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Intro:

Hide your kids. Lock the doors. You're listening to HR's most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman are here to punch the recruiting industry right where it hurts. Complete with breaking news, brash opinion and loads of snark. Buckle up, boys and girls. It's time for The Chad and Cheese Podcast.

Joel:

The Ivy League has canceled sports for the fall. So what the hell are we supposed to do without Dartmouth football? Oh, the humanity. Welcome to The Chad and Cheese Podcast. I'm your cohost, Joel "Jay Fiedler" Cheesman.

Chad:

And I'm Chad "still in fucking quarantine" Sowash.

Joel:

And on this week's show, COVID be damned, money keeps coming into the recruitment space. This isn't Jimmy Hoffa's labor union anymore. And CareerBuilder settles a sexual harassment case.

Chad:

Ouch.

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Chad:

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Joel:

Oh yeah. summertonotwatchsports.com.

Chad:

We were just talking about this Stanford killing 11 of their sports. Especially, when they have like $30 billion and an endowment, and make it kind of push a few coins toward the sporting side of the house. Yeah, no. Screw that.

Joel:

Yeah. My wife and I had a debate as to whether or not sports would be played this fall, particularly football. And I said, "Until the SEC says there's no football, someone's going play to football." Because if you talk about a conference that lives and dies by the money generated by football, the SEC is at the top of the list.

Chad:

Yeah. Risk mitigation for that though, that is going to suck.

Joel:

Yeah.

Chad:

It just is. I talked to a friend the other day. His kid dives for school. And they're going back at least two weeks prior, so that they can go through their quarantine, and whatnot, to ensure that everybody is COVID-free per se or, at least, they're through it before they actually start to meet one another and get in their own little sporting bubble.

Joel:

Yeah. Fortunately, pool water is the nicest disinfectant. So, at least, the diving team has that going for it.

Chad:

Let's hope.

Joel:

Shout-outs.

Chad:

Shout-outs. Okay. So we've got a few popping out here. One is [Jodi Branstetter, connected on LinkedIn and says she loves the podcast. And so does Brianna Campana.

Joel:

Love is good. Love is good. I'm going to give a shout-out to Bed Bath & Beyond, the popular retailer. And that there is a connection to our space, which I'll remind you of. The company has hit hard times, quarterly report of 50% decrease in sales. They're closing much of stores, bankruptcy, whatever. So the connection is, for those that don't remember, Nexxt with two Xs used to be beyond.com until they sold that domain to Bed Bath & Beyond, who promptly did jack shit with it. It was supposed to build some sort of a subscription thing which may have saved its business. But anyway, Bed Bath & Beyond, shout-out. Maybe time to sell that beyond.com domain back to Nexxt. I don't know.

Chad:

Yeah. Well, shout-out to Chris Kneeland from the Cult Collective on this, because he always slams the couponing. And he just posted on LinkedIn that COVID obviously did have something to do with it but so did their fucking couponing. Stop couponing, people. You're undervaluing your own shit.

Joel:

Yeah. My favorite Chris Kneeland quote from his presentation was "What is Old Navy going to do, pay you to come to the store eventually?", because they can't have that many more discounts, for God's sakes. Shout-out to Twitter, as well. I don't know if you heard about this week, but Twitter had a job posting. And who knew you could learn so much about a company's strategy, then, through its job postings? Posted that they needed someone to manage or build their subscription business. Of course, the news outlets went nuts thinking that Twitter was going to go subscription model, which I still think they should, and they probably will. The job description was edited, and that part was taken out. But the cat is out of the bag. So to speak, it looks like Twitter is going to go subscription in some form or fashion.

Chad:

Yeah. That's something that Scott Galloway talks about all of the time. And he's-

SFX:

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Chad:

... a shareholder, so he might have some insights. Big shout-out to Max Armbruster. You might remember him. He was actually on our very first Death Match. CEO of Talkpush. He is starting his own podcast called The Recruitment Hackers Podcast. Just one word of warning, Max. It's much harder than it looks and/or sounds.

Joel:

Yeah. Is he doing it in French or English?

Chad:

He can probably do it in a variety [crosstalk 00:06:24].

Joel:

He probably could Japanese. I don't know. He's very worldly, that Max guy is. Shout-out to FedEx, pressuring the Washington Redskins.

Chad:

That's right.

Joel:

An obvious, I don't know, lay-up in terms of brands that should be put to bed forever. FedEx owns the rights to the stadium where the Redskins play football. Mr. Gordon is going to hate this episode, because there's so many American sporting references. But anyway, shout-out to FedEx for pressuring the Redskins to change their name, which I think is definitely going to happen in the next six months.

Chad:

Well, and you might not know, but FedEx CEO, Fred Smith, is also a minority owner in the Redskins. So there's some additional pressure that's there. It's not just from the company who's paying naming for naming rights. It's also the minority owners. And that being said, Netflix. We've heard a lot about Netflix giving back to the Black Lives Matter side of the house. And also now the community, they are investing 100 million into banks supporting black communities. So there you go. Good job there, guys. I got to say, from our standpoint as a couple of white guys, I was really hesitant to entitle last week's podcast Black Hiring Matters. But my man Torin Ellis told us to speak up and speak the truth as allies. We can be white dudes and speak our truth, but that's exactly what we did. So big shout-out to Torin Ellis and many of the others out there like Regina Allen-Mosley, who shared the podcast and gave a lot of love to us. So we really appreciate that.

Joel:

Lovely. Absolutely. Shout-out to Harley-Davidson who had a round of layoffs recently. Someone shared this on Twitter. Apparently, they actually branded the layoff strategy and sort of rethinking their organization. They called it the rewiring. So when letters went out to folks about the layoffs, apparently, it was branded the rewiring. I'm not sure layoffs are something you want to brand. Your thoughts?

Chad:

It hurts to think about a cult brand who thinks so hard about their brand. And I mean, that's what's happening.

Joel:

Yep.

Chad:

Right? They're thinking, "How do we do this in the right way?". And it's almost like they're thinking too hard about doing something humane. I don't know. I'd have to dig into this a little bit more. But I mean, Harley-Davidson is a cult brand. There's no question. They have cult followers, period. When you get into that groove and that mindset, as a brand, sometimes you can think too hard. I don't know if this is the situation, but I think just from surface that I think they're thinking too hard.

Joel:

Life was good until the rewiring. I also thought about the movie, The Doors, where Jim Morrison and the band are told that they can't sing, "Come on, baby. Light my fire." And Jim says, "How about 'Baby, bite my wire'?". I thought that would be a proper response for employees who were laid off during the rewiring.

Chad:

The rewiring. So we did some rewiring. We actually had some time with Gerry Crispin, Steven Rothberg and Deb Andrychuk. They joined us for a series of podcasts that were called Protect Your Brand. There are four discussions. We've dropped two thus far. The newest one called Adapting to Remote. You can check them out. The newest one will drop this Sunday. But again, just trying to bring more voices into the discussion, not just around COVID, but obviously around business and how we react and also respond to what's going on around us.

Joel:

Absolutely. Good stuff. Bret Feig, I want to give a shout-out to. Hopefully, I'm pronouncing that last name correctly. He loves the show, a recruiter out of New York who is looking for work. So if any of our tri-city listeners need some recruiting help, give Bret Feig, F-E-I-G, a look. He's on LinkedIn, obviously.

Chad:

My last shout-out, which I missed last week, sorry, Chester, is my little buddy voiceover expert, Chester Fellows, out of the UK. He actually made me a friendship bracelet that says "Chad Cheese" on it and sent it all the way across the sea. And big thanks to his dad, Dan Fellows, who, if you remember, was a part of one of our latest Death Match series with Get-Optimal.

Joel:

Yeah. Chester, I didn't get a bracelet, man. Thanks a lot. That hurts man. That hurts a lot, but I still love you, Dan. I-

Chad:

You didn't send him a personal video telling him that it was going to be all right with school, that they were starting school. Chester and I, we got it like that.

Joel:

That's not creepy at all. My last shout-out goes to Glenn Martin, a fan of the show, and also a podcast to himself with The #SocialRecruiting Podcast.

Chad:

Well, hello.

Joel:

And by the way, Glenn is up for the Best Beard in the Industry Award, which I don't think is an official title, but he would certainly be up for it if there was one.

Chad:

Yes. Big shout-out to Glenn. And as we roll into the event that we just finished up, The Recruitment Events Company, through one hell of a content delivery, fast with a TA Global Gathering digital event. We did Featurerama. We did four segments with Aida from XOR, Andy from Nexxt, Zack with Jobvite, and Shon over at HiringSolved. We're going to start dropping those podcasts. The videos are already out there. They're probably out there with the recruitment, or on YouTube or something like that. But we're going to start dropping the podcasts here in the next couple of weeks. So just a little teaser. Look for Featurerama, which was a blast.

Joel:

Should we talk about the winner or just-

Chad:

Sure.

Joel:

... tease it out? So HiringSolved won our first ever Featurerama.

Chad:

Shon Burton.

Joel:

It went to to them. They have the badass belt of tech coming their way. The design is getting finished up as we speak. We got him a medium. I think that's about the right size knowing Shon. So yeah, that's coming, buddy. Put it on the wall with pride. The badass belt of tech is coming your way.

Chad:

I hope you got it from BabyGap.

Joel:

Geez. Nice manners, babe. Nice manners.

Chad:

I love Shon. Topics.

Joel:

CareerBuilder.

Chad:

Wow.

Joel:

Sexual harassment case. This is two years in the making. Our buddy-

Chad:

Lori McInerney.

Joel:

Lori McCleney. Forget her name.

Chad:

McInerney.

Joel:

Little background on this. She's been at the company since 2002. She was sales. She went to, obviously, events with the company. I won't name names on the side of who sort of crossed the line in terms of the harassment, but she filed suit against the company. It was settled this week. June 30th, it was filed. Obviously, there are no details in terms of what she got out of the settlement. According to the complaint lawsuit quote, "For more than a decade, Lori McInerney had a successful career and was a highly valued upper management employee at CareerBuilder. During that time and as experienced by most other women employed by CareerBuilder, McInerney endured a corporate culture which turned a blind eye towards the sexual harassment, discrimination and bullying of women employees." Ouch.

Chad:

Yeah. And if you are a brand like CareerBuilder and there are these bro culture things that are happening, how are you ever going to get females to come work for you in leadership? Not to mention there was also other females in the organization that, or female in the organization, that was in leadership, who was a big bully as well. It just, overall, did not seem like an amazing culture. And I can't imagine that any of that has changed, but you never know.

Joel:

Certainly, the optics sucked. And part of the lawsuit, as well, was Lori got harassed apparently from a female superior, as well. So it doesn't just land on the men's side. Women can do it,too. So hopefully, this is settled. I think most of the people there, as part of this lawsuit, are gone from CareerBuilder. And hopefully, they are building a better culture with the few employees that they have left building up from the depths of layoffs and whatnot.

Chad:

Yeah. The smoke and mirrors that they put out the last press release, I think, was about new tech and mobile apply or something like that.

Joel:

Yeah. It said "Welcome to 2017," or something with all their new editions.

Chad:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, I think we've been talking about these guys just slowly dying over the years. They're milking everything at this point. They've already made money on the acquisitions that have happened, MZ and then some of the other ones. I'm just incredibly surprised they haven't done one or two things, either spent money on Broadbean to do better and actually become programmatic, which will never happen because they're not spending money, or just sell it off. I mean, there's just so much that's there. It's interesting. And also Textkernel.

Joel:

I'm sure they're glad to get the case out of the papers and move on to their stuff. Unfortunately, they're not alone. Indeed, as we talked about fairly recently, also a harassment case currently pending on their docket. As soon as that gets news out, we'll let you know. I was still trying to get interview set up with Taylor Gilbert, I think is her name, still an employee. But trying to get an interview with her lawyer, which should be a good to have on the show and figure out more of what's going on with Indeed and their current culture.

Chad:

One culture that seems to be flourishing is Slack's.

SFX:

Hell yeah.

Joel:

Yeah. Yeah.

Chad:

It just acquired Rimeto. Rimeto? Rimeto? Rimeto. I think it's Rimeto.

Joel:

They're changing the names. Don't worry about it.

Chad:

Yeah. God. They better, because it sucks. Rimeto seems like they're trying to be a version of LinkedIn. An advanced profile and directory that will integrate into the Slack Directory itself. And if you've ever used Slack, one of the things that really gets confusing, for yours and then you have access to another one. It's like how do I manage all of this stuff? It's not the easiest. Not to mention people. How do I connect with these people? And how do I connect... Maybe I don't even know the people, but I want to connect into a department. I don't know who to talk to in marketing. Where do I go? Okay. This is where you go. So it's a directory of sorts, which I think, there's no question, Slack needs. But it's almost like it's a LinkedIn-ish type of directory, which is incredibly interesting.

Joel:

Yeah. Yeah. For a long time, we've been talking about Slack moving beyond messaging. And when they went public, they talked about Microsoft as a threat, which seemed a little bit odd because they were a messaging company. We talked about them killing email. Well, it looks like they're going to go out and try to kill or take some of the market share of Microsoft and LinkedIn. So I thought this was really huge news in terms of them getting into the profile business directory space. It looks like from the news that they're going to keep it as a separate brand, although they are rebranding it. Maybe, it'll be Slack Directory or something along those lines.

Joel:

But ultimately, this data of people is going to start seeping into Slack's main messaging program. You'll be able to search people from other companies, obviously, be able to contact them i.e. recruit them at some point. So to me, this is a major step in Slack's evolution of going directly at LinkedIn's dominance in this space. And time will tell if they can make a dent. But I kind of like their chances as an alternative to LinkedIn, which by the way, most people in our space hate.

Chad:

Yeah. Well, and think about it. Every company that currently uses Slack, they're going to want to have this interaction. They're going to want to have these directories, which automatically builds all of this out. And it also has the profiles of those individuals, much like LinkedIn with regard to background, skillsets, education, all of that stuff. So think of like a Slack reverse engineering LinkedIn. And I think that's really where they're going.

Joel:

Yeah. Yeah. I think they have to keep it as separate, at least, for the time being, because people won't want to make their internal directory public through Slack. But if it's a separate brand, people will be much more likely to join it, and it'll be much more used as a public database, as opposed to your internal messaging on Slack. But at some point, the two are going to morph into each other.

Chad:

Yeah. It'll be interesting to see how they navigate that hurdle of, "Hey, I don't want to put all my people out there in the open to be sniped at or poached. Right? So yeah, that could be one hell of a tool to be able to do something like that. So it'll be interesting. Watch this space.

Joel:

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Chad:

It's nice to know I am not the only person who hates Jeff Bezos.

Joel:

Derick Lancaster is not having it, my friend.

Chad:

He's not having it. A Detroit area Amazon driver, on Monday, I think actually earlier this week, said he abandoned a van full of packages at a gas station. And in a tweet that went viral, he let Amazon know where it was at.

Joel:

Yep.

Chad:

I mean, he quit his job on Twitter, filled up the