But Facebook and Indeed are looking for ways ... Indeed used to do. Indeed used to just go to career centers and get every single job. Indeed is like, you guys know Monster Worldwide, Indeed is like 20 years back Monster Worldwide. Everyone goes to Indeed, the revenues are going up. have the same number of jobs Indeed has, the only company that has this technology, what Indeed has is

But I, you know, crazy as it is, most of the talent that we do recruit comes from Indeed and Handshake really aiming to attract, we have found that about 70% of our candidates, even if they do apply through Indeed Joel Cheesman: Okay, so you're getting a lot of success with Handshake, Indeed, some other channels. And that's still on your Indeed postings.

Or are you linked in my ATS then deliver through Indeed? Alex: Actually what we do is with Indeed Apply, and the most commonly used way that Indeed Apply is They productize it, call it Indeed Apply. logged in, you've got a CV that's on Indeed. And you answer the questions inside of the Indeed Apply format on Indeed.

Is Indeed really that far ahead? Who is afraid of Google for Jobs? And I went through the same process and I think that's what I learned at Indeed. In addition to taking away Indeed secret sauce of getting organic traffic from Google. So in that case, yes, the visibility goes down from Indeed but I think if I was Indeed I would just step People don't have to go find indeed through Google.

Indeed was a way to search that appealed to younger folks, you know, 15 years ago. Indeed is bigger than it was. Chad (26m 19s): Total of 82.2 million Glint's trying to be the Indeed of APAC. Chad (28m 27s): Not to mention Indeed might just buy these guys. We wonder why LinkedIn can't dethrone Indeed? Chad (37m 39s): Yes.

Hannah Peet (02:47.962) Indeed. Chad (02:55.138) Do my best, do my best. and all their applicants go through Indeed and tracking them there or LinkedIn is enough. And it just comes with using Indeed. that you're partnering with systems they're already using so they wouldn't... duplicate on my link indeed And just going back to your point about Indeed, what we would also be doing is looking at a partner's

sharing her six-week tenure at HireRoad and her rich history in HR tech with companies like Amazon and Indeed Previously I was at Panda Logic before that, at Amazon advertising at Indeed. So... Joel: Indeed The Death Star. Kristen Boyle: The Death Star. Joel: How long were you there? Joel: But to go from Indeed where everyone returns your call, everyone knows who you are. Kristen Boyle: After Indeed and Amazon, I'm taking myself out of the Super Bowl.

in getting in front of them is making sure that we're meeting them where they are in terms of like Indeed Joel Cheesman: So, Indeed is the primary driver. And so Diana, my counterpart, she really handles that part, and she really feels like Indeed is probably really micromanaged by a manager because here's your jobs for the day and you get to go out and kind of independently

Chad Sowash (26:36.984) So indeed made an announcement, big announcement. Matt Fischer (27:10.544) Yeah, I think that's the reality, you, it's just park on Indeed for a second Indeed or not, right? And fundamentally, that's the tech that indeed is going to be using on their own, right? So I view Indeed as one, there will be more and our customers, they got to continue to evolve and we

I've been putting social shit about indeed. I should have just been recording my lunches. Indeed, Zipper, Kidder and AppCast are on my naughty list for not already injecting cost per qualified But fast forward to today, indeed, Zippercruter and AppCast are happily talking about quality. So indeed, ZipRecruiter and AppCast have a choice. Chad (39:41.56) Why is indeed AppCast and ZipRecruiter on my naughty list?

Lieven: Love you some Hilke indeed. Chad: Love me some Hilke and some AI. [music] SFX: Topics. Being able to just focus on PPC as we saw, Indeed tried to get a pay-per-application and pay-per-start Joel: That could happen, but it's probably not going to happen out of Indeed. But indeed, if you hire 30 people, it goes fast. They're falling into the same trap of Indeed, ZipRecruiter.

So you weren't really around when the Indeed phenomenon happened, but you were around when Google became Indeed was there, uh, indeed, uh, I think, uh... 0:31:32.5 Joel Cheesman: '04 maybe. 0:31:33.4 Jeff Taylor : '04, uh, and Indeed was coming around all the job boards saying, "We will, umm, take your jobs for And there was a big buzz inside Monster that we can get the distribution from this thing called Indeed What impacts, in talking about threats, to me, Google was as much of a threat to your business as Indeed

The piece in the middle, the monsters, the career builders, the indeed's today, they're the ones that Joel Cheesman (14:20.706) mean, my take is 80 % of a budget goes to LinkedIn or Indeed, at least here We saw that with CareerBuilder, but indeed, smash them, right? And as you say, like in the beginning, you said 80 % of the traffic is coming from Indeed. We want to equip this 20 % with the right tools and knowledge so Indeed finally stops the ancientification

Rika Coppens: Indeed. Rika Coppens: Innovation, obviously, also we help them with administrative processes and support, but indeed Indeed, that's how we started NOWJOBS. So it's indeed, it's about education. And indeed telling someone like, we know what your next step should be.

go from their clients to Indeed. and that money goes into Appcast instead of directly to Indeed. Are the Germans outflanking the Indeed Army? That's the question. Is Axel Springer coming out? And we have been giving Stepstone shit this entire time and they might be outflanking Indeed. That's my answer to your Indeed question. Chad: Wow.

This is almost an Indeed free show, kid. So this is very special. But five years ago, we recorded an episode with Dennis entitled Indeed Conspiracy Theories, where his first prediction was indeed pivoting to staffing. We've talked about zip recruiters earnings, indeed's earnings, et cetera. So for indeed, this is bad news.

Zip recorded its second net loss in three quarters, while competitors like Indeed are reporting gains on recruit holdings write a check write a check bring them in the fold zip recruiter glass door and indeed What's funny about this is indeed try so hard to be like the Marvel heroes, the Avengers of diversity Yeah, I think, well, it's that and thanks so much, Mo, for taking Indeed, so I didn't have to, but I So don't listen to Indeed and their 18 to 25 year olds who are writing content over there who got caught

We tried to, like, put on both sides likewise markets and decided, "Okay, this market's staying on Indeed And, like, where we fell wrong, like, we couldn't necessarily compare apples to apples because Indeed Like, here's where we were before the support, even without Indeed, and here's where we are now as far You know, Indeed hit up easy, like, Indeed had that Easy Apply right around then, so people could literally

And, um, one of the things I would never post our Monster jobs on Indeed, and, uh, I was adamant about And as Indeed was starting to give away free jobs, it became obvious that it could be distribution for But I always thought that Indeed had 20 or 30,000 jobs and they would bring Monster's million jobs and Them and Indeed are really the winners right now. 0:09:50.0 Jeff Taylor: Well... But it's so... Taylor: Right. 0:14:21.5 Chad Sowash: And then we have a new winner coming out of the other side being Indeed

Indeed launched with saying they were the Google for jobs. And apparently Indeed believes that. That's not the case. So Indeed is getting Indeed by Google when they know Indeeding like nobody else. So they don't want to get Indeeded. Chad: They don't want to be Indeeded. Okay. For a lot of people, it'll be Indeed.

sure they're calling all of them to get those budgets switched over and with all the fuck ups that Indeed That's the problem they should be solving for that Indeed is not solving for. We're seeing that now Indeed is all over the fucking place, it's almost like vendors are fat and happy just drafting off of indeed. At the end of the day, a brand matters, and Indeed early on got all their traffic from search SEO, and

manage your X with a sense of urgency, and quit giving up so easily just because you can't find them on Indeed Michael Goldberg: Indeed. Chad: They could be sourcing from... Joel: I see what you did there with the Indeed comment. Chad: LinkedIn... Indeed and LinkedIn, they're finite sets of information.

Alex: I think Indeed is ... Chad: That sounds like the Indeed way. Indeed, Neuvoo, Facebook. , which is Indeed Apply. That's in part because, for example Indeed, Indeed looks at, with their quality search team, what the

We saw Indeed require pay range. Chad: Or they inserted it. Joel: And look, we give Indeed a hard time almost every week. Chad: So, question, do you think Indeed would've done that without all of the states making those...

It remains to be seen how this merger will impact the job board industry and the competition with Indeed It's not a saver for Indeed and LinkedIn. We've been talking about Indeed getting into staffing, recruit holdings obviously, and Ron Stott is a Wouldn't it seem like they like reviving Monster to maybe stick it to Indeed? Similar to how Indeed postings are on Simply Hired, you're gonna see cross posting.

It’s back to the future, as the show veered toward how Indeed had a similar strategy 10 years ago.

Indeed has officially launched Career Pages in an attempt to appeal to small businesses, and at least

Indeed did that. 2018 CareerBuilder was dropping Pokemon Go for jobs. Chad: Yeah. We're talking about something that Indeed did what? Joel: Well... Chad: 10 years ago. Chad: He was also a founder of Interviewed, the interviewing company that Indeed bought, he was at Indeed Indeed has a lot of information. Right. They suck at matching. Indeed has more data on me. Joel: Oh, for sure. Chad: Right.

acquired Click IQ and has since launched their own little programmatic solution called Indeed IQ. Leavin (18m 33s): <inaudible> Joel (18m 34s): Curious how Indeed fared in your survey. And they just didn't realize it was Indeed they were clicking on. past quarter that was boosted by the likes of Glassdoor and Indeed. So by the 26th of March jobs postings on Indeed in the U S were 13.5% above those from February 1st,

Indeed, in LinkedIn. Joel Cheesman (50:54.481) Mm-hmm. Joel Cheesman (53:29.425) If you're looking for a threat, to me it's Indeed. Because you look at the fresh component, no one's fresh on Indeed. But instead of spending more on Indeed, I'm gonna figure out how to use my own database to... J.T. So as I look at this, indeed I think is the odd man out of this equation. think LinkedIn's a winner.

While indeed reports, 46% of job seekers now abandon applications because shocker. So if if my if if indeed have jobs on you know Joey Bagadona's job board, like if it started getting It's Angels, you got Indeed, you got what was the other one? ZipRecruiter, right? And the other one is looking to disrupt Indeed and LinkedIn. so Spot has 21 million dollars so far to But like Maureen Wiley Clough (58:31.048) Indeed. That is true. Yeah.

Chad: I can't apply for a job on Indeed with my LinkedIn profile. I can't apply for a job in all of these other places outside of Indeed. Jason: Can you apply on Indeed with my CV wallet? Chad: Yeah. Jason: Most job boards will have, apply with your Indeed profile, and apply through Indeed. And... Indeed has a bunch of fake ass profiles.

hiring tools, exploring how these moves may shake up the job market and add pressure on competitors like Indeed Take a look at Indeed. Indeed does not monetize the job seeker, right? I think indeed should be a little scared if they actually turn the spigot on job search and giving companies Indeed's not doing better. So you gotta, and you've got all the tools to do it.

The data and insights, and again, I've got great experience working in Indeed. Obviously your experience at Indeed had some impact on starting this company. Talk about that process, how Indeed prepared you for this. I think Indeed aside, what's the key two aspects, Craig, of a search engine? I've got a lot of good friends and contacts there from my days at Indeed.

Look, if it's sort of like when job boards realize we can just put an indeed backfill and get money on Joel Cheesman (37:15.73) to let, I let indeed in or not. And if they're providing what indeed does, then is that like, well, you don't need indeed stuff because I think this is a real threat to, indeed. Like that's a pretty bad place for Indeed to be in.

the whole family is going to the Indy 500 this year. We came on and said, fuck that indeed sucks. And everyone's stupid and Burson's a punk. Not only is Indeed sending tons of unqualified candidates that you can't manage, you have no idea which Joel Cheesman (20:55.818) If there's really much of a moat to other competitors, mean, could indeed do And indeed being indeed could probably crush it and then it, and then it becomes, you guessed it, the

Chad: So that's like going to Indeed and having somebody speak from Indeed but they Joel: And Indeed's success was similar as well right? For years, they gave Indeed ... But why? It wasn't original content. Nobody played the SEO game better than Indeed, which is why they became Indeed. And if Indeed was delivering that for them, then there's the answer to my quandary.

On tap, let's start with some shitty optics from Indeed's newest toy, ClickIQ. So Indeed stayed flat or they actually dropped 10%. So many people say, but Chad ClickIQ was bought by Indeed, that makes sense. Okay. I mean I see where it's harmless in that, Oh, "I'm an indeed ploy employee now." And if, if you, I mean, so to say you're Indeed now.

The boys break down: Indeed's full-on enshittification  moment LinkedIn celebrates 100M verified profiles show, Mark Dries, from recruitmentmatters.nl used the same framework to highlight our friends over at Indeed Remember, Indeed was free for everybody. Free jobs, get all their jobs here. Then phase three, Mark says, Indeed's prioritization of its profits over experience and outcomes, totally Joel Cheesman (17:52.91) Shame on you indeed. Shame on you.

To be quite frank, Indeed could smash it or they could buy it. I think that's smart. Joel: Yeah, from my perspective, Indeed would be interesting. I think Indeed has enough problems going right now to deal with that. It was able to tell me, Glassdoor style, Indeed review style, news and the whatever style, what it's There's real potential to fuck Glassdoor and Indeed reviews and Blind and whoever's doing reviews is

That's the big difference indeed. Okay. Here healthcare is paid by the government, so basically paid by taxpayers. yeah indeed, so if a private I think if he gets into a good focus for product, Unlike Indeed, Indeed is incredibly sloppy now. If LinkedIn doesn't play in Indeed and they really focus and they sharpen their product, I think they know, Levin said, most of these companies don't feel like they have a choice but to spend money with Indeed

So what do you think about Indeed's step into staffing? What do you think about Indeed's, the tech, actually stepping into staffing? and do something new, like they're going to lose, they're going to lose interest. it's, and HR tech indeed independent of where you are in the world doing the same JIm McCoy (19:57.461) Where I think we're headed think ultimately that dimension, and as that is kind of like what we started off talking about with Indeed

Indeed's here, there's no ZipRecruiter. Joel: Kind of. Josh Rock: Well, they got a big booth. Joel: I'm only jealous of Indeed. That's why. Josh Rock: That's fine. You can be jealous. Joel: Because Indeed is here. Joel: But you know, Programmatic, Indeed. I still got to do the Indeeds and at least have a presence, but I'm not gonna spend a ton.

You spent your money wherever you spend it, whether it's Indeed, whether it's wherever you've spent all Unlike, like you had said, like Indeed who is everything and... You mentioned Indeed, when I hear, your LinkedIn tag, I think of Jobcase saying, "We're LinkedIn for

Apparently Ryan Reynolds was at the Indeed event last week. Chad (7m 24s): Yes. This is something that obviously Indeed's starting to require. Doug wants to go further than that. iceberg, but when you're a company who is going against Indeed, you're just trying to chip away, right And Indeed and Glassdoor probably have 80 plus percent of the review market. Indeed, back in the day. Remember when Indeed had all of the sure. Everything over the side, right?

You mentioned that Indeed stole your shit, which they do that a lot by the way, to many companies. We'll just to clarify, I don't think Indeed "stole" anything. Joel (8m 29s): So Keith, speaking of Indeed looking at your LinkedIn profile, Jason Munez of indeed called Indeed. And then obviously, I mean, there are a bunch of job boards to look Indeed.

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Joel (2m 15s): Shout out to Indeed. Yeah. Welcome to Indeed's version of a Glass Door, snuff film. Indeed's going to be piping jobs into Glass Door. I mean, pretty much as soon as in Indeed bought them. Then Indeed.

We got JCK and Bianca Lager on the show, talking everything from background checks to Indeed. They lost that deal to Indeed. for them, like that would have been an easy sort of countermove to Workopolis getting sucked up by Indeed extent will help them from a diplomatic standpoint in their area of the world to hopefully hold off Indeed We have a lot of respect for Indeed, but trust me, we will be ramping up in Canada.

What show is complete without LinkedIn or indeed we'll cover LinkedIn this week. I think indeed has a great idea, but once again, we have not seen them execute on the most easy part Joel (37:12.68) They are successful. on the business side, you know, when, indeed launched, have up to They've totally like left that to be taken up by somebody indeed. Indeed hasn't really embraced it, but they have a good foothold in, that market.