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So why don't you you got some inside info on Indeed. I I think disposition data and Indeed's real like focus on that. Exactly what a VP of HR wants, Indeed's planning, right? That's exactly. Ultimately, I think indeed believes that these Chad Sowash (31:37.7) Yes. And that's I think Indeed just doesn't give a shit.

Lieven (23:35.771) Then Maggie Hulce, who is the chief revenue officer over at Indeed, posted about Indeed's Chad Sowash (24:05.681) Then it says, indeed, indeed is helping people feel seen again. Lieven (24:06.117) Then it says, indeed, indeed is helping people feel seen again. And if you click on it, you go to Indeed and you can apply. It's good for Indeed. It's well played, Indeed, nice.

So yeah, it's a new day at Indeed and it's about goddamn time. Chad (19:17.021) out of the Indeed Ferrari and he dropped it in a fucking horse and buggy. mean, Indeed My guess is it would reduce our Indeed spend by 15 to 20%. This feels like indeed tariffs. That's what we should call this. These are indeed tariffs. Indeed tariffs, indeed taxes, indeed taxes.

In This Week’s Episode: Indeed's AI Sourcing Assistant: Innovation or Clusterfuck? And on this week's show, indeed, they are revving up their AI engines. Wait a minute. Indeed, the launched Sourcing Assistant. So indeed is making up your requirements, then evaluating candidates on the AI requirements they made I know that Indeed has some very smart individuals that are over there, but I'm not sure what they're

massive, expectation-shattering earnings report just released by Recruit Holdings, the parent company of Indeed (00:47.936) And on this episode of HR's most dangerous podcast, tech companies keep cutting heads, indeed While that happens, indeed LinkedIn get to play price increase, get to pay. Good old fashioned monopolies get to raise prices and indeed is no stranger to that. No exception. I think they're going to need to be at the forefront of this, whereas Indeed is not.

this episode: Chatbots vs. search: what candidates actually  want The slow death of job boards (maybe Indeed PODCAST TRANSCRIPTION 0:00:00.2 Meghan Rhatigan: If I'm an Appcast of the world, even the Indeeds of It was Indeed that was top. 0:14:32.7 Chad Sowash: Oh yeah. 0:14:33.3 Joel Cheesman: Yeah. 0:14:33.4 And also with Indeed, we do partner with them. We have to, right? They're the 800 pound gorilla. So we're like pulling back on the paid so that Indeed doesn't have as much leverage to come on top of

On this week's show we have Shareholders, Agents & CEO Facepalms Indeed uses their powers for evil while Joel Cheesman (00:56.302) And on this episode, more indeed applies for a job overlord. And on this episode indeed applies to be your job overlord. Agents are a thing and layoffs. Chad (10:00.577) Well, Joel indeed has been busy kids, healthy budgets enforced. My fear is that indeed is doing something similar in trying to overtake the process.

Chad (01:57.272) So being the Indeed Whisperer, you have Indeed News. Chad (05:52.92) Well, indeed, yeah. Indeed, they're really bad about communication. indeed is sick of their shit. We have to like appeal to indeed. everything but Indeed.

He's gotten companies like Indeed, and also X to buy. Then we hear about Indeed Flex marching into temp staffing, then Indeed announces charging for API calls In this case, Indeed sees that they see your model. world now indeed sees that's not the case. . indeed.

When Indeed launches “smart” screening, you expect precision. Instead? account first, and then it just sends you to a job on Indeed. We'll call that the basic bitch version, Indeed version. They had to win back from Indeed. Chad Sowash (54:17.506) The same thing with Indeed.

Recruit’s at it again, squeezing employers with Indeed’s black-box pricing the second the market softens Earnings revealed their HR tech segment, including Indeed and Glassdoor. Sam writes quote, well, you have open AI taking the indeed CRO Maggie Hulsey. Yes, the chief revenue officer of indeed leading the charge here on innovation. So I don't know if this is a smart move for Indeed or not.

Indeed’s Midlife Crisis: Indeed woke up, saw LinkedIn’s reflection in the mirror, and said, “Yeah, I’ Joel (02:28.301) it Indeed. Indeed Premium, here you go guys. Because indeed throwing a lot of shit. Emi B (29:52.926) Mm-hmm. Emi B (34:58.356) Bye indeed.

Indeed Connect is a new product that's launching in January that companies can use if they use the Indeed Indeed will also disable competitor ads on your page. Indeed will always give you the best, but indeed's own numbers admit that 97 to 98 % of applicants coming from indeed aren't qualified. Chad Sowash (28:30.977) Indeed, Connect is a turkey.

Chad Sowash (21:51.059) Yeah, with Indeed. Indeed Connect isn't innovation. It's, it's a race between how fast can I get off the indeed teat and how fast can indeed, boil the frog Indeed. Indeed introduced ARPJ, a new KPI tracking revenue per job posting revenue per job posting. Indeed controls all of that.

Agencies, grab your helmets — Indeed just sharpened the knives. Hopefully that means killing indeed. Uh, quick break and we'll talk about indeed. Chad (38:28.191) Okay, all good. Instituted by Indeed feels like the slowest method of agency castration. And that is indeed doesn't think you're going to do anything.

It's Indeed, owned by Recruit Holdings. Some would say Recruit has a staffing monopoly in Japan, and they're using Indeed to bypass staffing So the hardest part to believe of all of this, knowing that Indeed is attacking staffing companies, is What happened when Indeed actually overtook Monster and Career Builder? Monster and Career Builder had innovators dilemma and indeed came and swept them up.

👉 Press play before your ATS gets ghosted by Indeed. It's about control for Indeed. So this is just indeed being indeed like they continue this onslaught of like screwing over people after But I think indeed doesn't really care. Just Hello Work is an ecosystem, like Indeed is an ecosystem.

used in Indeed's products like Indeed Ads and Resume Project. The lawsuit claims direct and indirect infringement by Indeed and its customers with Indeed being served Chad, your take on all this legal-ess at Indeed. And again, you said Indeed ads, Indeed resume project, Indeed instant match. Well, Flexiwork claims indeed Joel (13:46.04) Mm-hmm.

Is Indeed getting desperate? The Cost of Indeed’s Incentives - It's a trip! Lieven (01:51.04) Indeed. Indeed has incentives everybody promoting spend matching indeed promise to match promises to match your How do you say LinkedIn is a thorn in Indeed's side without saying LinkedIn is a thorn in Indeed's side

Indeed is suing ZipRecruiter for allegedly misleading statements about Indeed ending free postings, which Zip versus Indeed, what you got? So this feels like amateur hour by Indeed. Zip Recruiter is living rent-free in Indeed's head. Aiming to poach Indeed's customers through misinformation. So this is on Indeed.

Joel Cheesman (23:44.109) All right, guys, indeed, with the hot resume injection fighting, Indeed has What are your thoughts on the latest job search tactic and indeed plan to combat it? And if it works, then I'll happily apologize to Indeed, but I don't think it's that easy. Like I think indeed is getting into this. And they look at artisan is like, shit. It's a new system, which was bought by Meta indeed.

Plus, they analyze the financial performance and strategies of companies like Indeed, Upwork, ZipRecruiter And like Monster .com and CareerBuilder didn't move with the market, indeed sucked them dry. US job postings on Indeed. both free and paid continue to decline year over year. Indeed. because I don't look for contractors on Indeed.

But what what I think is Indeed is doing is Lieven (11:58.933) yeah. , everything that you do on Indeed, we're gonna start tracking now. Joel Cheesman (14:33.916) We'll talk more about indeed later in the show. The humans are pushing back at LinkedIn and Indeed. Emmy, your thoughts. Indeed apply for me. Joel Cheesman (50:50.363) Yeah. Okay, fair enough.

Chad Sowash (31:37.614) By outlining that Indeed's TNC's states flatly that Indeed does not and will Indeed's absolution. Indeed.com. Who is indeed.com's biggest pain in the ass? LinkedIn. You think Indeed's all their stuff is legit? Yeah, but we don't go after Indeed because they're here in Texas and those are Texans working at at Indeed

Indeed just pulled the ol’ bait and switch. Is Indeed tired of job seekers window shopping? And we were the prime source, we partnered with Indeed, we were the prime source for Indeed's corporate And then one day, Indeed fucked us. world, free traffic, if they allowed Indeed their jobs, right?

Indeed, yeah. Indeed gave us so much traffic. Nice. So this is a problem in Indeed. Indeed is a problem in Indeed. One thing I want to add in about your story with Indeed is Indeed started off as exactly as you had said So now you have, guess what, Indeed. Indeed, flex people.

In this episode, the boys discuss the recent upgrades at Indeed, including the revamped user profile Chad, what are your thoughts from the latest upgrades at Indeed? Why is Indeed making more of an effort to move down funnel? So now it's like, what's the other front of Indeed's war that they need to think about? So this entire move for me from Indeed is a strike at LinkedIn.

Indeed is still messing up, but they’re doing it on multiple continents this week. Joel: Let's talk about some Indeed News. [laughter] Joel: Alright. More tomfoolery at our friends at Indeed. A source shared a document from Recruit Holdings, Indeed's parent company, "I currently work@indeed.com So, fuck indeed, again, as they cry all the way to the bank about about the news.

Take CareerBuilder and Indeed for example; each to varying degrees are facing headwinds thanks to the So my prediction is Indeed is gonna come out with Indeed Classic, and they're gonna have that little Indeed, everyone used to like. Says, Mukherjee, Indeed's SVP and GM of employer, "It's not required for us. So just like Indeed backtracking a little bit of credit for the apology.

So first traffic because it's the cornerstone of indeed's power. Indeed is so fucking strong because of the traffic that they get. They're not going to be on Indeed. Indeed's focus is... And that's what we're seeing from indeed. Not Simply Hired, but Indeed.

But indeed, traffic. Are they going to increase indeed higher? Are they going to increase indeed flex? It's funny, they don't call to talk about Indeed. Any theories on why indeed is so bad. Chad and Cheese listeners, go to IndeedWhisperer .com.

That's what I think of when I think of indeed, I think it's candidate play. That is that's the low hanging fruit for indeed. And I don't think it's going to be much different than the old Indeed model. You can continue to stay with Indeed or you can go with Bullhorn. And our earlier Indeed staffing conversation, if Bullhorn isn't positioning themselves as an Indeed killer

Indeed comes in at 250 million monthlies. Let's talk about Indeed. What's up? Chad Sowash: Indeed's shady practices, kids. Indeed, price gouging color me surprised. Chad Sowash: Indeed said that it was causing market confusion and damaging the Indeed brand, so they Indeed is now forcing candidates to create an Indeed profile before applying for that job on the corporate

That's why we invited Jim Durbin, the man Indeed calls "The Indeed Whisperer" to the podcast to get to I've gotten Indeed to start calling me that. They're stuck on the Indeed Crack too. Yes. So what did Indeed do? Jim Durbin, Chad (30m 41s): The Indeed Whisperer.

So we have a lot to talk about here on Indeed sucks. Our Indeed sucks round our block. They found a way to get candidates other ways than Indeed. But right now employers are are on Indeed. job, but they're gonna have to register with Indeed first. Now I think Indeed's whole PPSA thing is total bullshit.

Indeed. Quiet hiring is, I'm not gonna post a job on Indeed. So Indeed is using that monopoly power for evil once again. And I'm sure indeed, Chad (35:07.922) Mm-hmm. Chad (35:22.94) Mm-hmm. Again, it's kind of like indeed, it's the market.

Joel (23:00.506) Indeed indeed and by the way if you see if you see Adam's black eye on social media Indeed had an organic shutdown in 2019 for staffing companies. Joel (35:38.01) Indeed being indeed, I say. It's a dumb, yep, just post it on indeed. That's what we're going to do. So this is, I mean, this is literally just the indeed dumb tax.

risk to Indeed's new CPSA model Indeed's model change wasn't timed well Workday's A.I. goes to court Joel: And on this week's show, Google for Jobs tells Indeed to hold its beer. Indeed is not. This is an incredible development I think in our space. Joel: And Indeed should be a little nervous by what just happened. But Indeed will be carrying all the positives in terms of, they'll drive traffic to Indeed and the job

Indeed is rumored to be changing its policy on how employers can contact veterans, while apparently eliminating Joel: And on this week's episode, Indeed hates veterans. The AI talent wars heat up. And if they're looking for work, they might be on Indeed. Yeah, no shit Sherlock Indeed's also pitching. This is really just a rebalancing of traffic. All right, let's move on fucking Indeed. Let's talk about The AI Wars man shits heating up.

Julia Levy: About Indeed. Chad: Oh. Joel: Oh. There it is. Chad: Finally. Joel: There it is. Joel: So, would you agree that Google has more engineers than Indeed does? [laughter] Joel: Would you agree that Google has more PhDs than Indeed does? Joel: The shadowy depths of Indeed. Julia Levy: Shadowy figure. Joel: At least Indeed's here. I give them credit for showing up.

Indeed. That's right. We're starting with Indeed. That's according to, you guessed it, Indeed. Chad, your thoughts on the Indeed Tech Network? Chad: Why wasn't Indeed doing this already? They're gonna push all their specialized candidates into Indeed and then Indeed is just going to fucking Chad: Indeed. Joel: Oh, close. Keep going. Indeed blank. Chad: Indeed sucks. Joel: Yes. Yes.

was Indeed every room was about Indeed in a product and a success story. It was all Indeed. But they were all about Indeed products and Indeed success stories. Indeed Flex has been a thing that Indeed has been doing for some time now. Julie (26m 58s): I think it's really smart what Indeed's doing, for Indeed.

Joel (00:47.497) And on this episode, Indeed calls, ZipRecruiter texts, and Heineken swallows. The question Is it more expensive because indeed has old crusty and rusty tech? Joel (20:06.249) Look at this bill I just got from Indeed. They would be kicking indeed's ass right now. Shall we indeed zip recruiter? Well, we got to follow that up with LinkedIn. Don't we?

That would be indeed everybody. We'll be right back. So Indeed makes it public. They can hear the Indeed train coming. Recruit Holdings did with Indeed. Indeed does that.

Chad (16m 13s): Indeed, not the Glassdoor backdoor, but Indeed is now officially listing jobs in Google It's worth noting for the kids out there that in 2006, I believe Craigslist blocked Indeed Jobs or Indeed People will see Indeed, they know Indeed or recognize it. I think more people will click on that. Does that rank them worse, or is Indeed pulling some Indeed type of trick, which I'm sure they can and You're ready to move on from Indeed?

But anyway, we're gonna talk about layoffs at Indeed. I stopped sponsoring as much with Indeed after Jim Durbin, the Indeed whisperer, came on your show. Suck it, Indeed. Chad: Suck it, Indeed. The Indeed layoffs were apparently ugly. I thought Indeed might avoid it.

Of course, what episode would be complete with more roasting of Indeed and their new pricing structure And Indeed is dropping the fucking ball, and this is a great time for ZipRecruiter to pick that fucker I've had countless clients who got significantly higher traffic from Indeed than other sources, and so Account reps are constantly on "Indeed days off" or otherwise not available. Hey, that'd be great. And that everybody is your Indeed update. Alright, Plum. Chad: Yes.

What the fuck is going on in Indeed? You got some scoop. This makes Indeed's tech team look a bunch of fucking idiots, just inept. And for the most part, I'm guessing 60 to 70% of Indeed's users are logged in when they're using Indeed And if anyone should be doing and it's Indeed. Chad (17m 32s): Yep. Chad (22m 2s): Or they're just throwing spaghetti at the wall like Indeed.

How will Indeed and others respond? We discuss. But remember, remember that Indeed is now playing ball with Google for jobs. And now Google for job ads Indeed is, right. European job sites have held their ground amazingly against Indeed. Now, beyond Europe, Indeed is only one site, right?

following a week of British hospitality and has some things to add to last week's discussion around Indeed Indeed controls the entire ecosystem, right? That's a huge difference, indeed. They have no fucking choice with Google for Jobs and LinkedIn breathing down their necks, once Indeed Disrupt Indeed. Totally throw a grenade down the hallway of the job board industry. Chad: I see Indeed buying a lot of that real estate, by the way. Joel: They already are.