Chad (7m 25s): Good job. Joel (7m 25s): Good on you. Chad (7m 26s): Good job there, buddy. You remember Circa used to be LJN Local Job Network, a very old and stale brand. I think, I think all that is opportunity stack overflow also has a job board component to it. Instead of hoping that job seekers will stumble upon your employment branding video. So Ellie Dodi, good job. And, and keep those, keep those good vibes coming.

Early 2024, O'Brien interviews for a position at Deal, but has not offered the job. We got a 10, 10 % across the board increase. So on the jobs front, Maureen Wiley Clough (38:49.496) You Chad (39:11.068) Why are low jobs in abundance that we just heard on the last jobs report. We're losing, no, and they're losing jobs.

It just it's a horrible, horrible job. And we know that job seekers are becoming more and more equipped to automate their job seeking adventures Are we in a position where like we have no other choice but to automate because our consumer slash job So we're working to see how we can bring that in where they're simulating that actual job. types of tasks they were going to be performing on said job.

I've been doing it for about 15 years in our firm and before that had a real job. as either a senior Chad (03:50.946) Here's the thing though, and this is again a part of a leader's job is development. As a leader, it's not your job to sit around and pat them on the head. So why, why Mark, are CEOs not doing their damn job? Maybe I'll give you a decent HR leader or a decent talent leader to help with that, but your job is to

Who would've thought petty crime would lead to job creation? So instead of doing my jobs, my job or my project, I'm on LinkedIn playing a crossword puzzle or some Their job search sucks. We've talked about that pretty extensively. Stability of the platform. The app facilitates connections, job postings, and career growth. Ultimately this means more jobs.

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so what we've done, essentially we use this time to build our funnel of engineers and bring more on board First is AI is really taking jobs away from developers. And my answer is, no. staffing firms, which are only looking for small customers and they have 25 to 50 to 100 engineers on board Not to mention the automation 'cause it's not about is it going to create new jobs? Joel talked about all the AI taking jobs, blah, blah, blah.

And then outside of that, I'm the board president at ATAP, the Association of Talent Acquisition Professionals Christy Spilka: Yeah, it's definitely a part of my job that I love. 'Cause I think transparency is also really important when people are looking for jobs, they wanna know Joel Cheesman: And does the new hrjobs.icims.com site have remote or not remote in the job posting? know what the hell that is, and they don't care, because that's not something they can sell to their board

We've got the programmatic side, which is all about just helping job boards and employers get their candidates job descriptions? where we really need to go as a D&I conversation because we need to get people like you guys to be on board And if we don't get on board, it's fucking over for a long time. , entry level job, right?

Shop dust off the drawing board. Big boy, because guess what? That thing sucks. We do a pretty poor job of it. We don't do a great job. We rejection. And we got green lit by the board and here we are with our first product. I think we are one of only two board sponsored initiatives globally. I have full support and backing from the board, the ex-co and our new investors or owners.

So shout out to the green stuff and also recruiter.com launched a job board for recruiters this week. sure it wasn't, you know, 1999, but yeah, good for them, recruiters need another space to look for jobs Joel (25m 43s): Remember when Indeed was the Google for jobs? Chad (25m 46s): Yes. Joel (25m 47s): And then Google kind of became the Google for jobs. ATS, that maybe it's time to rethink the whole notion of nineties tech still being the standard for job

How can you improve your candidate experience, your career site, your job ads, XYZ, all these different So many companies are already doing a great job. So we don't always need to reinvent the wheel. So people see the JD or the job ad, which I'm working on, and they're not applying. Okay, great. Maybe not mixed paint, but talk about their job on a daily basis. Good, bad, or indifferent. It's a really heavy job. You have to be ready to lift. So that's on me.

Joel: Does that mean that we should go to regulating how many people should be on the board? I think we need to look at, like, California actually has regulated board compositions, so, well, in Shannon Lucas: We have amazing data on diversity that shows public companies that have diverse boards If I can elevate her, to me I've done my job. is going back to the numbers that you were talking about and saying, look, when we're looking for a board

That people are on TikTok, quitting their jobs live, right. Why aren't jobs searches, entertainment? We shop for entertainment. Why can't we jobs for entertainment? Why can't we do it publicly? They'll apply to any job, not your job and what you want are the people who want to work for you. That's the job. sfx (35m 43s): Applause.

Chad Sowash: People in TA because the CEOs, the entire c-suite, the, the board, they care about the bottom put 'cause they're looking for that, that stability and maybe 2025 next thing you know, we, we see job collective consciousness and a raising of that where people are saying what is my purpose and does this job Chad Sowash: Are you saying they're using chatGPT and and Bard, uh, to do these things?

I am on board. I understand authentic content is what people crave. Let's do it. They had a leader board. , how you should be optimizing those job titles. go, all that stuff systems know better because they understand, you know, job seeker behavior. But, you know, PetSmart does a really awesome job at that.

Sugandan Dinakaran: But whoever did it did a fantastic job. Chad: Don't make excuses. AI is doing a fantastic job with what it's doing right now. We can write job descriptions for you. We can write emails for you. And Daxtra does a phenomenal job of getting the candidate data, parsing, indexing and provide a unified

So when we're talking about job descriptions and we're trying to predict off of job descriptions, generally Because many of those job descriptions are just ridiculous, horrible, and they suck. We had customers who said, Hey, I put my ridiculous, horrible job description. So I went back and looked again at my job description. I mean, is it even necessary if you're doing your job the way you should be doing your job, that shouldn't

I actually apply to a job in research for this call. After you apply to a job, you get an automated email, which has a video. I think when you look at a job description, we've all been there. It sounds good. I think we do a great job at that. And I think HubSpot has done a phenomenal job of really walking the walk there.

Good job. Thumbs up. Joel (28m 33s): I think it's a thumbs down for me. I think we're going overboard on job postings, man. Like Google for Jobs does not like this stuff. Keep it simple. too fancy with job descriptions. And these jobs are gonna slowly get out of the US and go into other countries.

Ond patent for scraping job postings company called Get the Job was founded Scraping Jobs, An Indeed Even though they had this patent around scraping jobs. I don't know, we talked about the Google for Jobs AC acquiescence last week. Yeah. I think that they are doing a good job with giving little, little rewards, right? They, they should have a policy, how the board allowed this and how the management and executive team

reviews, and apply to jobs. and then via email, job seekers receive suggested jobs based on their search history. Sometimes a board member might ask about it. companies to talk about is General Motors, because they have a female CEO, a female CFO, half female board Women don't connect with job ... Nobody connects with job descriptions, but especially not women.

You know, the reality is that every board is reporting on this stuff. They have on their website, all the metrics around percentage of women at the C-suite, at the board level That kind of transparency is what creates, you know, action on the part of boards. So I'm an executive or shareholders of a company, and I say, Hey, we need someone on the board that's Now recruiter go get someone from X company to put on our board, go get someone else to put in our C

And so whether or not we cap someone's job at recruiting, Chad (12:44.101) Mm. And so for them, If we can tell them, your job is just help the people, I think they would love that Town acquisition is their job and they don't go any further than that. This idea that two out of three people not being into their jobs is normal and okay, that's crazy. And that's why a lot of people leave their jobs.

There are some companies have done a really good job of this. So I'm guessing the conversation a lot of companies have is, you know, CEO of the board says we need We have boards, we have C-suites that are very heavily white male, and they feel like they need something is to recruit somebody from their network, that they know they need to look beyond that and bring on board Which I've seen across the board for men and women and women now have become more recruitable than they

By ignoring web accessibility, you're closing the door on millions of would-be applicants to your job I would say probably anywhere between 25 and 30% of all jobs that I've applied for are inaccessible, I applied for a job with a well-known global bank. This role was accessibility specialist. Should everyone put in a job description into sites to see if they're accessible? background, for accessibility and the job isn't even accessible to be able to apply.

Jobs. Jobs. A lot of times these guys use, hey, jobs near me, nursing jobs near me, construction jobs. Because you type sales jobs or even you type Microsoft jobs or IBM jobs, the first page is always job But now Google for Jobs, every single job you publish in Google for Job, they also show up in organic

Meritocracy is, is the best person getting the job. And are some of those requirements for a job, like getting into a sales job, like you'd said before, It's at the job description, it's at the requirements. our job descriptions better. So they're boarding out their inclusion type lens on jobs, but I think there's a lot of responsibility

Joel (6m 1s): Obviously they've also just hired a chief legal officer and added a new board member. So, you know, we talk a lot about jobs being lost, you know, to ai. Like, Hey, create job descriptions with ai. So yeah, job descriptions. Their leadership looks solid and everybody wants to outsource their crappy jobs.

And so we got a great product on parsing, on searching, on matching on data enrichment APIs and jobs Gerard (8m 10s): And job feed, which is our labor market data product. Joel (8m 12s): Okay. data enrichment APIs are about, you can send any piece of text to it, so it's not just a resume or a job So we know for every job what are the typical skills that are being expected for a given job. , we're actually helping you find the job.

She'll say, "It's your job and get on it," or something. Chad: "And get it done." Yes. He has done a fantastic job of branding himself, as well as his organizations within the industry. And I guess the board gets lots of money and the top management gets lots of money. Joel: You can still quit your job and work somewhere else in Europe, right? Lieven: Of course. They arrive in Germany and the only job they are easily accepted for a free tryout is at Amazon.

JobAdX presents your jobs to targeted candidates based on their job preferences to get granular. Joel (8m 41s): He joined Bolster and joined her last week in terms of board of advisors, I believe. If they would have had like enhancement for Pokemon Go for Jobs, maybe a TikTok for Jobs, or maybe like Joel (28m 0s): Job seekers need only a browser and an internet connection to interview for jobs which All you can eat Burger King is coming to Japan with a monster burger on board. That's right kids.

Job sites. , or marking their jobs up for index into Google for Jobs." If you can do the job, you should get the job. job descriptions? Joel: The one that's like, "I just took a picture of the leadership board," or

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spent 10 years running a service company and really wanted to employ people in the inner city because jobs challenge is when that person who's experienced, who knows everything they need to know to do their job Job security isn't driven by hoarding knowledge. And that's the job. And that's the job. So tell me a little bit about that. This is how we're working and we want to be able to just get the job done.

So here's the irony is that if I spend a bunch of money to automate half your job and I'm successful Joel Cheesman: I want to go back to your breadth of the organization and the amount of stuff from the job We hear so many stories about on the job seeker side how it's a tsunami of stuff. What are you seeing in terms of what job seekers are doing and how are you combating some of the malpractice

Like if you leave your job, you can get 10% more if you just changed jobs. I think you're probably right, but I think it could have to do also with the fact that now most jobs You know, and in the case of the automation, that's working is things like a job distribution engine Are robots taking the jobs or robots making the jobs. Joel (16m 30s): HR tech? It's not a toaster. job fits this person.

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The Firing Squad survivor has added Phil Daniels as a member of its board of directors and Doug Berg Daniels currently serves on the board of Spring Buck, a healthcare company, and is also president of I understand that, but guess what if you've been on board since way back then I guaran-fucking-tee you So I think a lot of employers are going to love this model and jump on board because they're basically Women accounted for 63% of job losses between '20 and '22.

Larry (2m 24s): After I left there, I did some board work and interim gig at think at HR now Mineral, And so that focus has paid off handsomely for us and the board is delighted with the outcomes. She was our first independent board director became CEO briefly, and then I replaced her. And it is my job in partnership with our head of people. Their only job is to help the end-users use Workday better.

The article said that the number one enter into the job force right now on a monthly basis is a female Job seekers, basically all of them are open to new job opportunities. We've now jumped the gun to pre-boarding. I mentioned the pre-board, the onboard, gift packs when kids go back on campus, employee referrals, and It's become a very big job with so much scope. Who's been in the industry for more than five years?

And, you know, maybe it's not really a jobs gap. Maybe it's really a skills gap. Well, I think there's a jobs gap and a skills gap, right? I think both can be, both can be true. Where we're having kind of like a jobs gap, in let's say, for instance, hospitality. You know, some of them, you know, board members might say, well, what's our position on AI? Like, you had to have good credit, you had to have a job, you couldn't just get money for free.

we know they're from desperately poor families and they need money and we're okay with them having a job , a part-time job, but we don't wanna see them working a night shift in a meat packing factory for sure They'll take anything basically, and these jobs are illegal and they're horrible for kids. A boy from Guatemala who was just killed at a job at a slaughterhouse in Mississippi, as reported by 75,000 Kaiser Permanente workers walked off the job. That's historic.

job descriptions? Chad: ... jobs- Joel: It's going to be all over the stage. Chad: Jobs spelled backwards. the goddamn job? When Collin was elevated, I guess you could say, not stepping down, but elevated to chairman of the board Joel: ... companies to bring them on board of the competitive service.

to use computers to match people and jobs. companies that are going to make dollars much faster, margins rise, and they can report back to their boards We're already seeing automation taking jobs. seeing, we actually talked about this on last week's podcast, where an algorithm is actually taking a board than there are job seekers.

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A 23-year-old CEO and AI startup Artisan get $25 million ...and Shopify creates a world where your job Bring back jobs to the US. Bring back William & Chad (09:33.264) Yes. dude, dude. People are lucky to have a job. And somebody that they know is going to set her up with a job, but that's how that works, right? Job seekers who aren't Maureen Clough (41:51.388) Hmm. Maureen Clough (41:56.54) So with you.

All these jobs look the same. Next! Joel: Dude, the head of the penis is the job. He acquires the job. Oh man. We need to do a better job there. or twice, and if nothing else, the blueprint for this is usually, Thom will be joining the advisory board jobs are being crossed-posted to Glassdoor, and then those jobs are being listed on Google For Jobs,

Is it for the love of the job or just because they can't afford Netflix on their pensions? Chad: We have Methuselah coming back to take those jobs. But that is the company's job. John Baldino: Well, right. Chad: Right? I know there are schools that are doing a good job. That's not my point. John Baldino: We are not doing a great job of teaching people how to do HR.

An example is, if I go ahead and contact a job developer and they see, "Wow, you're working at this company take five minutes out of your life to call me and let me know you want me, not have some robot do the job can't find out how to contact me and you're a recruiter, sourcer or marketing, sales, you need a new job