
Chad (17:01.051)
Mm-hmm.
Chad (17:25.127)
Mm-hmm.
J.T. O'Donnell (17:25.358)
And it just it's like adds another layer for people and I think it gets people to the point where they just give up now the optimist in me Really hopes that this upsets enough younger people who are thinking about how to form companies and How we'll have teams that manage one day that it'll sit in their cross so badly that they'll They'll go all in the other direction and really start to build up you
Mo (17:32.719)
you
J.T. O'Donnell (17:48.45)
You have to believe that when somebody does something this severe, the pendulum is going to swing back, right? You know, I've got everything crossed. That's the case. and it's just, it's unfortunate, you know, but I, we're going to, we're going to take the cards that are being dealt right this second and I'm going to get scrappy with my clients and we're going to figure out ways, you know? And so, yeah, same thing. Yeah.
Mo (17:52.527)
100%. 100%.
Chad (17:52.7)
Yeah, yeah.
Chad (18:01.362)
Thank you.
Chad (18:07.864)
It's all we can do right now, but to JT's point
Chad (18:14.824)
So real quick for the listeners, I'm gonna kinda hitch up on this one. The OCCP, why does that matter? The OCCP was created to hold government contractors' feet to the fire because if they're taking millions and or billions of taxpayers' money, and we're talking about taxpayers that are black, white, brown, male, female, gay, trans, everybody, right? Okay, so.
Mo (18:15.503)
you
Chad (18:40.294)
Those companies are taking taxpayer money. So there was a different standard created for those government contractors and the OFCCP enforced, past tense, that standard until this week, right? On the corporate America side, mean, corporate America will love working the roads with no guardrails. McDonald's new not so inclusive statement is, quote, we are retiring
setting aspirational representation goals and instead keeping our focus on continuing to embed inclusive practices that grow our business into our everyday process and operations." quote. So the retiring setting aspirational representation goals, lest we not forget kids, what gets measured gets done and they're stopping measuring it, right? So corporate America,
Mo (19:35.087)
Absolutely.
Chad (19:38.3)
We'll stop measuring representation and anything DEI will fade away. Now, the positive part here, I'm going end on a positive. The beautiful part about this is all of these executive orders, they're not hardwired into the system as laws. That's where politicians have gotten lazy and expected presidents to lead by EO instead of Congress actually doing the hard work, doing their fucking jobs.
by hard wiring diversity, equity and inclusion into our society through legislation, right? So yes, we are going to see a firestorm of changes, bad changes, but if they're not hard wired, it's a firestorm that hopefully will only last four years. What damage can be done in four years? That's the hard part, but at the end of the day,
I agree Moe from the meritocracy standpoint. It's much like trickle down economics. It was a great promotional propaganda bullshit scheme that's really helped out 1 % of the population, right? But everybody else bought into it. at that point, yeah, at that point, any, any comments on, on my stupidity I just threw out.
Mo (20:29.071)
.
Mo (20:39.823)
Exactly.
Mo (20:46.575)
100%.
Mo (20:52.589)
I mean, first of all, everything you said made complete sense to me. So no stupidity from me in terms of how I would classify what you just said. I will say that I think to JT's point, are going to see, yes, there will be a lot of this bad outcome for sure. But we will see people who will stand up and say, I'm going to do the right thing both by my moral values and also by my business outcomes. And so people will stand up and say they care about this.
Chad (21:14.994)
Mm-hmm.
Mo (21:20.015)
Costco, there will be more companies, there will be more companies also that are led by Gen Z. Gen Z, I read somewhere, I can't remember exactly where it was, but that they specifically care about business ethics and where they choose to work. And so people will not go take jobs at companies that don't have the values that they do. So that's gonna be an outcome too. You're gonna lose out on talent who gives a damn about what they're doing and the impact they're making. So I'm trying to take a little bit more of a hopeful bet. still, I'm a little bit angry right now.
J.T. O'Donnell (21:44.654)
Mm-hmm.
Mo (21:50.093)
and I'm still kind of working through my emotions, but I'm not gonna get exhausted by this stuff. I am going to keep working and fighting and standing up for the little guy. So this is not cool.
Chad (21:51.72)
Appreciate that, appreciate that.
Chad (22:00.072)
Well, something else that we can talk about next on the executive order pile, hiring freeze plus RTO. So this from the desk of the president quote, by the authority vested in me as president, hereby order a freeze of the hiring of federal citizen employees. The order continues with that. It does not apply to military personnel or to. Jesus Christ, that dog. so.
J.T. O'Donnell (22:07.832)
Yeah.
J.T. O'Donnell (22:27.49)
Hahaha!
Chad (22:29.682)
Portugal, we got dogs. it, where, where was that? There we go. Does not apply to military personnel. No shit. Or the positions related to immigration enforcement, national security, or public safety. it shall not adversely impact social security, medicator, veterans benefits, end quote. then quote within 90 days, OMB and OPM with Doge. That's the.
Mo (22:31.298)
You
Mo (22:38.55)
Exactly.
talker.
Mo (22:56.942)
Doge.
Chad (22:57.018)
idiots Vivek and Elon, will submit a plan to reduce the size of the federal government workforce through efficiency improvements and attrition. Then in a move we've seen from so many companies, now it's going to be tried by the White House, quote, heads of all departments and agencies in the executive branch of government shall, as soon as practical, take all necessary steps to terminate remote work.
J.T. O'Donnell (23:24.846)
you
Chad (23:25.518)
arrangements and require employees to return to work in person as their respective duty stations on a full time basis. quote hiring fleet freeze plus RTO. It's hard to keep a positive outlook this week. What are, what are your thoughts?
J.T. O'Donnell (23:41.41)
Yeah. I mean, we saw it coming, right? I mean, you knew the RTO was coming. Absolutely. As soon as he took office. I literally can't wait to watch how this idea of wasteful spending will be, you know, the wasteful spending czars of Doge, how they're going to handle it. Someone told me that they believe that something around 72 cents, please somebody fact check me.
Mo (23:41.785)
rough.
100%.
Chad (24:00.381)
Doge.
Mo (24:01.43)
Hahaha
J.T. O'Donnell (24:09.738)
of every dollar brought in, taxpayer dollars is wastefully spent. I'm like, really? We're that far off? Okay. So, you know, if they're going to show us some numbers, it'll be fascinating. They're just going to flood the market though with people. That's that. And those government workers are not going to be prepared for the job market that they're walking into. It's already hard enough to get a job, but to try to move from...
Mo (24:14.39)
my lord, okay.
Chad (24:23.656)
Go, yeah.
Mo (24:23.811)
Yep. Totally.
Mo (24:29.667)
Nope. Nope.
J.T. O'Donnell (24:33.676)
Government to for-profit or nonprofit to for-profit changing a lane is so dang hard in this world Because everybody wants what they want I want you know the bilingual brain surgeon for ten bucks an hour bring me those five people I mean every recruiter out there we call them purple squirrels right like like the purple squirrel thing is on steroids right now And then even still if you bring them three people they go well that was a little fast
Chad (24:37.138)
Mm-hmm.
Mo (24:46.735)
Who's 22? Yeah, exactly.
Mo (24:58.425)
Hahaha
J.T. O'Donnell (24:58.536)
There's a lot of people out there. don't you find like seven more? Because you found me three people that are perfect in a week. No, no, no, that can't be right. So now you're going to flood the market with all the... You're talking government workers are going to have no idea how to look for work and are probably not going to get great job search resources. saying. I'm not sure what outplacement program POTUS is going to be using, but I just think, right? I will send them my way, but I just...
Chad (25:04.956)
Yeah. Yeah. I love those hiring managers. Yeah.
Mo (25:05.424)
I have FOMO. Yeah, exactly.
Mo (25:16.047)
Until they come to you.
Is he going to use one? Yeah, exactly.
J.T. O'Donnell (25:28.278)
I can't even, it's already crazy right now. Like if you just spend some time, I can't even when that whole group of people hits the market, it's gonna be insane.
Mo (25:29.807)
.
Chad (25:30.568)
Mm-hmm.
Mo (25:35.759)
It's definitely rough out there. What I found interesting about this whole move is they're saying the quiet part out loud that a lot of people don't actually acknowledge publicly, which is that they expect attrition with RTO initiatives. That is the freaking point. That is a layoff without calling it a layoff. I call them RTO layoffs. That's what it is. And so here we go.
Chad (25:47.125)
yeah. yeah.
J.T. O'Donnell (25:47.702)
100%.
J.T. O'Donnell (25:51.214)
100%.
Mo (25:55.105)
And I do think that it's going to impact people who are older, more experienced workers who have embedded themselves in communities who might be caring for older relatives, who might have kids in schools and have a community around them, and they're not gonna be able to go back. I also think that's by design, because they are likely to potentially have a higher income, right? So it's just, it's gross.
We see what they're doing. We know what they're doing. Like you said, JT, mean, obviously we all saw this coming. It doesn't make it suck any less. Hopefully those people have a contingency plan, a plan B. We all need that in corporate these days because the 30 year corporate career or government career is dead. So it's just, it's a shame, but you know, everybody in this situation, I'm sure was not surprised by what happened. And I also want to say, I think it will be interesting to see what falls apart in the wake of all these people leaving, right? Because guess what?
People make things work. People do things that make things function. Companies and governments function. And so we'll see some sort of a repercussion from this move. And it might be something that really like hurts Trump and his administration because they made this call. And people are like, shit, this thing broke. And it's because they made this call. Well, thanks a lot. It's almost like, remember when the Spotify CEO laid off like 1500 employees and was like, shit, it's harder to get stuff done now. It's like.
people need to recognize that workers make companies make governments function. Like this is not rocket science, but apparently it is. I mean, we have a rocket scientist at the helm, an Elon Musk, and he's doing this kind of shit. So I don't know what to tell you. We're screwed.
Chad (27:26.664)
Yeah, well, I mean, Elon actually said it that he's they're looking for people to quit. Like he said, they're saying the quiet part out loud. according to OMB about 1.1 million employees, 46 % of the civilian population were eligible for some form of remote work. 1.1 million. Right. So take a look and think about this. So they're looking to actually
Mo (27:32.685)
Yeah, exactly. Totally.
Chad (27:55.602)
close the borders, which they're already doing, which means a lot of these entry level jobs that Americans just won't do anyway, right? Do they expect these individuals to go do those jobs? I mean, we're talking about the difference between a career risk in the government and then there's just a market mismatch that's going to happen. And then what's going to happen to the job? I mean, this is just fucking lunacy.
Mo (28:03.471)
Exactly.
Mo (28:18.255)
Totally.
J.T. O'Donnell (28:22.638)
Okay, but can we just talk about the fact that I have people right now walking into Home Depot, walking into fast food retail, I shouldn't just name one name, but walking into these places and being told, yeah, I'm not gonna hire you because the moment you get a better job, you're gonna leave. I mean, they're flat out told that.
Mo (28:22.799)
It's crush industries. It's insane.
Mo (28:42.497)
overqualified, right? That's what the... Yep.
J.T. O'Donnell (28:46.014)
So it's not a question of whether, I mean, there are people desperate and will do those jobs now and aren't being given a shot. So who's going to educate all the managers out there that you should be taking those people and giving them a shot? I mean, that is the, mean, you're right. You won't have a choice soon.
Mo (28:50.606)
Yep.
Chad (28:50.748)
Yeah. Yeah.
Chad (28:58.61)
They're not going have a choice soon. They're not going have a choice soon because again, if you push the immigrants out, the ones who are actually doing that job in the first place, the ones that they're leaning heavily on and don't get me wrong, great workers spend almost a hundred billion dollars in taxes every year and we're pushing all that out. Right. So, so it's like, there's going to be this huge mismatch in the workforce and then the economy is going to have problems around that. Do you expect.
Mo (29:03.863)
Exactly.
Mo (29:15.649)
More than some billionaires. Yeah, exactly.
J.T. O'Donnell (29:16.759)
Mm-hmm.
Mo (29:26.543)
Exactly.
Chad (29:27.364)
a careerist who's actually worked at a desk for, I don't know, say last 10 years to go work at a fucking dock. No, no, but, but, that is our supply chain. And we saw what happened to our supply chain during COVID, right? So we, we, we've got it. We've got to be careful around this. It's, it's just, it's crazy.
J.T. O'Donnell (29:35.192)
Mm-hmm.
Mo (29:43.596)
Exactly.
Mo (29:47.735)
We really do. It's like some industries will be completely decimated by this move. And it's like, it's not like we can't see this coming. And so all of this is to say, like, what kind of leadership is this when you can see what is going to be the fallout from people being fearful for their jobs, being fearful for their family's abilities to stay in this country? Like, it's just I'm so sick of all of this nonsense. It's absurd. And, you know, the othering and the xenophobia and everything, it's just insane.
J.T. O'Donnell (29:49.12)
Yeah, and me and what.
Chad (29:53.213)
Mm.
Chad (30:07.622)
Yeah.
Chad (30:16.294)
It's insane. And what is also insane is that we're going to talk about Mr. Beast. We'll be right back.
Mo (30:19.437)
You
Hahaha!
Chad (30:27.864)
Okay, and another what the fuck moment for God's sakes. TikTok and you don't stop. TikTok shuts its 170 million American users out for a few hours last weekend and then allowed Americans back into the system, but not before receiving the following message. Quote, thanks for your patience and support. As a result of President Trump's efforts, who is not president yet, officially.
TikTok is back in the USA." So Trump signed an executive order delaying the shutdown for 75 days and has suggested he might require ByteDance to give up a 50 % stake to avert a total shutdown. Enter employer.com. Who the hell are those guys? And YouTube star.
Mr. Beast, yes, the same Mr. Beast who has more than 346 million subscribers on YouTube. Jesus, that's fucking, it's crazy. Mr. Beast is part of a group of investors assembled by employer.com's CEO, Jesse Tinsley, who are submitting an all cash deal to buy TikTok's U.S. business before a possible ban. Mo and JT, let's break this down, bite by bite. What do you think about
Mo (31:27.631)
it is.
Chad (31:46.364)
Tiktok's brief shutdown. JT, you go first. is your lane. This is definitely, we're all on the socials, but Tiktok, definitely your lane. Hit it.
Mo (31:51.874)
You
J.T. O'Donnell (31:52.888)
Yeah.
J.T. O'Donnell (31:57.378)
I mean, if you hung out at any time, it Saturday on TikTok, it was just a tear fest, right? Like I just, couldn't, I couldn't get tears off my page, you know, and desperate pleas to go to other platforms. So then all of a sudden it comes back on in Sunday and you go from tears to rage. just, know, rage, rage, rage, rage. It's like, whoa, just like way too much drama. But it still comes back to the fact that whatever administration, government as a whole,
really wants a handle on TikTok. They want access to it. And there's a million different theories out there, but I just look at the fact that they have the best algorithm out there. They have the best algorithm out there and people want it. And so, you can wrap it up in any way that you wanna talk about the risks and everything. And I respect that and understand that, but America, we like...
Chad (32:29.341)
Mm-hmm.
Chad (32:38.492)
They do. They do.
Chad (32:50.727)
Mm-hmm.
J.T. O'Donnell (32:55.302)
having what we want and getting what we want and you know, we want this algo, you know, our people are on it. We want this algo. So we're going to do what it takes to get it. just, that's where it's going to end up. So we may be back in 90 days or 75 or whatever it was, if they don't get their way, because ultimately one way or another, it's going to come down to somebody in the U S getting their mitts on that.
Mo (32:58.041)
We do.
Mo (33:19.887)
That's a strong point. I gotta say, like, have we all lost our damn minds? Do we not remember that back a few years ago, Donald Trump was like, we have got to ban TikTok, China has TikTok, blah, blah, I can't do the voice. I wish I were Austin Naso, by the way. He does an incredible Donald Trump voice. Please go check it out. And Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerberg and all of them. But anyway.
He was the one who put us in this position and now we're heralding him as the savior of TikTok. Like, I can't guys. Like the cognitive dissonance that is required to like survive. Like what the, what is going on? Like he made this happen. He didn't, it's so infuriating. But I mean, I think I have a lot of mixed feelings about it. You know, the CCP involvement is concerning for sure. Like I understand the idea that it could be a problem, right? For sure.
Chad (34:05.03)
Yeah, of course. Yeah.
Mo (34:08.559)
I also understand that a lot of people make significant money and incomes and side hustles and have full platforms on TikTok. And it hurts my heart to think of that just dissolving. So, you know, obviously I have no say in whatever happens, but as far as Mr. Beast goes, man, that guy is a legend in my house. My kids are like obsessed with Jimmy Donaldson. Like he is the man. So.
Chad (34:16.672)
yeah. yeah.
Mo (34:34.913)
I'd rather him than some other people, I suppose. And, you know, we'll see what happens, but yeah, I mean, sure. Why not the like world's most prolific content creator? Like he could probably make it better maybe, but yeah, I agree. The algorithm is something to behold and I can see how people want to get in on that in the U.S.
Chad (34:39.164)
Mm-hmm.
Chad (34:53.798)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead, go ahead.
J.T. O'Donnell (34:55.116)
make a prediction. Yeah. we're so close to the next thing. We're due. We're due to like everything. Everything has its peak and TikTok is like, it's not that it won't be around for a long time. Facebook is still here, but she ain't number one. You know what I mean? And so, we'll talk. Well, we're all busy obsessing over this. There's some crazy cool stuff come down the pike and all it's going to take this one to go viral and figure it out.
Mo (34:57.529)
You're good at those.
Chad (35:06.492)
Mm-hmm.
Mo (35:14.415)
She's had her day.
Chad (35:14.63)
Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah?
Mo (35:25.219)
Is it gonna be Red Note?
J.T. O'Donnell (35:25.624)
So I'm always looking for that one and I will be here for it when it arrives.
Chad (35:28.36)
Well, Red Note is owned by China. I mean, it is literally owned by China. Yeah, I know. It's like...
Mo (35:28.847)
I know that's why I thought I found it so entertaining. I was like this is our plan B? What's happening?
J.T. O'Donnell (35:37.196)
Well, and flip, you literally make money the moment you get on the app and you review products and make money. mean, like they're looking at the monetization of TikTok and going, there's a whole next gen thing here that will drive people. So it's just a matter of time.
Chad (35:42.76)
It's crazy.
Mo (35:43.033)
Wow.
Chad (35:47.592)
Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So, I mean, all I have to say is, is this is the...
Mo (35:49.327)
Yeah.
Chad (35:57.134)
episode. I mean, this administration, this and stick with me here real quick, kids. I mean, this administration is going to be known as the fellatio administration because tick tock, tick tock publicly got on their knees and figuratively performed fellatio on Trump with the bullshit message. And then in an effort to score great optics and marketing value, employer.com pulls in Mr. Beast.
Mo (36:11.705)
dying.
Mo (36:21.037)
you
Chad (36:26.184)
and other investors, very smart, very smart until unfortunately, employer.com CEO, Jesse Tinsley made this statement covered by Bloomberg quote, as president Trump's Trump reestablishes American dominance. don't know why I'm giving that voice, but I'm going to continue. Our group stands ready to partner with the U S government to acquire Tik TOK and help.
Mo (36:28.44)
You
Chad (36:52.07)
secure the state and stabilize the platform for hundreds of millions of Americans to safely enjoy." Dude, get off your knees. So embarrassing. It's so embarrassing watching not just Tinsley, but Zuckerberg, Gravel, watching Pachai, Bezos, and Musk. mean, very powerful men just wither, just wither.
Mo (37:09.983)
God, I can't.
Mo (37:18.659)
What's the point of fuck you money if you can't say fuck you? Like, are you kidding me?
Chad (37:23.048)
It feels in in in kids. I don't this is not a hyperbole thing. This feels like oligarchs in Putin Tell me it's different. How is it different? I mean it so to me again. It's another what the fuck moment and I'm sorry again. I think we're gonna get t-shirts of you know, fellatio 2025 created
Mo (37:33.268)
Mm-hmm. It's not. It's not.
Mo (37:40.77)
You
Mo (37:50.925)
No, no. Hard pass. The female energy on this call is a no.
Chad (37:53.957)
I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Huh?
J.T. O'Donnell (37:56.098)
I want to know what's in that beer. What is up with Portugal beer? Cracks a beer and well, wow. I mean, there we go. Get there. it's just better. Just getting better.
Mo (37:59.951)
I'm dying.
Chad (38:04.036)
It's it's it's it's just good stuff. It's just good stuff. Yes. Hey, well, and again, this is why I put this out there so you can say, no, that's fucking stupid. And I'm like, OK, thank you. Thank you.
Mo (38:05.039)
This is why you have a diverse team, Chad. We help make better business decisions.
Mo (38:16.759)
Yeah.
J.T. O'Donnell (38:18.19)
No, I mean, I think, no, no, it's just so blatant, right? Everything's so public, so blatant, out loud, there's nothing covert anymore. That's my point. Yep. Yep.
Chad (38:22.32)
It is! It is. It's out loud like you'd said before, right? Everything before was stealthy. No! my god.
Mo (38:22.347)
It is. It's not subtle.
Mo (38:29.475)
Yep, yeah. But the thing that kills me is the mental gymnastics people are doing now to say it ain't so. I'm like, I'm sorry, do you have eyes and half a brain? Because if you do, stop it. Like, come the F on. Like, this is so blatant. This is not normal behavior. This is not normal behavior.
Chad (38:36.051)
my god.
Chad (38:43.42)
Yes. Yes.
Chad (38:49.426)
Well, yes. When you see Musk like re-tweeting, re-exing, re-whatever the fuck he's doing with AFD posts, right? And then he has the Nazi salute, not just once but twice, right? You cannot unsee that shit, right? So it's like, this is... But the thing is, this is the flood of shit that comes at us so that we're distracted.
Mo (38:54.269)
my god. I cannot.
Mo (39:03.321)
Twice! So people knew what he was doing!
my God, wake up people.
Mo (39:14.541)
Yeah, shock and awe. Yeah.
Chad (39:17.892)
away from the things like 11-246, right? DEIB, those types of things.
J.T. O'Donnell (39:26.06)
Or we just get all so numb to it that nothing phases us. That is where we're headed. We're just gonna be not even phased.
Chad (39:29.106)
See, and that is also a thing.
Mo (39:31.311)
That's what they're hoping for and it's not gonna work on me, Nope. I mean, I wish it weren't so as much as the next person, but I'm not gonna do those mental hurdles in gymnastics to contort myself into a human pretzel so that I can accept what just happened. Nope, not happening. I know what happened. I saw it with my own eyes.
Chad (39:34.6)
That is...
Chad (39:48.7)
Yeah, that's a great transition for our next segment, Pornhub. We'll be right back.
Chad (40:01.248)
All right, so content creators to the left of us and piles of cash to the right. Zara Dar left her doctorate in bioengineering to become a full-time creator. Here's a little background from Dar's LinkedIn profile. Quote, I am an American STEM content creator with a background in engineering and growing passion for computer science. After mastering out of a top PhD program,
Mo (40:14.232)
Eh.
Chad (40:29.992)
I chose to pursue content creation full time. I run a STEM focused YouTube channel with over 150,000 subscribers where I create engaging educational content." DARS content on OnlyFans, I'm gonna go there real quick, earned her $240,000 last month. Yes, last month in December of 2024. So it's apparent that DARS STEM content is popular. But there's a kinky twist as
Recently, she posted the following on LinkedIn, quote, people may not know this, but I published the same STEM videos. That's science, technology, engineering, math kids, STEM videos on both YouTube and porn hub, porn hub, porn hub. Yes. While YouTube generates more views, the ad revenue per 1 million views on porn hub is nearly three times higher. End quote. Does this mean Khan Academy should also put
Mo (41:15.779)
Mm.
Chad (41:28.73)
all of their educational videos on Pornhub.
Mo (41:31.363)
Ha ha ha!
J.T. O'Donnell (41:32.782)
I'm sorry, I'm busy setting up my Pornhub account. Hold on a second. I just.
Mo (41:35.085)
Yeah, exactly. I'm like, this girl has it figured out. Maybe we are doing it wrong. Like maybe I need to completely transition all my content. I'm like vacillating between girl, get that bag and my God, like what has this world come to? this is, we want more women in STEM, but this I don't think is how they meant it.
Chad (41:41.64)
soon!
J.T. O'Donnell (41:55.854)
But it is fascinating to me that she said, look, it's the same videos. And I just want to throw that out because content creators who monetize on content do pop out on multiple, right? LinkedIn, TikTok, YouTube, you get comped on some, you get known on others, and you sit there. for people who that's their living, they're trying to optimize. For her to make a statement like that, to say the content's not any different. So you can watch it free on YouTube.
Mo (42:01.155)
That is fascinating.
Chad (42:01.191)
Guess?
Chad (42:09.116)
Yeah. Yep. Yep.
Mo (42:09.527)
true. It's true.
J.T. O'Donnell (42:25.44)
That is fascinating to me. It talks about the monetization models of both sides and what gets valued. I don't know.
Mo (42:27.895)
It's fast.
Chad (42:34.466)
Is she saving the education system though? mean, all these people that are flooding to Pornhub and they're finding themselves watching STEM videos, is she single-handedly just fixing the education process? Huh?
Mo (42:34.671)
100
Mo (42:45.967)
I tip my hat, I tip my hat. We do, that's true. Absolutely. How much did you take away from this content? But she does post other content on OnlyFans. It's not only the same things that she puts on YouTube, so I think that's an important factor here. She posts some.
J.T. O'Donnell (42:46.316)
Well, we need to see the grades. mean, I mean, could you post your grade after you watch the video and let me know? Because if it's worth it, you know.
Chad (42:55.272)
Fair point, fair play, fair play.
Chad (43:03.836)
I didn't check that out, but okay.
Mo (43:05.287)
Chad (43:07.878)
Okay, okay.
Chad (43:15.368)
Could be. Could be.
Chad (43:28.584)
Do you think she's doing like the naked news thing though? On, on, on OnlyFans? Okay, because she said that her, content's the same going from YouTube to PornHub. I mean, OnlyFans might be different, but I mean, yeah, that's...
Mo (43:36.151)
you
Mo (43:41.199)
According to BI, yeah, that's true. Maybe it's different OnlyFans versus Pornhub. Yeah, that may be absolutely accurate. And so I take that aspect back. Yes.
Chad (43:47.143)
Mm-hmm. Okay.
J.T. O'Donnell (43:53.164)
Yeah.
Chad (43:53.256)
but bioengineering. You got something on your mind, JT. Get it out there. Get it out there.
Mo (43:53.551)
It's just...
J.T. O'Donnell (43:58.722)
I just, you know, we're sitting there and we're talking about, we live in a country, thank goodness, where you can, you know, create your own businesses and be an entrepreneur and set these things up. you know, like you see something like that and, you know, she's teaching us something that, you know, she's made a choice. This is how she wants to monetize. It's successful. And it just reminds you that there's a lot of different ways to make a dollar.
Mo (44:10.913)
Amen.
J.T. O'Donnell (44:27.906)
lot of different ways to make a dollar and she's in STEM, know, I'm not gonna lie, engineering degree, know, nerd girl, you know, I'm impressed. think all the females are gonna come at me after this session, you know, her choice to do what she wants, but she's taking something she's really passionate about, advertising, you'd be shocked.
Mo (44:28.943)
A lot of different ways.
Mo (44:35.471)
Yeah. Tufts.
Chad (44:45.746)
Why would they come after you though? Because this is empowerment. How is this not empowerment?
Mo (44:47.469)
I don't think they should. It's personal choice.
J.T. O'Donnell (44:51.192)
So some will say empowerment, some will say that she's cheapening herself in order to do this and selling out, if you will. Same content. That's same content. I agree. So to me, I think it's impressive what she's done. And I think it just shows there's a lot of different ways to make money off content. It's not just one silo, not just taking your clothes off. It's not just being funny.
Mo (44:55.023)
Hmm.
Chad (44:57.544)
$240,000 last month.
Mo (44:58.543)
I mean, yeah, cheapening yourself to make 240k. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like. Get that.
Chad (45:01.978)
You call that cheap? You call that cheap?
J.T. O'Donnell (45:19.822)
We are a content economy, we're a service economy, and I think everyone is a content creator. Everyone has the ability to create content in them and make money off it. That is the truth, and I look at that and go, she's giving an amazing example of it.
Mo (45:22.169)
We are.
Mo (45:35.331)
Yeah, that's fair.
Chad (45:36.132)
I agree. And I'd like to say thank you both for helping us make content right here. If Joel was on, he would already be pulling together the OnlyFans. Thank God he's not here. But again, thanks, JT. Thanks, Mo.
Mo (45:52.259)
Thank God he's not here today, huh?
Chad (45:59.368)
Another great show again, making it a hell of a lot more smart than two of us dummies. We appreciate all of it and we'll see you back. Oh yeah, by the way, listeners.
It's that time. We out!
J.T. O'Donnell (46:18.754)
you
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