Live from the Shaker Green Room, Mary Battle Broxton joined The Chad & Cheese at RecFest USA to talk AI ‘Embrace the robots, or get left in the dust,’ as Mary urges talent leaders to dive headfirst into AI Especially, let's just talk about Gen AI 'cause it seems like everybody's afraid of it. What piece of advice would you give your fellow peers about Gen AI? Chad: Generative AI in your ear. Mary Battle Broxton: Yes. Chad: So, okay.

And so, you know, them making this announcement, don't use AI when you apply to our AI company. But yeah, yeah, new guidelines by the biggest AI companies in the world. Don't use AI. Now it's going to be AI. We're going to be blaming AI. We're embracing AI. We're doing layoffs. Let's go to Converse AI, an AI recruitment startup from Seattle. We're interested with AI. love that for you, you're like, $9 a month, AI only.

They're buying AI companies. You and your AI glasses from Meta. Come on. What they are arguing is that all these AI tools that are ranking candidates, in an A like with AI they're Yeah, I don't think it's just AI. mean, you can go out and scrape data without AI and then enrich profiles are they are they AIing us?

No affiliation whatsoever to Delphi AI because, um, I just completed making an AI tool that literally AI. I also have a hard time thinking that those jobs in AI are going to thrive within a environment of AI So the AI component is interesting to me because before AI became what AI is today. So these scams and, are going to only get worse with AI. what happens when there's a bunch of AI profiles

Quincy Valencia rolls back into HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast and immediately chooses violence: AI isn’ , hey, you got any AI stuff? But what the new breed of AI is doing is actually being bought and it's being installed. And, you know, the AI is going to catch up. Well, the AI has been improving pretty rapidly.

It's just, it's just good to talk AI all day. see old friends, make some new ones. really cool things around the AI space, which is where think Zoom is ultimately going. And number three, this is about AI. Chad Sowash (25:22.36) about with AI. And if you're not gonna be hiring and you're not adopting AI, then you're gone.

I think they're done wondering, "Should I use AI? How do I use AI?" Think about it: it's people intelligence built for AI. I think that's more important now with AI, right? Not just making stuff up. And that's so critical now with AI becoming more intrusive. It's all around data, and that is what drives AI.

of jobs to pivot billions into AI development. AI can increase the productivity of our employees. AI means that we don't need as many people. You're using AI against your own population. Karp believes AI will start taking jobs soon. AI taking jobs means less jobs, needs less people. Anyways, I think AI is going to change everything, even for LinkedIn.

I want above average using AI to do the work of 20, 30, 50 people. doing AI. And if we just look at how we've all watched AI evolve over the last year, right? Jillian, we read a lot about lazy apply and AI applied. the things that I've had to be very clear on is like, I am not anti-AI at all.

And because of AI, it becomes an intricate part of the entire thing. Chad Sowash (32:07.447) asking for a six-month AI pause, was that because he was afraid of AI progressing I don't think AI is going to kill us all. That's a portfolio of companies that are hungry to use AI. They are hungry to find ways to extract ROI out of AI.

And I think this moment is so huge when it comes to AI regulation. I just wanna AI it. I just wanna AI it, Chad. I just wanna AI it. So it's literally an interview with with an AI bot, right? Your data trains the AI with no opt-in. Fairness and accountability, the AI ranks who employers see.

And if you are a public company like Workday is and you're not talking about AI, introducing AI, using AI, profiting from AI, you're gonna be left; you're gonna be left out by the market. I guarantee you, board meetings at Workday were like, "Where's our AI shit? Where's our AI? We actually bought these guys over here who understand AI, they can explain AI," et cetera, et cetera We have all the AI stuff.

Power to the People: AI is finally ending the "Candidate Black Hole." Allyn: Umm, and it really is about recruiting AI. That's how AI's gonna work. What AI, what generative AI, and what agents are really opening up for us is a first moment where I don't Agentic AI and AI that is modern.

AI is not going to replace that. So I'm never afraid that AI is going to do away with who I am. And at some point, AI's taking my order. We won't need people. Yes. On the AI capabilities we're putting in to ensure that umm, that... This next one is talking about AI fraud. Fake applicants, AI fatigue and HR ROI. That's right. Fan favorite.

My shout out is to AI Beer. And the AI parts will become more important. They've been working with AI, right? And now they've been working with generative AI for years now. It's not having AI, because everybody's going to have AI. That's going to be the commodity. Why should it be touched by AI? Chad Sowash (35:18.537) Alright kids.

Provenbase, the AI powered. It's gonna change the world, solve every problem, AI recruiting tool. 80 comments later, I did an analysis using AI, 45 different new tools. Anybody that knew AI well enough was like, that does that. So in case you wonder, Eightfold makes AI, everybody drink AI, that reads job applications and guesses

We can go to AI and it'll create it for us. Joel Cheesman (20:41.96) So there's a lot of things going on. think AI, AI, AI is putting a lot of pressure But the longer term engagements, AI is not gonna be able to do. This was not the promise of AI Chad. What are your thoughts? Plus, in some cases, it's not even AI.

And I think with AI, we're going to have a very similar reaction. That's what I think about when I think about AI. We're massively automating everything with AI. Chad (14:13.512) That was all AI kids. Google's new VO3, AI avatars are fucking wild. Now it's being completely built with AI. No developer needed. The problem is they're talking about conversational AI.

the R &D phase of how we use AI and so on and so forth. And I see so much AI slop like on Instagram and on TikTok already. It's literally just an AI fluffer for God's sakes. support both traditional and AI-powered job discovery. interestingly, quickly with AI.

And, the AI story, continues. Chad Sowash (08:49.142) Yeah. So it's not just a vehicle to perform layoffs through the guise of AI. Joel Cheesman (20:55.468) Yeah. the, AI phenomenon, the AI trend has given a lot of smoke and cloud cover Number one, point number one, AI innovation. The AI watched and learned from millions of people prompting and now the AI prompts better than humans

Waves: Spotlights AI hiring tech from SonicJobs and Hackajob's Archer agent, a nod to Hung Lee's U.S. Because companies are hungry for getting ROI out of AI. The new EU AI Act is going to hit hard. Also, AI is going to monitor everything you do at work. I'm a massive fan of AI, but I don't want it to be totally automated.

Chad (15:50.453) AI. what does that stand for? If you say AI, people jump. But now you have to say agents. AI was last year. continent's latest AI unicorn. Parloa specializes in, wait for it, agentic AI, offering an AI agent management platform that enables And these voice AI systems can help.

Julia breaks down: Why today’s tech landscape is more confusing than a job board dressed up as “AI-powered by the size of their booth) What students really  need to land internships in a volatile market Why AI-to-AI to filter out candidates and candidates are now using AI to apply to hundreds of jobs at once. So now we've got AI talking with AI. So that'll be an interesting lens to put on it in the future. Julia Levy (27:35.564) I don't know the time because I feel like AI is moving so quickly.

It’s AI’s new playground. It gets worse before it gets better, I think AI, I am optimistic AI is gonna create an incredible amount If you have kids, you have kids, let them know like, is AI going to take this or how can AI help you Let AI be the staff. Joel Cheesman (40:46.668) You can still get that on AI.

Chad (19:00.416) Open AI, their newest models are leaving Meta's llama for in the AI dust. mean, have So Meta is sounding the AI alarm in an effort to try and catch up. And then they took Scale AI CEO Alexander Wang into meta. So if you're not good with AI at the moment, get good. actually talking to an AI clone of him.

tech past her terrified legal team by calling it "automated scheduling" instead of using the scary "AI We didn't use the word AI, 'cause we knew that was a bad word. They say no to AI, and they also say no every time I try to check into a Ritz-Carlton. or not AI, or we don't talk about AI to our people... 0:14:33.5 Meghan Rhatigan: Yeah. 0:14:35.0 Chad They're looking for AI, not AI, but just something that helps, that provides solutions.

We're gonna be talking about AI. and ready for AI. Well, she talked to her AI boyfriend more than she did her fiance. It all comes together when we're taking a look at AI. , AI, boyfriends.

They have big name backers and AI is the center point of their system. million, to the recruitment AI space. It was read by AI and AI is going to tell the powers that be whether you could still have a job or not by an AI? Like we're just going to outsource firing people, based on what AI says.

AI has already progressed past the need for a prompt engineer job to even exist. People got used to the new way of thinking, using AI, cetera. If I compare AI tools to my current colleagues, I think AI is polite, AI is patient, it's far more intelligent Lieven (45:20.125) It does the work, I take the credit, AI doesn't complain. I like AI.

and responsible AI being so critical and wanting to go focus on that. They're an AI compliance firm for HR tech companies. There's so much AI and non-AI, just all this technology that's out there in the hiring process. Chad (36:16.917) take a biased assessment and train AI or create a bias process and train AI. And one other thing is I wonder how much of this actually is like AI. know that AI is such a buzzword

AI interviews are here, and they suck. Like we're an AI first company. So here we are AI. I'm not sure what to make of it. What says you? You've got hundreds of people that are training the AI and then the AI gets smarter. But this only works in my opinion for Klarna because they are an AI first AI workplace story. at the end of the video, they talk all about how AI we're an AI first company.

Julie Sowash, executive director of Disability Solutions, braved Chad & Cheese’s snark-fest to talk AI I'm here because I am presenting tomorrow on ethical considerations in AI, on Friday after everybody Is some of this the focus or some of it sounds like AI in recruiting and bias around that? What are some of the key components of ethical considerations in AI? I'll say knee jerk again, but that's probably not the right word is companies going, we cannot use AI

With a mix of social media marketing, automation, SMS and lots more, like - of course - an AI writing

Will AI Kill Capitalism? Jack and Jill's AI in hours instead of days. % of cloud AI environments. AI hacking, AI breaching, Whatever happened to AI curing cancer? I think the era of AI is going to change that.

We also talk a lot about AI, and AI's role in the world, world of work, how people adapt to that. Joel Cheesman (34:12.031) How do you view AI? Give us your take on AI and women in the workforce. doctors. so AI is like, you have to take it with a grain of salt. So there are so many ways in which AI is a useful tool.

And they, talked about job search and AI's impact. They went AI. Now they fired all their AI people. They're using AI to screen. They're using AI me. Why can't I use AI back? So we'll need AI to defend ourselves from their AI. I think they're going to be forced to get better at the AI itself.

either figure out how to use the AI or you're out the door. And there is a lot of... resistance to AI adoption. So only 32 % of US employers would consider candidates over age 60 for AI focused or AI adjacent roles So now, instead of, you're being fired because of AI. That AI can't do it, right? That is not cheaper.

using social media to reach underrepresented talent, though she’s quick to throw a little shade at AI Chad: I think it's refreshing that I haven't heard AI once out of her mouth. What do you think, especially moving forward in 2025, are you currently using AI? Because we wanna make sure the AI is not impacting, making an adverse impact in our candidate pool. So, we've not embedded AI into our recruitment and selection process.

Sovren makes the world's best resume CV parser, but did you know that Sovren also makes the world's best AI Only Sovren's AI matching engine goes beyond the buzzwords. And, and I think he gets an applause on this because we saw AI move the needle from black box and to Would you spend it as an AI? Tim (27m 49s): Part of it's programmatic built-in right. Results driven by AI. Connections built by humans.

Joel: This is the dark side of AI. AI, profiting from AI, You're gonna be left out by the market. I guarantee board meetings at Workday were like, where's our AI shit? Where's our AI? We need AI. We actually bought these guys over here who understand AI. They can explain AI, etcetera, etcetera. We have all the AI stuff.

I think a lot of this was AI driven. think that success factors is not an AI trendsetter whatsoever. to be AI focused. They want to flock to AI cool video stuff. We know that Microsoft is in bed with open AI. The Chad (36:05.667) Mm-hmm. Companies are going to get scared to use AI tools. Yeah.

Podcast, Chad & Cheese sit down with attorney Rachel Dempsey to break down the Eightfold lawsuit where AI hiring, billion-point data claims, and “ethical AI” marketing collide with actual law and common sense AI vendors sweating behind the pitch decks. I mean, that's a real existential threat to any AI company, I would think. It's my understanding they are looking into these AI companies and these AI hiring platforms.

In this episode of the Chad & Cheese Podcast's AI Series, hosts Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman sit down Tune in to discover how on-demand AI interviewing agents, fraud detection, and candidate coaching are PART 2 - CAN AI INTERVIEW CANDIDATES BETTER? AI's going to take the—what's the job going to look like? This is the AI Series. We out. Chad Sowash: We out. Outro Voiceover: Wow, look at you.

Next up: AI in recruitment and marketing. They are the company that is creating AI, workers. Joel (14:42.752) Han Migo and the AI in the classroom trend. All that AI and that data comes in. Chad (18:07.948) So. But to me, AI is not slowing down, it's consumed faster.

The AI is great. I have conversations with the with the AI. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously, AI continues to be strong. You used to apply to a job, there was no AI. And now it's like, Maureen Wiley Clough (40:31.432) Yeah, AI is always the answer to AI issues. They're like they're like the AI thing's real.

PODCAST TRANSCRIPTION (blame errors on AI) Joel (00:24.706) OHHHH YEEEEEEEAHHHH! What's AI going to, should I look for a new line of work? And everybody trying to make sense of how AI is gonna change the world. around forever being text kernel and they are deeply steeped in AI. Like a fully tech enabled, AI enabled and recruitment process will be common.

They talk about everything from rebranding beyond "the people who fix your flat tires" to how AI is shaking It's like AI took off, ChatGPT took off, some people ran, didn't realize there was bias incorporated about it is if you look at a lot of the vendors that are even here, most of their platforms utilize AI Darnell Hill: It's gonna center a lot around AI, right? The AI is good about doing assessments.

, like real AI, not the fake one. Joel (05:34.262) And when you say open AI, mean just the company name. So open AI could be target. could be Microsoft. In a generative AI driven world, you can just do zero short calls, right? It's not as glamorous as generative AI for sure.

One thing you haven't said AI. Kristen Boyle: I'm jaded. I've been at an AI company. Really exciting roadmap of AI to come. The secret sauce of any AI platform is data. Kristen Boyle: That's right. I think AI can help. Chad: Thank you. Kristen Boyle: Right. You have to be. I think AI can certainly help facilitate getting to the layoffs, right?

And guess who is joining us on stage to talk about AI, Joel? And thinking that open AI is coming after parsing and skills matching. Chad Sowash (28:05.97) So AI is a big topic, compliance is a big business, an AI compliance company, And I don't see that changing because of AI. Chad Sowash (47:41.49) Check out talktosam .ai.