Naughty & Nice 2025

Naughty or Nice? HR Tech’s Judgment Day Is Here.

Santa’s watching… and so are Chad, Cheese, and the always-dangerous Maureen "Mo" Clough. In this holiday special, the crew drops their 2025 Naughty & Nice Lists, handing out candy canes to leaders who owned their mistakes—and coal to companies that absolutely face-planted this year.

From brave CEO confessions, Workday’s buying spree, and AARP-backed data proving older workers rule, to midnight Amazon layoff texts, SHRM’s courtroom embarrassment, HR tech espionage, Coldplay-Gate, and executives fleeing to Dubai, nothing and no one is safe.

Add bourbon giveaways, fantasy football trash talk, holiday oversharing, and dad jokes HR would definitely fire you for…

PODCAST TRANSCRIPTION

Joel Cheesman (00:27.298)

Ho ho ho!

Maureen Clough (00:29.156)

you

Joel Cheesman (00:32.728)

Yeah, we've got a list and we're checking it twice. Hey kids, it's the Chad and Cheese Podcast. I'm your co-host, Joel "Naughty by Nature" Cheeseman.

Chad Sowash (00:41.953)

This is Chad "A+++" Sowash.

Maureen Clough (00:45.444)

And I'm Maureen, AKA Mo, 2026, bar is low, Wiley-Clough. I'm back.

Chad Sowash (00:51.099)

She's back.

Joel Cheesman (00:51.478)

And on this episode of HR's Most Dangerous Podcast, it's our nice and naughty list, everybody. Let's do this.

Chad Sowash (01:03.973)

Mo be back

Maureen Clough (01:05.7)

Back and back and better than ever. Oh, wow. That was a beautiful nursery rhyme. You are very gifted. You're a poet. Wow. And it shows. And it shows. That's wise. Very wise.

Chad Sowash (01:06.747)

Not on the island.

Joel Cheesman (01:07.458)

Mo Mo Mo with the ho ho ho. Let's go, go, go. Yeah. I'm on eight cups of coffee this morning. That may or may not be spiked with peppermint schnapps. Anyway, yeah.

Chad Sowash (01:13.687)

That was a lot, yeah.

Chad Sowash (01:20.891)

What kind of painkillers are you on? That's the question. Just for listener, Joel kind of landed on his ass yesterday. Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (01:30.99)

Yeah, so, uh, Oh, you wouldn't know it to look at me, but I do walk every morning almost for a little exercise. And, the real, the real, the real naughty, the real naughty was my neighbor who failed to, uh, shovel his driveway, uh, in the sidewalk around his house. So I took a fairly nasty spill, which at my age could really end up in a bad place. Uh, so I, I,

Maureen Clough (01:33.142)

really? I didn't hear this.

Ha!

Chad Sowash (01:40.037)

You

Maureen Clough (01:50.212)

Not cool.

Oh man! Oh no!

Chad Sowash (01:56.891)

breaking a hip or something.

Joel Cheesman (01:59.254)

I didn't break my fall. was just literally like, whoo, you know, like 180 and landed on my arm. I hurt like a bitch, but I was like, okay, I'm just going to ice it and suck it up. And this morning I was like, it might be broken. So went to, went to the urgent care, got some x-rays. Good news is no breakage. Bad news is it hurts like a bitch. Like I got hit with an aluminum bat. so anyway, my, you know, it's the right, yeah. So.

Maureen Clough (02:02.09)

wow. OK. I bet. Yeah.

Hahaha!

Maureen Clough (02:19.415)

Okay.

That's brutal. That's brutal.

Chad Sowash (02:25.208)

Which arm is it? Is it? want to... Okay. That's okay. We'll be deadening.

Joel Cheesman (02:29.462)

Yeah, the one you don't want to get hurt if you're right-handed. Yeah.

Maureen Clough (02:29.796)

That's a shame.

Chad Sowash (02:33.102)

We'll be deadening the pain later as we do Chet and Cheese dinner and I'm sure we'll be drinking much bourbon, so he'll be fine.

Maureen Clough (02:36.85)

yeah.

Joel Cheesman (02:40.578)

Yeah, it's gonna be cute watching my wife cut up my steak though. That'll be... I'm not sure I can get it. Yeah, it's gonna...

Chad Sowash (02:44.186)

Now, wait a minute, this is normal anyways. I mean, she does this anyway, so.

Maureen Clough (02:44.804)

it's a preview of the years to come.

Maureen Clough (02:53.316)

my goodness. Well, I'm glad you're okay after taking that tumble. Yeah. Is it on your Nest Cam or anything like that? Like, do you actually have video recording? Because you should 100 % check because I, a couple years ago, my husband, there was this huge ice storm in Seattle, like crazy. Like if you could stay away from going outdoors, you absolutely should. And he 100 % could have stayed indoors.

Joel Cheesman (02:56.566)

Yeah, watch out for social media videos.

Chad Sowash (02:59.456)

shit.

Joel Cheesman (03:04.918)

It might be on theirs.

Chad Sowash (03:06.924)

You might want to ask. you should ask.

Maureen Clough (03:18.648)

but was so bored and like out of his mind with anxiety and needed to get moving and wanted to get away frankly from us and the kids that he was like, I'm going outside no matter what. And I was like, Dave, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it. He literally takes one step, one step, not the second step, not the, the one step and boom falls right back. Like, and it's all captured on video and he would let me put it on the internet. And if I had, yep, if I had, it would have gone viral. I promise you, it's funny. So good. Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (03:38.988)

on the steps.

Chad Sowash (03:43.584)

that would have been amazing. That would have been amazing.

Joel Cheesman (03:45.526)

I feel bad for people that slip on the stairs because that is the angle and the concrete. Like, cause he's

Maureen Clough (03:48.342)

I mean, he was okay. That's why I can laugh. Yeah.

Chad Sowash (03:49.53)

dude.

Well, it's not just that, especially if you're going to stare well and you've got tons of stairs to travel down. That's no fun. That's no fun.

Maureen Clough (03:56.29)

That'd be bad. It was just a couple, but it was like slapstick humor, like hysterical. So good. So good. So go find that vid. If that vid exists, we need to see it everywhere. Cause you survived. Yeah. Exactly. And I'd like to go viral on the internet. So can you please hand that over? Right? Right. Yeah, exactly.

Joel Cheesman (04:01.954)

Yeah, they're hilarious and I laugh. I'm sure I would laugh if I saw myself do what I did.

Chad Sowash (04:06.062)

You have to laugh at yourself. You have to. You have to laugh at yourself.

Joel Cheesman (04:10.766)

So I'm going to knock on my neighbor's door and like, you know what? I slipped on your sidewalk yesterday and I hurt my arm. But just in case you got a video, you got a video of that. got, have a podcast. My, my fans might love it.

Chad Sowash (04:19.288)

Yeah, Yeah. Do you have evidence? Do you have evidence that I slipped on your slip? Yeah, you probably won't get it. Just so just so you know.

Maureen Clough (04:26.048)

yeah, yeah, good point, good point. Might be a problem. my God. Yeah, I wonder.

Joel Cheesman (04:29.42)

My lawyer said to come visit you and ask if, actually I don't even know the laws on that. Are you like, I guess it depends on the local laws, anyway. Everyone can sue everybody. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

Chad Sowash (04:35.762)

I had no clue. No clue. No clue. We're, we're in the U S everything can be litigated. So every everybody. Yeah. Well, in, in first off, welcome back Mo. I, I, I thought this would be fun because I wanted to ask you this question. You probably saw the, the grade that Trump gave himself on the economy and a plus plus plus plus. So my question to you is what, what do you think an economy

Maureen Clough (04:42.178)

Yep.

Maureen Clough (04:48.984)

Thank you.

Joel Cheesman (04:49.44)

Yeah, yeah.

Chad Sowash (05:05.56)

that is rated as an F looks like if this is an A+++.

Maureen Clough (05:10.565)

That's 2026. We're gonna see it. Don't worry. It's coming. Yeah. yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Chad Sowash (05:12.94)

You think so? I mean, in 2025, we, I mean, we had a year, a five year high of over 1 million people losing their jobs. Amazon laid off 14,000. The federal government laid off hundreds of thousands. The biggest surprise to me is that we actually, the government is, looking to cut another 35,000 jobs from veteran affairs. I mean, we've got all these corporate jobs that are being cut and then we get, it's just, I fuck, I don't know, dude.

Maureen Clough (05:21.688)

Yep, we're winning hard.

Maureen Clough (05:36.994)

It's lovely.

Maureen Clough (05:42.148)

It's baths, it's blood baths. I 2026 is gonna be horrific, but you know what? We're gonna be told it's an A, even if it's like absolutely heinous train wreck. So yeah, it's the Trump curve. It's the Trump curve. the gas lighting, my God.

Chad Sowash (05:48.218)

It's grading on the Trump curve. Is that what it is?

Joel Cheesman (05:55.808)

That was the Stormy Daniels court case, right?

Maureen Clough (06:01.35)

I don't know, I don't wanna-

Chad Sowash (06:01.402)

the Trump curve. I think those were called Trump bumps. think they were called Trump bumps.

Maureen Clough (06:06.82)

god, that's what they do in the beginning of the Daily Show, that clip. my god. Sorry. So good. So good.

Joel Cheesman (06:07.551)

Sure.

Chad Sowash (06:10.212)

Hahaha!

Joel Cheesman (06:13.294)

So why not do it on Chad and cheese? not do it on Chad and cheese? Holiday plans. This is our last official show of the year. What holiday plans for you guys? I'll go first. Divorced. We get the big kids this year. My kid's in college. He kind of can go wherever he wants, but I think he's going to hang out with us. My eight-year-old, probably last year, he believes in Santa. He's already asking questions. So that's kind of a sad.

Chad Sowash (06:13.983)

All right. Give me, me some free stuff.

Chad Sowash (06:20.765)

yeah.

Chad Sowash (06:28.89)

Sure. Cool.

Chad Sowash (06:33.594)

That's nice.

Maureen Clough (06:37.496)

Hmm.

Joel Cheesman (06:41.494)

moment in a parent's life when the last kid

Maureen Clough (06:41.88)

That is sad.

Chad Sowash (06:44.15)

Eight is pretty old for still believing in Santa these days though, so you gotta give that to yourself. You gotta give that one. Huh?

Maureen Clough (06:45.924)

Yeah. I love that. You, you, you preserve the magic. Yeah. You're, you're a pro. Hey, on the plus side, no more elf on the shelf, which is like the bane of my fucking existence. So that's good. Yeah. Solid. Oh, you're so lucky to outsource that shit.

Joel Cheesman (06:47.628)

He's asking questions. I'm a really good liar, Chad. I have a podcast and I can be very, very convincing.

Joel Cheesman (07:01.73)

Yeah. Yeah. My wife handles that. She loves, she enjoys it. She enjoys it. So yeah. So yeah, it'll, it, it'll be pretty relaxing. My dad turns 86 on the 20th. Shout out to my dad. 86 years on earth. so we'll hang out with him and he'll talk crazy shit. it'll be, it'll be fun. It'll be good. It'll be good. How about you? So wash.

Chad Sowash (07:01.851)

that's a call. Yeah.

Chad Sowash (07:07.843)

I bet you that, yeah.

Maureen Clough (07:14.078)

Ow. Pops, we love ya. Please record it. Bring the mic.

Chad Sowash (07:15.098)

Nice. Nice.

Chad Sowash (07:25.304)

Nice. well, last week, we'll go back to last week cause it was Julie's birthday. We went to Hamilton, seeing it again, loved it. We literally saw it earlier this year in London. and they just have, there's just a different feel to it and every different, area that you go to, which is really cool. So we did that, for Thanksgiving we talked about that we actually got Bob Evans catered.

Maureen Clough (07:39.35)

Awesome.

Chad Sowash (07:52.679)

that was so fucking good. It was so fucking easy. I did it again. So we're going to have, Emma, who's the middle kid, the middle kid come over. We'll watch some Christmas movies, that kind of stuff. Maybe white Christmas and whatnot. but yeah, I just, white Christmas was the one that we always, my mom always played. So it's just, it was kind of tradition and the kids actually love it. They, they, they love the show. So, so we watch it. Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (08:04.44)

What's your favorite? Don't say White Christmas. That can't be your favorite movie.

Joel Cheesman (08:13.137)

huh.

Joel Cheesman (08:18.114)

Really? Well, Home Alone is our house. That's the everyone get in here and watch.

Maureen Clough (08:22.727)

yeah.

Chad Sowash (08:23.652)

Home alone is is a standard the Christmas story obviously it's going on 24 hours a day so that's always going to get some play time. In Cleveland, not Indiana Cleveland.

Joel Cheesman (08:27.95)

Christmas story. Filmed in Cleveland, by the way, Cleveland. The house is still there. It's museum. Very cool, very cool. Christmas vacation, Griswold House. Love that one.

Maureen Clough (08:29.764)

Mm.

Maureen Clough (08:34.433)

what?

Maureen Clough (08:38.338)

I know it's a different holiday, but don't sleep on planes, trains, and automobiles. It's my all-time favorite movie. Yeah. It's a Thanksgiving flick, but you know, it still has the holiday feel good feelings. But yeah, you can throw it in there to the mix.

Chad Sowash (08:43.982)

See?

Joel Cheesman (08:48.31)

Yeah, my my shout out was to John Candy last week and our Christmas card this year is planes, trains, automobiles theme.

Chad Sowash (08:50.02)

Totally dig it.

Maureen Clough (08:53.632)

RIP.

Maureen Clough (08:59.04)

my God. Well, I hope I'm on your list because I want that. I'm like, do you do you need my address? Yes, I did. my gosh. Maybe it's in my mailbox now. I'm so excited. No, it's I'm still we're back. So we're good. Back back. For the holidays. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Fam Bam in town, all that stuff. So, yeah.

Chad Sowash (09:03.354)

Free stuff.

Joel Cheesman (09:03.662)

If you registered for free stuff, if you registered for free stuff, then you should get it. Now you've moved, hopefully it's not the old one and gets rerouted into, you know.

Chad Sowash (09:12.666)

It could be, it could be.

she's back in, she's back in Seattle. So you're, are you back in Seattle for the holidays? Okay, cool. So you've got the whole fam that's going to be there. That's cool.

Maureen Clough (09:27.716)

We're getting to do the rounds. It's like, you know, four Christmases. We have three Christmases Yeah, so it's an all of us live here. So it's like ping-pong Yeah, so it'll be it'll be great. I won't be tired at all Over multiple days. We try to like, you know split it up But you know, it's that's a problem when you're so close to everybody everybody wants a piece. They're like, come on Where are you? aren't you here? It's like, oh So I kind of envy people. Yeah, exactly. Although

Chad Sowash (09:30.212)

So do you go to their house? shit, wow.

Cool. Is that all in one day or is it multiple days? Okay.

Chad Sowash (09:48.366)

Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Getting texts.

Joel Cheesman (09:55.512)

Nobody wants a piece of me ever.

Maureen Clough (09:55.573)

At the same time, you kind of get to see everybody. That's amazing. I love it. Well, you are in the holiday spirit more than Chad and I are. get hats. For those of you who aren't watching, mean, Joel is in like a full on Santa hat. Yeah. Yeah, I'm in black. My traditional black garb.

Chad Sowash (09:59.094)

You

Joel Cheesman (10:01.76)

I'm Grinchy. It's Tommy here.

Chad Sowash (10:03.13)

Don't you dare. yeah.

Joel Cheesman (10:06.818)

Yeah, you guys are dark.

I got the hat. Yeah, I'm full on holiday spirit over here.

Chad Sowash (10:13.602)

He's grinched out. He's grinched out. Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (10:19.512)

And speaking of jolly old men, not so old, but still jolly, let's hear about free stuff.

Chad Sowash (10:21.624)

Yes.

Maureen Clough (10:26.308)

Okay.

Joel Cheesman (10:28.174)

Is this first time you've seen him shirtless?

Maureen Clough (10:33.386)

I just, saw it, but I forgot.

Chad Sowash (10:57.316)

I would.

Maureen Clough (11:36.366)

Dude, I just-

Chad Sowash (11:36.388)

TODAY!

Joel Cheesman (11:38.798)

And I have another destination for people that are listening this week, Chad. We partnered with our friends at VanHack and we are giving away three premium bottles to three lucky winners of chicken cock. We're talking about the Chanticleer. That's lovely. We're talking about the Mizunara, the Japanese cask. Yes. And you remember the red stave, don't you Chad?

Chad Sowash (11:42.799)

Yes.

Chad Sowash (11:46.362)

Mm-hmm.

Chad Sowash (11:49.763)

What?

Chad Sowash (11:58.491)

great vintage.

shit. I love that stuff. I love that stuff. Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (12:06.39)

We had, we had a good time in Louisville with little red stave. So if any listeners out there would like a nice premium bottle of chicken cock under their tree this year, you get, head out to holiday cock.com holiday cock.com. You won't see the three wise men, but you will see the three cocks at holiday cock.com. Give us your information. We'll be drawing three lucky winners. You'll also get from van hack.

Maureen Clough (12:25.892)

Sure.

Joel Cheesman (12:31.886)

I believe three free candidates for any job of your choice. So the gift just keeps on giving this stocking is full baby. It is full head out to holidaycock.com to get your holiday cock.

Chad Sowash (12:36.569)

What?

That's ridiculous.

Maureen Clough (12:46.276)

How was this real life?

Joel Cheesman (12:51.736)

Sure you want up for another year of this Mo? Sure you want another full year of this?

Maureen Clough (12:52.024)

You did not run this by me. This was not run by me.

Chad Sowash (12:53.754)

yeah, what a year.

Yeah

Joel Cheesman (13:00.557)

it gets better.

Maureen Clough (13:00.792)

Amazing.

Chad Sowash (13:02.702)

There we go.

Joel Cheesman (13:04.238)

it's playoff time, Chad. In fantasy football sponsored by our friends at fan factory fix.com. Our final four vowing vying for a championship. Here's your here's your matchups. You got me with the worst record of the four, but the most points by the way. I take on Courtney Nappo, who's number one with only two losses all year.

Maureen Clough (13:04.612)

you

Chad Sowash (13:24.602)

So top four.

Chad Sowash (13:32.378)

Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (13:33.706)

David Stiefel last year's winner looks to repeat taking on McKinsey Mad Dog Maitland. Both of them are 11 and 4 on the season. And then the consolation semi-final, we have William Carrington, the factory fix representative. He is taking on...

Chad Sowash (13:36.312)

Mm-hmm.

Nice.

Chad Sowash (13:45.146)

Mmm.

Chad Sowash (13:50.97)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (13:58.766)

Steven McGrath, I think our first international player to make a push for something. The best loser, I don't know. Then we've got Jada Weiler versus you. Now, Steven is the only one in that group with a winning record, which shows you just how tough this league was. It's a tough league. So the season over, the list of people that don't have to go home but they can't stay here goes to Jason Putnam.

Maureen Clough (13:58.861)

You

Chad Sowash (14:00.036)

Very nice. Who made it? Yep.

Chad Sowash (14:16.346)

It's been tough. It fucking sucks.

Maureen Clough (14:19.086)

You

Joel Cheesman (14:27.778)

Megan Radigan, Ginger Dodds, and of course, going 0 and 15 is our friend, Jeremy Roberts. But yeah, it's been a hell of a season. We'll get to a champion very soon, and they'll be donning that lovely championship chain, Chad, that everyone loves. David Stiefel could be the first two-time winner of the champion chain. So we'll see. We'll see what goes on with

Chad Sowash (14:37.978)

First time ever. First time ever.

Maureen Clough (14:41.751)

you

Chad Sowash (14:52.346)

Chad Sowash (14:56.996)

There we go.

Maureen Clough (14:58.148)

Maybe I got to try this next year. I might be a sleeper, a sleeper hit. knows? Dark horse, dark horse. Nope, not at all, but I could start, right? Like beginner's luck maybe? Yeah, there we go, exactly. Let's do it.

Chad Sowash (15:01.562)

Why not?

Joel Cheesman (15:01.72)

Yeah

Chad Sowash (15:04.026)

Why not? Why not? You never know.

Joel Cheesman (15:05.422)

Do you play fantasy? Nope. All right. All right. Are we ready to get into our naughty or nice? All right, here's how this is gonna work everybody. I think we're doing our nice ones first. Chad and I get two, gets one, and then we go to what everyone wants is our naughty lists. Chad two, me two, and Mo has one. And at the end of course,

Chad Sowash (15:11.086)

That's what AI is for. Okay, come on.

Chad Sowash (15:15.896)

naughty and nice baby.

Chad Sowash (15:22.521)

Mm-hmm.

Chad Sowash (15:29.145)

Also naughty.

Maureen Clough (15:29.324)

You

Joel Cheesman (15:35.426)

The dad joke. I might add a few more just for your stocking this season, but let's get to the naughty or nice list. I'm going to go first everybody. My first nice goes to Beth Benaki. She's the CEO of busy baby. as you guys know, tariffs were a major story in 2025 and small businesses are often overlooked, in light of iPhones and Nikes.

Maureen Clough (15:36.836)

Can I get away from it? Thank God.

Chad Sowash (15:50.059)

yeah!

Love her.

Maureen Clough (15:57.71)

a little bit.

Maureen Clough (16:02.459)

you

Joel Cheesman (16:04.184)

companies that can afford some of this shit anyway, but thanks to Beth, small business had a voice. She was on every network. She was even on our little show. so if you want to check the archives, feel free, feel free to do that. her business went from being it, bringing in $4.7 million in 2023 to launching a go fund me so that she could stay afloat in 2025 and stay alive. She had to make some pretty tough decisions this year.

Chad Sowash (16:04.442)

Mm hmm. Yeah.

Chad Sowash (16:12.996)

That's right.

Joel Cheesman (16:33.449)

she let her brother go who was part of the business. but the grit of small business, she's an army veteran. As we found out in our interview, Chad, she has gone global. She's done distribution deals with South Korea, the UK, parts of Europe, Australia. she is a representative of, think all small businesses. These are people that grind it out every day. By the way, they, I think the employee upwards of 80, 80 %

Maureen Clough (16:36.6)

That's hard, yeah.

Chad Sowash (16:49.793)

Australia.

Joel Cheesman (17:03.008)

or plus 80 % of jobs in this country are small businesses. So I thought she was more than worthy of my nice list. She recently told an interviewer, an interviewer quote, things are always going to happen that you don't expect. You can't quit. Indeed, Beth, indeed. And you made my nice list.

Chad Sowash (17:13.146)

Hell yeah.

Maureen Clough (17:22.54)

that.

Chad Sowash (17:31.707)

That was a great interview. Great interview. And yeah, here we go. All right. So, um, remember back in 20, it wasn't a 20, it was a 2009. This is how long ago it was kids back in 2009 when Patrick Doyle, the president of Domino's pizza released an ad about how customers thought their pizza tasted like cardboard. That announcement with the scathing reviews of Domino's pizza accompanied

Joel Cheesman (17:32.022)

Alright Chad, what you got? Keep the nice going.

Chad Sowash (18:00.582)

by an apology and a personal commitment to change, really turn dominoes back. It turned them around. And we also had kind of like a dominoes moment in our space. Here's Rebecca Carr, CEO of Smart Recruiters on stage in February of 2025. So earlier this year. Go ahead and roll it.

Chad Sowash (18:59.706)

So that's, that's what I've referred to on several episodes as Rebecca in smart recruiters, Domino's moments. Uh, they, they knew the pizza didn't taste good. Uh, yeah, it could fill you up, but that's not what people are there for, right? They want a better system. Um, so in that moment, that specific moment, I think Rebecca earned the trust of her customers by saying what everybody already knew. And about six months later, go figure. They got acquired by SAP little company.

called SAP. So my first nice goes to a CEO in organization who wasn't afraid to say the quiet part out loud. Does it work? Yeah. Is it a great experience? my God, no. Will we course correct and make the platform better? You're goddamn right we will. So big nice list. Shout out to our friends at Smart Recruiters and for Rebecca.

Maureen Clough (19:29.636)

Hmm.

Chad Sowash (19:54.543)

being the leader in that situation and saying, look, we've got to tell people what they already know. And we've got to course correct. So big, big nice list.

Maureen Clough (20:03.47)

Dude, why aren't more people like that? That is so refreshing. Sorry to overlap with the nice boy thing, but like, I just love it. I just absolutely love seeing a leader do that. So sick.

Chad Sowash (20:10.116)

Now you're good, you're good, you're good.

Joel Cheesman (20:11.15)

It's a remix. It's all good.

Chad Sowash (20:15.706)

It's a read.

Joel Cheesman (20:15.914)

We're out of the gate with two strong women. I love it. I love it. I can't wait to hear what Mo's got. What's your, yeah.

Maureen Clough (20:19.66)

Yeah, that's rad. Mine's a couple entities, but whatever. There are women who work there too, so we're gonna go with it. But MyNice goes to AARP and LinkedIn because they put out a survey that has, or a bit of research actually, that has completely confirmed things that I've been saying for years. So I'm like, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for all of this data. But they put out a report that's all about the value of older workers.

Chad Sowash (20:21.464)

And we've got another one that's on with us. Yeah.

Okay, cool.

Maureen Clough (20:46.634)

and they came together and researched all throughout what they had done on LinkedIn, and they found that older workers actually, 50 plus, stay 15 % longer. So their tenure is a lot longer. So anytime you see a hiring manager who's like, dude, like, I don't know, maybe we want some more runway from this candidate or we want someone earlier in their career, that's actually wrong. Like these people are gonna stay longer. They're more loyal for whatever reason. so that's facts, facts now, so we know. And then also the...

really close the skills, the tech skills gap. It's up like as 25 % increase in disruptive tech skills, which is really, really cool. And so the retention and their skills, their upskilling is all there. And so all these stereotypes that we see about older workers out there, they're just like patently false. And so AARP and LinkedIn are bringing that to light in a really cool report.

And I shared an article about it on LinkedIn and I'm just, I'm super pumped because again, like it's, it's very much crystallizing everything that we have all sort of like inherently known about this and the value of a multi-generational workforce and workers 50 plus specifically, but now it's actually, it's in hard data. So, definitely I can send out the report to you guys too, so you can share it about, but yeah, I'm like hat tip to them. It's really, really rad. Very nice.

Chad Sowash (21:46.554)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (21:59.439)

Very cool, and by the way, Mo, you didn't know that we did this. We're onsite with AARP right now. Let's see what's going on there.

Maureen Clough (22:07.715)

God.

Joel Cheesman (22:10.798)

boy, boy, they're just not much in the Christmas spirit, but that is a great.

Chad Sowash (22:14.244)

Well, it and we're proof. We're proof positive. We've been doing this for nine years. We're 50. We're 50 plus. We've been doing this for nine years. And there are so many of those crazy millennials and Gen Z's have already they've already stopped. They've quit. They're not doing podcasts anymore.

Maureen Clough (22:14.62)

my God, you kill me. You kill me. I was with them. Yeah. Exactly. Right? Look. Top of your game. Top of your game.

Maureen Clough (22:30.306)

I know, we're the worst, we're the worst. No, absolutely the magic is in getting the older people and the younger people together and seeing what they put in place. It's like, that's the move, that's the move.

Joel Cheesman (22:41.952)

And for you companies out there, if you just ice up your driveway or parking lot, your older folks will never leave because broken hips are real thing and not good, not good for anybody.

Chad Sowash (22:46.426)

You

Maureen Clough (22:50.655)

my god.

Chad Sowash (22:51.226)

You

It'll be working 24-7.

Joel Cheesman (22:55.988)

All right. Nice one, Mo. Nice one.

Maureen Clough (22:56.388)

this is the guy who just fell on his ass yesterday, by the way. Actually fell on your arm. The ass would have been way better. Yeah, seriously. Next time do that. Yeah. Pro tip, fall on your butt. Yeah.

Chad Sowash (22:58.987)

Yeah.

Joel Cheesman (23:00.952)

fell in my arm. Ass ass would have been preferred. Yeah. My big ass would have would have totally, totally cushion the blow on that one. Yeah. No kidding. All right. Keeping up with the nice here, gang. My second nice goes to, Aaron Matos, which is a nice piggyback on, on Chad's, which I didn't know that he was doing. and I promise this will be the last nice stuff I say about Aaron, cause I know he hates it. He hates it. He hates it. So this is my last one. Look,

Maureen Clough (23:25.399)

you

Chad Sowash (23:30.178)

He loves it.

Joel Cheesman (23:30.51)

I'm I'm at, so I met Aaron in 2003 or four. Uh, when I worked at career board, he was, he was at jobbing looking to acquire a bunch of job sites, uh, in the country. So the deal didn't happen, but I, we, we became sort of quick friends and kept in touch. I launched a blog. He kept growing, jobbing and really had high ambitions, uh, for the job board. They bought it. They bought naming rights to an arena and, uh, in Phoenix.

Chad Sowash (23:34.842)

Mm-hmm.

Joel Cheesman (23:58.809)

They were, if you went to the Sherms back in six, seven, they were the life of the party along with all the other parties, but it was a really good time. 2008 came, they acquired, he acquired my company. So I know Aaron really well, but he went through a really rough patch. The market fell. mean, the floor fell out in 2008 indeed became the thing. Like their whole growth strategy was punched in the gut and any, any lesser business.

might've closed up, said it's been fun, but we're out of here. Instead, Aaron decided to launch a little company called Paradox in 2016. And I remember when he launched it, I think they had like a little booth and you know, just sort of look, they were just sort of like fake it till you make it. That's what it felt like. And before you know it, this whole chat bot thing blows up. He sells jobbing. Paradox became what it was. I think he really grew as a person.

Chad Sowash (24:47.345)

Like most startups,

Joel Cheesman (24:58.04)

He put a lot of the power in the hands of other people. stepped down as CEO and he was rewarded for all of this as Paradox was acquired just like smart recruiters by Workday, SAP and smart recruiters fashion. But the dude is a picture of grit. It's not easy to be, to lightning rarely strikes twice.

You know, ask Adam Gordon or Richard Collins. Like it's not as easy, the second time around. so big, nice list. Last time I say anything nice about Aaron Matos, I thought he was going to like maybe right off in the sunset, maybe say goodbye. Apparently not. Apparently he's, he's got an office again. He's doing some exploration with investment. So we haven't heard the last of Aaron Matos, but I promise this will be the last nice stuff.

Maureen Clough (25:24.1)

Sure.

Joel Cheesman (25:49.304)

that I say about the guy, but he's well deserving. It's been a great year and a great run for him.

Well done.

Maureen Clough (25:57.398)

You

Chad Sowash (25:58.139)

He gets another acquisition. You're going to say nice stuff. it, my, mine, mine is somewhat in the same, in the same, uh, arena, uh, over the years we've torn into work day because they've always seemed too big to really give a shit. Uh, well in 2025, they seem to start giving a shit with the acquisition of flow wise, uh, for agent creation paradox, uh, for a vision.

Joel Cheesman (26:01.794)

I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to. Maybe.

Chad Sowash (26:25.53)

efficient conversational workflows, Sana, a unified experience platform and Pipe Dream, an integration machine. And I know, know, I know the point of acquisition is the easy part. But it's all about the execution that matters, right? Totally get that. It's not just about bringing these tech platforms together. It's even harder onboarding incredibly smart people and keeping them happy. So I totally get that. But my second nice goes to workday.

even though it's not complete, they, can't yet claim victory over the S the space. But the thing that I love is they're, they are not staying complacent. So that's why they receive a place on the nice list. Noice. And, and, and I have a, I have a little kind of rumor mill thing that's happening now. I, I, also

Maureen Clough (27:14.884)

So ridiculous.

Chad Sowash (27:20.89)

I have a little bonus kind of like on the nice list as we're talking about companies trying to meet the moment. Smart recruiters and Workday making big changes in 2025. A listener sent me a link to a trademark submission from Textio for the word lavalier, which happened back in October, so just a few months ago. And I just noticed that lavalier.ai is open for beta. So it looks like Textio is at least trying.

Joel Cheesman (27:23.118)

Chad Sowash (27:50.411)

and yesterday there are rumors saying that Textio CEO and CTO are both out. So the question is, will these radical changes save Textio or will it be too late? No matter what change is nice, especially when you see a Textio that we called toast earlier this year.

Maureen Clough (27:57.603)

Wow.

Maureen Clough (28:09.348)

I do love texting you.

Joel Cheesman (28:10.508)

Nice add-on by the Chad.

Chad Sowash (28:14.392)

My sources are working, man. My sources are working.

Maureen Clough (28:16.084)

I have a good big question.

Joel Cheesman (28:17.282)

Well, look, can't highlight Aaron's second act and pivoting and doing something totally different and not say that they have a chance at Textio or Lavalier or whatever they're called now to make it. So yeah, let's watch that carefully.

Maureen Clough (28:35.94)

around that lavalier, when I hear lavalier, think of those little mics. Is there another interpretation? Is there another definition? Okay, just making sure. I was like, is my brain playing tricks on me or is that what it means?

Chad Sowash (28:43.362)

No, no, no, no. It's, it's, it looks like it's, it looks like it's going to be a interview sentiment analysis among other things. So they're going to take the text, the technology and probably try to repurpose it in different areas down the funnel. So we'll see again, as Joel had said, hate to actually say, look, this company is fucking toast unless they do something, which is exactly what we said. And they're trying something new. So good for them.

Maureen Clough (28:52.376)

Hmm, interesting.

Yeah.

Maureen Clough (28:59.342)

Super interesting.

Maureen Clough (29:06.116)

Yeah.

Maureen Clough (29:10.414)

Good for them. God.

Chad Sowash (29:12.334)

You

Joel Cheesman (29:16.11)

All right, let's take a break for some eggnog. And when we come back, we'll get into the naughty naughty list, which is what let's be honest, everyone is wanting us to talk.

Chad Sowash (29:18.489)

Yes!

Maureen Clough (29:27.18)

my god.

Joel Cheesman (29:35.286)

Alright gang, let's get to our naughty lists. Mo, you're up first.

Maureen Clough (29:35.62)

Bye.

Maureen Clough (29:40.677)

Guys, mean, what can I say? There are plentiful options this year in the year of our Lord 2025 to select from the naughty list. mean, seriously, I could have picked any number of organizations or human beings for sure. But when it comes down to it, when we're talking about the fact that we have had what? 1.17, reportedly 1.17 million people laid off over the course of the year.

Chad Sowash (29:45.86)

Yes.

Joel Cheesman (29:49.14)

It was a naughty year for sure.

Chad Sowash (29:57.402)

Mm-hmm.

Chad Sowash (30:07.972)

Mm-hmm.

Maureen Clough (30:08.066)

I wanted to do something that was layoff related since it's very, you know, relatable for sure. And we'll see more. And like we said, 2026, probably gonna get that F rating. But the one that struck me this year that I wanted to say is top of my naughty list is the layoff that was done specifically by Amazon. So we mentioned it earlier, 14,000 layoffs. The word went out that this was gonna happen and literally people got.

Chad Sowash (30:29.838)

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Maureen Clough (30:35.46)

text messages at 3 a.m. like you up, text messages not the kind you want, right? It's like, hey, don't come into the office until you've checked this link and it told them that they were no longer associated with the company. it's like there are right ways to handle a layoff and there are expressly wrong ways. And when you're talking about an organization like Amazon, it's like they have to know a better option than to do that. There were people who had worked there for 10, 20 years who received a fucking

text message, letting them know that they no longer had a job. like, listen, getting laid off and actually delivering the news about layoffs sucks. mean, but there are some ways that you can do it that are far better than others. And I remember putting a post out there ages ago where I was like, hey, how did you find out about your layoff? And the responses were crazy. They were like, well, I got an email that said, come to this meeting. It's not a layoff. Like literally it wrote, not a layoff in the title. And then it was a layoff. like,

Chad Sowash (31:30.618)

That's fucked up.

Maureen Clough (31:31.288)

I mean, crazy stuff. then, you know, operation, like get back to good and like, you know, operation winning. Like it was named as all these different things. And it's just, it's to me, it's like kind is clear. mean, clear is kind rather. There we go. Clear is kind. And when it's like, you get a text message that that's very clear, but not at all kind as opposed to say, for example, a out of the blue 15 minute meeting from your boss that has HR or a person you've never seen in your life.

Chad Sowash (31:39.578)

Mm-hmm.

Maureen Clough (31:59.563)

on the two line as well. It's like, you know exactly what that is, right? And that for me is the way to do it. Be clear, be kind. So Amazon, a yeah, a big, fail, huge fail. It's like, this is just unacceptable behavior. are Amazon and you know, I'm a Seattle girlie, so it sucks to have to say that I hate Starbucks, I hate Amazon. You know, it's true, I do. And it just, I thought it was utter.

Joel Cheesman (32:22.239)

Maureen Clough (32:27.78)

And it really upset me as a human being. Yeah, very naughty. Bullshit.

Chad Sowash (32:31.118)

Naughty, naughty, naughty.

Joel Cheesman (32:32.184)

The good news is they get a free subscription to Prime Video, I think, as part of the layoff.

Maureen Clough (32:36.292)

Well, thank God. That'll help. Right? Brutal. Brutal.

Chad Sowash (32:36.958)

yeah.

Yeah. Now that they don't have any money to spend. that's awesome. That's awesome. Next day delivery. Nothing.

Joel Cheesman (32:48.76)

So is this kind of a double-naughty, the layoffs and how they did it? Okay.

Maureen Clough (32:52.332)

Yeah, I mean, I'll go with that. I mean, this is ridiculous. And you know, you guys saw the video that I sent for the Jive Turkey. mean, I just am so upset with the con, the large long con we're being, we're being gaslighted, essentially. Like it's, it's not all due to AI. That's all they're saying just to beef up their market position and encourage investment and have good press instead of bad. And it's just, we see what's happening guys. We see through you. We know that what you're doing here. And I just,

2025 has sucked because we've been asked to just not believe what we have plainly seen with our own eyeballs. And I'm just done with it. And I think a growing number of Americans are too. And I hope we can continue to speak up and speak out about it. I that's the only way we get to change. I mean, this is just so ridiculous. Laugh so you don't cry. Laugh so you don't cry.

Joel Cheesman (33:35.387)

Amazon.

Chad Sowash (33:39.45)

Yeah.

It is.

Joel Cheesman (33:45.294)

All right, Chad, give us a naughty.

Chad Sowash (33:45.53)

Ugh.

people are not going to be, they're not going to be surprised in this one. So my, my first naughty goes to shurm. That's right. The society of human resource management after they asked a court to exclude evidence that they are experts in the HR space. Yes. Shurm the exact. Exact same organization that gives certifications to human resource professionals. shurm the very same organization that pitches business memberships with statements like.

Maureen Clough (33:49.141)

my God again.

Maureen Clough (33:55.838)

that's deserved.

Joel Cheesman (33:56.257)

I'm shocked.

Maureen Clough (34:04.462)

god. That's insane!

Maureen Clough (34:12.142)

to.

Chad Sowash (34:17.578)

Are you ready to elevate your HR strategy and drive measurable results? That very shurm asked not to be seen as an expert. So the court denied shurms request for that. And better yet, a Colorado jury issued an 11.5 million verdict against the world's largest HR organization over allegations that had racially discriminated and retaliated against a former employee in 2022.

Maureen Clough (34:22.756)

you

Maureen Clough (34:37.944)

doomed.

Chad Sowash (34:47.544)

Yes, Sherm, the organization who provides harassment prevention training for supervisors lost an 11.5 million discrimination case. Yes, Sherm, who has a best practice practices for non-discrimination and compliance workshop scheduled for next month. Yes, next month they lost 11.5 million dollars in a discrimination and retaliation case. Maybe they should take their own course. So my first, my first naughty.

Maureen Clough (35:14.67)

Dude. I can't.

Chad Sowash (35:17.306)

Of 2025 goes to Johnny C. Taylor, the CEO making over $3.5 million a year that turned an industry leader, an industry standard full of experts into a laughing stock led by a well-dressed clown. think, um, business, business insider. They summed it well with the title entitled complicit or complacent and sloppy. And we'll just add naughty.

Maureen Clough (35:37.56)

Okay, sucks.

Chad Sowash (35:45.004)

end that for the for good measure.

Maureen Clough (35:45.358)

Jeez.

Joel Cheesman (35:47.886)

That's an easy, the silver lining is a lot fewer commercials with Johnny Taylor airing on my television. But yeah, Cherm is a big naughty this year.

Chad Sowash (35:52.192)

Yes. Yeah.

Maureen Clough (35:57.669)

Dude, it's unreal. The headlines on that.

Joel Cheesman (36:01.814)

I'm going to continue bringing the naughty and this this one. This one might be not here. The nearest Chad. My my first naughty goes to Alex Boozies AKA we we know and love him as Bozo.

Maureen Clough (36:08.461)

Uh-oh, something new and different for you.

Chad Sowash (36:17.178)

Bozo.

Maureen Clough (36:17.956)

Bozo. He so deserves that.

Joel Cheesman (36:21.102)

That's right. He's the CEO and co-founder of Unicorn Deal. We highlighted Keith O'Brien on our Jive Turkey show. He's the Irishman who fell for the banana in the tailpipe and took the money and tried to run, but didn't get very far. But Bozo is the naughty, the naughty one. When Filonies claimed Bozo personally directed the espionage strategy,

Maureen Clough (36:28.984)

You

Chad Sowash (36:30.106)

Mm-hmm.

Maureen Clough (36:32.982)

It's so amazing.

Wonder how he's doing right now.

Joel Cheesman (36:48.174)

into rippling. reportedly fled to Dubai. Where else are you going to go but Dubai to flee the getting served papers. His father also joined him. His father's CFO. So was sort of a, it was sort of a love story, kind of a warm hearted family adventure to Dubai. The dad is no longer the CFO. I, you know, he's, he's smart enough to get the hell out. But Bozo has nowhere else to go at this point.

Maureen Clough (37:00.349)

cute. Yeah. Sweet.

Chad Sowash (37:03.075)

the family.

Maureen Clough (37:11.396)

He got canned.

Chad Sowash (37:12.154)

Surprise. Surprise.

Joel Cheesman (37:17.814)

alleged crime does still pay apparently, deal is still, they hit a million dollars in revenue in September and they're valued at over $17 billion. Either way, this court case is not over. the fun is just beginning as Keith O'Brien is singing like a canary. From what I hear a lot of facts are going to come out on this.

Maureen Clough (37:33.06)

Yeah

Chad Sowash (37:39.224)

Yeah.

Maureen Clough (37:41.112)

love it.

Joel Cheesman (37:43.062)

It's going to be a lot of fun in 2026, but his label is Naughty is firmly set on Alex Bozo Boazie's co-founder and CEO of Unicorn Deal.

Maureen Clough (37:50.441)

Mm-hmm.

Chad Sowash (37:51.726)

easily.

Maureen Clough (37:55.44)

freaking moron

Unreal. So dumb. But also, like, thank you for the levity this year, because that story was just everything. I mean, spy drama and HR tech, like, are you serious? This is hysterical. It really was. It was so, wow.

Chad Sowash (38:09.791)

It was like it was like Mr. Bean was the spy.

Joel Cheesman (38:11.864)

Somebody fund, yeah, somebody fund a Netflix series on this story. It's so great, it's so great. So good, so good.

Maureen Clough (38:17.774)

Seriously, dude, it makes me feel like it can do anything though. It's like, those are the guys in charge. I'm like, dude, what's holding me back? These are the guys in charge. Let's go. Well, the point is I would not do that. I'm better. So, but yeah. For the gold.

Chad Sowash (38:19.704)

and a heartbeat.

Joel Cheesman (38:28.258)

You're too good of a person, to do espionage and flee to Dubai. Yeah. Well, we keep the naughty coming, gang, after we take a quick break.

Chad Sowash (38:35.226)

There you go.

Joel Cheesman (38:44.75)

All right, Chad, you're up for your naughty number two.

Chad Sowash (38:48.538)

All right, so go ahead and we already had a segment on this. I'm gonna play this segment and then I'll just go ahead and comment after. But I think the segment really just kind of pulled it together very nicely. So go ahead and play that segment, Joe.

Joel Cheesman (39:02.862)

Let's do it.

Chad Sowash (39:54.565)

So much like Sherm, Ronstadt should be held to a higher standard. They are the leader in the staffing industry, the people industry. And if you're an enterprise company out there who might be looking to engage a staffing company in RPO, Ronstadt cannot be on your RFP list. In my honest opinion, hiring companies cannot afford to associate themselves with Ronstadt.

You cannot engage with a people company like Ronstadt who left loyal employees and vendors out in the cold to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, right? While making billions, making billions and in the same breath, taking corporate welfare from government. So we must expect more from our leaders. And until Ronstadt has proven they know how to treat employees, humans, only then should

Maureen Clough (40:34.766)

So gross.

Chad Sowash (40:46.916)

Do they deserve our attention and our business? And until then, Ron's thought should be left out in the cold. They get my second naughty.

Joel Cheesman (40:59.13)

We look so young in that video. This show is really putting on the years. This show is not good for me. This show is not good for me. All right, let's get to.

Maureen Clough (41:01.706)

Ha ha ha!

Maureen Clough (41:11.332)

2025.

Chad Sowash (41:13.028)

Just stay away from icy patches, okay? That's all I gotta say. You gotta stay healthy. I need you healthy.

Joel Cheesman (41:15.334)

my god.

Maureen Clough (41:15.574)

Yeah, seriously, Seriously. Bones get more brittle over the years.

Joel Cheesman (41:19.31)

Yeah, the cock and the cement I gotta keep away from. All right, my last naughty is a layup of naughties from this year. It goes to Andy Byron, the now former CEO of Astronomer and the inspiration behind this summer's Coldplay Gate. Who could forget Coldplay Gate? Where he and the company's head of HR of all people, Kristen Cabot.

Maureen Clough (41:26.884)

Ha!

Maureen Clough (41:31.665)

that guy.

Maureen Clough (41:40.1)

hashtag never forget.

Joel Cheesman (41:46.979)

Both married with kids, by the way, were caught being affectionate on the jumbotron at a Coldplay concert. What a flex that is, right? I got caught at a Coldplay concert. So Byron resigned. I put that in quotes because they kicked his ass out. I'm sure after the incident while Cabot also resigned after a short stay at the company, probably hoping to get paid off. this month, interestingly, Cabot broke her silence in an interview calling it a quote, bad decision.

Maureen Clough (41:51.255)

You

Maureen Clough (41:55.63)

So amazing. So embarrassing.

Maureen Clough (42:02.34)

Mm-hmm.

Maureen Clough (42:14.564)

Ooh.

Joel Cheesman (42:17.774)

fueled by alcohol. No shit. She denies an ongoing relationship with Byron who he was recently seen with his wife, wedding rings included in Maine. Beautiful Maine. Last month, he also sold his New York home for $5.8 million. So he still has a little bit of Chipotle money to get him through the dark times.

Maureen Clough (42:19.482)

god. Most are.

Chad Sowash (42:19.758)

You

Chad Sowash (42:34.211)

Okay. Okay.

Maureen Clough (42:34.606)

Beautiful mane.

Joel Cheesman (42:46.506)

Otherwise, he's been silent. You will not find him on LinkedIn in case you're wanting to connect with him. Kristen also is not on LinkedIn in case you're wondering. Andy, congratulations. It was a lot more red than yellow this year, but you get my last Naughty of the year. All of you Naughties have an open invite to come on the podcast, by the way.

Maureen Clough (42:51.927)

You

Chad Sowash (42:56.058)

Imagine that.

Maureen Clough (43:01.453)

Mm, that's good.

Chad Sowash (43:04.9)

Well, what was nice though?

yeah. come on on, come on. But what was nice out of that is that you've been trying to get your friend Tiffany, who's a sex therapist on the show for a while. And we haven't been able to like find a topic that made sense. And this topic made sense. And to be quite frank, we had tons of people that gave us feedback on that show. Loved, loved the show. So that was, that was pretty awesome. And it wouldn't happened without Andy and Coldplay.

Maureen Clough (43:09.614)

Hell yeah, hell yeah. Let's do it.

Maureen Clough (43:23.438)

There you are.

Joel Cheesman (43:36.718)

It was all women for me, Chad. Women loved the sex show. Did you have any men say I loved that sex therapist on the show? It was all women for me.

Maureen Clough (43:37.432)

What a guy. What a guy.

Maureen Clough (43:42.691)

Really?

Chad Sowash (43:43.107)

Really? Okay.

Chad Sowash (43:47.931)

I didn't make a list, but I did have responses on LinkedIn. So was very business and also liked the sex therapist. So that was cool.

Maureen Clough (43:56.066)

Wow.

Something for everybody. I guess.

Joel Cheesman (44:00.622)

All right, so that is our naughty and nice lists for 2025. Can't wait for next year's list. I don't know if it's gonna have a hard time topping this one. However, the dad jokes just get better and better every week. Guys, what did Santa say after nutting on Mrs. Claw's tits?

Maureen Clough (44:08.9)

It's gonna be great.

Chad Sowash (44:14.542)

Keep coming.

Maureen Clough (44:21.444)

Oh dear god, not approved. I don't know. Oh my god.

Joel Cheesman (44:26.382)

Chestnut. Why would Santa make a horrible pimp?

Maureen Clough (44:36.567)

boy, boy, boy.

Joel Cheesman (44:37.986)

He only has three hoes.

Chad Sowash (44:39.61)

He gets one guy that tells him that he wants the stuff back just to be able to unload the flood of this stuff. Okay.

Joel Cheesman (44:43.702)

And what?

And what do you call it when an elf goes down on Santa? Little Hummer Boy.

Maureen Clough (44:52.435)

no, no, no.

Joel Cheesman (44:59.854)

Happy holidays, everybody. Here's to 2026. don't have an HR department at the Chad and Cheese podcast. We out!

Maureen Clough (45:02.094)

You're walking HR by the lesion. my God.

Chad Sowash (45:08.538)

You

We out.

Maureen Clough (45:12.079)

We out.