Ep1 - The Struggle is Real

Hey it's Chad, it's been a minute since we've had a deep dive VOICES series and after speaking with Amy Butchko, SAIC's Director of Talent Solutions I knew a single 20-minute podcast wouldn't be enough and instead of dropping these one podcast at a time we're doing it Netflix style so you can easily discover and binge the entire series - enjoy!


- Internet Recruitment 2000

- From Rolodex to automation

- The rise of Jobs2Web?

- Why don't employers fix their shitty UX?

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BINGE all 5 episodes with Amy

1 - The Struggle is Real

2 - Win Friends & Influence Budget

3 - Last Sourcer Standing

4 - Treat A.I. like a Puppy

5 - Moving Fast & Breaking Shit

Voices INTRO (0s):

The struggle is real voices. We hear them every day. Some voices like mine are smooth and comforting, while on the other hand, the Chad and Cheese podcast is like listening to a Nickelback album, you'd rather stab yourself in the ears with an ice pick. Anyway, y'all now listening to Voices a podcast series from Chad and Cheese that features the most important and influential voices within the recruitment industry. Try not to fuck it up, boys.

Joel (36s):

What's up everybody? This is Joel Cheeseman of the Chad and Cheese podcast joined as always by my cohost, Chad Sowash and this is another episode of Voices. Today we're welcoming, with her resting Butchko face Amy Butchko. Here we go to the show. Amy is director of TA solutions at SAIC. Amy welcome to the show.

Amy (1m 2s):

Thanks Joel, I'm so glad to be here.

Joel (1m 4s):

May God help you.

Amy (1m 5s):

Yeah, you know, I was cautioned that you all might be a little hard on me.

Joel (1m 12s):

Come on, warned, whatever.

Chad (1m 15s):

We're sweethearts.

Joel (1m 16s):

Were so warm and fuzzy, you're on the you're on the Voices. This is the lightest of light of our shows.

Chad (1m 26s):

This is the light of natural light.

Joel (1m 28s):

No bullets, probably no booing. It's very, very well warm and fuzzy. So we know that you're director of TA solutions that SAIC what's, I SAIC stand for, by the way?

Amy (1m 39s):

Science, applications, international corporation, but it's not, that is not part of, all our identity.

Joel (1m 46s):

That's all kinds of a sexy brand. That must be fun to market. Okay. So in addition to being director of taste solutions there, what else, what else should our listeners know about you Amy?

Amy (1m 57s):

Listeners should know that I run our recruitment marketing and sourcing operations, serving an enterprise at SAIC that hires around 6,000 people a year and we are 26,000 employees. So it is a pretty large enterprise. And my group is the engine behind the marketing and the hunt for our internal, what I kind of refer to as our internal staffing agency. So it's a pretty unique job.

Joel (2m 30s):

So, which do you, which do you report to marketing or the recruiting side?

Amy (2m 35s):

That's a great question, Joel.

Joel (2m 36s):

What we do here on Voices. Great questions.

Amy (2m 38s):

Yeah. I report to the vice president of talent acquisition.

Chad (2m 42s):

When it comes to talent acquisition solutions. It sounds like you are deep in tech all the time. Is that, is that the case?

Joel (2m 49s):

Sounds like you get about a hundred calls a day from vendors.

Amy (2m 52s):

Including you, Joel.

Joel (2m 54s):

What? I don't have any idea what you're talking about.

Amy (3m 1s):

Okay. How long did we make it before I got that?

Joel (3m 4s):

That's all right. That's all right. I had plenty of fun with Butchko before the show.

Amy (3m 9s):

That's all right. Yeah. So I do get a lot of calls and I am pretty deeply steeped in technology. And it's one of my favorite things to talk about. It's actually how I found you all. I, you know, I consider you to be one of the better sources, you know, certainly from a podcast perspective, the best source of good information.

Joel (3m 32s):

Go on.

Chad (3m 32s):

Say more, say more.

Amy (3m 35s):

You know, this industry is changing really fast and I've been in it now since, you know, I started as a recruiter around the year 2000 and I grew into a consulting environment where, you know, I was working with a lot of different clients through the .com boom and then of course, that went pop. So, right. So had to kind of find a, you know, much like my short-lived journalism career, you know, that I, you know, I got my degree right, as the newspapers started going out of business. So I kind of took my curiosity and my love of technology and design and ended up as a recruiter.

Amy (4m 22s):

And so I thought what I was going to be doing was recruiting technologists for a living forever. And then what happened as you all know, is the technology started to kind of infect our jobs and we had to learn how to use that technology to stay relevant. And I felt that deeply, like I felt that viscerally as a recruiter. And so

Chad (4m 45s):

Well talk about how that happened, changed what you were doing though, right? Because you're not doing column inches anymore. And I mean, you actually were coming in when everything was really starting to pop with, you know, monster.com had had just launched in January of '99 and there was this big push to get everybody online. So I try to explain, you know, kind of like the tools and learning and how that is so much different today, or is it different today?

Joel (5m 13s):

Tell us about the difficulty of copying and pasting an ad to multiple job boards?

Amy (5m 19s):

Right? So keep in mind so I