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ZipRecruiter and Appcast's Pricing Changes: While Deel celebrates its growth, others like ZipRecruiter Because talking about ZipRecruiter stock is a little boring, Chad. Chad: Which is, a ZipRecruiter, and this is somewhat of a downer, especially if you are a client of ZipRecruiter Chad: ZipRecruiter. Yeah. Hey, assholes. And then they're gonna think twice about using ZipRecruiter.

As Indeed dials up revenue, ZipRecruiter’s performance just looks sad in comparison. Is it time for Recruit Holdings to grab ZipRecruiter and put it out of its misery. Joel (32:39.247) Here's a summary of the ZipRecruiter conference call. And maybe, maybe because ZipRecruiter is already public, they can roll that into one big ZipRecruiter It's time for recruit to back up the Brinks truck and buy ZipRecruiter.

They also dive into Spirit Halloween, the undead of retail, and the bloodbath between Indeed and ZipRecruiter ZipRecruiter denies by the way, claiming fair competition. ZipRecruiter took the opportunity to put social media posts. Come on over to ZipRecruiter and feel the love. And then as I predict, they'll buy ZipRecruiter and do the same thing with ZipRecruiter.

episode of the Chad and Cheese podcast, the hosts dive into several hot topics, with a sharp focus on ZipRecruiter's As job boards like ZipRecruiter and Dice face a rapidly changing market, the hosts discuss how this flop Which is very, I want to check in real quick on our friends at ZipRecruiter. What really shocks me, can ZipRecruiter not get a decent brand to endorse their shit? What you're talking about right now for ZipRecruiter, it's too late.

They also highlight ZipRecruiter's acquisition of Breakroom as a smart move, while expressing doubts ZipRecruiter takes a break room and a little buy or sell. yeah, let's do this. Joel Cheesman (28:14.144) I was trying to think of the last ziprecruiter acquisition. Chad, your thoughts on ZipRecruiter's acquisition of Break Room. Chad Sowash (29:54.646) Last week, I lined out just how Ziprecruiter's new tools were a nothing burger

AI in the recruitment industry, the challenges of the cannabis market, and the leadership fails of ZipRecruiter First, ZipRecruiter's COO, Kasim Safi, is leaving after serving in the role for just under three years Joel (33:49.168) for ZipRecruiter that this shit is going down. It's a bad situation at ZipRecruiter, for sure.

Job boards like ZipRecruiter are wheezing in the dust, outrun by AI, and in a plot twist nobody saw coming about ZipRecruiter but us. No one even listens to their own podcast over at ZipRecruiter. Joel Cheesman (38:45.614) So I'm going to bring us back to ZipRecruiter, which was our initial summary I've recently got a lot of ZipRecruiter hits all time lows. JT ODonnell (38:48.675) Sorry, Zev.

So, I think you're taking credit for this year when they rolled it out, first to big players, ZipRecruiter And we hate SMBs, but I think SMBs are gonna slowly gravitate away from ZipRecruiter, Craigslist, whatever

the big news of the week: Sense acquiring Skillate, the move-in for the kill, covering news out of ZipRecruiter That meeting included Indeed, Handshake and ZipRecruiter from our industry. Chad, give us your thoughts on ZipRecruiter and the industry taking on the teacher shortage in America So ZipRecruiter isn't in denial, but they are playing off Americans denial and throwing up a fucking Chad (29m 53s): ZipRecruiter isn't helping the problem at all.

on lab-grown meat in Alabama, Jerry Seinfeld's commencement speech, and the financial struggles of ZipRecruiter They express their disappointment with ZipRecruiter's performance and call for better leadership. If I'm an employee at ZipRecruiter right now, I'm really nervous and I'm updating my LinkedIn profile It's time to make some serious changes at ZipRecruiter if they're going to save that thing. And I was thinking about this kind of like with ZipRecruiter, but this goes along with...

If you're Indeed, ZipRecruiter and Dice, like Styx sang, these are the best of times. ZipRecruiter's Q1 revenues increased 81% as the job board raised financial projections for the year, But in this market, you can't be surprised that big brands like ZipRecruiter are doing well.

It’s probably not as bad as ZipRecruiter’s shareholders had this week. [video playback] Joel: As things are at ZipRecruiter, Chad. Oh shit. Chad, your take on the news outta ZipRecruiter. Chad: So, I have three major problems with what ZipRecruiter's been doing. When was the last time ZipRecruiter did anything to nudge the market with product?

Plus, don't miss the heated critique of ZipRecruiter’s new "Be Seen First" feature, which Emi and Joel So ZipRecruiter has launched Be Seen First, a feature allowing candidates to prioritize their applications placing submissions with be seen first notes ahead of standard applications in the review queue. has ZipRecruiter We reported a while back that ZipRecruiter basically fired their AI department over in Israel. Cause every time you talk about ZipRecruiter and they've got a new feature, the feature's shitty.

ZipRecruiter? Just kidding, they talk trash about the ZipRecruiter IPO, - Delta mandates the vaccine for new hires Joel (48s): And on this week, show ZipRecruiter more like dip recruiter. Am I right? So I have three takeaways from the ZipRecruiter IPO. I'm not nearly as bullish as you are. So I think investors are struggling with putting a $3 billion valuation on ZipRecruiter.

My first turkey goes to ZipRecruiter. Okay. This is from August. They actually launched a new online job portal schooljobsnearme.org, which was powered by ZipRecruiter Sounds like something that a headline is just made for, unfortunately ZipRecruiter didn't really put Joel (36m 29s): To me, this was a massive Turkey from ZipRecruiter from last year. Comments. Is ZipRecruiter's better than that. Joel (36m 50s): Yeah.

It's also sparking solutions like ZipRecruiter to reach for solutions, Degreed gained unicorn status Joel (38s): And on this week's show ZipRecruiter wants you to act fast. So from the vendor side, ZipRecruiter has launched a pretty interesting new feature to their service. Chad (12m 21s): I'm going to call this fear and loathing at ZipRecruiter. A ZipRecruiter labor economist, Julia Pollock, told our buddies over at AIM Group that there are three

43.878) this episode, Oyster Makes a Pearl, indeed hates old people, and LinkedIn proves it's as dumb as ZipRecruiter

This weeks Topics - CareerBuilder launches Pokemon for Jobs - ZipRecruiter just sponsored the world's ZipRecruiter? Chad: ZipRecruiter. Dropping paper, bitches. So we already know ZipRecruiter is everywhere. Chad: Yeah. Basically the whole show is just a ZipRecruiter show outside of the murder and stuff. #DHI #RigZone #Dice #Facebook #Diversity #Careerbuilder #AR #ZipRecruiter #SerialPodcast

Joel: This week we got breaking news out of ZipRecruiter. that's been hiring is one that we've known for a while, and they're usually on the podcast waves, is ZipRecruiter Joel: While we anxiously await the IPO announcement from ZipRecruiter, let's hear #Linkedn #ZipRecruiter #Indeed #AllyO #Dice #chatbots #Matching

- Facebook fights total bullshit claims - Walmart is sending the blue vests to college - ZipRecruiter One of your favorites: ZipRecruiter. Tell us what they've done. Chad: Yeah. ZipRecruiter could be that underdog that we don't really pay attention to that really comes out swingin #Indeed #Resumecom #Dice #DHI #Facebook #GDPR #ZipRecruiter #WalMart #SEEK #HCareers #VirgilCareers

This week the boys take on Indeed, ZipRecruiter and crappy job descriptions. ZipRecruiter is getting into the private label job board business ... but why? ZipRecruiter, who we talk about a lot on the show, acquired JobBord.io or JobBoard.io. And to be quite frank, this is easy from a ZipRecruiter standpoint. #Indeed #ZipRecruiter #JobBoardio #Stellaai #Talenya #AI #Google #Facebook

In this week's episode, ZipRecruiter eyes a new round of funding to the tune of $50 million, valuing Recruitment ad agencies are losing their shit over programmatic ad buying, and ZipRecruiter goes looking Joel: ZipRecruiter. Chad: Money. Money, money, money. What ZipRecruiter has done is take a job board, traditional marketing perfection in terms of ... #ZipRecruiter #Recruitics #Indeed #Monster #SodaStream #RealMatch #Workday

First, Chad goes off on ZipRecruiter, Mayweather-style, dissing their loose definition of “integration #ZipRecruiter #Crowded #Google #Facebook #Careerbuilder

Like, how about startup Otta receiving investment from an Indeed cofounder, or ZipRecruiter unleashing nineties film classic and you ought to know isn't just a great nineties lyric, LinkedIn's fake menace and ZipRecruiter Like let's take a break and get to a LinkedIn and ZipRecruiter. Chad (31m 45s): Do it. new commercial from Zip that touts someone or something named Phil that'll get you a job powered by ZipRecruiter's So Dan said of ZipRecruiter's Phil quote, "ZipRecruiter has managed the impossible, making the job hunting

earlier this year, it's looking like things are finally starting to heat-up with Upwork, Slack and ZipRecruiter Joel: On this week's show, ZipRecruiter keeps making it rain. Joel: All right, hot off the presses, ZipRecruiter, you may have heard them, you Slack, which we've talked about a lot and, frankly, laughs at ZipRecruiter's 1.5 billion valuation, because #Slack #Upwork #ZipRecruiter #Google #GoogleHire #Amazon #LinkedIn #SimplyHired

The stars have somehow aligned and we got news drop from all your favs this week: ZipRecruiter, LinkedIn The Four Horsemen keep riding on Chad, ZipRecruiter announced their earnings recently. So if you're trading the stock, and we know that all you JobBoard lovers out there, owning ZipRecruiter All right, so they faced challenges in 2023 due to what ZipRecruiter described as "one of the slowest Shout out to ZipRecruiter. Chad: Amazing.

Spoiler alert: Indeed, Glassdoor, ZipRecruiter and Dice disappointed pretty much every shareholder. The silver lining perhaps was ZipRecruiter beating on earnings and revenue, of course that's after being horsemen of the apocalypse, Google and LinkedIn, AI, automation and the gig economy spell trouble for ZipRecruiter easy billion dollars is getting into this job posting space in a big way and making Indeed, Glassdoor, ZipRecruiter Or a ZipRecruiter ad.

Ethan Bloomfield is a recruitment tech industry veteran who helped vendors like JobTarget & ZipRecruiter And I know that you're maybe downplaying the impact that you had on ZipRecruiter, particularly in the It was 10 people when I left, it was 120 ZipRecruiter we talked about and Truckers Report. and each of those companies that I worked for did, right, there was nothing for SMB in the way that ZipRecruiter Everything else was there 2-3000 person sales organization and ZipRecruiter cracked that code.

So Indeed needs to bolster its matching tech and much less ZipRecruiter deliver better match candidates Or how about ZipRecruiter who's now a public company? I've been predicting a ZipRecruiter IPO for years and 2021 finally proved me, right. So I have three takeaways from the ZipRecruiter IPO. I'm not nearly as bullish as you are. Joel (39m 24s): I Sims is more in that Workday bubble then ZipRecruiter is like Post Jobs.

, just how bullish Michael is on ZipRecruiter and whether or not a hard or soft landing is on the offing They already have LinkedIn and ZipRecruiter. Chad: Last year we also talked about ZipRecruiter, and you were very bullish on them. What the hell's happening at ZipRecruiter? Joel: Amazon, ZipRecruiter, I know all the famous people. Let's bring us back into 2023.

travels west too, so in addition to our Cali adventures, news from Hirevue, LinkedIn, Google, Indeed, ZipRecruiter Joel: But interestingly, they talked about an integration with ZipRecruiter and Indeed. Joel: And then I said, and I did like "ZipRecruiter: Sales jobs" to see what happened. So I'm not exactly sure how this is gonna play out, but the fact that they listed Indeed and ZipRecruiter

Dice and ZipRecruiter initiate layoffs and a CEO takes a 30% pay cut. ZipRecruiter is eliminating about 20% of its workforce and giving its top executive a pay cut due to Funny enough, our friend of the show, Chris Russell, opined that ZipRecruiter could buy CareerBuilder

If Chad & Cheese ever opened a restaurant, this episode might give you an idea of the menu items. In addition to talking about the acquisition of Lever by Employ (Jobvite, JazzHR), layoffs at you favorite companies, and Tesla putting its ATS in the rearview mirror, food and beverage take center stage. Big news out of Taco Bell, Chik-fil-A, and your favorite beer distributors. Kinda job-related. Anyone else hungry? PODCAST TRANSCRIPTION sponsored by: Disability Solutions helps support and educate your workforce through disability awareness and inclusion training. INTRO (1s): Hide your kids! Lock the doors! You're listening to HR’s most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheeseman are here to punch the recruiting industry, right where it hurts! Complete with breaking news, brash opinion and loads of snark, buckle up boys and girls, it's time for the Chad and Cheese podcast. Joel (22s): Oh yeah. Two guys the United States will never send to Taiwan. Hey boys and girls, you're listening to the Chad and Cheese podcast. This is your cohost. Joel "¡Yo quiero Cheeseman!" and Chad (36s): This is Chad "is that a hellfire?" Sowash. Joel (39s): And on this week's show 'Lever? I hardly even know her,' Tesla leaves its ATS in the rear view mirror and so much fried chicken and beer we hardly have room for Taco Bell's Mexican pizza. Chad (53s): Oh God. Joel (54s): Let's do this. Chad (55s): So dude, how do you hit a terrorist on a balcony with a hell fire missile and not kill everyone in the fucking building? Joel (1m 4s): It's science. Chad (1m 5s): The hellfire R9X. That's how kids? Joel (1m 9s): Yeah. Chad (1m 10s): Oh my God. For all those kids who don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. So Al-Qaeda leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri was killed in a drone strike earlier this week. So that was actually done with the hell fire missile without any explosives, total kinetic energy. I mean, one of the things that the US is good at is wars and weapons. Everything else, not so much. Joel (1m 34s): And we do fast food pretty well too, which we will get to in this show. Chad, I promise, I promise. By the way, I know we talk occasionally about what we're binging and watching. Have you checked out the Old Man on Hulu? Chad (1m 47s): I have not yet. Yeah, we saw it, but it looks good. Have you watched it? Joel (1m 50s): Well, we're up to date on it. Chad (1m 52s): Okay. Joel (1m 53s): Yes. We have watched the final episode. I forgot I was falling asleep at the end, but that doesn't mean it's not good. It just means that I'm old and tired, but yeah, the Old Man is, is quality of television. If you, if you get a chance to look at it. Should we get the shoutouts? Chad (2m 7s): Shoutouts! Joel (2m 8s): This could be a long show. Let's get to it. All right. I got a shout out for the globally recognized publication, Chad, you're gonna know this one, the Employee Experience Magazine. Chad (2m 18s): Oh Yeah. I think I've seen those in bathrooms all over the world. Joel (2m 21s): Yeah. You know, you know, you know, Time, National Geographic and the Employee Experience Magazine. Anyway. Well we love lists. Chad (2m 29s): Yes. Joel (2m 29s): Even when the list is on a site and a publication that no one's ever heard of. Chad (2m 34s): Yes. Joel (2m 34s): The EEM as the kids call them publish their top 20 HR podcast and yours truly are included. Saying quote "Chad Sowash and Joel Cheeseman have successfully created the self called most dangerous HR podcast. The charismatic, sincere and fun duo wants to discuss spicy and not so common topics". Chad (3m 3s): Yes. Joel (3m 3s): "Spicy, charismatic and fun," pretty sure I dated her back in high school, but not someone I'd want to have my baby. Shout out to Employee Experience Magazine surely available at all fine bookstores and bodega's near you. Chad (3m 15s): I took a look at that top 20. I literally could only identify five. I had no clue who the other fucking 15 were. So before we get all excited about making a list, let's just, yeah. Let's let's not get excited! Joel (3m 27s): Yeah. And I love how they put, like it said no particular order. It's like we don't, we didn't really actually listen to these shows. We just gonna put 'em on and hope they talk about us on their podcast. Chad (3m 36s): Either way. Thank you so much. Joel (3m 37s): Which we are dumb enough to do. Chad (3m 39s): We appreciate the list. My first shout out, goes to the crew over at FactoryFix. Joel (3m 46s): There you go. Chad (3m 46s): Remember a couple of weeks ago when we were talking about RecFest and you asked whether I was jealous that our friends over at the Tapod podcast had trucker hats and we did not. Well, the FactoryFix clan heard your veiled ask and they sent us Chad and Cheese trucker hats with little FactoryFix logo love on 'em. So big shout out to the gang at FactoryFix. Joel (4m 12s): Glad they sent you a trucker hat. I got nothing. Chad (4m 15s): I've got two. I've got one for you. It's okay. It's okay. Joel (4m 18s): All right. Good. All right. Good. And at first I thought why I'm on a hat with Santa Claus for some reason you came out with a totally white beard. Chad (4m 28s): Yeah. Joel (4m 29s): And I had purple hair. So I'm not sure if it's a different podcast that they were they're thinking of, but yeah the visuals have something to left be desired in terms of sticking to brand. Chad (4m 39s): Yeah. So I think in their haste, they went with the first vendor they could find who had about four colors. Joel (4m 47s): Much like this show their heart's in the right place and sometimes the brain doesn't quite keep up. Chad (4m 53s): That's why they love us so much. Joel (4m 54s): Yeah, that's right. But speaking of on brand, let's talk about Sally Millick that's right. She's our latest winner of whiskey! Chad (5m 2s): Love her! Joel (5m 3s): Sponsored by our friends at Textkernel. For those that don't know, by the way, you gotta go to Chadcheese.com/free to get that chance to get free stuff. Anyway, she posed her winnings on social media this week, but more importantly, Chad, did you see Sally's bar? I guess she calls it a speakeasy in the background of her pic? Jesus Christ! I wanna party at Sally's house. Chad (5m 26s): Amen. Joel (5m 26s): Shout Out, shout out to Sally. And, what time should I be there? And, what kind of dip should I bring for the chips? Good Lord. Chad (5m 33s): Let's find flights to Rochester, New York now. Let's get there. Joel (5m 36s): No, we can drive there. Shit. Party bus. Chad (5m 39s): Fuck that. In talking about Sally Millick, she actually pointed out that friend, Tina Davis, she actually posted a selfie with the Chad and Cheese t-shirt that we missed several months ago. Joel (5m 53s): What?! Chad (5m 53s): So I guess better, late than never. Tina Davis thanks for posting and we do have some new t-shirts coming sometime soon. Do we not? Do we have an update on that? Joel (6m 5s): Sure. I'll update. Okay. Because we talked about last week. All right. So historically we've put up a competition on 99 designs. Typically they perform very well we get 30 to 50, really interesting, pretty good design ideas. And this year it was a big pile of shit. It was awful. Chad (6m 25s): Yeah. Joel (6m 26s): So I've gone to fivrr. I'm getting four designers to do some designs. We'll pick like four and then we'll put it up for a vote. So I think we're gonna get some interesting stuff this year versus what be done previously. But yes, there will be shirts. They'll be kick ass and there'll be quality shirts. Chad, not these Haynes Beefy-tee, a hundred percent cotton shit. We go tri! We go tri-blend on our shirts. Chad (6m 48s): Oh yeah. Joel (6m 49s): So I appreciate the patience. We'll get there. A big thanks to our sponsor JobGet on the t-shirts they're coming. For the holidays we will have t-shirts I promise Chad (6m 58s): For the holidays and we're gonna have a promotion. So that again, once again, our listeners can pick which t-shirt they want. So look out for the promotion and yes t-shirts via JobGet. Thanks guys over at JobGet we're excited about it. Joel (7m 14s): No doubt. No doubt. And my next shout out, Chad. Oh yeah. You know what that means? Chad (7m 22s): Oh Fuck. Joel (7m 22s): As reported by every major news outlet, including I think the Employee Experience Magazine, Chad! The Bell's, the Bell's Mexican pizzas, finally returning to menus following the three month absence. Back when we initiate initially reported this when it returned Chad, the pizza is coming back permanently on September 15th after demand was higher than expected back in May and caused them to run out roughly two weeks after the relaunch. Yes, Virginia. There is a Santa Claus. He's on our hat and he loves him some Mexican pizza from Taco Bell. Joel (8m 3s): Shout out to the Bell, everybody. Chad (8m 5s): Oh, very nice. Shout out to JT O'Donnell for the elevated Blanton's package that arrived on my doorstep this week. A couple of old fashioned rock glasses, crystal hand etched, Glen, Karen glasses and maple syrup aged in bourbon cask. That's right. When JT does it, she does it. Right. So quick shout out to JT O'Donnell! Joel (8m 30s): Nice. Shout out. Nice. Shout out. All right guys. I mentioned it, but you gotta get on Chadcheese.com/free click. The link. We got whiskey from Textkernel. We got beer. Who's our new beer? Aspen Tech Labs. We got so many new sponsors I can't even keep up, but you gotta go to the site. And also, by the way, if you like our show hit our show, we don't care, leave a review on wherever you listen to podcasts. We like getting feedback. It's our oxygen. And we weren't really hugged much as children. So we like hearing people love us or hate us. As long as you give us some attention. Chad (9m 4s): We're latchkey kids go figure. And that being said, latchkey kids. We're leaving the fucking house kids. That's right events. So Joel, how much do you love being back at events? Joel (9m 16s): I love being back at events. I love seeing people. I love free stuff that I get. Chad (9m 23s): Hugs. Joel (9m 23s): I love Oasis cover bands. Yeah. I love it all. I love it all. How about you? Chad (9m 27s): Well guess what? September 13th through the 16th in Las Vegas, we are going to be at HR tech. October? October 5th through the 7th we're gonna be at InspireHR in Nashville, Tennessee kids. That's right. The Nash Vegas. That's yeah. We're going from Vegas to Nash Vegas. We're gonna have problems here. sfx (9m 49s): What did you say? Chad (9m 51s): Yeah. And last but never least October 12th and 13th. It is get ready Unleash World in gay Paris. That's right. If you are in Europe and you have never gone to an Unleash World before, get your ass to Unleash World register today. If you're in the US and you haven't been? It's a reason to go to Paris. Number one, number two, it's one of the best events in the world. Get your ass to gay Paris for Unleash. Joel (10m 28s): No doubt. And Chad who supports our travel efforts? Chad (10m 32s): Our friends at Shaker Recruitment Marketing. Joel (10m 34s): Exactly. And some more friends of ours. Let's talk about birthdays. People are celebrating another trip around the sun. We're talking about Kim Bates Happy Birthday! Christy, our first super fan. I think Moon out in Utah! Stephanie Pendrass I have to like do a double take on a lot of these names. So we don't, I don't like a Seymour Butts. Doesn't slip through which I know. Well, Rachel Tascholaude Michael Malludy Kip Birthwhistle. Sally Millick>. Yeah. Didn't she just went a bunch of whiskey? She sure as hell did! Joel (11m 13s): That was some nice timing. Neil Costa Chad (11m 18s): Hire Clix! Joel (11m 18s): Longtime influencer, Jaylee. Brendan. Cruickshank out at Emissary, man. George Jetson. What? Chad (11m 24s): George Jetson. You saw this all over social media this week. Kids that's because George Jetson was supposedly born. I think it was on Sunday. I think it was actually July 31st, 2022. So happy birthday, new baby George Jetson. Joel (11m 41s): Yeah. Yeah. Thank God for social media. Otherwise, every year we wouldn't see like back to the future memes and George Jetson's initial birthday and all kinds of good stuff. Thanks, internet! Chad (12m 1s): TOPICS! Joel (12m 1s): All right, Employ. Chad (12m 1s): Yes. Joel (12m 3s): The artist formerly known as Jobvite, I guess, has acquired San Francisco based Lever. Terms of the deal were not disclosed along with Greenhouse Lever, enjoyed a "cool kids" and I'm using air quotes on that one label for maybe longer than it deserved. Nevertheless, Employ a brand that encompasses Jobvite, JazzHR and NXTThingRPO said, the acquisition will enable Lever and employee to grow faster together. That's how that works. Founded in 2012 Lever employs just over 300 folks, that's according to LinkedIn. It's consolidation, baby. Chad, your thoughts. Chad (12m 42s): So I've been hearing rumblings that Greenhouse has been eating Lever's lunch for about 18 to 24 months, maybe longer. So I dug into those rumblings after this acquisition news hit the wire to pretty much, you know, chat with other platform leaders that integrate with applicant tracking systems to see if those rumblings were true. And I had multiple leaders from multiple platforms say without divulging numbers, that yes, since the pandemic they've seen a dramatic switch from Lever to Greenhouse. Again, those are platforms that integrate with ATSs. So when their customers switch, it's quite noticeable. In the market, I believe one of Lever's biggest issues was its inability to pick a lane or picking it too late because between enterprise and SMB, there's a big gap. Chad (13m 33s): And that's a really big lane to try to try to drive through. Although some would say the SMB market is huge. You and I would would agree, but then disagree. And we'll talk about that in a minute. Joel (13m 47s): Yeah. Chad (13m 47s): I would counter with SMB also fucking sucks. Case in point client acquisition. You have to spend tons of cash to acquire clients. It's a cash burn fest. SMB is a transactional game, not a real platform play and competitors. So quick question as we start to think about this in the SMB arena, who do you think the biggest competitor is for a company like Lever? Joel (14m 14s): Oh, Smart Recruiters? Maybe. Chad (14m 16s): And that's what you would automatically think from an ATS standpoint. But remember these are small small companies. Indeed, Zip Recruiter and job platforms like Jobcase that offer more than just post and pre mechanisms. Joel (14m 27s): Yeah. Chad (14m 28s): Right. You can go to Indeed today, post a job, go through their assessment, their interviewing, all that other fun stuff. You don't have to buy a platform, right? Joel (14m 36s): Yeah. Chad (14m 36s): This is all transactional. So as we take a look at this and I think it's hilarious as I listen to other analysts, industry analysts saying, oh, SMB is such a huge market. Yeah. But when you take a look at this market, you're gonna get your lunch fucking fed to you, not just by Freenhouse, but also by Indeed and Zip Recruiter and Jobcase. And are boys over at FactoryFix. Right. So the competition for SMB is so much bigger than trying to play with those white whales on enterprise. Joel (15m 10s): Yeah. That's great insight. So, TikTok, isn't just your favorite app Chad. It's also the sound startups here after they've taken a lump sum of money. Lever first took significant money back in 2012 and ended up raising a total of about $123 million when all was said and done. The runway for investors usually lasts around seven years or so. Founder and CEO, Sarah Nahm was let go in 2018 and I'm guessing a liquidation event would've happened sooner, but then COVID hit. Chad (15m 45s): Yes. Joel (15m 45s): There's no appetite for ATSs in the public markets currently just ask iCIMS. So Lever was probably out of options. It seems like a decent business, a little bit outta date. And you kind of touched on those points. But to me, everything points to this as investors wanting to cash out and move on to other investments that might have a lot more potential. So when I look at stuff like this, I look at the clock and this was right around that seven to 10 year mark, where it was time to either shit or get off the pot. And I'm guessing they found a good, you know, buyer and Employ now. At $123 million, that price tag is usually pretty high. Joel (16m 26s): There's no way in hell that even K1, Employ's sugar daddy was willing to pay, you know, 10X for Lever. Chad (16m 31s): No way. Joel (16m 31s): I like a lot of their money back for the initial investors. But I doubt there was a whole hell of a lot of money returned to them in terms of profit, which also points to a little bit of a fire sale here. I think that's what happened for the most part. I'll also add that the PR around this was really weird. They announced this on their blogs, which is kind of weird in and of itself. They didn't give like us a heads up and not that we're the end all for media, but there's usually at least some heads up like, Hey, this is going down. Or you know, obviously they give us, when we can talk about it, hey, if you have any questions or wanna bring on the CEO? Joel (17m 14s): There was none of that. There's nothing on like PR news services about this. If you go to Google news and search Lever and JobVite or Employ, there's nothing there that's really odd for buying a company that's raised $123 million. That's a brand that people know. Why they wanted to keep it on the down low, why they wanted to keep this quiet? Maybe that reason is obvious. Maybe it's more nuanced than that. But the PR around this was really strange. I just wanted to point that out as well in my comments. Chad (17m 43s): I'm gonna hit the clearance rack or the fire sale subject real quick. So even though many people in the industry are saying, this wasn't a clearance rack sale, there's a lot of defenders that are out there. I'm gonna push back and say, okay, maybe Lever didn't wait to hit the 70% markdown rack, but they sure as hell waited long enough to hit the 30 to 50% markdown rack, which is a great acquisition for Employ as they can pull the plug on Lever and feed the Jazz and Jobvite machines with the additional Lever client portfolio. So this is a classic consolidation move, which deserves a big applause. Chad (18m 23s): Of course, the question is when do we think they're actually gonna pull the plug on Lever? Joel (18m 27s): So I would bring up two things on that. One is, I bet if you asked their investors, if this was on the clearance track or not, I'm betting, they would all say, yeah, we sold it at a deep discount. The second thing is, if the business was doing so well, they wouldn't have fired their CEO. And that's just like, I don't know how you would argue that. So if you think this was a great business, that it was doing very well, answer me why the CEO is let go and answer me or gimme any investors that say, yeah, we cashed out big time on Lever? Cuz I think you'd be hard pressed to find both of those. Chad (19m 5s): Agreed. Joel (19m 5s): All right, Tesla! Chad (19m 6s): What? Joel (19m 6s): Your boy Elon. All right. In a piece by the Information. What A pasty fuck, by the way, did you see the pictures of him on a boat? And they might have been doctored, but that was a pasty fat fuck right there. I'm not hating. Dude. I'm not hating you get me a yacht and some sexy washboard as like we could recreate that picture. I think we should make, let's get a yacht or just a pontoon boat. I'll get topless with my white pasty fat ass. And you can spray me down with a hose. I think we could recreate that picture and make some social media gold. Anyway. Chad (19m 42s): Let's do it. Joel (19m 44s): All right. This is from the Information. Tesla has introduced proprietary software for tracking its job applicants. Three current and former recruiting employees told the publication a move that could lower hiring related costs as CEO, Elon Musk follows through on his goal to reduce the electric vehicle makers reliance on external software vendors. The move by Tesla marks an unusual step to develop internal talent related technology say for some of the biggest tech players, such as Google. Very few have done what Tesla has done. Chad thoughts on Tesla's strategy and should vendors be shaking in their battery powered boots right about now? Chad (20m 20s): First and foremost, I would love to be a fly on the wall during this build because this could turn out to be awesome or Amazon. And, what I mean by that is everybody remembers Amazon built tech to source candidates, but they obviously didn't have the appropriate oversight because the algorithm learned that it should and did kick out qualified female candidates to the curb. Joel (20m 48s): Yeah. Not good. Chad (20m 48s): Now, Tesla, probably one of the most innovative auto companies in the world, believes they can build a full system, which extends well past just sourcing and what Amazon did. But I would say if Stewart Butterfield ran Tesla, this would be a product that would hit the market in a couple years. But I believe Elon and the crew over there will keep this project behind curtains to ensure that nobody knows how they're targeting, attracting, and hiring top talent. Not to mention once you get it out there, the whole EEOC bias machine starts happening. People can look at it, they can point out flaws and they don't want that. Joel (21m 29s): Yeah. Yeah. So not sure if you've heard Chad, but HR tech can be really expensive. Chad (21m 34s): Yeah. Joel (21m 35s): Yeah. And that's shocking. I know. So with hiring, slowing down, along with the economy, it makes sense that companies would look at their recruiting costs. Hello CEO, sticker shock, right. Which then leads to at least Elon saying, 'can't we just build this ourselves?' I think that more enterprise level companies are gonna be asking this question as the economy slows down. We've been talking about Google's homemade ATS for over a decade. Maybe like I'm serious. Like. Chad (22m 4s): Yeah. Joel (22m 5s): When they made their own ATS, people were like, bloggers, like me at the time were, you know, Bon horrific, like, oh my God, why don't they release this as a product? Which they never really kind of did. Hire wasn't that much like their own ATS anyway. Chad (22m 18s): No. Joel (22m 18s): But the fact that more enterprise companies, and I don't know, maybe some do, bigger ones do this, but I think a lot of them are gonna ask why can't we do this ourselves? And not necessarily the AI stuff that Amazon did, but just the basic management of candidates applying for jobs. Most people want customized ATS features anyway, which ATSs won't build. So there's gotta be some internal conversation about like, oh, we could customize this just for us. The other side of this and you mentioned this as well, is the smaller businesses out there that are using Indeed, Zip Recruiter, you know, their job board of choice as their ATS. ATS is deem to be in a potential squeeze here, right? Joel (22m 59s): They're like at the top end, do they get more big companies making their own ATS and job boards? Aren't what they used to be. I mean, they're more full platform hiring solutions now that small businesses will gravitate toward instead of spending the high prices that they would for an ATS. So I think there's a real interesting dilemma for ATSs going into the future. Our market moves really slowly. So this isn't gonna happen overnight, but I do think it is a potential existential threat to the business from where I'm sitting. Chad (23m 33s): Yeah. I don't think so. We've seen this before, when ATSs were, were first created, companies looked at it and they said, oh, we can do that. And then they all just got fucking imploded. This is a house of cards type of scenario. Joel (23m 45s): Yeah. Chad (23m 45s): If you wanna build it, you have to evolve it. You have to maintain it. Then you have the technical debt. So if you wanna try to build something on the enterprise side, there is a lot of work and cost that most companies will not sustain. It might stick around and be a boat anchor for several years, but it won't work. It can't work, especially at scale. So yes, the Googles of the world, they have engineers to be able to do those types of things. Will Tesla possibly you'll have a onesie. Twosies, but on the enterprise side, I don't see a threat at all. I do continue to see a threat on the SMB side though. Joel (24m 26s): Well, Chad, there are a lot of layoffs. sfx (24m 28s): Layoffs? Joel (24m 28s): In the tech sector that could change your mind. Let's take a quick break and we'll talk about what's going on in the layoffs sfx (24m 37s): Layoffs. Chad (24m 38s): Okay. So quick side note, before we jump into to layoffs. Why we were talking about TA tech, I wanted to note the death of elevated careers, AKA eHarmony for jobs and sfx (24m 54s): Oh Hell no. - TAPS music. Chad (24m 57s): And career guru who acquired Elevated Careers some years ago. So remember that Elevated Careers was actually owned by eHarmony and was using the tech, the eHarmony tech to match jobs with job seekers, which you and I both thought was the stupidest bullshit in our space. sfx (25m 15s): Yep. Chad (25m 15s): We then had a conversation with Steve Carter, the CEO of Career Guru on the show after the acquisition. And I think I can say for the both of us, we both predicted this would happen. eHarmony for jobs is now officially dead. Joel (25m 33s): Is that one in the archives? It's gotta be right? Chad (25m 39s): It is in the archives. If you Google Chadcheese.com and Elevated Careers it's right there or Career Guru. It's right there. I think it's from 2017 or early 2018. Joel (25m 51s): There you go kids, if you wanna take a walk down memory lane, Elevated Careers, Chadcheese.com the library of the last five years of the industry. Well, we mentioned it. Layoffs. Let's talk layoffs, Chad. Yep. Especially in tech man, the news keeps coming this week. Trading platform, Robinhood said it would cut about 23% of its workforce. That's almost a quarter Chad. Shopify announced that it will lay off 10%. Some 60 Lyft employees are hitting the bricks. Apple is reportedly slowing, hiring and spending in 2023, Google, Meta and Spotify are all pulling back plans to hire. Joel (26m 34s): And the list keeps going. Redfin, 8%. Compass, 10% Coinbase 18%. Stitchfix 15%. Tesla 10%. Intel is freezing hiring. Twitter, Door Dash, Peloton, Carvana and your favorite company Chad, Amazon, announced belt tightening this week saying it's been adding jobs at the slowest rate since 2019. The company said it now has about a hundred thousand fewer employees than in the previous quarter. Chad, what's your take on this news and what it could mean more importantly to our industry? You know, the one that helps companies recruit warm bodies. Chad (27m 5s): So if you take a look at the job market in itself in the first place, it's been a rocket ship, it's been fucking explosive. But if you see what happens with a rocket, they have a burn until they get to the atmosphere and then obviously everything stops. That's what's happening. If you take a look at most of these companies, they've been hiring like mad, trying to suck all of the talent out of the market, away from their competitors, much like taking the wind out of their sales. And, we're finally seeing a slowing or a stop in some cases to that. The only thing I see this impacting is wages. So for those, especially for those technical positions, because when you are in high demand, you can ask for the world and when you're not, well, you can, but you probably won't get it. Chad (27m 53s): So the wage increases we've seen over the past couple of years, I think is gonna be the biggest impact. For anybody who's been paying attention to the hiring landscape for more than five minutes, this should not be a surprise. Joel (28m 8s): Yeah. Chad (28m 9s): We were in fucking full burn on that rocket. And now we're just in the next orbit. Joel (28m 15s): And I'd also add that in addition to salaries, the work from home movement could have an interesting turn. I don't know if you're feeling a little heat from the boiling water, but, Rocky might be getting a little warm. I think it was our buddy. Well, not buddy. He's our buddy. He doesn't know it. Professor Galloway and his conversation about, yeah, you wanna work from home. You can be unemployed at home as well. I don't know if this'll be a quicker move or aggressive move to get people back in the office. But I think that could be an interesting angle to what's going on with the layoffs. Now in terms of what it does to our industry, look in bad times, and this isn't necessarily bad for everyone, but hiring on the macro will slow and that's historically bad for our space. Joel (28m 59s): However, I think things are a little different now. Number one, technology subscriptions have replaced post and pre for many. So fewer traditional job boards in our industry, meaning like flat fee postings means less fallout. Back in the day when there was no hiring, every job board hit the fucking shoot, and everyone got ejected, as a result. And also programmatic means making money on clicks. And if there are more job seekers, there will be profits that weren't there necessarily when everyone had a job. This isn't 2001, and it's definitely not 2008, which was a neutron bomb for the kids out there who don't remember 2008. Yeah. Chad (29m 39s): Knock on wood. Joel (29m 40s): That's probably a good thing. There will be some right sizing. We've seen that with Remote and Smart Recruiters and a few others, but I don't think that the downturn in the economy will be a blood bath. I hope that's a prediction that I get, right. Chad (29m 54s): Yes. Well, I agree, but this is also good for consolidation, right? The amount of noise that we have had in our fucking market, it it's been exciting cuz we've had a lot to talk about, but it has been ridiculous. The amount of companies that we've been talking to either together or separate, that believe they have an answer to a problem in the market, for the most part, most of those problems don't even exist or they're problems that companies wouldn't even pay for. Right. So we're seeing just a huge, huge bloated market that should go either through death of some brands like Elevated Careers or consolidation like Lever. Joel (30m 32s): Ooh, I like how you work that in there. I like how you work that in there. Ultimately it won't be the only layoff story. sfx (30m 42s): Layoffs. Layoffs! Joel (30m 42s): All right, Chad. I love Jesus chicken as much as the next guy, but this is probably going a little too far. All right. I'm talking about Chick-fil-A gang. A Hendersonville North Carolina franchise issued an offer in a now deleted post on Facebook. It read quote, “We are looking for volunteers for our new Drive Thru Express! Earn 5 free entrees per shift (1 hr) worked. Message us for details.” Well, Chad, you can imagine that this didn't go over very well. Aside from probably breaking a few laws the internet's had an opinion as well. Joel (31m 23s): Comment came in such as, pay workers, money not chicken. I don't want anyone serving food that's not actually been trained, and pay a living wage, it's pretty simple, if you can't afford to pay a living wage, then you can't afford to run a business. Aside from another reason to head to Taco Bell, Chad. What's your hot take or should I say Nashville hot chicken take on this story? Chad (31m 46s): I thought that you were actually broadcasting from North Carolina after you packed up the kids and the dog and, and you just made, you made your way there because you are a Chick-fil-A fan. Joel (31m 58s): Will work for chicken, everybody. Chad (31m 60s): Me, on the other hand, I am, I have a bias against Jesus chicken due to their stance against LGBTQ rights and I just won't buy their food. Do you think calling this a volunteer position made it okay, or do you think that's where they thought it would be? Okay. Joel (32m 17s): I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and say this wasn't like a headquarters initiative. That this was some Bumble fuck in North Carolina franchisee who thought, well, shit, let's do a volunteer deal and see if we can give away fried chicken to get people to work. And by the way, fried chicken, if you've never been to the south is kind of like a religion. So it doesn't surprise me that you would put out fried chicken meals as a way to get people to work. So I like to give them a little bit of benefit of the doubt and say, this was sort of a rogue franchisee that that quickly got smacked around and deleted the post and got some, got some education on, you know, labor laws and whatnot. Chad (32m 60s): I agree, but here here's from the CNET story quote, "it's also been noted by some online that Chick-fil-A's owners are worth an estimated $14 billion". We're continuing to experience capitalism, go off the rails. This is a step worse than West Virginia coal mines in the company store the late 1800s, at least back then you could buy more than Jesus chicken at a company store. We need to reign this shit in. Yes, that might have been a rogue franchisee, but I can guarantee you, there are conversations happening like this. And hopefully attorneys are slapping 'em down in much bigger settings. Joel (33m 44s): I also wanna know who are these people that will get off the couch and go volunteer for food. Why don't you just get a job there, make money and get free meals, which they actually give to employees. So I'm a little confused about the psychology of who would actually go volunteer for free food. Chad (34m 5s): You think they get free food though? As a Jesus chicken worker? I'm not sure Joel (34m 11s): If they're working because Chad, my son has applied to Chick-fil-A. I know. Chad (34m 14s): Okay. Joel (34m 15s): Free meals are part of that's kind of a thing for fast food. You get free meals if you work there. But, anyway, I just don't know the psychology of someone that says, Hey, man, I'm just gonna go down. Chick-fil-A take some orders and deal with customers for a fried chicken meal. Like I just I've the psychology of that is a little bit hard for me to understand, but I do a podcast for a living and I'm sure that confuses a lot of people as well. Chad (34m 38s): Well, and it could be, cause you have beer brain. Joel (34m 41s): It could be beer brain. And if you don't know what we're talking about, stay tuned. We'll be right back. Chad (34m 46s): What the fuck is beer brain? Joel (34m 49s): Yeah. Well Chad, if you need a beer at this point in the podcast, you're not alone. It's five o'clock somewhere. Right? Well dammit. Once again, everything you love is killing you. New research out of the University of Wisconsin, Madison and the University of Pennsylvania. Two states that know a thing or two about beer, Chad, just half, half a beer a day can reduce the volume of your brain and stress cognitive powers. What's more, the study says it gets worse, the more you drink. Chad (35m 26s): Fuck! Joel (35m 27s): Research is analyzed brain MRIs for more than 36,000 people and found that brain volume shrunk with every increasing drink to the point that four drinks a day was equivalent to aging the brain by 10 years. I would've read more, but my brain said, Nope, Chad, what you got for this one? Chad (35m 45s): I don't believe it. It and I'm not listening. LA LA LA LA LA LA LA. Joel (35m 49s): That's it. What did you say? That's it? That's it all right. I'm gonna dig a little deeper cause I I've apparently not consumed as much alcohol as you. Although we both have brains that are over a hundred at this point, for sure. I'm calling conspiracy theory Chad. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, two states well known for their love of beer. So if they tell the world that beer is bad for you, then voila more beer for us. It's genius. Albeit evil genius. Chad (36m 18s): Bastards. Joel (36m 19s): But seriously Chad, where did I put my keys? Who am I? What year is it? And how do I get to the nearest? You guessed it. Taco bell? Chad (36m 32s): Dude, I'm getting a beer right now. Chad and Cheese (36m 34s): We out. OUTRO (36m 35s): Thank you for listening to, what's it called? The podcast with Chad, the Cheese. Brilliant. They talk about recruiting. They talk about technology, but most of all, they talk about nothing. Just a lot of Shout Outs of people, you don't even know and yet you're listening. It's incredible. And not one word about cheese, not one cheddar, blue, nacho, pepper jack, Swiss. So many cheeses and not one word. So weird. Any hoo be sure to subscribe today on iTunes, Spotify, Google play, or wherever you listen to your podcasts, that way you won't miss an episode. OUTRO (37m 21s): And while you're at it, visit www.chadcheese.com just don't expect to find any recipes for grilled cheese. Is so weird. We out.

Are you guys seeing any kind of impact with Indeed, ZipRecruiter, some of the bigger names that are happening Marius (20m 42s): I actually, I mean, we feel like ZipRecruiter's leaning towards Indeed the same way So there's, ZipRecruiters, Indeeds and us that actually try to bring talent to companies and they are Chad (23m 1s): It sounds like your platform is very Zip-like, it's very, very ZipRecruiter-like it's Are you guys at all looking to be targeted by a company like ZipRecruiter because they need expansion

Laurano's programmatic research, Stepstone buying Appcast, a little VONQ, and where does LinkedIn, ZipRecruiter questions are, what's your perspective on Google for Jobs as you see it in the UK and Europe, LinkedIn and ZipRecruiter going public here today in the U S and I'm just curious if there, if you're hearing any rumblings about ZipRecruiter coming to Europe, so Google for Jobs, LinkedIn and ZipRecruiter?

listening to the radio, they hear 45 times a day, "Go post a job for free on Indeed, get started on ZipRecruiter So the fact that you brought up the ZipRecruiter and the email thing was interesting to me. #Indeed #PaneView #Monster #GoogleforJobs #Appcast #ATS #UX #ZipRecruiter

We throw the kitchen sink at this one. Three IPOs, five startups in rapid Buy-or-Sell, a new unicorn, LinkedIn taking on Upwork and Fiverr with its evolving gig marketplace, and the People's Champion is apparently a former Walmart employee. “F**k management, and f**k this job, I quit.” Power to the people, powered as always by our sponsors Sovren, JobAdx, and Jobvite. PODCAST TRANSCRIPTION sponsored by: Disability Solutions is your RPO partner for the disability community, from source to hire. INTRO (1s): Hide your kids! Lock the doors! You're listening to HR’s most dangerous podcast. Chad Sowash and Joel Cheeseman are here to punch the recruiting industry, right where it hurts! Complete with breaking news, brash opinion and loads of snark, buckle up boys and girls, it's time for the Chad and Cheese podcast. . Joel (21s): Oh yeah. Tim Cook says employees who leak memos do not belong at Apple, we know that because of a leaked employee memo. Hi kids! You're listening to the Chad and Cheese podcast. This is your co-host Joel "bring on the bears" Cheeseman. Chad (37s): This is Chad "Olhao. No Olhao shit. I don't know how to say it" Sowash. Joel (43s): Oh, Ohleeeeooo! This week show Adzuna is going public. LinkedIn is going freelance and Clovers is going well. Okay, we're not really sure where they're going, but we have an entire show to figure it out. Let's do this. Chad (60s): Ah, Joel (1m 1s): I'm sorry to, to pull you away from sunbathing, Chad. That's we got this show to do. Chad (1m 6s): Not a problem. Pool's only a floor away. I can jump back up there and being back in that position in no time. Joel (1m 12s): Has your liver quit yet? Has your liver like resigned? Chad (1m 16s): Not yet, but I only have a week. So I'm working on it. And also this later this weekend, going to meet with Louise Grant, if you remember from the back and the Jobgate day, she's coming down to, she come down to Portugal for the weekend and we're actually going to meet up for dinner. So good. Going to be good to see her. Joel (1m 33s): Really? Chad (1m 34s): Yeah. Joel (1m 34s): She left Jobgate last year, right? Chad (1m 37s): She did. Joel (1m 38s): And what what's she up to or is that part of the meeting? Chad (1m 40s): She's apparently bouncing around the world. We'll find out though. We'll find out. Joel (1m 44s): Okay. Sounds like a new Chad and Cheese joint might be in the works. Chad (1m 48s): Could be, could be. Joel (1m 49s): Shout out from me. If we're getting to those, if we're done with the smalltalk, we got a long shot to get through Cindy Songne she's got a new gig. She's now a SVP at Talentcare. What the hell is Talentcare? I'll go ahead and explain it as sort of an employment branding, HR tech, ATS hybrid. Chad (2m 10s): Wow. Joel (2m 11s): I miss Cindy. Chad (2m 12s): I miss Cindy too. She's awesome. Big shout outs to, she deserves more than a shout out, but to Julie Sowash it is our fifth anniversary. We've been together for 10 years. I don't know how she puts up with me. sfx (2m 26s): Applause and cheering Chad (2m 29s): Thank you, honey. I love you and Happy Anniversary. Joel (2m 32s): Wow. She's a bigger woman than every other woman in the world. In light of that. My next shout-out goes to one of my favorite eateries. Little kids voice (2m 43s): "Oh my God, I love Chipotle. Chipotle is my life" Joel (2m 46s): We talked about Taco Bell last week, introducing it subscription model for a free taco or for a taco every day. Chipotle says, hold my beer, they're introducing brisket to the menu and no one loves good brisket like I do. Chipotle big shout outs to you. I'll be there immediately after this podcast. Chad (3m 5s): No shit. Well rebounding off of that one. It's big shout out to Liz Wessel over at WayUp. She wants us to keep the food subscription and the food news coming. She went right out the Taco Bell to get her subscription right after the announcement. So Liz she's our kind of people. So she'll probably be going to Chipotle as well. Joel (3m 27s): All right, well, I'm going to keep the fast food shout outs coming to Shake Shack. One of my favorite burger joints there, they're killing their four day workweek. They say it's on pause because of COVID, but I'm betting it's never coming back until the robots start flipping the burgers! Shake Shack this one's for you and your four day work week going buh-bye. Chad (3m 51s): True. True. So this one goes out to somebody who works at my favorite pet website. It's not pets.com. She's the AD over at Chewy.com. Her name is Nicole Vinci Adamson, and she says that she learns something new, every show. And Nicole you're making me misty over here. Thanks for listening. Joel (4m 10s): She also called us a maniacal recruitment podcast, which I feel like we missed our naming opportunity for that one. Michael Yinger also was very complimentary on the socials this week. So Michael was in a firing squad episode. And if you haven't listened to that, check it out, Resume Sieve. One of my least favorite names in the world. Chad (4m 34s): Sounds like he needed a shot after that. Joel (4m 36s): Anyway, Michael said, quote, "guys, just so you know, I've gotten more connections, more congrats, more recognition, and even a lead from your show than all the others I've been on combined." Yes, our podcast can beat up your podcast. Thanks Michael. Chad (4m 54s): And another Michael, Michael O'Dell down in Nashville, he's representing talent.com. Last week we put out the two new acronyms. We've got a, you put out the RAD and I put out the CTP, the CTP, the Core Talent Platform approach. And he loves that rather than the old ATS bullshit nineties narrative that we've been pushing. So thanks, Michael. We're going to continue to do what we do and call it out where we need to. Joel (5m 22s): O'Dell is so radical. Chad (5m 24s): So RAD. Joel (5m 26s): Hey guys, we got free shit to give away. If you haven't signed up, go to Chadcheese.com. We got t-shirts from Emissary. We got beer from Adzuna and we got whiskey from Sovren. If you haven't done that, please do so. And also feel free to leave a review on your podcast platform of choice. We love getting feedback and we need more of it, I think. Chad (5m 49s): Yeah. Always need good feedback. Shout out to progress kids. The US Soccer Federation announced Tuesday that it's offering the respective players unions for the men's and women's national team the same contract proposal. The decision reflects an effort to align the two senior national teams under a single collective bargaining agreement structure. And here's the big part pay structure, women and men getting paid the same, even though in this case, the women should actually probably get paid more. Joel (6m 26s): Yeah. One team is a little bit more accomplished than the other. Chad (6m 29s): Easily. Easily. Joel (6m 31s): And speaking of teams that are doing better than others, let's get a quick fantasy football update sponsored by our friends at Poach. Chad, you lost your number one spot, but it is only week two. Chad (6m 45s): I told you it's only downhill. Joel (6m 46s): The current number one, Pete, "don't call me douchey" Suchi is now. Number one, Miss Q kicked my ass last week and is in the number two spot. Chad, your number three, still respectable. Chad (6m 60s): I got bronze. I'm good. Joel (7m 0s): You got that bronze metal. We got "Breakin Benjamins" Kunze following you. We got Chris "got Gamecocks" after that, Christie "don't call me Jackie moon" follows him. Chris, "what do you mean? I can't draft Derek Jeter" Russell is out of the bottom spot. He's happy about that. I guess he whipped your ass this week man. Chad (7m 22s): It happens. Joel (7m 24s): Bill "football" Fanning is next. And I am near the caboose, but not quite at the bottom. The bottom is awarded to Jason Vorhees Putnam this week. Wow. That's your fantasy football update. Sorry to the internationalists who watched an entirely different football, but we're Americans dammit. Chad (7m 44s): I've been watching that football the entire time I've been here and it's glorious. My last shout out goes to four new podcasts who joined the Evergreen Podcast Network and the HR channel, the Recruitment Flex, Inclusive as fuck or Inclusive AF, the Hiring Partner Perspective and last but never least Talent Rebelcast. You can check all those out at evergreenpodcast.com and we've got some cool stuff coming your way very soon. Joel (8m 15s): That's a good lineup. In addition to the firing squad, I mentioned that we also released this week, the latest European episode, which featured our friend out of Sweden Elin and the recruiting robot. If you haven't listened to that, please check it out. Chad (8m 30s): Elin took she took a bashing because there were a lot of Sweden stories that she had to defend. So yeah, she did a great job and it was great to have her on, but it was not a great week for Sweden on Chad and Cheese. Joel (8m 44s): That is true. She, she carried a carry the load for them so to speak. this week birthdays, we got Jim Lowe listener to the show. Randall Emory, you like Karstens, Betsy Norris, Ava Zills favorite storyteller on social. Kevin Plantan ERE employee, who I don't know what he's doing now, but he's a friend of the show, Kelly Robinson Katrina Kibin, my step mom Glenda Cheeseman celebrates a birthday this week. Chad (9m 15s): Nice. Joel (9m 15s): Want to give her an applause and industry icon, John Sumser closes out our birthdays of the week. And with that Chad (9m 27s): Topics! Joel (9m 30s): Adzuna! Chad (9m 32s): Hello Joel (9m 32s): Big Chad and Cheese sponsor and UK based job aggregator Adzuna is planning to list on the London stock exchange with a valuation of up to a hundred million pounds. That's around $137 million in the US this is according to a report from British newspaper the Telegraph, pretty reputable. Adzuna was founded by our friends, Andrew Hunter, and Doug Monroe who still run the show, by the way, back in 2005. They operate in 16 separate countries and connect with hundreds of job sites to list around 12 million jobs each month. Oh, and they give you guys free beer every month. You lucky bastards. So Chad is your Robinhood account about to blow up with some British stocks. Chad (10m 16s): I'd like to say probably not yet. I've also got to give some credit to the AIM group for this story as well, where I found an awesome quote. So here's the quote "Adzuna has worked as a partner with the UK government on its find a job online job board, which played a vital role during the pandemic and with the office for national statistics ONS on labor market data use to track vacancies and to monitor the impact of the pandemic on the UK economy." So these types of moves, not only are they in 16 countries, but they're providing, you know, market labor data, which is exactly what we've seen Indeed do over the years. Chad (10m 57s): So I love seeing what they're doing instead of saying a buy or sell on this, I would like to ask you, Joel, would you rather buy Zip or Adzuna and why? Joel (11m 9s): Oh, well, one has a much bigger valuation and one is on the, you know, the NYC or NASDAQ and one, I'm not even sure I can get to with my Robinhood account, but anyway, probably man, you're going to put this on me. Yeah. I probably got to go Zip just from a brand recognition play from that. But I think, you know, to me, to me, the keyword here is timing, you know, 10 million job openings in the US as well as many millions more across the globe, which Adzuna is targeting. You mentioned Zip, their IPO was obviously not a epic failure. Joel (11m 50s): It's going to lead to more and more of these IPOs, which by the way, we're talking about on show, a few of them Adzuna has been growing globally. They opened up an office here in the US a couple of years back. They're leveraging our show to get sort of brand awareness in the states. And also back in 2015, they had a crowdfunding effort that raised $2 million from 500 investors giving up about 8% of the business. So some sort of liquidity event was bound to happen at some point, I think is largely in response to this initial public offering. 2005 this is one of the quiet success stories in our industry. Joel (12m 31s): These guys both came from Gumtree, a pretty successful company back in the day. So yeah, I'm gonna watch this carefully. And I think we have a Doug hopefully scheduled to be on the European podcast. Chad (12m 45s): Yes! Joel (12m 45s): We can kind of dig into this a little more here in the future, but yeah, Adzuna congrats sponsor of the show. We're glad to see that success. Chad (12m 53s): I think Adzuna is they're already more of a global player than Zip is out of the gate. And Zip needs to be more global Adzuna also has become a global player over the years without spending millions in commercial advertising. And we've talked about brand atrophy before. Right. So instead of growing something organically like Adzuna has, you can do something artificially, like Zip has and much like much like Indeed. And I mean, they've actually spent a lot of money. Now Indeed did grow organically first, but then they started just throwing a lot of cash at it. So I think overall, who has the best foothold right now? I think it's Adzuna. I mean, I think Zip is a great organization, but I think from a gross standpoint, looking at what Adzuna has been doing and how they've rolled out, it's been more organic. Chad (13m 42s): And I think they've got more of a longterm play unless Zip starts buying footprint in other countries. Then they start leapfrogging and they start winning. Joel (13m 53s): I think you've been in Europe too long. You're starting to sound like a European cheerleader. I love it. All right. Who'd you rather split on that one? Let's get to a Sterling, background check company. Sterling Check is launching its IPO today, as we record this show, Chad. So we've got to maybe check on that at the end, if they have actually gone public, which they probably haven't. At that point, it plans to list on the NASDAQ under the symbol S T E R. The NYC based company plans to raise $300 million from the sale of 14.3 million shares of its common stock at a price range of $20 to 22 for the 12 months ended June 30th, the firm's platform booked $545 million in revenue and conducted more than 75 million searches for more than 40,000 clients. Joel (14m 43s): Assuming a successful IPO at the mid point of the proposed price range, the company's enterprise value at IPO would be approximately $2.4 billion. Chad, are you buying this one? Yeah. Chad (14m 57s): We've talked about this on several podcasts. There is money in helping people scale and doing the boring shit. And Sterling does the boring shit. It's background checks, right? And they help scale background checks, which is scaling boring shit. Nobody wants to do the boring shit. So yes, definitely. Sterling is something I would buy because it's going to continue to happen. We're going to need background checks and at probably a much higher clip than what we have over the years, just because of all the hiring that needs to happen. Yeah. Joel (15m 28s): So we talked about Checkr a few weeks ago or last week. So Checkr is funded to the tune of a $4.6 billion valuation, which makes them more valuable than Sterling, which I say poppy cock English slang is lacking. So Sterling certainly actually bought the background check company that I worked for back in 2015. They also laid me off about six months later. So take that for what it's worth, but I know a little bit about these guys and they're fricking huge, a huge company. If you believe that brand awareness has value and brands have immense value. I mean, these guys really are the apex predator in the background check business. Joel (16m 11s): And I know we talk a lot about Checkr and how sexy that is, but once you get a background check company that you're happy with, like it's hard to leave and people like these sort of trusted names, they're not going anywhere. The market and the background check businesses estimated to be a 4.2 billion as of 2020 and is forecast to reach 6.4 billion by 2028. And Sterling is going to get a big chunk of that. So I agree with you. Like, I don't talk about buying shares of stock on the show very often, but if you're looking for something that's probably going to be pretty stable for the future, something that's probably going to pay some dividends at some point, like Sterling is in a really good position to be a pretty solid public company. Joel (16m 56s): So that one is pretty interesting and should lay the groundwork for Checkr to join the public markets at some point in the future, which we will undeniable talk about on this show. Yes, Chad (17m 6s): Of course. Joel (17m 7s): So let's talk about Freshworks, our last sort of IPO player, and they actually have gone public. So Freshworks whose software competes with Salesforce and others like Zendesk and helps companies manage hiring onboarding time off employee data and HR workflows in one place went public earlier this week and saw share spike 32% at the opening of their NASDAQ debut on Wednesday, they trade under the ticker symbol, F R S H that's so fresh isn't it? Was founded in India and moved to Silicon valley to be closer to its 52,000 customers. Joel (17m 47s): Chad, is this one to buy for you? Chad (17m 49s): This is a buy because it feels like a Google shadow company to be quite Frank. Google has a lot of money in it. They obviously see, you know, somewhat of a nemesis in Salesforce. So they're actually, they're using FreshWorks as a sale or as a thorn in SalesForce's side, or they're just running this as a shadow company. You know, I'm not really sure that Google will buy them just because of there's so much antitrust shit that's going on right now. But this feels like a Google shadow company. They moved to Silicon valley because that was where all their customers were. Bullshit. That's where your fucking that's where your major fucking funder was. Joel (18m 28s): Yeah. I mean, we've talked a lot over the years about how these big platforms, this sort of tag on an HR component because they have existing relationships for sales and whatever will make a dent in services that are more focused and it doesn't seem to, to happen in most cases, vendors are integrating with greenhouse and Jobvite not so much the likes of Salesforce or Zendesk. That said, they'll still take a big chunk of business just for convenience sake. If you're running my sales operation and my everything else, why not one at HR? You know, and I think there's something also be said, you mentioned the move to Silicon Valley, but this is really to me, an Indian success story. Joel (19m 12s): And I think it's a theme that we'll be talking about for the next 10 years as China becomes a political rival, hopefully not a military rival, we're going to empower and push more capital into the world's largest democracy. They still have a huge workforce in India. And yeah, I think it, if this was buy or sell, it's certainly something I'd look at. Being a Salesforce competitor is not necessarily the best place you want to be right now. But yeah, if you know, with Google's backing it certainly is a company worth watching. Chad (19m 43s): Yes it is. Joel (19m 44s): And speaking of companies worth watching, one that we watch on the fucking show every week is LinkedIn! You mentioned AIM group on a previous story and they were hot on this one as well. Chad (19m 57s): You gotta subscribe to those guys if you haven't. Yeah, Joel (19m 59s): For sure. For sure. It's well worth the money. They're probably the best global research on all things classified in the world. And I mean that. They don't give us any money whatsoever, although they do, they give us a complimentary subscription. So we'll disclose that anyway, LinkedIn has quietly gone live with a new gigs feature called services marketplace. Access from a grid button that opens quote "more LinkedIn services on the sale on the site's navigation bar. The feature showcases LinkedIn members who have provided, who provide freelance services and who have indicated on their profile, that they are open for business. Joel (20m 40s): The marketplace focuses on 16 categories of white collar work from accounting to writing. There are plenty of pros available because it's an extension and rebranding of a pre-existing platform called LinkedIn ProFinder," which we've also talked about on the show, "it's early days, but LinkedIn is obviously going after gig platforms like Fiverr and Upwork." Thoughts Chad? Chad (21m 4s): Yeah. I love the idea and it makes sense as Fiverr and Upwork revenues and valuations have skyrocketed during the pandemic, but, and you knew there was a, but coming, LinkedIn has to get their technical house in order before launching new shit. It was, it would be great if LinkedIn upgraded their old dusty ass tech, like, oh, I don't know, making sure that matching actually works in their system, you know, jobs against your profile rather than coming up with features that are supported by afore mentioned, dusty ass tech. And then sunset months later, like Stories. To me, I don't mind the throwing shit at the wall, but when you're doing it on a not so solid foundation, it just doesn't make sense. Chad (21m 49s): Get your house in order, get your tech tight, get smarter around your data and then start to put these things out. The problem is, I see this going away unfortunately. I think it's a great idea though. Joel (22m 1s): Jazz, not a fan. Yeah. LinkedIn's track record on this kind of stuff really sucks. Remember it's ATS? No, no one does. Is it even still around? I don't know. You mentioned Stories getting killed it's live video and events product is pretty average at best. It does however, have almost a billion users. So there are buyers there and they also have pricing power, which means they can pay freelancers more of a percentage of profits and they can charge buyers less if they want to. And people will move where money is and where money can be saved. It doesn't carry fees at this point, although it certainly will at some point. Joel (22m 44s): LinkedIn reportedly intends to implement fees along with a payments tool in the future. And I also am curious about GitHub's integration potentially with something like this, GitHub, which Microsoft also owns, could value greatly from GitHub professionals in the tech space, getting into this platform, which Upwork and Fiverr currently kind of have a strong hold on. So if they can adequately integrate some of the GitHub folks into this platform, I think it has a chance. Chad (23m 16s): The GitHub folks are about as anti LinkedIn as they come, but that's oil and water. So I don't see that happening at all. If GitHub wanted to do that separately, I think they have a better chance. And it's smart. Again. I think this idea is incredibly smart, but when you're building on shaky ground, it just makes no sense. Joel (23m 36s): The only thing GitHub users love more than they hate LinkedIn is money. So if they can make some money off of this, they'll do it. And speaking of money, let's take a quick break so we can pay some bills. And when we get back, we'll do a little of your favorites buy or sell. Chad (23m 56s): Money, money, money. Joel (24m 2s): All right. Yeah. We got a bunch of fricking companies to buy or sell. A little rapid fire buy or sell. All right. Let's, let's get to Clovers, Danny Clovers. Oh, that's the wrong Clover. Danny Glover's. Clovers.ai a video interviewing platform has raised $15 million in seed funding. The tech integrates with a number of ATSs, as well as Zoom, Microsoft Teams and the like. The company said funding will be used toward product development, talent, acquisition marketing. It looks like they're staying away from automation like the ones you see in solutions like Vervo and Paradox and will be taking on the likes of Hirevue, Vid Recruiter or Willo and SparkHire. Joel (24m 42s): Chad buy or sell? Chad (24m 45s): This type of tech is popping up all over the place but I believe the difference in whether a startup like this sinks or swims comes down to experience and discipline. Clover's CEO has experienced from HireVue and Cornerstone on Demand and held has held CRO roles prior. So, you know, sales is going to be a major driver plus the SVP of sales and VP of design are both from Cornerstone On Demand. So I like the experience, the connections and those connections to cash. So for me, this is a buy. Joel (25m 25s): Yeah, the founders are interesting in the issue to your commentary. The CEO of Comparably is in there as well as the former founder I think of Cornerstone On Demand as well. So I like the jockeys that are on this horse. The pandemic has made video more important and probably is not going away. So companies are going to be looking for options on the video front that maybe they weren't before. You're going to see people who hate HireVue. And there are quite a few who are looking for new options and Clover's is gonna gobble up. A lot of those people are looking for shiny new options. Chad (25m 59s): It's gonna be cheaper than HireVue too. Joel (26m 1s): Yeah. I mean, pricing comes in there as well. They have to, I think they have to get the global piece, right. Which I think they eventually will. They really play at diversity and I'm still not convinced how video interviewing can be a diversity play, but everyone is diversity. All those things said, I liked the jockey. I liked the wave that they're surfing. I will buy Clovers as well. Well, let's get to Nomad Health, a platform that matches travel nurses with health care facilities. They announced a $63 million round of funding. This brings total funding raised at the New York based firm to more than $100 million. Joel (26m 44s): The company said the funding round comes and mid growth during the COVID 19 pandemic. No shit revenue at Nomad this year to date has already more than doubled full year 2020 revenue. It also reported the number of transaction in its marketplace has grown seven fold since the start of pandemic in February 2020, Chad buy or sell Nomad Health? Chad (27m 5s): So finding nurses, especially during and after a pandemic, that's fucking hard. So Nomad Health is incredibly focused on nurses and clinicians, and have now over a hundred million in funding with their approach of helping clinicians find more rewarding jobs all over the country. To me, we've talked about Nomad before they just received funding. I believe it was earlier this year. This is a buy all day. Niche, discipline right in my area. Joel (27m 37s): A little side note, you mentioned some of the team there at Clovers. Nomad also recently hired Jeff Simon as their VP of product. Jeff comes from Indeed where he served as head of product. So I think some good products might be coming to Nomad here in the future. A total no-brainer. The pandemic has taught us that we need nurses and we need flexibility when it comes to nurse staffing, baby boomers, aren't getting any younger and COVID apparently isn't going away. Thanks red states. This looks like the apex predator among gig platforms if you will, for nursing a super strong buy from me on Nomad Health. Chad (28m 19s): Too easy. Joel (28m 20s): Let's get to Apna. And we got a year, a unicorn alert. A Bengaluru India based company that provides an app to enable workers to connect with jobs. Announced, Chad (28m 34s): Say that again? Joel (28m 35s): Bengaluru is that what you wanted me to repeat? Chad (28m 38s): Okay. Yes. Yes. Joel (28m 39s): All right. They announced a hundred million series C round this week, the funding round values of the company at 1.1 billion US dollars. Chad (28m 47s): Hello! Joel (28m 47s): The company is still in diapers at 22 months old and is focused on blue and gray collar workers in India, helping them learn new skills and land jobs. The company claims to be India's leading professional app and was valued at just $570 million in a series B funding round in just June. Buy or sell Chad? Chad (29m 9s): A mother fucking Indian rocket ship baby. So here's the Apna ingredients to success: high and unemployment levels in India, a mobile driven society and a population of 1.3 billion. So Apna is taking the app based talent platform and making it fucking rain. This to me, baby, get out your credit card. Buy buy buy. Joel (29m 37s): Yep. Indian cities are home to hundreds of millions of low skilled workers who hail from villages in search of work. Many of them have lost their jobs because of the pandemic and they're going to cities to look for work. And Apna is perfectly positioned to take advantage of this. Billions are going to be made in India. Freshworks Smart phone penetration has finally arrived in India, which means the timing is perfect for this company. Jesus, another strong buy from me. Chad (30m 10s): I know this is like we're going on the goddamn shopping spree here. Joel (30m 14s): Yeah, yeah. Too bad. It's our money. WurkNow? Or is it WurkNow? It's W U R K now or maybe it's Work no? Anyway, Riverside, California based WurkNow, a recruitment and people management site for hourly workers has raised $10 million in a series A. Founded in 2017 the startup lets recruiters post jobs over multiple channels, attract job seekers using video and social media, tags and pulls applicants by skills, ratings, and geolocation, parses resumes for client review, and matches applicants using you guessed it a AI. More than 125,000 active hourly workers are currently using the platform Chad buy or sell? Chad (30m 59s): Love the hourly space, but hate the SMB focus on this one. This is a sell. Joel (31m 5s): I can't help, but hate this space, like you, always have. Cheap clients going out of business constantly, still putting out help wanted signs and posting on Craigslist. Staffing agencies are fickle. Platforms are tough business if you don't have the dollars and 10 million really isn't going to cut it. I'm selling WurkNow. All right. Crosschq, or is that Crosschq? CRO S S C H Q the Danville, California based Crosschq has closed a 30 million series. A round founded in 2008. Yeah. Not, not cheap. Founded in 2018 Crosschq provides pre hire, candidate assessment, and reference check services. Joel (31m 50s): It also runs a candidate referral network. Its customers include Upwork, Glassdoor and Slack. Chad buy or sell? Chad (31m 59s): I hate the fucking name just from the standpoint of a spelling. I mean, come on. If you're gonna pick a name, pick something that somebody can spell or anyway, it doesn't matter. When you're talking about again, boring ass tasks and taking them off your client's back, they're going to use the money with this to boost employees. They only have 18 employees right now to 50. Yep. And they're going to focus on go to market, marketing in sales. So from my standpoint again, if it's about scale, if it's about taking boring ass shit off of your employees, and you can scale that at the same time, it's a buy. Chad (32m 42s): I mean, this one was hard for me. They fit the criteria. Joel (32m 46s): Yeah. Yep. All right. 30 million is not chump change. They're doing something right. They have good investors. They have some great partnerships, a good integration strategy in terms of a ton of ATSes. They have good clients. Yeah. I'm going to go ahead and buy a CrossFit. I mean Crosschq. That is the end of rapid fire buy or sell big break and collect ourselves. All right, Chad Chad (33m 17s): GenZ baby. Joel (33m 18s): As far as employee resignations go one Walmart's employees decision to quit over the store's loudspeaker is certainly quality. And one of the wildest we've seen. Beth McGrath from Louisiana posted a video to her Facebook profile on Tuesday in which she can be seen in her black uniform, taking a deep breath before speaking to everyone in the store, over the PA system. She said, quote, "Attention, Walmart shoppers and associates." I'm glad that she started out as an official announcement. "My name is Beth in electronics. I've been working at Walmart for almost five years and I can say that everyone here is overworked and underpaid. Joel (33m 59s): We are treated by management and customers poorly every day. Whenever we have a problem with it, we're told that we're replaceable. I'm tired of the constant gaslighting. This company treats their elderly associates like shit." She went on to pummel management and ended the rant with quote, "fuck management and fuck this job. I quit." Beth Awesome! sfx (34m 26s): Applause Chad (34m 26s): There you go. When did take this job and shove it come out? Was it late seventies, early eighties? I can't remember this job. sfx (34m 34s): Take this job and shove it. Chad (34m 39s): This to me is the gen Z take this job and shove it. And I love now that there's more transparency where you can see these types of things happen because that's going to embolden other employees who are getting fucked and are being treated like shit. And she also said something about her manager being a pervert I think. Anyway, this is about treating your employees, right. Paying them. Right. And having more of a transparent society, even with wages. Right? So to me, I love this shit. And Beth from electronics, we got to get her on. Joel (35m 16s): Jeez. All right. Let's all right. Let's take a step back ever. So like if my kid did this, I would lose my shit. Because once you do something like this, your options for career advancement are a little bit more limited than they were before you decided to do this. I know it's a nice rally. It's a nice like. Good on you. Way to stick it to the man. But Beth McGrath now is eternally on the web. She is forever going to be searchable by future employers. And she's going to miss out on opportunities that she wouldn't have otherwise. So I'm glad for her that she got this out. I'm sure that her social media shit blew up. Joel (35m 56s): I'm sure traffic to the platforms went insane. I'm surprised that a young person did this on Facebook as opposed to something more hip. But yeah. Yeah. It's fun to talk about on a show, but for her probably not the best move in terms of her career. Chad (36m 15s): Yeah. This is 1989. Joel, when you had that job at Mr. Hero or some shit like that, this is an entirely new way of looking at jobs. And there are actually people that are out there today. I guarantee you're like, that's the kind of girl I want. She didn't just stick up for herself. She stuck up for other people, right? That's who you want. That's a leadership quality. So yeah, for an old white man, of course you don't want somebody like that, but there are plenty of people, plenty of people who want that kind of Moxie and they want that kind of care for their community to work for them. Joel (36m 52s): That's an interesting take. I'll also add that talked extensively about employees sort of ranting on other social platforms. I mean, this is a real issue for employers. And I think that they're totally sort of a blind or they've got their head in the sand about this being an issue. But social media and technology are presenting a whole new level of like employee feedback that people are. I mean, most companies are still trying to get their head around Glassdoor profiles, right? The world is so much beyond like I'm going to sit down and write, like I have time to write a negative thing about my employee or employer. Joel (37m 33s): This is way more fun. Right? Like put it on fucking TikTok, get likes and get shared and get picked up in some, you know, media publication, like that's where reviews and feedback is going. And I think companies by and large are unprepared for that. And if anything that they get from this story and the others that we've talked about is like, geez, we really got to get our head around our employees and what they're saying about us. Chad (37m 56s): It's a brand new world kids. And if you don't get your head around it, this kind of shit is going to happen. And guess what we're going to talk about it. Joel (38m 4s): As long as we never hear something about this happening at Chipotle. Chad, what is this your last week in paradise? Chad (38m 18s): Yes. I'll be back in the saddle again on US soil. And I will be a hell of a lot tanner than I was when I left. sfx (38m 25s): Oh, hell no. Joel (38m 27s): Also I'll be at a HR Tech next week If you're still listening to the show, if you're out there in Vegas, hit me up, we'll be doing stuff, come by and say hi. So next week show could be interesting. I'm on the road and you're sorta coming home. So we'll figure something out. Chad (38m 42s): We'll make it work. Joel (38m 42s): And with that, Chad and Joel (38m 45s): We out. OUTRO (39m 41s): Thank you for listening to, what's it called? The podcast with Chad, the Cheese. Brilliant. They talk about recruiting. They talk about technology, but most of all, they talk about nothing. Just a lot of Shout Outs of people, you don't even know and yet you're listening. It's incredible. And not one word about cheese, not one cheddar, blue, nacho, pepper jack, Swiss. So many cheeses and not one word. So weird. Any hoo be sure to subscribe today on iTunes, Spotify, Google play, or wherever you listen to your podcasts, that way you won't miss an episode. And while you're at it, visit www.chadcheese.com just don't expect to find any recipes for grilled cheese. Is so weird. We out.

. - Indeed says "no," while ZipRecruiter says "yes," - Amazon and Walmart are waging "Robot Wars" - People Joel: On this week's show, Crowded gets all shook up, Indeed says no, but ZipRecruiter And that would be- Chad: ZipRecruiter. Joel: ZipRecruiter. And we'll see what ZipRecruiter does. #WalMart #Amazon #Indeed #ZipRecruiter #Waymo #Uber #Ghosting

So that being said, talking about less control, can you tell us a little bit about ZipRecruiter? How do you feel about ZipRecruiter, because they have this awesome algorithm, and how do you think it So ZipRecruiter and any other sort of personalized job board, like I said earlier, these technologies But also on ZipRecruiter at least, and on some other platforms, I'm sure other folks are building this #AI #bias #Robots #MachineLearning #Netflix #ZipRecruiter

How are ZipRecruiter and Indeed adapting to the ever-evolving employment landscape during coronavirus We're hearing that ZipRecruiter is moving fast. ZipRecruiter's more on the small to medium business side, or at least from this side of the house. And with me just looking at the landscape, Indeed, ZipRecruiter, the Glassdoors, fill in whatever big #Indeed #ZipRecruiter #DeltaAirlines #Kroger #Amazon #HiringSolved #Coronavirus

ZipRecruiter, Indeed, CareerBuilder, AMS and their hourly platform.

Joel (31m 17s): Job and Talent needs to just roll the dice and by ZipRecruiter, that'll give them a footprint Lieven (31m 28s): Joel, do you have shares in ZipRecruiter? You say too often. Joel (31m 35s): Of ZipRecruiter. I am not. Chad? Lieven (31m 37s): Okay, Chad (31m 37s): No.

ZipRecruiter or LinkedIn? Well, ZipRecruiter just said, hold my beer. Joel (33m 35s): ZipRecruiter will be integrated into UFC content showcasing how job seekers in various So for all those companies looking to diversify, why would I want to go to ZipRecruiter when they are I mean, that's just, again, I could be totally wrong in ZipRecruiter.

Chad (5m 27s): Dice goes private and last but not least in his third strike Recruit buys ZipRecruiter I just want to throw it out there, outperformed ZipRecruiter by quite a bit. So number two, ZipRecruiter, acquires Vervo. what company literally needs that kind of tech and to stay competitive, the best fit I thought was ZipRecruiter Do we have an idea because ZipRecruiter, one of their, I guess Achilles' heels is the lack of global

This is a strike against ZipRecruiter because this is more focused to the SMB market.

bit of a prediction though, as I'm basically regurgitating my Intelycare commentary, my prediction is ZipRecruiter I think ZipRecruiter needs to get on the healthcare tip and buy one of these companies that are providing

ZipRecruiter has a warning and TikTokers farting in jars for fun and profit. How could it go wrong? Joel (24m 12s): All right, let's get to a ZipRecruiter. So our friend and birthday boy, Chris Russell shared the following on his blog this week, ZipRecruiter's A recent email allegedly sent by ZipRecruiter said to an underperforming publisher quote. I mean, ZipRecruiter is trying to get out of this we're for small businesses and post jobs and like these

He actually left his post at ZipRecruiter for a CRO position at Origin, which is an employee financial But yeah, I mean, I think since the ZipRecruiter IPO things are pretty curious over there and it doesn't Joel (17m 58s): Worth roughly the amount that ZipRecruiter is that we talked about earlier. Most people don't have a hesitancy to post these jobs on places like Indeed and ZipRecruiter.

ZipRecruiter filed to go public. LinkedIn is crushing the numbers. Joel (36s): On this week's show Jobbite gets jazzy, ZipRecruiter gets Zippy and JP Morgan gets second She was listening to our fear, loathing and ZipRecruiter podcast. Morgan you're making me tear up. So you give a buy rating to ZipRecruiter. So there are two things working against ZipRecruiter.

Plus, - Indeed is crushing it, - LinkedIn is teasing you with it - ZipRecruiter is mobilizing it - and Now when they use ZipRecruiter they'll be directed to submit sort of this profile/resume. #Indeed #LinkedIn #ZipRecruiter #Uber #UberWorks #Vote #Elections #Halloween