Vegas, baby! Talking Velocity Global, Wells Fargo, California Pay Transparency, WorkReels and the Unleash Roundup, live from the Lobby Bar! Can you tell we haven’t been let out in awhile?
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Oh yeah. We are alive from the lobby bar at the MGM Grand boys and girls. You're listening to the Chad and Cheese podcast. This is your co-host Joel "brain-dead and hung over" Cheeseman.
Chad (1m 12s):
And this is Chad "fueled by Maker's Mark" Sowash.
Joel (1m 15s):
And on this week's show, Velocity goes full velociraptor. Wells Fargo sucks and Tik Tok for recruiters. Just shoot me now, God. Let's do this.
Chad (1m 30s):
Oh shit, dude. This is fucking crazy.
Joel (1m 32s):
Maybe the most uninspired show will ever do this year. We are so dead at the end of Unleash. Oh, Lucky for you, our listeners we're going to record a goddamn weekly show.
Chad (1m 43s):
We're here for you. And let me just tell you kids, when you go back to live shows, I want to give you a little advice. Okay. You're going to be excited as fuck, which means your battery's going to run down much quicker, right? So just know you should probably try to schedule a nap in there somewhere.
Joel (2m 1s):
I've learned that conferences are a full contact sport. Like you have to be prepared physically and mentally for two to three days in Vegas for a recruitment conference. So we, you and I need to get back into conference shape because we are grossly grossly under physiqued for this thing.
Chad (2m 23s):
Under, under. What is going on? Breaking the news folks. Oh good. God. We just free drinks from Calm.
Joel (2m 30s):
A vendor just bought us a round of drinks. Sitting next to us, enjoying the podcast.
Chad (2m 36s):
Meditation app or why me? What is,
Joel (2m 37s):
Oh, wait, wait, here we go. Well, we'll give you two minutes to tell us about Calm. How does that sound? In return for the drinks? Give us the elevator pitch on call. Ready? Go.
Calm Spokeswoman (2m 50s):
Thank you so much, Chad and cheese for this amazing opportunity. And I hope you enjoy your drinks that I just brought over for you.
Chad (2m 57s):
You didn't get the cheapest.
Calm Spokeswoman (2m 58s):
I got you what you asked me the Makers need. Yeah. So Calm for Business is this amazing offering that we have taken our consumer brand and built it into a business brand. So employers can offer Calm to all their employees as a benefit to really help them be proactive about mental wellness and mental health. In the world that we're living in right now, tragedy and all sorts of awfulness everywhere that's impacting mental health and mental wellness of everyone in the workplace as well. And when you have people at work coming depressed, anxious, stressed, lacking, proper sleep.
Calm Spokeswoman (3m 40s):
That impacts productivity. That impacts business outcomes. So Calm is here to help employees and the world be proactive about their mental health and their mental resilience, in the form of listening to meditations, listening to sleep stories, listening to calming music,
Chad (3m 59s):
Is Kenny G on there? That's what I want to know.
Calm Spokeswoman (4m 1s):
Not yet, but maybe, maybe we can, we can get him there. Yeah. And I got to say coming from me, who's never really been into meditation. I'm obsessed with Calm. I am obsessed for it because I listened to the piano pop covers with my children at night. Oh my God. This is not a Kenny G commercial.
Chad (4m 20s):
Come on, Nina. Where can we learn more about Calm.
Calm Spokeswoman (4m 22s):
You can learn more about Calm by visiting calm.com.
Chad (4m 30s):
Calm Spokeswoman (4m 30s):
Joel (4m 30s):
I love the domain. I love the concept and I'm smelling weed as she's giving that commercial. So I'm so relaxed right now. Calm everybody. Thank you for the drinks.
Chad (4m 40s):
Thank You for the drinks. Awesome. calm.com. That's right. And I feel much calmer because I got my calm drink. What? My, no, that's my drink.
Joel (4m 54s):
Oh. As I said, brain dead. Brain dead.
Chad (4m 56s):
I know. You're trying to steal my drink. That's what it was.
Joel (4m 58s):
We got the shout outs. Or do you have more to say about the conference.
Chad (5m 2s):
Shout outs to Calm for God's sakes, shout out to free fucking drinks..
Joel (5m 5s):
Shout outs to Calm everybody.
Chad (5m 6s):
That's nice. That's awesome.
Joel (5m 7s):
Calm in Vegas, good luck with that.
Chad (5m 11s):
Shout out to Mark fucking Coleman that dude and his team. Good guide Kate and Vicki and Paige. And I mean the list goes on, man. They worked their asses off for a great fucking conference. So shout out to Mark Coleman.
Joel (5m 28s):
Tall is Mark Coleman.
Chad (5m 29s):
Mark Coleman is 7'2"
Joel (5m 31s):
He's the Adonis of the conference world. Good Lord.
Chad (5m 33s):
That Irish accent. I mean come on. Just sexy.
Joel (5m 37s):
Oh come on. I'm in love. So dreaming, dreaming, and who else is dreamy? I'm going to give a shout out to Matt Alder.
Chad (5m 43s):
The British guy.
Joel (5m 44s):
The British guy. You know, he, we spent some quality time together. We connected across the pond. We went out for drinks. I had a Laphroaig Scotch. I ordered him a Blanton's mead, which he loved. So we're conquering borders. We're making amends for that British guy label. Matt Alder. Shout out to you, buddy. Shout out to you.
Chad (6m 11s):
Shout out to my wife who it's our birthday this weekend, right? You, you have to go back home because it's also your anniversary. Happy anniversary. My birthday is tomorrow. Julie. Usually my burn rate in Vegas is three days. We are here for six. Shout out to Julie for yeah. Making sure that I know how to marathon this shit as opposed to sprint. Now her, on the other hand, she's going to have issues.
Joel (6m 38s):
Yeah. What was her bedtime? The first night here?
Chad (6m 41s):
e:00 AM. She was at 3:00 AM.
Joel (6m 43s):
And for those keeping score that 6:00 AM on the east coast, which was the her bodily time zone at the time.
Chad (6m 53s):
Joel (6m 53s):
Shout out to Keith Sonderling you know, people will know him as the commish shout out to him for coming out to Vegas, coming on stage with us, giving us some EEOC knowledge.
Chad (7m 8s):
Joel (7m 9s):
Rocking the house, bringing down the house, Keith Sonderling, great human being great EEOC commissioner, shout out to Keith Sonderling.
Chad (7m 19s):
Sonderling. Love it. Love it. Love it. Yeah. I'm reaching for shout outs right now my brain is that shout out to my brain for actually functioning at this point.
Joel (7m 31s):
Shout out to Terry Baker and the kids at Pandologic.
Chad (7m 36s):
Joel (7m 37s):
They pulled together an outstanding VIP event for an exclusive exclusive number of folks in the industry. They pulled out all the stops with a skeleton key to the event with get this a Chad and Cheese key chain. It was unreal.
Chad (7m 55s):
Never done before.
Joel (7m 56s):
Only way to do it with us as leather, leather binding.
Chad (7m 59s):
Joel (7m 59s):
But yeah, there is now a Chad and Cheese key chain. So shout out to the kids at Pandoqlogic and shout out to HireEasy as well.
Chad (8m 11s):
Higher, easy, not higher ease HireEasy
Joel (8m 13s):
Hirees, Not hirees Fans are taking pictures as we're doing the show. So excuse us if there's a,
Chad (8m 21s):
Groupies, we got groupies.
Joel (8m 21s):
Pause in the action. So shout out to HireEase a great dinner with some great friends,
Chad (8m 30s):
Joel (8m 31s):
Chad (8m 31s):
Joel's brain is also, yeah.
Joel (8m 32s):
This is, yeah. This is going to be a hell of a edit job for you, Chad. All right.
Chad (8m 37s):
Well, that's stayin' in...
Joel (8m 39s):
In, and last but not least, we got to mention it every week we got free shit. Chad.
Chad (8m 45s):
We do have free shit.
Joel (8m 46s):
If you like, if you like t-shirts.
Chad (8m 50s):
Free t-shirts, free beer, free whiskey.
Joel (8m 54s):
You got to go to Chadcheese.com. Click on the free link. We got t-shirts from Emissary, beer from Pillar and whiskey from our friends at Textkernel. What are you waiting for? Chadcheese.com/free. And Chad already mentioned his birthday little known fact about us born the same year. One day apart, he's May 27. I'm May 28 happy birthday to us. We're in Vegas. You'll still be in Vegas. I'll be back in Indy for the Indy 500 weekend. Happy birthday to us.
Chad (9m 27s):
Happy birthday to us. Topics!
Joel (9m 29s):
Topics. All right, we're going to do an Unleash roundup to start this thing.
Chad (9m 33s):
Joel (9m 33s):
I've got three things that I want to mention about this show. Number one, and this has been talked about in every interview we did today. It's just good to be back. Human beings are social animals. The masks were off. The hugs were given. The hands were shaking.
Chad (9m 50s):
Joel (9m 51s):
The elbows were rubbed. It was just great to get back and see people and interact. It was really, really nice.
Chad (9m 59s):
One word, baby! Energy. So much energy. When you go to a conference, generally, you feel like a little bit of energy when you're coming into the conference hall. I think, you know, when we did 2019 and we did 20 shows, it was more like, oh fuck right, man. We walked in, Joel, threw his arms up. Like he just won the fucking World's Series or something.
Joel (10m 24s):
So, so happy!
Chad (10m 25s):
So, so excited. Yes.
Joel (10m 26s):
The next comment is, I believe Unleash is a serious up and comer in the conference space in the US.
Chad (10m 34s):
Joel (10m 34s):
Anyone in Europe will know Unleash, but they're making a full court press to make a big splash in the U S and I think that this show really catapulted them into one of those must attend shows in the US. While others have kind of faded over the last couple of years in COVID. These guys have survived. They're out for blood in the good, old red, white, and blue country. And I think that's worth mentioning in my shout outs. Yeah.
Chad (11m 3s):
Yep. And I'm telling you right now, dude, we talked about it with Mark survival, baby. Survival of the fittest. They were a one trick pony. When we entered the pandemic. Events only. They have broadened up. They were actually just like everybody in the pandemic, warp speed and their roadmap and the next thing you know, they are more than just an events company now.
Joel (11m 28s):
And by the way, Jamie Leonard take notes. If you don't think a European conference can make it in the U S Unleash is an example. So I'm talking to you RekFest.
Chad (11m 39s):
Joel (11m 40s):
There's a circus tent in America with your name on it, to come to America.
Chad (11m 45s):
All the, like the arena, or like the outside venues and shit that you could do with Rekfest. And again, we have two entirely different conferences, which is awesome. Unleash, incredibly immersive indoors. Then you have RecFest outside. It's a party. But my God, it is, it is fucking exciting. I love those two shows. Yeah.
Joel (12m 11s):
And my last thing to note is.
Chad (12m 14s):
Joel (12m 14s):
Dude, the Seth Rogan comparisons have got to stop. Additionally, the Jonah Hill comparisons have to stop. I can kind of stomach the Seth Rogan comparison. But to say that I look like Jonah Hill is just going too far. Spreading these lies and much like the COVID virus it's spreading and it needs to stop.
Chad (12m 32s):
Joel (12m 33s):
It needs to stop. And I'll end with that. I'll end with that. But it's been a great week. Love you Unleash. We'll be back. We'll see you in Paris in October.
Chad (12m 42s):
Right there. Nina found it. Thank God per Calm.
Joel (12m 46s):
We're doing Google image searches.
Chad (12m 48s):
God for Calm because they found the one that looks ex Jonah Hill looks exactly like Joel.
Joel (12m 52s):
But there are so many Jonah Hills. I mean, he's like a chameleon. I don't know which one.
Chad (13m 1s):
Okay. That's the Joel.
Joel (13m 7s):
At least Joe Rogan keeps it consistent.
Chad (13m 8s):
All right, what's next?
Joel (13m 10s):
All right. Let's get to velocity global.
Chad (13m 12s):
Good God. $400 million!
Joel (13m 15s):
The company announced that it raised $400 million in its Series B funding round.
Chad (13m 20s):
Joel (13m 21s):
B as in boy. Yes. Increasing the company's valuation sevenfold since the same time last year. Total raised is %500 million. Funds will be used to enhance customer experience and make further strategic investments in technology, sales and marketing, as well as potential future acquisitions. The Denver Colorado based company founded in 2014, counts more than 1200 clients and 7,000 supported employees worldwide. It has more than 700 employees and 47 countries and plans to more than double the number of employees by the end of the year. Chad Velocity has gone full Velociraptor.
Joel (14m 1s):
Chad (14m 2s):
That is fucking crazy. 400 million on a series B, right? I mean, you don't see that kind of cash spent on a B. I mean usually
Joel (14m 13s):
Chad (14m 15s):
Yes. I mean, so again, you take a look at remote.com. You take a look at all these different organizations that allow you as an employer to hire easily, throughout the world, not just hire, but also they work as pretty much, your extension in those countries. Right? So had some great conversations today. I think most of them actually talked about Remote and how that is going to continue. Whether companies like it or not, it's going to continue. And $400 million, I think is fucking ridiculous. But I'm going to tell you right now, these guys can pull it off I think
Joel (14m 53s):
Much like Prince sang in the eighties. It's a sign of the times. Chad things have gotten a little bit off the rails. More pictures. How you doing? All right. So much love and so many fans it's just great! Look, this has turned into an arms race. Yes. Oyster, Deel, Remote, Velocity.
Chad (15m 12s):
Joel (15m 12s):
How much money can go into this remote space? How many, how much blood is going to be spilled for the ones that don't make it? How many players can you have? Traditionally, you have about three players. You have Coke, Pepsi and Dr. Pepper.
Chad (15m 31s):
You have other smaller players.
Joel (15m 33s):
Other smaller players.
Chad (15m 34s):
Fanta still exists.
Joel (15m 35s):
Fantas still exist, but how much is too much? And how many who's going to survive, this is going to be a major talking point in the next year.
Chad (15m 47s):
Yeah. Here's what I think. Here's what I think we're seeing companies like Remote and then we also saw Rippling take a shit ton of cash. I think, again, my opinion, they are getting ready for that long, cold winter. As soon as this bubble bursts and valuations fucking drop. I mean, everything goes shit fucking crazy. They're going to have a war chest to get through it. So I only think that companies like Velocity, they're looking ahead saying, okay, we're going to need some capital to survive.
Joel (16m 21s):
This is it. Yeah. Look, last week we talked about RAD, remote, automation and diversity. I think automation is going to thrive in a downturn.
Chad (16m 29s):
Oh God yes.
Joel (16m 30s):
Companies are going to want to replace human beings. They're going to go automation. I think diversity is going to suffer in a downturn, but Remote. I had a hold on and I think you're right survive the winter, come out on the other side. Remote is not going away. No, it's going to be a thing. And these companies have to build up their war chest to survive. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to talk about. Who's next? I don't know. Next week there'll be another $500 million investment in one of these companies. Let's get to California pay transparency. I know you love this one.
Chad (17m 8s):
Joel (17m 9s):
California state Senate voted to pass what's been called the nation's most aggressive pay transparency measure on Tuesday. Moving forward a bill that would require many businesses to post salary ranges in job ads, as well as publicly report more data about how groups of employees are paid. With the move California could become the third state and the seventh jurisdiction in the nation to require employers with at least 15 employees to publish, pay ranges in job postings, giving applicants access to information before they low ball answers about salary expectations or waste time applying to underpaying shitty jobs.
Joel (17m 49s):
I know you love this! Go.
Chad (17m 53s):
God damn. It's so fucking simple people. And I know corporate America does not want to hear this, but the only way we legitimately get to pay equity is through transparency, right? And what's going to happen is the only way that that will happen is if government forces it, federal government is way too busy doing other shit right now, this is not on, this is not on their radar state government. They're going to take this in stride. And they're not California is not the first state to start to enact some of these measures, right? So I hope we will see more states start to roll into this because what's going to happen is that if big states like California, New York, we're never gonna get Texas because they don't give a fuck who they don't give a fuck who gets paid, what?
Chad (18m 43s):
Right. Live in a fucking cardboard boxes come to work, right? But many states
Joel (18m 47s):
Binders full of women.
Chad (18m 48s):
Exactly. So at the end of the day, man, it's all about transparency, but forcing it, we have to force it. And I hate that government has to do this. I wish CEOs had the fucking balls to be able to do this themselves, but they do not. So they're going to hit pause. There you go.
Joel (19m 11s):
Bottom line companies hiring in the US have to get comfortable with pay information on their job postings.
Chad (19m 19s):
Joel (19m 19s):
More and more states are going to fall in line. More and more cities, municipalities and by the way, it's not just governments. You'll remember that Indeed basically said, but pay information on a job posting, or we're going to make it up for you. We're going to guess what the salary is. So pay transparency is coming. It's already here for much of the vendors that you're using today.
Chad (19m 40s):
Yeah, good call. ]
Joel (19m 40s):
Just get comfortable with it, just swallow the pill and get used to it because that is the nature of the world today.
Chad (19m 47s):
And I got to say, this is the one thing that I am inline with Indeed, on most of the shit, the fucking evil empire. I am not about this shit, but they're going to force the measure. And if you want to use Indeed, which most companies feel like they have to, you are going to have to put up with this. So you might as well, again, like you said, swallow the fucking pill Neo and get into the goddamn matrix.
Joel (20m 11s):
Yeah. Additionally, if you want to be on Google for Jobs, if you have a salary range, you're going to get better rankings in Google. Just get used to this. It's the new normal. We'll be right back. We're going to pay some bills, Drink some water so I get my voice back, maybe whole tight. So Chad, I read this and I thought it was a story from the Onion, but it's a legit story. This is from the New York Times.
Chad (20m 42s):
Joel (20m 45s):
The New York Times reported Wells Fargo.
Chad (20m 46s):
Joel (20m 47s):
Chad (20m 51s):
You might've heard of them.
Joel (20m 52s):
Wells Fargo employees held fake interviews with diverse candidates in order to boost diversity numbers, seven current and former employees, including one former executive, told the Times that they were instructed to interview women and people of color for roles that had already been filled. I know your blood is boiling. Go.
Chad (21m 16s):
How is Wells Fargo even still in existence after the DEI bullshit that, I mean, they've been trying to fuck over people for decades? And we have fucking proof, right? It continues. It continues. So to be able to say Wells Fargo is a bad player in the game. It's easy, right? They're sweeping the leg every fucking time they get a chance. Every time they get a chance. So, and I guarantee you, this is not the only company. Wells Fargo is fucking huge. That's why we know because there are way too many leaks, right? There are other companies that are out there. You know, we're looking at you, talent acquisition professionals, you had better get your shit in line.
Chad (22m 4s):
Because this, especially in this economy with job seekers who are looking to do better for other humans, it's going to come out. You can't fucking hide.
Joel (22m 16s):
If you bank with Wells Fargo and you are in the recruiting human capital industry.
Chad (22m 20s):
You're in DEI.
Joel (22m 21s):
I want you to march right into your Wells Fargo, close your accounts and tell them why you're doing that.
Chad (22m 29s):
Tell them Chad and Cheese sent ya.
Joel (22m 32s):
Wells Fargo does not do business in the great state of Indiana otherwise I would open up an account and then close it and tell them why I was closing it. This is so absurd that
Chad (22m 46s):
Joel (22m 46s):
A little bit beyond words that this happened now, just allegations, but we're talking about the New York Times who, who checks their sources.
Chad (22m 56s):
Who actually does reporting.
Joel (22m 58s):
Regardless of your political beliefs. The New York Times is a reputable source. Boycott, Wells Fargo if you are in the human capital management space. Period.
Chad (23m 8s):
Yes. And I got, I have to say once again, if you are in D E I, if you're a CDO, if you're anybody who cares about equity and inclusion, exactly what Joel just said March into that fucking bank. Do your research on where you put your money, but take that money out. Put it somewhere else. They do not deserve your business.
Joel (23m 31s):
I'm so fired up. We need to take another break.
Chad (23m 34s):
Joel (23m 34s):
All right, Chad, there's a startup we need to mention.
Chad (23m 37s):
Is it OnlyFans?
Joel (23m 38s):
We're in Vegas. I'm OnlyFan, debauchery porn, sin, weed, drugs. I'm to my limit. So I can't talk about it anymore.
Chad (23m 51s):
Joel (23m 54s):
I can't do it.
Chad (23m 55s):
I can't do it.
Joel (23m 57s):
Let's talk about WorkReels
Chad (24m 1s):
Joel (24m 1s):
WorkReels as in movie reels, video.
Chad (24m 4s):
Joel (24m 4s):
Okay. Recently launched WorkReels aims to be TikTok for recruiters.
Chad (24m 10s):
What? What? What?
Joel (24m 10s):
The company claims to be the world's first video story telling platform built specifically for recruitment and employer branding teams. Maybe they haven't heard of VideoMyJob. I don't know. Or
Chad (24m 29s):
Joel (24m 29s):
Yes. Unlike VideoMyJob. However, WorkReels is unique in this way. "Professional editors transform approved recordings into videos, optimized for social media, a jobs page, or any location frequented by a company's likely job seekers. The WorkReels branded player makes sharing and embedding videos easy across LinkedIn, YouTube, desktop, Instagram, and Facebook" according to the company. Chad, is this the real deal or another wannabe?
Chad (24m 56s):
It it's obviously a wannabe, but I mean, you've got to appreciate companies who are trying to leverage all these huge outlets for the possible distribution and whatnot. The hard part about this is, every company that has done well on TikTok. It was through a personal account of an employee.
Joel (25m 23s):
Chad (25m 24s):
Yes. Not from a corporate account, from a personal account. So I think if they can, if they can actually harness employees to be able to share, I mean, this type of information, I think they can do it, but here's the problem. It's not organic. Everything that we've seen from all those successful players have been organic because employees want to do this. Not because they're because they want to. So I believe, unfortunately, this is a great idea that will flounder and crash and fucking burn.
Joel (26m 2s):
TikTok is a big deal.
Chad (26m 6s):
It is a big deal!
Joel (26m 9s):
But you're totally right about the organic nature of TikTok.
Chad (26m 12s):
It's got to be genuine.
Joel (26m 13s):
How many corporate videos have you seen that just suck? Like you're competing with animals eating each other, big booty Latinas
Chad (26m 21s):
And HR manifesto. Yes! She is fucking legit.
Joel (26m 25s):
That's the competition. So you gotta bring your A game when it comes to social media videos today.
Chad (26m 35s):
Joel (26m 36s):
So that's not on WorkReels. That's on the employer.
Chad (26m 39s):
Joel (26m 39s):
What I like about WorkReels is they literally send your video to professional videographers, editors to, I guess, TikTok the video. Right? Make it fun. I don't know what they're going to do.
Chad (26m 48s):
Way too polish, dude. Way too polish.
Joel (26m 49s):
Oh they could pull it off. We haven't seen these videos.
Chad (26m 52s):
Joel (26m 53s):
You're right. If you have an organic video from an employee talking about what it's like to work at your company why they love it and you send it to you send it to these editors and they TikTokify it?
Chad (27m 8s):
Joel (27m 9s):
It could work. I'm saying there's a chance, but a slim chance.
Chad (27m 15s):
But I would like to say is there's a little company called SkillScout who Elena Valentine, who was actually the emcee of this event
Joel (27m 27s):
And her shoe game is tight.
Chad (27m 30s):
Or shoe game. And her and her bumbag game is tight.
Joel (27m 33s):
Her fanny pack is tight.
Chad (27m 34s):
Yeah. They call it the bum bags over where I'm from cause fanny means something different in Europe.
Joel (27m 41s):
Yeah. I feel a new LinkedIn poll coming. Is it fanny pack or bumbag?
Chad (27m 47s):
Anyway, we'll get into, we'll get into the whole anatomical pieces there in a minute, Elena Valentine, Abby Cheeseman SkillScout, right? Those individuals are in this space. They get this space. And if you're going to send your videos to accompany, send it to them cause they know what to fucking do with it! Because it's genuine. They know. Right. I don't have confidence in a company that is just popping up fucking out of nowhere. I just don't.
Joel (28m 17s):
I got no voice left. What? A great week. Great Un leash. Thank you. Calm. Thank you everybody. So many fans so much love.
Chad and Cheese (28m 25s):
We out. We out
OUTRO (29m 5s):
Thank you for listening to, what's it called? The podcast with Chad, the Cheese. Brilliant. They talk about recruiting. They talk about technology, but most of all, they talk about nothing. Just a lot of Shout Outs of people, you don't even know and yet you're listening. It's incredible. And not one word about cheese, not one cheddar, blue, nacho, pepper jack, Swiss. So many cheeses and not one word. So weird. Any hoo be sure to subscribe today on iTunes, Spotify, Google play, or wherever you listen to your podcasts, that way you won't miss an episode. And while you're at it, visit www.chadcheese.com just don't expect to find any recipes for grilled cheese. Is so weird. We out.