Joel Cheesman (00:49.246) and AI gets naughty. Everyone currently is enamored with AI. Chad (30:38.892) Associate AI with your big ass brand and name. Open AI that have raised so much money and they don't go public. All the other AI companies want some of that juice. Right?

AI tools everywhere. Real results nowhere? Cheese Podcast , Joel and Chad welcome Alexis Meschi, co-founder of Ora Marketing, to cut through the AI So we'll get into sort of buying AI and cutting through that clutter, but I'm curious. Uh, not all AI is created equal. Um, and, and you have some really good tips on. So it's like all of this, you know, AI slop that's out there.

Joel: And on this week's show, AI, DEI, LinkedIn better watch its back. input is needed for AI created art to be copyrighted. and how do I do stuff with AI that no other creative can do? If you won't lose your job to AI, you'll lose your job to someone that understands AI. And yes, you can call it automation over AI, but they don't...

not just staffing—oh no—they're matchmaking you with your dream job and  your future ex-husband using AI The gang throws elbows at startups chasing AI clout like it’s 2016 crypto. I think the new AI stuff is pretty interesting. Think about Paradox or any other kind of conversational AI. That's language that we're very familiar with in the conversational AI space.

And AI Accents. Yes, no, that's it. AI Accents. You're gonna love this show, kids. Let's do this. Emi Beredugo (30:54.064) AI. AI is not doing the heavy lifting right now. It's not happening. And what you have now is this do I really wanna post a job when I know that AI resumes and AI bots are Like the AI isn't where it needs to be, but it will get there.

However, new products come with risks and we've heard a lot about AI being biased. What are you doing in regards to AI and keeping yourself safe? Ana White (36:51.499) Yeah, yeah, I'm a huge fan of AI. , we have an AI committee that we look at the ground rules and all of that. And so they've done a lot of this research around AI and bias and things like that.

It's the era of AI and if this company can't make it happen in AI when it's an AI first company, like guessed it, AI. And in this corner, We have Take Two AI. Chad (25:27.297) Well, I'm going to start off with Take Two AI. Um, my thing with sales is the trend of AI AIing.

off workers and  hoarding power like Gollum with a LinkedIn account 🔹 Why optimizing your resume for AI We've got AI that are pushing, again, more white collar people out. Which probably wasn't AI in the first place. We just had a long discussion about you using AI, right? Chad (23:37.655) even before AI. Katherine Watt (23:41.021) Now.

introduction of AI. And most of them are, you know, AI powered or claiming to be AI powered as well. that are AI powered. And we are in the midst at the moment of obviously developing AI, like I mentioned, but the AI that we So an AI transcript is obviously much better.

Paylocity’s Grayscale Grab: Paylocity acquires Grayscale, moving from simple SMS nudges to "AI agents Will AI finally flatten the org chart, or is money the only "honest signal" left in a world of spin? Record another season of the AI sessions, kids. That's right. The AI sessions are going to be, they're still going strong. Is it going to be this AI that you train?

PODCAST TRANSCRIPTION (blame AI for errors) Chad Sowash (00:24.097) Yeah. So, on today's show, a staffing expert predicts doomsday McDonald's backs out of AI. Cause I look, I think how you add on these AI tools and integrate is huge. But like a small McDonald's AI, AI business. Now, this is... There's no way that McDonald's, the burger place, is gonna be doing AI.

discussion on the role of AI in the workplace. I don't know why they call it an AI co -pilot, but that's what I call it. And, you know, I like the use of AI helping employees as co -pilots. Quote, today Lattice is making AI history. And are you now putting real people against AI people and the AI people performance is so much better

It's AI in HR, literally spells hair. Seven years ago, started up my own AI automation agency. So mathematically forces AI to start prioritizing past visibility. So like the top 1 % goes into the AI prompt to serve up content in front of you. Joel Cheesman (14:32.798) How much of a black box is LinkedIn's AI?

Covey are the makers of custom AI agents. The Chad (28:59.981) AI is propping up the market. Yeah, it is. People were getting money just because they had AI and that case it was a.com in this case it's AI. mean That's a human problem, not an AI problem. Chad, are you a buyer sell on Darwin AI?

.🧠 OutSolve’s Jeremy Mancheski joins the show to: Decode the alphabet soup of I-9s, DEI, and AI Laugh Obviously AI is changing everything, remote hybrid work. What's coming down the pike? Go back even a year and AI was the hugest rage. I think we saw AI recruiting early on that was deemed in some instances even discriminatory. So yes, AI. Hybrid workspaces.

“Responsible AI”? Cool story, bro. Still might be illegal. Trickle-down AI economics, anyone? JT ODonnell (18:54.999) We've run out of the AI excuse. Like they are using AI to collect all of this data on us. Another one, quote, AI in TA tech is becoming foundational.

We found a company and a team, Clevy, which they've been in the AI conversational, AI, HR space for the And then third thing is, it plays into this trend of AI. Sean Behr: Lots of podcast air being spent on AI and generative AI and large language models, but there And part of Fountain AI was conversational AI, ChatBot, whatever you wanna call it. Joel Cheeseman: AI ChadCheese. Sean Behr: That's right.

explore why VCs are now hunting for distressed assets and how companies are desperately pivoting toward AI And it changes so significantly how you think about AI. Joel Cheesman (03:24.246) Mm-hmm. JT ODonnell (03:34.487) I I thought I was using AI. use a lot of AI tools, day to day. So AI is the new.com. So to seek out AI, come out as a, I don't know, something totally different. Joel Cheesman (55:51.329) I mean, it goes back to the Zuckerberg, you know, AI CEO, right?

They dive into the impact of AI on businesses, the revolution in talent management, and the evolution on AI for many years before this generative AI revolution. powerful with AI support. So I'm gonna become an AI trainer personally. I'm gonna train the AI. As any kind of individual contributing, we're all gonna be working with AI.

From “quality vs. qualified” debates, pay-per-click madness, and ATS finger-pointing, to AI, agentic Now with AI and AI applications, that does mean that there has to be more about matching. And I think this is what is needed in like, know, AI is coming, everything is changing. an AI agents enabling networking at a different scale, maybe widening that out. Martin Lenz (28:41.742) currently win the AI race because they are much more familiar using the AI tools

AI is also, you know, every single booth at every trade show has AI on it. They used AI to scrape and look at all the resumes. So, so I mean, Gen AI isn't worth the damn letters for God's sakes. I have an AI background too, but some interesting things are happening. Like we use AI correctly, it allows us to be better human beings.

Pizza, AI, and the Noid walk into a podcast… and yes, it gets weird. In this episode of The AI Sessions , Domino’s HR tech boss Matt King dishes on: Why speed isn’t just who actually helped shape Domino’s tech stack—and occasionally roast bad AI “match scores.” If you like your AI talk topped with sarcasm and pepperoni, this one’s for you. This has been the Sessions AI Frontline Series. We out. Chad Sowash: We out!

Chad: Joel, that's AI putting the human back in HR. AI is here, so employer branding is dead, right? And he didn't mention people are being replaced by AI. AI by the way. The false statement when AI started becoming big, that some companies were like, we got AI, we don't

She's a critic voice about AI and jobs. It's everyone's AI, everyone's wearing sunglasses. AI boat. The wages are eroding, the salaries because of mostly AI. Lieven: People will actually use AI agencies to optimize their presence within AI.

languages, AI generated show notes, magic clips with editing controls. They have an AI note taker, they have AI reports, funnels optimization dashboards, whatever AI answers They have AI job posts. Humans are really creating what's going on with AI. Let's get all the freelancers to train our AI models. Chad (49:56.717) Mm-hmm.

This led to a 3.5 billion productivity gain with the AI managing 11.5 million queries just in 2024. AI probably hallucinated it. Emi B (51:16.602) You Chad (51:19.987) Joel took a gummy. AI will help you to do that. AI will automate tasks. That is not what AI can do at the moment. And we've been asking ourselves, where are all these new jobs that AI is going to be creating?

Chad: So AI wasn't mentioned at all. believe that AI... However, layoffs are in the news as well as AI. So, hey, AI to the rescue. [laughter] Joel: Or the AI will know what you like.

We’re talking: Killing the ATS as we know it AI agents running hiring in the flow of work Why most AI But what the thing about AI is, everybody tries.... You need to tell candidates that AI is being used in the process. Chad Sowash: Does it really have to be AI? I mean, because we're... Umm, the use of AI by candidates in the workflow be...

Honoré—who proves you can train and lead half a million troops and  drop some epic truth bombs on HR, AI What are your thoughts on automation and where the world is going with more automated tools and AI? So we go now to AI, which is more of a knowledge based thing. So as a part of the market, I don't understand, but back to AI, I'm not afraid of it. fuckers know that she's subject to breast cancer or, and that's the kinda stuff that scare me when AI

But AI, I mean, everyone is talking about AI and, I was at... I mean, it's just like AI this... Jim Holzer: It's AI this, AI that, you know, it's almost like, if you remember, I'm gonna date myself RPA AI, whatever it is, I don't care. We need to have a position on AI.

Open AI, leapfrog, Microsoft and Google in the AI space. It's like, yeah, know, US, we have to dominate the AI, AI world. then look, now look, out of nowhere, What better name for an AI chat bot boyfriend? Emi B (47:48.349) You Emi B (48:03.975) I say AI love is for everybody. So why not an AI boyfriend? Why not? You can train the AI boyfriend to be exactly what you want.

Joel: The third horseman of the apocalypse is AI. Chad: Jeff, is AI going to take some of those jobs? So AI to me is sort of the flip side of automation. can do it and I think particularly when you see solutions AI salespeople, AI customer service people Because the AI was fucking up left and right.

it was actually more of an open source AI scenario that was HR focused. I think most of these predictions are probably gonna be tied up in AI. Olivia, so Paradox is Olivia, has a generative AI capability. They're gonna use AI to source workers on different places. New AI sessions season.

AI is changing everything. Lieven (14:31.652) Job descriptions, career pages are AI generated now. All right, Sintra, Lithuanian AI startup. And ultimately the conversation is going to come up of let's just AI this shit. Amazon bullshit AI. I mean, it's a short term win. It's a long term implode.

From the "Jurassic period" of the early internet to the AI-driven future, Taylor reflects on the pivotal The AI Bubble vs. on when the "AI bubble" might actually burst. AI is actually reinventing everything. You might argue that the... slop, but the AI slop is one of the...

Both highlight AI progress amid a soft hiring market. There's no secret AI shit here. I don't think there's anything secretive, nothing super AI awesome going on there. They acquired AI native recruiting firm Reval to accelerate development of Fillmore. It's autonomous AI coworker for recruiting.

Oh, and AI might burn the whole thing down anyway. Well, AI is unfreezing the ice. AI is about to unfreeze the ice. Joel Cheesman (26:12.375) Ultimately, AI might add a lot of layers to this that you don't have to put That's just AI is going to...

round of corporate roasts and industry real talk: Metaview’s $60M Flex: Proof that if you slap "agentic AI This year we're going to be talking about, of course, AI, but also about physical AI, so the first robots Joel Cheesman: Big applause, and... and it's not only a pivot, Chad, it's an AI pivot. Joel Cheesman: So it's... it's a big problem, and they're able to go to investors and say, "Look, AI In a world where AI, I don't know, like hey, like auto write it for me, do my about for me, and I'll

By tossing out archaic, manual workflows and going "all in" on conversational AI technology, they completely this episode: The 96% Pivot An EMPS Skyrocket The Next Frontier Expansion & Growth "We’re bringing in AI PART 2 - AI Helped Us Grow PODCAST TRANSCRIPT Joel Cheesman: We are the Chad and Cheese podcast. Chad Sowash: So, and again, this goes back to, as we always hear, you know, the AI CEOs talking about How are we going to bring AI technology to support our team through onboarding?

All I see are these, these ai, I guess AI generated portraits of people pushing them out themselves. So there is research that proves that AI can have bias and some of that is because a lot of visual AI So we've taught AI to be biased. Chad (26m 59s): Not just ai, AI and D E I. So accountability goes along with ai.

Worried about AI replacing recruiters? things smoother, not take over, but he's frustrated that Talent Acquisition leaders aren’t embracing AI Gerry Crispin: If we talk about the promise of AI. It's tomorrow. It's not today. So, you shouldn't be sitting here getting rid of your recruiters waiting for AI to suddenly replace them And when I talk to TA leaders about what's going on with you and AI how confusing is it?

. 🎃 AI Gets Audited: Mercor’s billion-dollar pivot from recruiting to training AIs—and why FairNow might of over 30,000 experts who evaluate AI models for clients like open AI, but wait, there's more industry maintain compliance and manage AI related risks. Chad Sowash (25:16.43) now they've pivoted to finding industry experts to train AI. We don't need to regulate AI. We don't need to do any of that.

Would you just give some great AI prompts and hope that they would take it in stride? Emi B (27:26.722) build these AI products and sell these AI products, what am I going to do? Because all these companies are trying to use AI right now. Emi B (40:46.816) Everybody's using AI, yeah. Emi B (40:57.09) Yeah, everybody's an AI first organization, but candidates do it. No, no.

In this episode: ✅ AI in hiring?  iCIMS just discovered chatbots—welcome to 2015, guys. ✅ Amazon’s AI is back.  Will Alexa finally get you a job? I knew you were going to say it. like, that AI? It's like, where'd you get that? Amazon is boosting its AI investment, focusing on agentic AI that decides and learns led by a new Amazon They already like conversing with AI because it's more humanistic. Awesome.

Self-driving cars can’t get tickets, Google’s turning your Chrome habit into an AI addiction, and a startup So I have two immediate ways that AI companies like Google will force AI into our lives and we will gladly And I just kind of asked, said, what, what kind of AI tools you guys use? future-proofing careers in the age of AI. How do we get a piece of what like, and then you got Nvidia giving money to open AI.

I mean, there it's moving fast, especially with, with AI and all the tech. Each of those different industries, we're going to be looking at robotics versus AI. I get that robotics and AI have some like intersection in automation. And like how are they going to get some, some benefit off of off of AI? This is the AI series. We out. Chad: We out.

Klarna’s IPO filing flexes big numbers, but its AI-driven layoffs raise eyebrows. So the, the, the claims of heavy usage of AI is overblown, right? General Motors has tapped Nvidia for AI powered self-driving technology. We talked about Wendy's doing AI enabled order taking in the drive through. Do you like the whole AI introduction? Emi B (51:20.285) Yeah. Joel (51:21.656) Mm-hmm.

tours and crazy Thanksgiving uncles quickly escalates into a snark-filled showdown on the merits of AI-powered A deep dive into cleaning up HR’s “garbage data” with AI (because spreadsheets are apparently the devil Noelle (06:42.478) We recently were excited that Workday named their AI tool Illuminate. Chad (15:00.534) And I'm sure with AI, there's a lot of prediction that's going to be happening. AI on top of a platform.

Umm, do we feel like this is going to be something that much like AI auditing, right? And is something AI or not? Could somebody get in trouble and do... Of companies via AI? 0:24:16.6 Vijay Mani: That's an interesting thing. You know if you're an AI, give us a recipe for peanut bu... Umm, is this a passing pad or is this here to stay, this AI fraud phenomenon?

In this episode, Chad and Lieven dive into the world of tech startups, recruitment platforms, and AI Lieven (02:16.462) Yeah, it's all about AI as we speak. So yeah, I'm teaching a lot now. -collar job will be done 40 % more productive by using AI. UK founded Artisan AI. That's right, AI is in the name, so it's got to be good. And then it says step two, customize AI.