ZipRecruiter is Droppin' Mad Stacks


Chad and Cheese land after HR Tech in Vegas drop this crazy podcast - like it's hot - and now off to New Orleans for TA Tech and Startup Death Match. That's right, the boys are covering the industry as only they can - hard and fast.

This weeks Topics

- CareerBuilder launches Pokemon for Jobs

- ZipRecruiter just sponsored the world's most popular podcast

- Is that Google in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

- Facebook staves off the ACLU

- Rigzone sells - well kinda

- It's DHI in for a hostile takeover? How do those owrk anyway?

It's on baby! Be sure to visit sponsors Sovren and JobAdX. They complete us.

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Announcer: Hide your kids. Lock the doors. You're listening to HR's Most Dangerous Podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are here to punch the recruiting industry right where it hurts. Complete with breaking news, brash opinion, and loads of snark. Buckle up boys and girls, it's time for the Chad and Cheese Podcast.

Joel: It's another midnight oil episode, and I'm not talking about the Ozzie band from the '80s. Welcome to the Chad and Cheese Podcast, HR's Most Dangerous. I'm your co-host, Joel Cheesman.

Chad: And I'm Vontae Davis and I quit.

Joel: Dude, we haven't even gotten to halftime, what are you talking about? On this week's episode, Career Builder thinks you'll finally fall in love with augmented reality.

Chad: Oh, God.

Joel: Facebook gets sued for recruitment advertising practices, and is that Google in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me? Poor a cold glass of Zima. Someone could get in trouble tonight.

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Chad: I think I'm gonna actually put like the sovereign banjo in the back of that and see how it sounds.

Joel: I think the voice over for Job, we may have the sexiest most sultry, voice over ads in the podcast universe by far. And anymore Zimas and I might, you know.

Chad: Don't even ...

Joel: Well, I'm not gonna ask you because you don't know. Anyone out there, if they still sell Zima, hit us up on Twitter, #ChadCheese because I don't know if they do or not. I may have made a joke that totally just aged myself, and fell on deaf ears for like anyone under 40 or something.

Chad: I think you aged yourself when you said, Twitters. Like with an S.

Joel: I didn't say Twitters.

Chad: You totally did.

Joel: Hey. It's late at night and I've had a couple whiskeys, but I'm pretty sure I did not say Twitters a la George Bush and the internets. So people apparently love these late night shows, so we're gonna roll with it. We're gonna see how this goes.

Chad: Excellent.

Joel: Yeah, let's get the shout out, so who you got?

Chad: New big fan. That's what he calls himself. Stephen Porter over at FTD gets a shout out. Thanks for the listening, Stephen. Now, all you have to do is get your peers, your clients, and your family listening to Chad and Cheese. Go.

Joel: I like it, I like it. Shout out to Doug Johnson of Jobalign, CEO. Just some nice comments via LinkedIn. He's a fan. Thought I would just give him a shout out.

Chad: Good man. Tim Oliver Proehm, over at Kelly OCG in Germany. He tweeted this. You're not gonna believe it. He tweeted his personal highlight from the first day of HR tech was meeting me, talking programmatic bots, and TA cool shit. I paraphrased that last part. We sat down, had coffee. Gerry Crispin showed up, joined the conversation. We talked about Burning Man for about 20 minutes because he just got back. And that's my friend, how you do coffee. So, thanks, Tim. Really appreciate it buddy.

Joel: So, meeting you was his highlight.

Chad: Yeah, like everybody's.

Joel: All right, shout out to Brett Morris, CEO at Perception Performance Intelligence. Thank God I'm not a sales person at his company. And an Aussie, so he may be getting this early morning tomorrow, or tonight. Big fan of the show. We appreciate you listening, Brett. Keep up the listenership.

Chad: Shawna Williams from Comcast, thanks for listening.

Joel: And that's not for your cable connection, right?

Chad: No, it is for my connection, because I've got a kick ass connection. Infinity. Or Xfinity, whatever the fuck they call it. Nancy from Philly. Thanks for the QA QC, Nancy. Apparently I forgot the E on spelling judge.com website on this week's shred, and I got flamed by Nancy. So thanks, Nancy.

Joel: We're gonna have to keep our sponsors to like five words. Five letters or less so that Chad can spell everything. Love Judge. Peter Weddle shout out. Most of the kids out there will know Peter for the TA Tech conference, but Peter's quite a writer and sent both of us an advance copy or a copy of Circa 2118, if man is still alive, what will we be doing when the robots take over? So I, doing a lot of traveling next week, will make my greatest effort to read, Circa 2118 and probably slash my wrists because I'll be so depressed about what's gonna happen to humanity, but shout out to Peter Weddle for the book.

Chad: I think what Peter did, was he actually just took the transcriptions from our show and he put it in the book. That's fine, it's okay, Peter.

Joel: Are you calling Peter a plagiarizer?

Chad: I don't think it can be a plagiarist if we didn't actually write it, it's just a transcription.

Joel: Well anyway, Peter.

Chad: Props, props to Dave Phoebus from Farmer's Insurance. He heard us talking about Canvas on the pod, and guess who showed up in his office this week with swag?

Joel: Canvas. We are Farmer's, bump da bump, da bump, bump, bump.

Chad: Bill Fanning for the 24 beers he sent me in the mail, because he loves me and he wanted to say thank you. Bill, you are the man.

Joel: We need to start a score card of alcoholic gifts from fans and listeners. You got the lead, so anyone out there who wants to send me any kind of booze whatsoever, please feel free to do so. I'm trying to build up my Irish whiskey collection, so feel free to hook me up with something.

Chad: Well, between Bill and Brendan over at Emissary, my beer fridge is stocked. So, if you wanna send craft beer, I'm your guy. That's all there is to it. Not to mention bourbon. So, one of those two. Anything else, Scotch whiskey, you can send it to Jughead over there.

Joel: How many did he send you, like a case?

Chad: Twenty-four, man.

Joel: Oh my God.

Chad: Yeah, legit. Legit.

Joel: That's some bullshit right there. All right, shout out to, this is a good one I think. Ed Illig, I hope I'm ... maybe I don't hope that I'm saying that correctly. So, there's a company out here in my back, back door, back yard, called Emplify. They just got seven and a half million dollars. Ed is their marketing person, and I've made multiple attempts to contact the company. Like, "Hey, come on, interview you. Learn more about the company," you know. And I've got nothing. I mean, they're literally in the same little bitty borough here in Indianapolis as me. So, Ed, shout out I guess, but really more of sort of a ... You're just not doing your job man.

Chad: Does he not know who you are?

Joel: Well, and you too, man. Come on. You'd make the trek up for Emplify, wouldn't you?

Chad: Yeah, he'd have to spend money on dinner though. Here's the big shout out. Shout out to my wife, Julie Sowash. Tomorrow is our anniversary. Going to Louisville to see St. Paul and The Broken Bones. If you haven't listened to those guys, look them up on YouTube or whatever. Kick ass music. Looking forward to that.

Joel: And yeah, I wanna drug test on her, because you're clearly giving her something to hallucinate into thinking that she's married to George Clooney or something. Because I can't figure out why she married you in the first place and why she's still married to you. But, Julie, hats off to you. I'm kind of his second wife in this whole podcast thing. I can only imagine what a full time marriage is like to Chad Sowash.

Chad: It's wonderful.

Joel: Shout out from me to SourceCon, taking place next week. I'll be making a brief appearance, but I know a lot of our listeners will be going to the fabled sourcing event. All the freaks and geeks out there in sourcing will be there. Hopefully not crying in their beers at the fact that automation will be putting them all out of business in the next five to ten years, but come out to SourceCon, I'll be there.

Chad: They should all pick up Peter Weddle's book, Circa 2118.

Joel: Yeah, Peter, if you're listening, FedEx me a box of books so I can take them to SourceCon.

Chad: Ooh, okay. Are we gonna do this show or what?

Joel: Well let's do a quick Death Match shout out. Next week, TA Tech, if you're not there, FU. Death Match, ALLYO, Canvas, Uncommon, and Talk, push it real good, are taking the stage with Chad, myself, Faith Rothberg, surprise guests, who knows. We're gonna be having a helluva time out there at New Orleans. Shout out to everyone that's going. It should be a great time, and we'll probably do a little bit of live recording, some interviews. There should be some great content coming out of the show. And that is my final shout out.

Joel: CareerBuilder.

Chad: Ooh, talk to me.

Joel: Okay. So Career Builder hoping to one up Monster's release of Monster Studios, dropped augmented reality as part of their newly fangled mobile application, only for us iOS users, sorry Chad.

Chad: That's okay.

Joel: But if you don't know AR, basically you turn your app on, you turn the camera on, on the app. You point it down Main Street and it bubbles up and shows you jobs that are in the buildings from whence you are pointing your camera. And if that doesn't sell you on it, I don't know what will.

Chad: Yeah. It's Pokemon for jobs.

Joel: If it would only be that fun.

Chad: Gotta catch them all. Catch all those fucking jobs, guys. Yeah so, I'm not sure that Career Builder, we talked about the booth, and now we're talking about this AR Pokemon for jobs thing. I'm not sure if they understand the practicality of anything that they're doing right now. They've got some really good product, and they're not spending time focusing on showcasing that. This to me, once again, I hope is going to change in the next few months, because I would love to be able to see this new CEO rip this thing around and actually do better than what they've been doing for the last five to who knows how many years.

Joel: So, you're hoping that this new CEO with the financial background is going to tech up the company basically?

Chad: I don't have high hopes, dude. I do not, but again, I'm cheering for them, although they also know that when they do stupid shit like Pokemon for jobs, we're gonna say it. This is dumb.

Joel: So let me read you the headline from the official press release of this product.

Joel: "Career Builder Creates a Major Industry Disruption with AI Technology That Delivers Next Generation Mobile Job Search and Hiring".

Joel: Do you think they're building it up a little too much with the PR? Here's my take on this, if apps like Yelp, Hotel Tonight, Groupon, real things that probably might work with augmented reality that people might actually point their camera down a street and see what restaurants are there, how do they rate, if none of them are embracing augmented reality, do I really think that people are gonna open up their phone and point it down the street and look at job postings at buildings nearby? I really do not.

Chad: I'm just waiting for them to come out with their new second life job fair app or some shit like that.

Joel: They need to have filters, like Career Builder filters. Someone is gonna get mobile right with job search, but it's not gonna be Career Builder probably, and it's definitely not gonna be augmented reality by Career Builder.

Chad: Yeah, and last week when you were teasing us and I told you sarcastically that I was sitting on the edge of my seat, this is why, because I knew it was gonna be bullshit.

Joel: All right, moving on to a real company called Facebook. They're getting sued. We did talk about this a while back, people were pissed about the companies targeting on Facebook by, oh I don't know, age ...

Chad: Yeah, gender.

Joel: ... gender, location. There's all these cool ways to target on Facebook. Well some people aren't real happy about that, including the ACLU, who decided to sue the company, reported by Pro Publica. Facebook let Uber and 14 other firms advertise jobs exclusively to one gender over the other last year.

Joel: Let's see what else we got. They also say that recruitment ads for nurses at a healthcare facility in Idaho, a diversity hotbed I might add, were marketed exclusively to women.

Chad: Wow!

Joel: Facebook says it does not tolerate discrimination. The ACLU has filed an official complaint against them over this issue. I know you're really pretty fired up over this.

Chad: These guys are fucking stupid. First off, Pro Publica puts out this article and it's titled, "Facebook is Letting Job Advertisers Target Only Men". And they talk about Uber and how Uber's been targeting men and so on, and so forth. I love the "letting". It's that they're allowing them to do this, like Chevy is allowing someone to get into an accident.

Joel: We were allowing you to promote your erectile dysfunction drug to men only.

Chad: Yeah, exactly. Think of this, over the years rock and roll radio, male dominated demo, but if I do ads on that, employment ads, wait a minute, I'm discriminating. Bullshit!