2020 is Surreal, Right?

This week's show is a touchdown (honoring the NFL season, obvi ;) But it's a weird, surreal COVID kind of touchdown, like 2020 has delivered.

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INTRO (12s):

Hide your kids! Lock the doors! You're listening to HR’s most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are here to punch the recruiting industry, right where it hurts! Complete with breaking news, brash opinion and loads of snark, buckle up boys and girls, it's time for the Chad and Cheese podcast.

Joel (20s):

Are you ready for some football? Welcome to the Chad and Cheese podcast, AKA dumb and dumber. I'm your co-host Joel "Jim Brown" Cheeseman.

Chad (-):

and I'm Chad "is fantasy football really going to happen?" Sowash.

Joel (35s):

So we'll see this week Jobvite continues the shopping spree Bullhorn gets a new sugar daddy, or is that mama, is that sexist? I don't know. And Space gets a job board. Hey Chad, your brain called, it's got some space for rent.

Chad (52s):


Jobvite (55s):

"Jobvite has changed our recruiting practice by making us more nimble. We're able to hire faster, but that means that things like where it would take us weeks to get approval from hiring managers or the next level up, that's now minutes." "It's really the best cutting edge tools out there available for talent acquisition today." "I would absolutely recommend a Jobvite to my peers it allows you to get in front talent that other tools won't do." Recruit with purpose, hire with confidence, visit jobvite.com to learn more.

Joel (1m 24s):

Let the good times, roll at Jobvite. We'll get to that in a second.

Chad (1m 31s):

They're definitely gonna roll first off. Is this really happening? Are we really going to get NFL football?

Joel (1m 37s):

I think we are. If the NFL or the NBA and the NHL or any indication, I mean, there are a lot more moving parts in football and they're actually traveling. I'm moderately optimistic. I'm also sorta torn in that there's no Buckeye football this year, but there's college football. So I don't know how to feel about that one.

Chad (2m 1s):

Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, the NFL is not going to be in a bubble like the NFL NHL or the NBA. So I don't think that's a comparison we can make. I think we might have to look at it more like baseball and baseball had issues early on. I mean, shit. They had to cancel games. I mean, they, they were having a COVIDtastic season for awhile. So I mean, this will, we'll see, but I'm pretty, pretty excited to see if they can keep players safe. I know that some of the players have already said that they're not going to play this season, which is, you know, it makes a hell of a lot of sense.

Chad (2m 37s):

Understandable, make a lot of money, the last thing you want to do is put yourself at risk, but yes, NFL football and we had our draft last week, which again, seems so surreal. Cause it was like, I have no fucking clue. These people are gonna play. I mean, that's, that's the hardest part, right? Injury's, one thing.

Joel (2m 55s):

Fantasy is going to be a mess. Cause you're going to have entire teams like not play. You're gonna have like players that are stars, not play for it. It's going to be a GM nightmare, if you're a fantasy football aficionados. So let's, let's go on a limb here assuming they complete the season who are your two super bowl teams and who's your winner?

Chad (3m 16s):

Oh the Colts this year, baby. This is their year.

Joel (3m 19s):

Wow. Alright. Do you have one of the what? 10% or 5% it's open to, that's going to be weird too. Like I know the Browns have 10% capacity.

Chad (3m 30s):

Yeah. I think the Chiefs are open 20%. I think it's, it's it's up to the actual teams themselves. I think this is also another interesting setup is like again, the NBA was really governed by the NBA to an extent, not really the teams. They're like, Hey here, here's what we're going to do. Here's how we're going to do it. Here's the strategy. And this is how, we're going to keep everyone safe. But we didn't see that from really major league baseball. I mean, Goodell's not going to do any of that shit. He's he's much more of like a Trump do whatever the fuck you want, kind of a thing.

Chad (4m 1s):

I'm just going to sit here and cash my fucking check.

Joel (4m 4s):

No doubt. No doubt. So, okay. We've got the Colts from the AFC. Who's your NFC team and who's your

Chad (4m 9s):

Fucking Niners dude. I mean, those guys were playing so well last year, defense wins wins championships. I'd love to see those two play. Again, I think, I think definitely the culture's a long shot, but man, they, they are stacked this year, especially on defense.

Joel (4m 26s):

You think Philip Rivers will stay vertical all season? Or do you think Brissett have to come in at some point.

Chad (4m 32s):

No, no dude, the Colts have one of the best offer pensive lines in the NFL. That's why I believe river said, fuck. Yeah, I'll come play, the last thing I need is to be on my back after what shit, how many years has he been in the league?

Joel (4m 48s):

2005. I think he came in? so 15, 16 years.

Chad (4m 51s):

He wanted to play it safe. He was smart, I'm sure to play these, these last few years out, the last thing he needs to be on his ass.

Joel (5m 1s):

So for me, I, it's cliche, but I mean, I think the Chiefs train rolls on, I think they're not going to have a hangover because they had COVID, right? So whereas most Superbowl winning teams go and party and get crazy and, and Gronk, these guys had to stay home. There were no crazy endorsements or commercials that these guys, you know, got on. So I think they've been strictly business. The paths are obviously going to be weird this year. So I don't know about them.

Joel (5m 31s):

I think the Colts will be good. And I think Baltimore is going to be a juggernaut.

Chad (5m 34s):

Oh Yeah.

Joel (5m 34s):

So we'll see that goes.

Chad (5m 37s):

Hoping to see J K Dobbins, get the ball, get the rock.

Joel (5m 41s):

Yeah, they're going to have to share the ball with one, the quarterback and a few other guys. Yeah. But yeah, Dobbins, I think we'll have a good season. I kinda like the Saints out of the NFC. I think they've been heartbroken and crushed in the last few years.

Chad (5m 55s):


Joel (5m 55s):

And I think that this year, they kind of get over the hump. They stay healthy. Breeze has one last sort of, you know, role in them. And it's a, it's a Saints V. Chiefs Superbowl. And I think the Chiefs are back to back winners. My first pick Michael Thomas. Mine too look at that! Dude, he's the best receiver in football. The dude is glue. The dude is awesome. I do hope that Josh Gordon can stay healthy. I think the, I think the Seahawks will be a real tough out in the NFC.

Chad (6m 25s):

We shall see. We shall see. So shout outs.

Joel (6m 27s):

Shoutouts! Okay, here we go kids.

Chad (6m 30s):

2 weeks in a row kids, Jeremy Roberts broke the internet this week. We know that first day of school picture new take in front of the front door. He posted a first day back to work, pick with a ridiculously COVID outfit, it was hilarious, good job, Jay.

Joel (6m 52s):

Yeah, it reminded me of a, if you've seen Mr. Mom, Michael Keaton, when he's, when he's at home and the flannel and the beard, Jeremy's not too far from that. Also I think I saw some rubber Birkenstocks. I'm not sure if that's a no, no or a fashion no, no,

Chad (7m 11s):

I don't think they were rubber.

Joel (7m 11s):

on that. But yeah. Jeremy, Jeremy, thanks for that dude. Shout out to Craig Newmark. Most of you will know Craig's list. May not know Craig, but he's the Craig behind the list.

Chad (7m 21s):

Throw back to 1995.

Joel (7m 24s):

He apparently flipped over the couch and found $200 million that he's going to invest in saving journalism and of course defeating Donald Trump. So Craig, shout out to you man, using that money wisely. I hope it works long time.

Chad (7m 42s):

Listener James Lord from Xref. What kind of fuckingg name is that? James Lord. That's fucking awesome. And new listener Justin McGregor over at Beamery. Thanks for listening gents. Now get the family, friends, peers, and social peeps listening as well. Go to chadcheese.com hit that subscribe button kids. Hell yeah. Don't miss an episode.

Joel (8m 4s):

Shout out to young adults.

Chad (8m 6s):

Oh Jesus!

Joel (8m 6s):

You're going to love this so much. This is from Pew Research, found out that a majority live with their parents. Still a boy,

Chad (8m 17s):

Fifty-Two percent (52%).

Joel (8m 19s):

Not since the great depression has the world seen a bigger bunch of slackers, deadbeats and blood suckers. Congratulations kids.

Chad (8m 28s):

52% in the great depression, it was 48%. If that tells you anything

Joel (8m 35s):

Way to go, young people.

Chad (8m 36s):

Shout out to Peter Clayton who tweets and I quote, Oh my fucking God, Jason Goldberg, carnival barker, I almost fell out of my chair. That was a reference to last week's podcast.

Joel (8m 51s):

That was you?

Chad (8m 51s):

Yeah, that was the reference to last week's podcast as we were talking about Aaron Stewart and job.com given us the, the old carnival barker from a death match. So if you haven't heard that, check it out last week's podcast.

Joel (9m 9s):

Peter Clayton with the potty mouth, who knew, who knew? And then shout out to Aaron, who's actually gonna come on the show, drop his nuts!

Chad (9m 16s):

He has to!

Joel (9m 16s):

Explain himself, face us and face the music on what the hell happened at Death Match in Austin. Shout out to Bolster. You've heard the, you've heard the Uber of everything. Now we have the Uber for executive teams Bolster raised $6 million this week to a, I don't know, just plug and play executive teams into companies that that's kind of interesting.

Chad (9m 42s):

I guess that sounds fucking stupid. Big shout out to Joey price of the Business Life and Coffee podcast, he loved and who didn't? He loved our Cindy Gallop blow shit up podcast kids. If you don't know who Cindy Gallop is, you need to check out the podcast. This lady is an icon business, marketing, but guess what? Part two is coming next week.

Joel (10m 11s):

Alright. In the wormhole alert a category, a shout out to Uber, Lyft, Door Dash and others who are spending upwards of $180 million to defeat your favorite, California's prop 22, which puts giggers in the employment/employee category. Obviously the gig economy doesn't like that, the powers that be we'll see how that plays out. You didn't want to talk about it as a topic, but I'm giving it a shout out, otherwise we'll spend three hours on the topic.

Chad (10m 45s):

They should give that money to the actual people and just work shit out. I mean, it's not that fucking hard people. God, a big shout out to Adam Gordon for reviving the talent phallus video dude, that video provided much needed the laughs and fun for everyone. Remember the video? I think it was late last year where everybody was talking about that, the talent infinity loop and, and Adam was like, no, the funnel is the thing.

Chad (11m 16s):

And he made this, somebody made this funnel and it looked like a penis. And then he had a job seeker that he had like riding up and down the funnel and it looked like it was, you know? Yeah. So anyway, the, the video, we were sharing it again this week because Adam had some, some other writings and artistry that he wanted to share. And I said, guess what, Adam, it's not as good as this one.

Joel (11m 40s):

Yeah, frankly, I, myself in boycotting, Adam Gordon videos ever since that outfit that he used a week or so ago, that was, that was an embarrassment to humanity, that one. Yeah. All right.

Chad (11m 52s):

The socks!

Joel (11m 52s):

Shout to a White House Diversity Training, apparently our fearless leader, Donald Trump thinks that such training is anti-American and divisive. They're getting rid of it. Diversity training suck it at the White House. Shout out

Chad (12m 7s):

That's that that's an entire podcast by itself. Big shout out to John Gorman, former AD in the Clinton administration. He was just on the pod. It was called getting Wonky with Universal Healthcare. This dude multimillionaire knows his shit. I don't know how we got him on the podcast, but we had a chance to actually talk about healthcare, not just universal healthcare, but how it impacts our workforce. And that was a pretty fucking awesome podcast!

Joel (12m 39s):

Agreed. Shout out to Weddell's list of a hundred influencers of which you and I were both on, which automatically makes it a little suspect, but we certainly appreciate it. Your wife was on it as well. Did you guys do a little, a champagne toast for being on the list?

Chad (12m 55s):

Had a little power couple cuddle that's a that never hurts. It goes, it goes into my last shout out before we get into events. So we did this awesome podcast called Lead with Equity and it was with SYNDIO CEO Maria Colacurcio. Dude. I'm so fucking frustrated, I had a conversation on the socials about paid transparency with two females and they gave me a blue zillion reasons why it wouldn't work.

Chad (13m 31s):

Females, the ones who were getting impacted the most, the ones who are getting fucked the most. And hear me as a white dude, I'm trying to, I'm like, Hey, I think you should make what I make. And they're like, no, here are all the reasons why this won't work. Like really is this, is this the thing?

Joel (13m 48s):

I think what you've just admitted is owning a VR headset. And this is some sort of like VR surrealism program that you're plugged into your brain because I have a hard time believing that women are defending pay inequality, `

Chad (14m 4s):

Two of them, ganged up on me. I don't think this would work. This would kill morale. And it's like, well wait, what kill morale? This would boost. Right? Anyway.

Joel (14m 13s):

Well, okay. So

Chad (14m 15s):

Trying not to mansplain anything but defend and say, I believe you ma'am deserve as much as I make. And they both said you should probably just go away.

Joel (14m 29s):

Well, this is sort of anti-climactic after that. But my last Shout Out goes to Pete Janssen's. Pete has a podcast, a lifelong industry guy worked at Career Builder. I think way back in the day he wants us on their show called SAS Holes. Oh, how do we not go on a show called Sass Holes? And to sweeten the deal, Pete sent us both a little bourbon, which of course we always love so that we can get nice and lubricated for the show.

Joel (15m 1s):

So Pete, thanks, man. We'll talk to you soon.

Chad (15m 4s):

Excellent Events. You got me all excited talking about talking about bourbon. September 22nd at 2:00 PM get this little thing that we're going to be doing called a Friendly Discourse. Got me. My, my man, Jim Stroud and Patrick Neuron in today's incredibly divided world. My friend, we can't have the hard discussions without getting in a fight. That's sad. Yeah. Can't have civil discourse.

Chad (15m 34s):

So Jim and I who've been friends for 15 plus years. We're going to get on the mic. We're going to talk about diversity quotas, which that's what Jim calls it. I don't like that word that much. Patrick's going to be the, the referee. We're going to have our opening statements and we're going to jump right into to debate format and just to have a ball with it. I mean, we can't have some of the hardest conversations in the workplace today because people are afraid to have them.

Chad (16m 5s):

So we're hopefully going to lead and have some fun and do it as friends and disagree because we do disagree. You can go to circaworks.com/webinars just look for friendly discourse and register again. Circaworks.com/webinars.

Joel (16m 21s):

Yeah. Don't make Jim mad because if he kicks me off his black history email list because of you and I don't get updates on the real bootylicious, I'm going to be upset. So don't piss Jim off, alright?

Chad (16m 36s):

Great, great segue... Rep Fest One World, September 23rd, 24th and 25th. We are going to be on the leadership stage. No kidding. I'm going to have a no bullshit Future of Tech discussion with a couple of CEOs. You might just know a good man.

Joel (16m 56s):

Oh, love him.

Chad (16m 56s):

That's right, baby go to recfest.com. Click on the agenda in the upper right nav and register. We're going to be there, a bunch of people are going to be there. Great content, Jamie and crew throw an amazing show. And I got to say for all of the events that are out there, and I know how much you hate digital. I gotta say, these guys have worked their asses off on using and trying all these new platforms that are out there.

Joel (17m 28s):

But will there be a virtual DJ and a mixologist is my question?

Chad (17m 31s):

I got, I hope so.

Joel (17m 36s):

Who knows, who knows? Aman Brar and Angela Hood will be joining us in an intimate CEO conversation.

Chad (17m 39s):


Joel (17m 44s):

Which I'm pretty excited about. By the way that that reminds me, if you want Chad, and in your pocket, vibrating randomly, you need to text CC. That's the letter C and the letter C to 833-799-032. Again, that's the letters. C C (833) 799-0321 for text alerts. We promise no sexting from your favorite podcast. the Chad and Cheese.

Chad (18m 15s):

Got to love it. And if you love free stuff, go to Chadcheese.com/free Chadcheese/free and register for free stuff. Go do love it.

Joel (18m 25s):

Love it. Love it.

Chad (18m 25s):


Joel (18m 28s):

I've got, I've got a teaser real quick.

Chad (18m 28s):

Oh shit.

Joel (18m 28s):

Beer drop. A new giveaway. The ink has not dried yet on the agreement, but it looks like starting October we're going to be given out free beer to people sponsored by soon to be announced. And with that ... TOPICS!

Chad (18m 49s):

Somebody got cash.

Joel (18m 52s):

Or is going to the clearance rack for some of these companies. I don't know, man, Aman Brar is a, is a Savage when shopping for companies. So announced yesterday, literally we're talking to him on any joke that, "Oh, we have an acquisition announcement today" and we laughed it off.

Chad (19m 10s):

He was trolling us, is what he was doing.

Joel (19m 10s):

Which we shouldn't have done. But they've acquired Talentegy, that's a mouthful. It's talent with an EG Y The technology basically, okay, how they explained it as they analyze data on career sites and throughout a company's various talent acquisition technologies, we're talking career websites, ATSs, serums, et cetera. They analyze identity, candidate behaviors, content engagement, candidate exits an accurate applicant, applicant sources to better understand how candidates interact with the talent acquisition technologies the company deploys, basically trying to make sure your UI, your UX is badass and who doesn't love a good candidate experience more than my man Chad Sowash?

Chad (20m 2s):

Yeah, really a technology that tells us what we already know. Your site sucks. Your process sucks. Your experience sucks. Over 50% of candidates drop off and it's related to generally those three things. So if this is a big gift, if Jobvite can demonstrate where your site process and experience is broken and then provide an apply those fixes, that is a big win, especially for those people who give a shit about brand.

Chad (20m 37s):

And many of those companies that are out there today are kind of like backing away from brand because they have so many candidates coming their way and they don't think it matters, but it does, overall. So this is a great way to focus on those three things again, your site, process, and experience and get that shit all pulled together. I hope that Aman and team can really wrap this up and cause they have so many products, to be able to help fix this.

Chad (21m 7s):

I think this is probably the missing factor that they had. It's like, well, we can fix things, but we don't know what to fix now with Talentegy, hopefully they'll know what to fix.

Joel (21m 18s):

Yeah. And data, data, data. Nobody loves that more than our man Aman Brar. And this wil