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Our robotic overlords are closer to running all this shit than you think. Have you heard of OpenAI and ChatGPT? If not, Chad & Cheese are here for an introductory lesson. To say it might change writing job descriptions, resumes, and interviewing forever is an understatement. Yeah, really. Then it's time for a little Who'd Ya' Rather with Allwork and Hunters Club (no, not the Polo knock-off from the '80s) and a little good-cop / bad-cop with LinkedIn and ending with a roundup of the good, the bad, and the ugly on the current state of global corporations. Ho-ho-holy hell it's a great episode of HR's Most Dangerous Podcast. God bless us, everyone.


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INTRO (1s):

Hide your kids! Lock the doors! You're listening to HR’s most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are here to punch the recruiting industry, right where it hurts! Complete with breaking news, brash opinion and loads of snark, buckle up boys and girls, it's time for the Chad and Cheese podcast.


Joel (19s):

Oh, yeah, Brittany Griner is free. Harry and Megan are Unleashed and New York, Yankee Aaron Judge is really, really rich. So how's your week going? Hi, kids. You're listening to the Chad and Cheese podcast. This is your co-host, Joel "why is the carpet all wet, Todd?" Cheeseman. And


Chad (39s):

This is Chad "Is it live or Memorex?" Sowash.


Joel (43s):

And on this week's show. Who'd you rather? You will know LinkedIn by the Trail of Dead. And OpenAI is here to kill us all and I feel fine. Let's do this. How was your week, Chad?


Chad (58s):

It's been a great week, man.


Joel (59s):

How's Christmas time in Portugal? Is it just like the Midwest? Is it just like it is back in Indiana?


Chad (1m 6s):

Yeah, not so much. Yeah, no, no. Snow got a bunch of sunlight. So I actually get vitamin D here, which is nice. Yeah, yeah. I don't have to bundle up to go for walks or anything like that. Yeah.


Joel (1m 17s):

I mean, are there at least some lights up? I don't know, something festive.


Chad (1m 21s):

Oh, we'll go to Tera tonight to see the lights. It's all lit up. The bridges and all that other fun stuff. And then we'll go, you know, we'll go eat on the town. It's amazing. It's much easier, let's say stress free when you don't have kids, cuz you don't have to buy presents. Think about the toys, you go out to the malls, do all that shit that you used to have to do, hang up stockings and lights and any of that stuff. You just enjoy life.


Joel (1m 48s):

I feel like you're taunting me with all these comments. I'm guessing you don't even have a tree up in Portugal.


Chad (1m 55s):

No, no reason. We're doing Christmas with the kids in Paris, so we're bringing the kids into Paris for Christmas and the best lights at the Eiffel Tower. We're gonna be staying fairly close there, so that'll be nice.


Joel (2m 10s):

Yeah, that doesn't suck. That does not suck. Christmas in Paris probably does not suck. Well, I assume you're gonna be enjoying some World Cup this weekend as you have every week. Big match that even I'm paying attention to is England and France.


Chad (2m 25s):

Yes!


Joel (2m 26s):

Who you got in that one?


Chad (2m 27s):

It's gotta be France. France, they're defending champs. Julie, her favorite football player is Kylian Mbappé, guy is on fucking fire. The English I just think that the US took the lion down for some reason. I don't know. They just haven't been playing the same. So yeah, I think France, Brazil looks amazing. Portugal finally woke up this week, six to one over Switzerland. I mean, so there, there's a lot of good, a lot of good matches to be played.


Joel (2m 58s):

And I'm sorry Chad. The correct answer is England, unlike Mbappé or whoever you said, I can pronounce Harry Kane and I can say that in a pub. So the correct answer is England will win against France this weekend. Let's get to shout outs, shall we?


Chad (3m 19s):

That's right, baby. Here we go. First shout out. Here comes shout out to the US Army.


Joel (3m 27s):

Oh Man.


sfx (3m 28s):

We do more before 9:00 AM than most people do all day. Be all that you can be, Hey, first sergeant, good morning. You can do it in the army.


Joel (3m 41s):

Holy eighties. Flashback Batman. You shout out to the army. Okay, this should be good. As an army veteran, I can't wait for this.


Chad (3m 49s):

Yes. That jingle makes me smile so much. I never smiled so much actually serving in the military. But the United States Army is the best recruiting program in the world. And it's harkening back to the old days, olden days with a throwback advertising campaign. Be all that you can be, that jingle played everywhere for years. That's like ingrained in our psyche. Oh yeah. What do you think about when you actually hear that, other than just having to smile because you remember when you were a kid.


Joel (4m 20s):

Well, obviously it takes me back to the eighties in a more simple, simple time before all the things you just talked about, kids and presents and everything else. So, and it also makes me think back to Stripes with Bill Murray when they sing.


Chad (4m 36s):

That's a fact, Jack.


Joel (4m 38s):

Yeah. When they they sing it on the bus, I think to, to bootcamp. But yeah, a lot of eighties flashbacks for me when I hear that, because that ad was prevalent and everywhere and before social media, it was the days where everyone watched the same TV shows.


Chad (4m 55s):

Yep.


Joel (4m 55s):

And that ad ran at every popular TV show back in the eighties.


Chad (4m 59s):

Yes and I mean, it was on every radio station, so that ad that jingle was everywhere. So shout out to the US Army for bringing it back.


Joel (5m 8s):

I'm glad it gives you good memories and not like cold sweats and, you know, screaming in the middle of the night. That's good. That's good. All right. My shout out. Much less patriotic. Kristina Salen


Chad (5m 20s):

Oh,


Joel (5m 20s):

Who the fuck is Kristina? Kristina Salen you might ask. Yeah, well, she's the new CFO at popular ATS Greenhouse. Why should we care? Repeat after me? Chad IPO. Greenhouse has raised over a hundred million dollars and has hit the 10 year mark. So their investors are obviously looking for a little liquidation event likely to happen in the next, oh, I don't know, 12 to 24 months. A little trip down to Wall Street as soon as the IPO market loosens up. Salen was at Etsy when they went public. One of your favorite craft sites that you liked to buy embroidered scarfs from.


Joel (6m 1s):

Obviously they've also just hired a chief legal officer and added a new board member. All of this is Latin for IPO. Shout out to Kristina Salen and the inevitable journey to the public markets for our friends at Greenhouse.


Chad (6m 17s):

Yeah, I see more on the 24 month side of the house than I do the 12 months. It's gonna take a minute. It's gonna take a minute.


Joel (6m 25s):

Well, like most of my predictions, Chad,


sfx (6m 28s):

60% of the time it works every time.


Chad (6m 33s):

Shout out to Chris Manion, who knows how to say he's sorry. He sends alcohol.


Joel (6m 38s):

Yes.


Chad (6m 39s):

I love that. I can't even remember what he did to be sorry for, to be quite frank, but he sent Port and here in Portugal, obviously that's where Port comes from. We've just found out this new port in tonic mixture that is fucking delightful. It's called Portonica. So something we'll bring back with us, Joel, so that we can enjoy.


Joel (7m 2s):

So it's a pre-made drink or it's a cocktail that gets mixed.


Chad (7m 5s):

Yeah. It's a cocktail. It gets mixed.


Joel (7m 7s):

So a little tip for me, if you're a Guinness drinker.


Chad (7m 11s):

Oh.


Joel (7m 11s):

Add a shot of port to your Guinness. Mm. It's quite lovely. It's quite lovely. Yes. And next on the cocktail show with Chad and Cheese. No, no, that's good. Yeah. Port, it's not just for lunch people.


Chad (7m 25s):

I'm doing it later tonight.


Joel (7m 27s):

Well, thanks Chris. And happy birthday belated by the way.


Chad (7m 29s):

Yes.


Joel (7m 29s):

Which I think is the third or fourth shoutout to his birthday. So he should be feeling a lot better. My, my last shoutout goes to billionaire Ken Griffin.


Chad (7m 39s):

Oh.


Joel (7m 39s):

Ken is the founder of Hedge Funds, Citadel and Citadel Securities. But that's not why he's getting a shout out. Griffin paid out of his own pockets of his own pockets for about 10,000 of his staff and their families to converge on Walt Disney World in Florida for three days of celebration at the Magic Kingdom and other theme parks there at Disney. He picked up the tab for airfares from New York, Houston, Paris, Zurich, and other cities, and paid for hotels, park tickets and meals ranging from lamb chops to sushi and paella. Paella?


Chad (8m 15s):

Paella.


Joel (8m 15s):

Paella. Yeah. Sorry, I go to Portuguese from my paellla, to applaud blockbuster returns and big anniversaries. Chad fave, Coldplay even played a private show for the Citadel workers. Don't worry about Ken though. Citadel manages about $60 billion in assets, so I think he's still gonna be able to make that Red Rider BB gun payment for Ralphie this coming Christmas. Hurray Capitalism. Shout out to Mickey Mouse loving Ken Griffin. Yeah.


Chad (8m 47s):

And a bunch of radio flyers I'm sure with the BB gun. Yeah. That motherfucker needed a tax write off. Good for him. Yeah. Good for the rest of his staff. My God. He's like, looking at his returns. He's like, sweetheart, we're gonna have to do something dramatic for some good tax write-offs.


Joel (9m 5s):

I'm feeling a real golf clap on this one from you, Chad.


Chad (9m 11s):

So I've gotta give a shout out to Spotify marketing. They are amazing. They've created a way to, I guess you could just say sexualize podcasting data. They make it sexy. That's what they do. Oh,


Joel (9m 27s):

Yes. They make it sexy.


Chad (9m 28s):

So at the end of the year, you know how they do these wrap-ups for everybody? For us. They actually packaged everything and they showed us we were the top 5% of all podcasts globally. We increased over 60% in followers. Nearly 60% rise in listens and some other cool stats. 167 episodes to date. That's thus far in 2022.


Joel (9m 54s):

That's a lot.


Chad (9m 55s):

That's a lot of fucking episodes. 4,900 minutes of content. Fuck and transcriptions to go with all that. Don't forget about that. Plus we're in nearly 850 listeners top 10 podcasts that they listen to.


Joel (10m 14s):

Yeah.


Chad (10m 14s):

That is just sexy. So we put it out there in the LinkedIns. People are are soaking it up. I love it. Spotify knows how to market their platform.


Joel (10m 23s):

That's right. That's what happens when you're fueled by Taco Bell kids. That's what the secret is. And a lot of booze as well, Chad.


Chad (10m 32s):

Yes.


Joel (10m 33s):

Which brings us to the booze winners for this month. All right. Do you know how this, this works? We got whiskey from Textkernel. Peter Simandl, I think I'm saying that correctly. Was our winner. Simandl You say Simandll. I say Samundle, let's call the whole thing off. He won our whiskey for the month. Our beer winner from Aspen Tech Labs. Tracy Morris from West Virginia University.


Chad (11m 1s):

Oh!


Joel (11m 2s):

A fine, nice, fine educational establishment. And rum with Plum goes to Kim Gray, happy birthday to her as well. We also have t-shirts where pretty much everybody wins.


Chad (11m 13s):

Yes.


Joel (11m 13s):

Frankly. And if you haven't signed up for those, you just gotta head to Chadcheese.com, click the free link, submit your information, and wait for the goodies to start flowing in kids. That's how this works.


Chad (11m 26s):

Yeah, that's what Mannion was having a problem with. He didn't put his birthday in when he actually submitted for free. Again, kids, if you want Birthday Rum from Plum. Yep. You gotta do that. You gotta do that. Kids.


Joel (11m 39s):

Yeah. We can't read minds people. We can podcast and talk shit, but we can't really read your minds.


Chad (11m 46s):

We're not going to the county courthouse to look through your shit to see when your birthday was. Okay. Just not gonna happen.


Joel (11m 52s):

We're not monitoring you through your webcam. We don't know when your birthday is, but we do know the following birthdays.


Chad (12m 1s):

Yes.


Joel (12m 2s):

Because these folks did actually submit their birthday information.


sfx (12m 4s):

Happy Birthday!


Joel (12m 4s):

Now, if you listen to last week's show, you'll know that I forgot last week's birthdays because I was so busy with Chris Mannion whining about how he didn't get called out for a birthday. So.


Chad (12m 18s):

Hey, he paid up.


Joel (12m 19s):

Here's two weeks of birthdays. We got James Hickman, Deidra Pitts, who got her T-shirt. Finally I'd like to report, by the way, she was whining about that.


Chad (12m 31s):

She was not happy.


Joel (12m 33s):

Frank Wittenauer, Matt Grafflin, Mary Kelly, Michael Cox, Nathan, Lana Schumann, Terry Kahler, Stephen Branch, Matt Miller, Kim Stewart, Lars Kuze, Chase Johnson, Patrick Hodgdon, Ryan Cook, John Jorgenson, Matt Stubbsy Stubbs and Torin Ellis. Everybody that is the birthdays.


Chad (12m 56s):

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute. It's a also, you forgot the most important one.


Joel (13m 2s):

I did. I did. Well, let me get a drum roll for this.


Chad (13m 7s):

Okay. Get ready. Happy birthday to a hot and powerful blonde with bad eyesight. Yeah. That's my wife, Julie Sowash.


sfx (13m 16s):

Happy Birthday!


Joel (13m 17s):

Julie Sowash. Yes.


Chad (13m 18s):

And I, I know who should be winning the rum with Plum this month, by the way.


Joel (13m 24s):

And we know who wins rum with Plums every day of the week everybody?


sfx (13m 31s):

Can you feel the tension in the air right now? I know I can. I can feel it all the way down to my plums.


Joel (13m 38s):

Oh, and speaking of way down to your plums, let's do a leaderboard report on fantasy football, shall we?


Chad (13m 44s):

Here we go.


Joel (13m 45s):

This is brought to you by our friends at FactoryFix. Guys, we are in the back nine of the season. There's two weeks left before the playoffs. This is your leaderboard from first to worst at number one in the new spot, Dennis. And number one in our hearts, two Tupper is our top spot, followed by Joe. How is this guy with Kirk Cousins in second place? Wilkie, Chris Port Authority, Manion, Joel claim to playoff position Cheesman. Chad, I have Pat Mahomes and you don't Sowash. Christie from Utah with Love Kellling.


Joel (14m 25s):

Matt doing about as well as Colt's qb Matt, Ryan Hill, Serge racing to the bottom as fast as Austin Matthews crashes the net Boudreaux. Mike, how does someone with Jalen Hertz and Justin Herbert get stuck in such mediocrity Schaffer? Jason, I beat Cheesman by 30 last week and I'm still in 10th place Putnam. James, like cutting crew, I just died in your arms tonight Gilliam, and Dan must have gotten run over by a reindeer Shoemaker. That is.


Chad (14m 60s):

Yes.


Joel (15m 1s):

Your leaderboard for fantasy football everybody.


Chad (15m 2s):

It's been a fun season. It's been a fun season. It's not over yet, kids. It's not over yet.


Joel (15m 7s):

No.


Chad (15m 8s):

You still have an opportunity.


Joel (15m 10s):

We're all about this same record. It's mostly points now that separates anyone.


Chad (15m 13s):

Yes. You and I are separated, but I think four points.


Joel (15m 17s):

Four points. That's it.


Chad (15m 19s):

Yeah.


Joel (15m 23s):

Yeah, yeah. It's gonna be a fun couple of weeks with Fantasy Football.


Chad (15m 28s):

TOPICS!


Joel (15m 29s):

All right. If you're not somewhat aware of Open AI and more specifically chat G P T, then you're apparently too busy buying NFTs and creating AI generated portraits of yourself.


Chad (15m 41s):

Jesus.


Joel (15m 42s):

To do so. Anyway, Wikipedia defines chat. GPT as a prototype. Artificial intelligence chat bot launched just last month. Its garnered attention for its detailed responses and historical knowledge. It's been called everything from a Google killer to dumber than you think by popular media outlets. Chad, you are all over this one. What say you?


Chad (16m 10s):

Well, this is our, is it live or Memorex portion of the podcast. Remember that? I mean, we don't know what's real anymore. That's the thing we have.


sfx (16m 19s):

Shall we play a game?


Chad (16m 22s):

Chad and Cheese podcasts that are coming out that aren't really our voices. We have poems that are being written by ai. It it is fucking amazing. But I gotta say, dude, our AI overlords have taught us the best ways to drive product adoption. It's too easy. It's vanity and it's coolness. Vanity, you just talked about it. Have you seen all the new AI generated picks that are littering the inner webs? People are paying for this service and they're giving the app and the company all their facial data. But hell, we've been doing that for over a decade by posting selfies into social media.


Chad (17m 2s):

But the vanity to look like an astronaut, a Blade runner, or I don't know, a character from Game of Fucking Thrones is so alluring that people are using those pictures as their profile picks. Vanity is training the ai, right? We're so easy as human beings, then we have the cool factor AI that can write screenplays, sonnets, poems, essays. I mean, that's cool enough that over a million new users have logged in and are using this new version in open AI chat GPT bot, whatever they wanna fucking call it.


Chad (17m 42s):

But the coolness in vanity are just to the bedrock factors around adoption to a new product. And it's something that our industry is really bad at. We put stuff out there, but we don't wrap it in vanity, in coolness enough. I think these two plays that I just threw out there are amazing. Then we can start to talk about the big stuff that this can do. But let's talk about the actual product itself. Does it surprise the fuck out of you that everybody who's been bitching about facial recognition and AI taking over shit, they're just glomming onto these things.


Joel (18m 19s):

It does make you look really good in visual form. I'm refusing at this point to do it. We are vain creatures. We love novelty and new shiny things.


Chad (18m 30s):

Yeah.


Joel (18m 30s):

You wrap that into what some have called a horrific dystopian future that's ahead of us with this thing. It doesn't surprise me that human beings, this is what happened. It's like in 2001 where the ape man picks up the bone and sort of, you know, playfully breaks the bones of a dead animal, which then turns into full on killing of another tribe. It went from fun to serious really quick, I want to underscore that this thing is a month old. Yes. I remember when Clubhouse was cool for about a week.


Chad (19m 6s):

You cannot put them in the same category. You just can't.


Joel (19m 9s):

I use Alexa now mostly to turn my lights off. And that was gonna change the world too. So, so I'm gonna reserve some opinion on this until it gets some legs on it. I remember when bored apes were all the rage and people were using that as their profile pictures on social media. Now, I will say clearly, if you are in the content creation, writing stuff, blog posts for SEO, papers for school, script writing, if you're in any kind of the content creation business, this should kind of scare the shit out of you.


Chad (19m 49s):

Yeah.


Joel (19m 49s):

If you create stuff that has no nuance, like news summaries or press reports, like this should scare the shit outta you because this thing can spit those out pretty easily. I'm impressed with, you know, like, hey, write a summary of the Chad and Cheese podcast. I'm not sure which one is the plump and stubby one in the description. But that said, it got pretty close. And, maybe we'll post that poem on the socials, so our friend or on the website so people can see it. But you know, if you start thinking about, okay, let's take the robots that are scaring us to death. Let's take this AI that's scaring us to death, and then let's take the Chad and Cheese podcast in five different languages or whatever. That scares us to death.


Chad (20m 30s):

Yeah.


Joel (20m 30s):

And if you put all those elements together, you got a robot that can make sense and talk in multiple languages, and this is maybe the future and it should maybe scare us, maybe excite us, I don't know. But again, this thing is a month old. It has a branding problem because chat GPT is awful. Yeah. Whoever creates stuff from this, and I think applications are gonna be built as I understand.


Chad (20m 56s):

Yes.


Joel (20m 57s):

Models are gonna be created through this stuff. So, you know, we talk a lot about jobs being lost, you know, to ai. This is gonna be a whole new app marketplace companies created around this stuff. So yeah. This is weird wild stuff. We're gonna have fun talking about it. We're gonna have fun talking about how startups come around. Like, Hey, create job descriptions with ai. Hey, create, you know, if I'm a chat bot, if I'm paradox, this probably concerns me a little bit unless I can plug its technology into me.


Chad (21m 32s):

Yeah.


Joel (21m 32s):

There may be a whole new group of chatbot competitors that use this as their API or application to build bots around employment. So exciting. A little scary. Lot of fun to talk about. Welcome to the world of OpenAI people.


Chad (21m 52s):

Yeah. Well, the practical uses are really gonna revolve around the secret sauce. So as you talked about, like chatbots with Paradox. Paradox already has a huge set headstart because of all the secret sauce that they have developed, right, with all the training behaviors and whatnot. And if you think about it, it's just like everybody uses AI today. The big difference between everybody's AI is how they've trained it. So it's going to be the same kind of thing. How they trained it, where they trained it, what kind of information they trained it on. Yeah. It's gonna be amazing. So yeah, job descriptions. It's funny, people are talking about, as a matter of fact, Lieven said something about job descriptions this week. And I was thinking about that and I'm like, you know, if we're training it off of the data, the historic data that we have, it's just gonna come up with more shit job descriptions, right?


Chad (22m 41s):

So, we're gonna have to actually curate job descriptions that are worth the shit. Yeah. And then start to feed the machine that way because there's so much fucking garbage that's out there. We saw this actually thus far with code debugging. You know, there are, they've been asking.


Joel (22m 60s):

Yeah.


Chad (23m 0s):

The AI to debug code. It's been doing it right in some examples, but wrong in others writing essays. It wrote a Glassdoor review. I mean, it's just so freaking amazing. The big question is though, you know, is it big enough to take, and it's different than, but is it almost like an evolutionary step for Google? Because it becomes more, could become more of a chatbot, a voice chatbot that you could ask to do things, to write things.


Joel (23m 37s):

Yeah.


Chad (23m 37s):

Tasking, those types of things.


Joel (23m 38s):

Sure. Imagine, you know, voice command, Hey, OpenAI or whatever, update my resume for me. And it goes into your social media, your LinkedIn profile, whatever update stuff. It says, Hey, write a job description based on the 10 most effective ads on the internet. And it goes out to whatever sources and says, okay, here's the lingo that works with the most applies and most efficient and effective ads. And then it makes an ad for you based on that data. I mean, yeah, the where this thing is gonna go is gonna be mind blowing, I'm sure. And a lot smarter people than us are gonna be building stuff around that. But yeah, as a start, it's pretty impressive.


Joel (24m 18s):

As a first month, it's pretty impressive.


Chad (24m 21s):

I'm stoked. I can't wait to see where this thing goes and watch while it burns down society.


Joel (24m 28s):

No doubt. No doubt. All right, let's play a little, who'd you rather?


Chad (24m 31s):

Ooh. My favorite.


Joel (24m 31s):

Which I don't know that we've done in a while. So who'd you rather? How does this work? We take two companies in this case, two that have recently gotten funding. And then Chad and I pick who'd we rather, and I'll let everyone use their own imagination for what we'd rather do with each of these companies. So without further ado, who'd you rather. All right, in this corner we have Hunt Club. And by the way, speaking of the eighties, wasn't Hunt Club a Polo knockoff?


Chad (25m 1s):

Yes.


Joel (25m 2s):

In the eighties?


Chad (25m 3s):

Yes.


Joel (25m 3s):

Yeah. Okay. So anyway, Hunt Club, a Chicago-based talent platform that utilizes referrals announced a $40 million series B funding around this week. This brings total funding to $51.8 million. Founded in 2014, the new funding will fuel the company's national expansion and technology platform enhancements. The company says it's a new category of search firm that leverages the power of relationships and referrals to find you the best talent that is Hunt Club. And in the other corner, we have AllWork. New York based AllWork, an end-to-end platform that helps companies more efficiently and compliantly onboard, manage and pay their freelancer and contingent workforces has announced the completion of a $4.9 million series a funding round.


Joel (25m 55s):

This brings total funding to $8.7 million. Founded in 2016 the company will use the funds to expand its software, payment services and team to meet the increasing need by companies in freelancers for quote "a better way to work together" end quote. So Chad, Hunt Club now on sale at Sears and JCPenney or AllWork, who'd you rather?


Chad (26m 20s):

It's gonna be AllWork kids. It's another easy button platform for freelance workers, either W2 or 1099. Their leadership looks solid and everybody wants to outsource their crappy jobs. Compliance, payment, manage all of those giggers in a single platform. So yeah, I'm going to tap that. I'm AllWork all day, all night tapping that AllWork. On the other side of the house. And I gotta say with the Hunt Club, literally, it's mostly just another referral platform wrapped into a social grab packaging.


Chad (26m 59s):

It's not a recruiting agency. It's not a automation matching platform. It's a referral platform. That's what it is. And there's only one company right now that I know, and that's probably because I'm actually advising them, Real Lengths that they are attacking the biggest issue in referrals and that's engagement. They're the only ones I know who's actually doing that. So knowing this, I've gotta push away from the Hunt Club. No JCPenney for me.


Joel (27m 26s):

I'm sorry. It was AllWork, all night, all the time. What the hell was that?


sfx (27m 29s):

That escalated quickly.


Joel (27m 30s):

Geez.


Chad (27m 30s):

I'm tap that.


Joel (27m 31s):

I'm still thinking about that. Oh, I'll tap that. AllWork. All right. Alright to me, this is a question of competitors reading up on AllWork, I couldn't help but think why not just do all this with Upwork or Fivver, you know, publicly traded companies or even Freelancer? Out of France, which we've talked about on our European show. Well, maybe AllWork pulls in all those platforms together into a single dashboard. Well, that would be cool, wouldn't it? No, it doesn't do that at all. So now let's go to Hunt Club. Competitors are names like WorkStream, Ashby, and Circular. Not necessarily into sneeze at, but not exactly Upwork and Fivver.


Joel (28m 14s):

So basically AllWork is in the NFC North and Hunt Club is in the AFC South. Who'd I rather the company with a significantly easier road to the playoffs. I'd rather Hunt Club. And that is another round of, who'd you rather? Let's take a quick break. Hate on LinkedIn for a little bit. That's always fun.


Chad (28m 40s):

Yes.


Joel (28m 40s):

All right. Chad. LinkedIn was good cop and bad cop this week. Do you want to hear the good cop or the bad cop first?


Chad (28m 48s):

Start off on the good note. Let's go with a good cop.


Joel (28m 55s):

All right, good cop. LinkedIn's latest updates include new analytics data on top performing posts and expanded audience insights. Specifically LinkedIn's audience tab now shows the demographic makeup of accounts, follower bases, and how these bases increase or decrease over time. Users can also check out their posts tab to see which three posts had the most interaction or gained the most impressions during set periods. For us that will be references to alcohol, by the way. Most of the time.


Chad (29m 30s):

Always.


Joel (29m 30s):

LinkedIn is usually a follower of social media trends. Remember stories and scheduling posts. They may not hit a lot of threes or throw down a lot of tomahawk dunks, but they can do layups Chad. And this is a good cop version of the good layup. That's the good cop version of LinkedIn. Let's get to Bad Cop now, which is much more entertaining. You have, you chose correctly by ending on the bad cop note. So we've been covering, we've been covering the HighQ lawsuit with LinkedIn for six years now. Yes, we've been doing this that long. That wow. The last time. The last time we talked in just November.


Joel (30m 10s):

HighQ was on its last breath. Well, death is finally upon us. Chad, this is from Sarah White vp legal litigation Competition and enforcement at LinkedIn via a post on, you guessed it LinkedIn. Quote "Today we won a six year legal battle against HighQ on behalf of every member on LinkedIn. Thank God they're fighting for the little guy. HighQ has agreed to a permanent injunction requiring HighQ to stop scraping and to destroy all source code data and algorithms created when HighQ scraped member profile data in violation of LinkedIn's user agreement. This is a final decisive victory against a company that illegally scraped our members' profile data, used fake accounts, and attempted to build a business on abusing LinkedIn's platform and our members' privacy.


Joel (31m 3s):

This establishes an important legal precedent to stop this kind of abuse on the future and reaffirms that LinkedIn's user agreement unambiguously protects members from unauthorized data scraping and fake accounts. We remain committed to protecting the people who use our platform and to fighting to ensure that control of personal data remains where it belongs with our members." end quote translation, I quote, the lyrical genius of House of Pain mugs lifts a funk flow. Someone's talking junk. Yo, I bust him in the eye and then I'll take the punk's ho.


Joel (31m 47s):

HighQ's head is officially on a spike outside of LinkedIn's headquarters. Everyone, you have been warned.


Chad (31m 51s):

Wow. And this is the reason why they rolled out with those new analytics because they weren't sure whether it was going to be information that they were going to expose, could be scraped and could be used by other startups or more innovative companies to actually do some shit with the data. And that's the biggest problem with LinkedIn. They have all of this data, but it's like a horse and buggy. I mean, they need a Ferrari. They need these startups to be able to gather that data to actually fucking do something with it. What LinkedIn should do best out of all the organizations that are out there, because they have more data on us than probably any of the other ones, they should be able to match us with relevant jobs.


Chad (32m 38s):

They're probably the shittiest of any organization out there in the actual, just the basic matching of relevant data. They suck at that stuff. So the thing is, this really kills competition. This does exactly what capitalism does not want to happen. It is killing innovation and all of these smarter, more nimble startups that that LinkedIn could perspectively buy are never going to exist. And that, to me is sad and not how the system's supposed to work.


Joel (33m 8s):

Yeah. You know, to me, it's funny how they spun it as a victory for the people. The, people of LinkedIn have won the, the battle against the evil, evil scrapers. At the end of the day, you're right, LinkedIn is a monopoly in this space. They're stopping innovation. This is a loss for the startup world that are using this data to create really cool products. It's a loss for consumers who can recruit better people through products that are built in this way. I see both points of view, but ultimately LinkedIn is the 800 pound gorilla. And any startups that we're thinking about using their data are not going to do it anymore.


Joel (33m 50s):

And it's gonna stifle innovation and it's gonna hurt the marketplace ultimately, which is why we need blockchain Dammit. To come in.


Chad (33m 56s):

Yes.


Joel (33m 56s):

And kick LinkedIn and the balls and we will be talking about it if and when that does happen.


Chad (34m 4s):

Richard and Beverly Collins get that shit pulled together quick kids. Come on.


Joel (34m 9s):

No, no big task. Nothing major. Nothing major.


Chad (34m 12s):

It's okay.


Joel (34m 12s):

All right. Now to the ba hung bug portion of the podcast.


Chad (34m 19s):

The Joel Cheesman version.