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Efficiency The Art of the Polite Poach The AI Wishlist > "In this industry, you know to a tee when We are now looking into AI and see what it can bring to the table. And how do you treat that in juxtaposition with the AI component? And used AI to pretty much produce an entire analysis of the entire funnel. Uh-huh. This is the AI series and we out.

And, the AI story, continues. Chad Sowash (08:49.142) Yeah. So it's not just a vehicle to perform layoffs through the guise of AI. Joel Cheesman (20:55.468) Yeah. the, AI phenomenon, the AI trend has given a lot of smoke and cloud cover Number one, point number one, AI innovation. The AI watched and learned from millions of people prompting and now the AI prompts better than humans

It’s AI’s new playground. It gets worse before it gets better, I think AI, I am optimistic AI is gonna create an incredible amount If you have kids, you have kids, let them know like, is AI going to take this or how can AI help you Let AI be the staff. Joel Cheesman (40:46.668) You can still get that on AI.

Julia breaks down: Why today’s tech landscape is more confusing than a job board dressed up as “AI-powered by the size of their booth) What students really  need to land internships in a volatile market Why AI-to-AI to filter out candidates and candidates are now using AI to apply to hundreds of jobs at once. So now we've got AI talking with AI. So that'll be an interesting lens to put on it in the future. Julia Levy (27:35.564) I don't know the time because I feel like AI is moving so quickly.

the R &D phase of how we use AI and so on and so forth. And I see so much AI slop like on Instagram and on TikTok already. It's literally just an AI fluffer for God's sakes. support both traditional and AI-powered job discovery. interestingly, quickly with AI.

Chad (19:00.416) Open AI, their newest models are leaving Meta's llama for in the AI dust. mean, have So Meta is sounding the AI alarm in an effort to try and catch up. And then they took Scale AI CEO Alexander Wang into meta. So if you're not good with AI at the moment, get good. actually talking to an AI clone of him.

We're gonna be talking about AI. and ready for AI. Well, she talked to her AI boyfriend more than she did her fiance. It all comes together when we're taking a look at AI. , AI, boyfriends.

tech past her terrified legal team by calling it "automated scheduling" instead of using the scary "AI We didn't use the word AI, 'cause we knew that was a bad word. They say no to AI, and they also say no every time I try to check into a Ritz-Carlton. or not AI, or we don't talk about AI to our people... 0:14:33.5 Meghan Rhatigan: Yeah. 0:14:35.0 Chad They're looking for AI, not AI, but just something that helps, that provides solutions.

With a mix of social media marketing, automation, SMS and lots more, like - of course - an AI writing

They have big name backers and AI is the center point of their system. million, to the recruitment AI space. It was read by AI and AI is going to tell the powers that be whether you could still have a job or not by an AI? Like we're just going to outsource firing people, based on what AI says.

AI has already progressed past the need for a prompt engineer job to even exist. People got used to the new way of thinking, using AI, cetera. If I compare AI tools to my current colleagues, I think AI is polite, AI is patient, it's far more intelligent Lieven (45:20.125) It does the work, I take the credit, AI doesn't complain. I like AI.

and responsible AI being so critical and wanting to go focus on that. They're an AI compliance firm for HR tech companies. There's so much AI and non-AI, just all this technology that's out there in the hiring process. Chad (36:16.917) take a biased assessment and train AI or create a bias process and train AI. And one other thing is I wonder how much of this actually is like AI. know that AI is such a buzzword

Julie Sowash, executive director of Disability Solutions, braved Chad & Cheese’s snark-fest to talk AI I'm here because I am presenting tomorrow on ethical considerations in AI, on Friday after everybody Is some of this the focus or some of it sounds like AI in recruiting and bias around that? What are some of the key components of ethical considerations in AI? I'll say knee jerk again, but that's probably not the right word is companies going, we cannot use AI

AI interviews are here, and they suck. Like we're an AI first company. So here we are AI. I'm not sure what to make of it. What says you? You've got hundreds of people that are training the AI and then the AI gets smarter. But this only works in my opinion for Klarna because they are an AI first AI workplace story. at the end of the video, they talk all about how AI we're an AI first company.

Joel: This is the dark side of AI. AI, profiting from AI, You're gonna be left out by the market. I guarantee board meetings at Workday were like, where's our AI shit? Where's our AI? We need AI. We actually bought these guys over here who understand AI. They can explain AI, etcetera, etcetera. We have all the AI stuff.

using social media to reach underrepresented talent, though she’s quick to throw a little shade at AI Chad: I think it's refreshing that I haven't heard AI once out of her mouth. What do you think, especially moving forward in 2025, are you currently using AI? Because we wanna make sure the AI is not impacting, making an adverse impact in our candidate pool. So, we've not embedded AI into our recruitment and selection process.

either figure out how to use the AI or you're out the door. And there is a lot of... resistance to AI adoption. So only 32 % of US employers would consider candidates over age 60 for AI focused or AI adjacent roles So now, instead of, you're being fired because of AI. That AI can't do it, right? That is not cheaper.

We also talk a lot about AI, and AI's role in the world, world of work, how people adapt to that. Joel Cheesman (34:12.031) How do you view AI? Give us your take on AI and women in the workforce. doctors. so AI is like, you have to take it with a grain of salt. So there are so many ways in which AI is a useful tool.

Will AI Kill Capitalism? Jack and Jill's AI in hours instead of days. % of cloud AI environments. AI hacking, AI breaching, Whatever happened to AI curing cancer? I think the era of AI is going to change that.

And they, talked about job search and AI's impact. They went AI. Now they fired all their AI people. They're using AI to screen. They're using AI me. Why can't I use AI back? So we'll need AI to defend ourselves from their AI. I think they're going to be forced to get better at the AI itself.

I think a lot of this was AI driven. think that success factors is not an AI trendsetter whatsoever. to be AI focused. They want to flock to AI cool video stuff. We know that Microsoft is in bed with open AI. The Chad (36:05.667) Mm-hmm. Companies are going to get scared to use AI tools. Yeah.

Podcast, Chad & Cheese sit down with attorney Rachel Dempsey to break down the Eightfold lawsuit where AI hiring, billion-point data claims, and “ethical AI” marketing collide with actual law and common sense AI vendors sweating behind the pitch decks. I mean, that's a real existential threat to any AI company, I would think. It's my understanding they are looking into these AI companies and these AI hiring platforms.

Next up: AI in recruitment and marketing. They are the company that is creating AI, workers. Joel (14:42.752) Han Migo and the AI in the classroom trend. All that AI and that data comes in. Chad (18:07.948) So. But to me, AI is not slowing down, it's consumed faster.

One thing you haven't said AI. Kristen Boyle: I'm jaded. I've been at an AI company. Really exciting roadmap of AI to come. The secret sauce of any AI platform is data. Kristen Boyle: That's right. I think AI can help. Chad: Thank you. Kristen Boyle: Right. You have to be. I think AI can certainly help facilitate getting to the layoffs, right?

PODCAST TRANSCRIPTION (blame errors on AI) Joel (00:24.706) OHHHH YEEEEEEEAHHHH! What's AI going to, should I look for a new line of work? And everybody trying to make sense of how AI is gonna change the world. around forever being text kernel and they are deeply steeped in AI. Like a fully tech enabled, AI enabled and recruitment process will be common.

And guess who is joining us on stage to talk about AI, Joel? And thinking that open AI is coming after parsing and skills matching. Chad Sowash (28:05.97) So AI is a big topic, compliance is a big business, an AI compliance company, And I don't see that changing because of AI. Chad Sowash (47:41.49) Check out talktosam .ai.

They talk about everything from rebranding beyond "the people who fix your flat tires" to how AI is shaking It's like AI took off, ChatGPT took off, some people ran, didn't realize there was bias incorporated about it is if you look at a lot of the vendors that are even here, most of their platforms utilize AI Darnell Hill: It's gonna center a lot around AI, right? The AI is good about doing assessments.

, like real AI, not the fake one. Joel (05:34.262) And when you say open AI, mean just the company name. So open AI could be target. could be Microsoft. In a generative AI driven world, you can just do zero short calls, right? It's not as glamorous as generative AI for sure.

Joel: And on this week's show, AI, DEI, LinkedIn better watch its back. input is needed for AI created art to be copyrighted. and how do I do stuff with AI that no other creative can do? If you won't lose your job to AI, you'll lose your job to someone that understands AI. And yes, you can call it automation over AI, but they don't...

Joel Cheesman (00:49.246) and AI gets naughty. Everyone currently is enamored with AI. Chad (30:38.892) Associate AI with your big ass brand and name. Open AI that have raised so much money and they don't go public. All the other AI companies want some of that juice. Right?

AI tools everywhere. Real results nowhere? Cheese Podcast , Joel and Chad welcome Alexis Meschi, co-founder of Ora Marketing, to cut through the AI So we'll get into sort of buying AI and cutting through that clutter, but I'm curious. Uh, not all AI is created equal. Um, and, and you have some really good tips on. So it's like all of this, you know, AI slop that's out there.

not just staffing—oh no—they're matchmaking you with your dream job and  your future ex-husband using AI The gang throws elbows at startups chasing AI clout like it’s 2016 crypto. I think the new AI stuff is pretty interesting. Think about Paradox or any other kind of conversational AI. That's language that we're very familiar with in the conversational AI space.

It's the era of AI and if this company can't make it happen in AI when it's an AI first company, like guessed it, AI. And in this corner, We have Take Two AI. Chad (25:27.297) Well, I'm going to start off with Take Two AI. Um, my thing with sales is the trend of AI AIing.

However, new products come with risks and we've heard a lot about AI being biased. What are you doing in regards to AI and keeping yourself safe? Ana White (36:51.499) Yeah, yeah, I'm a huge fan of AI. , we have an AI committee that we look at the ground rules and all of that. And so they've done a lot of this research around AI and bias and things like that.

introduction of AI. And most of them are, you know, AI powered or claiming to be AI powered as well. that are AI powered. And we are in the midst at the moment of obviously developing AI, like I mentioned, but the AI that we So an AI transcript is obviously much better.

off workers and  hoarding power like Gollum with a LinkedIn account 🔹 Why optimizing your resume for AI We've got AI that are pushing, again, more white collar people out. Which probably wasn't AI in the first place. We just had a long discussion about you using AI, right? Chad (23:37.655) even before AI. Katherine Watt (23:41.021) Now.

And AI Accents. Yes, no, that's it. AI Accents. You're gonna love this show, kids. Let's do this. Emi Beredugo (30:54.064) AI. AI is not doing the heavy lifting right now. It's not happening. And what you have now is this do I really wanna post a job when I know that AI resumes and AI bots are Like the AI isn't where it needs to be, but it will get there.

PODCAST TRANSCRIPTION (blame AI for errors) Chad Sowash (00:24.097) Yeah. So, on today's show, a staffing expert predicts doomsday McDonald's backs out of AI. Cause I look, I think how you add on these AI tools and integrate is huge. But like a small McDonald's AI, AI business. Now, this is... There's no way that McDonald's, the burger place, is gonna be doing AI.

discussion on the role of AI in the workplace. I don't know why they call it an AI co -pilot, but that's what I call it. And, you know, I like the use of AI helping employees as co -pilots. Quote, today Lattice is making AI history. And are you now putting real people against AI people and the AI people performance is so much better

We found a company and a team, Clevy, which they've been in the AI conversational, AI, HR space for the And then third thing is, it plays into this trend of AI. Sean Behr: Lots of podcast air being spent on AI and generative AI and large language models, but there And part of Fountain AI was conversational AI, ChatBot, whatever you wanna call it. Joel Cheeseman: AI ChadCheese. Sean Behr: That's right.

Paylocity’s Grayscale Grab: Paylocity acquires Grayscale, moving from simple SMS nudges to "AI agents Will AI finally flatten the org chart, or is money the only "honest signal" left in a world of spin? Record another season of the AI sessions, kids. That's right. The AI sessions are going to be, they're still going strong. Is it going to be this AI that you train?

It's AI in HR, literally spells hair. Seven years ago, started up my own AI automation agency. So mathematically forces AI to start prioritizing past visibility. So like the top 1 % goes into the AI prompt to serve up content in front of you. Joel Cheesman (14:32.798) How much of a black box is LinkedIn's AI?

.🧠 OutSolve’s Jeremy Mancheski joins the show to: Decode the alphabet soup of I-9s, DEI, and AI Laugh Obviously AI is changing everything, remote hybrid work. What's coming down the pike? Go back even a year and AI was the hugest rage. I think we saw AI recruiting early on that was deemed in some instances even discriminatory. So yes, AI. Hybrid workspaces.

Covey are the makers of custom AI agents. The Chad (28:59.981) AI is propping up the market. Yeah, it is. People were getting money just because they had AI and that case it was a.com in this case it's AI. mean That's a human problem, not an AI problem. Chad, are you a buyer sell on Darwin AI?

They dive into the impact of AI on businesses, the revolution in talent management, and the evolution on AI for many years before this generative AI revolution. powerful with AI support. So I'm gonna become an AI trainer personally. I'm gonna train the AI. As any kind of individual contributing, we're all gonna be working with AI.

Chad: So AI wasn't mentioned at all. believe that AI... However, layoffs are in the news as well as AI. So, hey, AI to the rescue. [laughter] Joel: Or the AI will know what you like.

“Responsible AI”? Cool story, bro. Still might be illegal. Trickle-down AI economics, anyone? JT ODonnell (18:54.999) We've run out of the AI excuse. Like they are using AI to collect all of this data on us. Another one, quote, AI in TA tech is becoming foundational.

AI is also, you know, every single booth at every trade show has AI on it. They used AI to scrape and look at all the resumes. So, so I mean, Gen AI isn't worth the damn letters for God's sakes. I have an AI background too, but some interesting things are happening. Like we use AI correctly, it allows us to be better human beings.

She's a critic voice about AI and jobs. It's everyone's AI, everyone's wearing sunglasses. AI boat. The wages are eroding, the salaries because of mostly AI. Lieven: People will actually use AI agencies to optimize their presence within AI.

Chad: Joel, that's AI putting the human back in HR. AI is here, so employer branding is dead, right? And he didn't mention people are being replaced by AI. AI by the way. The false statement when AI started becoming big, that some companies were like, we got AI, we don't