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A bunch you just get the automated rejection email. I do believe, you know, the Microsoft executive that said all the white collar tasks, tasks can be automated Versus the other group just got an auto rejection if they weren't a fit. real explanation one of the big Triggers that people I have found that job seekers have in like the automated Just remove that sentence from your automated emails Joel Cheesman (24:53.607) Hmm.

Anyways, AdWay, an automated social recruitment marketing solution announced today that it, it has raised And streamlines and automates payroll, recruiting, leave and attendance, performance management and more Chad (28m 11s): Yeah, I tell you man, their Tam around automating payroll recruiting, leave an absence In other news Amazon is currently testing Sparrow a warehouse automation at a facility in Texas where Of course today labor is still needed, but that is fundamentally changing and how much of that is automated

Once everyone can have automated girlfriends and boyfriends, do we need Tinder and, okay, keep it. However, they don't have a recruiting. automated like they don't have a recruiting co -pilot. hello, If you're big and can automate and replace people. Chad Sowash (48:24.25) Yes. balls. So same as Burger King, Taco Bell, they're going to automate. They're going to cut head count. Joel Cheesman (49:09.898) They'll automate. They'll be fine.

now because of digitalization, all this stuff that was show up, shut up, do what you're told is being automated It's being automated away. And I'm a big fan of automation. It's like most of the stuff that's automated is repetitive, inhuman tasks that people shouldn't have And he automatically thought, "What the hell are you doing here? Why aren't you working?" Again.

Joel: In a world that's becoming more automated, there's less how So my question is, in a world that's getting more automated, do you guys get squeezed out of that future , or do you see yourself as part of the automated future of recruiting? No, I think we will not get squeezed out of that, because what will remain when everything will be automated And our role is to automate the maximum of task that we can automate and also to let the time for the

Automation? A.I.? Machine learning? Nah, that's not the play. PandoLogic uses powerful automation to drive higher performing job ads without the bloated budget. Joel (23m 33s): But in terms of, yeah, in terms of, you know, automation, you know, transcription piece , it looks like there's some of that in there scheduling automation, like either if this isn't on the roadmap, will it be sort of where are you on some of those buzz terms around automation and AI?

before we actually see at least the front end of the funnel from a talent standpoint become really fully automated I think we've automated so much, not just across TA, but across HR, across employees, that we were like They're going to be flipping on things and automating things, and everyone's going to figure out, oh,

So they didn't want to have to buy an ATS and then plug in interview automated scheduling and then technical So for example, we have AI generated job descriptions, we're automating our interview scheduling, we And then it will just automatically arrange the interview and schedule it into everybody's diary. It's auto automated. Yeah, all automated. So the user then completes the technical test. Chad (23:37.25) Is that manual or is that automatically attached to the job description? Okay.

It basically almost means like in automation, which I think even though some people rally against like What does it really matter if it's truly like a clever AI or just an automated system? And about 14 in the last five years have been somehow related to AI automation, if I remember the numbers

So why didn't you go more toward efficiencies, automation, those types of things that are incredibly It was to do with processes and automation. Everything's getting automated which may be something that you can look into if you automate this whole

It's a nice compliment to Chipotle’s Chippy and Autocado automation. It's shocking it took this long to happen, I think it's a matter of automation becoming real for people But the future is automation, if you look at a Tesla plant, there aren't a lot of people there. It's less about the automation and more about the UX Chad, it's all about the UX, and that's why we're launching our new Chad and Cheese experience, we're going to automate this podcast so we can randomly

So my shout out goes, I guess, to night owls. we talk a lot about automation and recruiting on this show So much of the interviews now, because they're automated, are happening late at night. So I I think it's it's it needs to be said that that automation, being able to adhere to people's schedules , real life things that are going on, I think is a really great thing that's happening with automation That's all gonna be automated. So they don't need reviews for that's my own take on that.

stellar job postings, so here comes JobDescriptions.ai to try and solve a really big problem, helping automate PandoLogic uses powerful automation to drive higher performing job ads without the bloated budget. At this point, I started thinking of creating an ATS for startups that will automate the hiring process There really hasn't been a company that's had the balls to sort of take on job descriptions and make it automated are going to be open to talking to someone about how do I make job descriptions, better, easier, more automated

So, the idea is that we built a fully automated sourcer. So, we had a fully automated recruiter on the agency side, even if you're looking at that side. They automate their piece of the process really well. Maybe, we don't need automated sources all the time. Right? I view Seen as a little bit of a hybrid of automation, and manual labor.

doing, whether it's customer service sales, outbound, outbound calls, like all that stuff is getting automated , I think it's all a, it's, it's all a ploy to do this until they can get rid of all the people and automate Joel Cheesman (30:42.144) until I think ultimately they, they automate a huge part of the business because Cause I know you have some really strong opinions about agents and in automation and AI doing a lot of

Will LinkedIn's automated initial interviews actually improve the hiring funnel? So to me, having this automated tool sets them up to go to some of these smaller businesses and say, The company aims to empower non-technical employees to automate repetitive tasks using AI agents with monday.com every day and they know that there are process gaps or what have you or things that can be automated Lieven (43:38.862) I love the whole idea about enabling people to automate the boring stuff and to give

Commenters on X are cackling that the Four Horsemen (Google, LinkedIn, automation, AI, and freelancing Automation, I think hits the blue collar worker in a big way. Companies are automating. The startup offers agents, an agent service that automates the initial interview screening process. sort of the revenue side of the organization where you've got like hard numbers and things that are automated Not to mention, I also really like that one of their AI automated agents is actually a dude named Alex

so much process in recruitment marketing and in recruitment, so much process and a lot of it can be automated Anything that's a redundant, repetitive task should go the way of tech and automation. see the ability to create efficiency in managing contacts, the ability to distribute content in more automated head in many of these platforms, which you're hitting square between the eyes is really focused on automation , heavy automation and hitting those roadblocks that we've been hitting for years, finally finding a

But you can actually do the same thing through automation. Can you not? Joel (41m 54s): You mentioned automation this is your sweet spot. Is part of the answer automation can help you look bigger than you really are? But you can actually do the same thing through automation. Can you not? Joel (41m 54s): You mentioned automation this is your sweet spot.

And automate the candidate search process sets it apart from the competitors. All the time, I'm guessing they're, they're, they're racing toward automation. road and more examples of things going wrong, law enforcement is figuring out what to do with all this automation Nice, but automation, think I'm here for it. They are money pits and I'm here for the automation and hell if my local community can get more out of

There's tons of tools out there that'll automate your content and stuff. So we have we've actually had content and we want, you know, there are a lot of these automation tools Joel (26m 10s): Talk to me about automation. So, you know, we'll continue to monitor the automation component, Joel, but we're not sold yet that that I think the automation piece is a way that you should focus on.

And you talk about automation abundance in Asia, which are smacking us clearly in the face today, is Those are the ones that are most important because it's fairly easy to outsource and automate those left There are still, even in a world of automation, an extraordinary number of people in sale sales even

Between roasts of industry giants and a deep dive into "agentic" automation, the panel questions if the they now launched RPS Plus and about 30 % of all the actions on LinkedIn done by recruiters could be automated And it will write an optimized resume and an optimized email and apply for each one of them totally automated So they applied for 100 jobs automated and they got invited for a conversation by the recruiter for 16 So I can imagine this could be used to automate applying, it's not like.

So the big question for me and many of the individuals out there in TA, is how do we actually use automation You, know, you should think about tools like Gem to be able to automate away the mundane things. So getting back into automation and white glove, one of the things that we talk about a lot on the show So to your question Chad, you should automate away all the mundane things, all the tactical things, give

Thad: Well, the number one thing you hear is automation. Thad: Automation becomes so important, right? Automation becomes very, very important, and they have other things to do. That should be automated. I think that's where you're going to see a lot of value with AI, right? So they're seeing automation in their stores.

Joel (13m 1s): Yeah, they acquired some automation company fairly recently. So I mean, they're focusing heavily, which I understand totally too, because automation, maybe, I mean , even small companies need automation, they probably need it more than the bigger companies to be quite The Berlin based company plans to use funds to expand the automation capabilities of its global talent Netherlands, which was a completely insane, different, legal mindset, where we try to digitalize and automate

Some stuff will be automated in the near future for sure, but still, many people will be needed to check if the automation went correctly. There will some automation be done on automating, but whatever.

Their study found that 97% of those using automated technologies and hiring, reported positive outcomes So here are my top three reasons why AI and automation and hiring are imminent. Chad: So you've gotta remember when you start using AI and automation to scale, you're in effect handling more candidates because your ability to scale with AI and automation. So we need to get the tech and the humans right with automation and the humans at the location to make

The easiest way to do that is to cut out humans and replace them with robots or automations. The company is expanding its workforce and it continues to develop the testing automation stuff. think this is going to be interesting as you've done the way Mo, Joel, Tesla has been talking about automations in HR, people in finance, for example, we have a lot of administrative parts of our job which can be automated And I don't think you can get customer service fully automated in this way. yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a

There was like Keynes who said people only will need to work like 15 hours because everything will be automated I like the automation piece. Chad: Oh, so everybody's touting automation. They're touting GPT, they're... 'Cause I looked at the website and just broadly saying that you can solve an automation problem, that

The feature automates tasks such as applicant screening and data collection and offers 24/7 support for I think it's interesting that they say this is streamlining because Fountain was already an automation Joboti's automated recruitment processes, which include job alerts, GDPR checks and interview scheduling Textkernel says the addition of Joboti's capabilities will allow them to offer clients an automated recruitment customers are looking for more channels and more advanced ways of reaching out to those candidates and automate

like to play music, I'm a drummer, not for Wilco, the band, and I also love tinkering with the home automation Home automation... Chad: What does home automation mean? [overlapping conversation] On Freund: Well the stove isn't automatic, it doesn't automatically do spaghetti , but a lot of things are automated from the blinds and the windows, lights, AC. question, it speaks to my heart with the 8-bit website, just in itself, when I landed on it, I just automatically

We do this by automating job candidates, screening, scheduling, and engagement at scale. And we wanted to automate those. So automating what we can and helping people be better at the rest. Obviously automation is going to happen. Joel (30m 54s): Companies are going to come out of this time, looking for automated solutions, more cost

Chad (04:55.841) to automate, save money at the same time. Chad (06:17.215) Shout out to automation. gonna be easy no matter how much money they have, trying to pull everything together with their Lyric automations AI automations. It's gonna be incredibly, incredibly hard. Chad (21:25.203) because every ADP customer who's not already using Workforce Solutions, they will automatically

Is it your sense with so much technology, so much automation so much out there to make sure ghosting So no matter what you automate, you still have a human to human interaction, no matter what. Like everybody relies on automation. Automation is great. I applied on the 14th and I got an email three minutes later, it's automated saying we got your application

Joel (8m 11s): Now, is this automated at all? We have open API so people can automate that feedback. What can you do to help automate that followup? So from an automated feedback piece, it's $299 a month plus $25 per recruiter. And so that gets you the operational platform to be able to automate, get that feedback in.

The second is AI and automation. And the third is our open ecosystem. Herefish, coming from the open ecosystem, flows right into that second pillar of automation and AI. So the core reason that we acquired them is their ability to automate workflows and enable our customers Haley Marketing, and the ability for people to communicate with both candidates and customers in an automated We also partner with a couple of other, I think there's like six or seven, of these automated scheduling

Joel (20m 12s): How big of a threat do you see automation in the interviewing process in your product Or are you looking to go more of an automated product in the future? I think we saw the pendulum go all the way towards automation eight years ago and now it's finally across halfway back towards having HR departments instead of skeleton crews running automations.

It's one of the thoroughbred marketing automation platforms that B2B sales teams would use. just delighted because we knew it was going to shine a spotlight on marketing technology, marketing automation So in marketing automation technology, and if it did, we knew that was going to be good for us, but I Jobvite just released their new evolve platform that unified all their tech, including their marketing automation But originally, you know, their messaging was around trying to be really good at marketing automation

We automate the ebb and flow in jobs, so it's cleaning, assessments, scheduling, onboarding, and as I Ankit: I think it's automation of end to end process, combined with the right candidate Ankit: And so in that process, if you can automate it, give them a responsive experience All of those processes are completely automated with our system for several companies, so much so that For us, we literally went out to them, saying, "Hey, we have this idea, we think we can automate a bunch

There are going to be some companies and we've talked about them that are going to go full AI, full automation And knowing that huge companies are trying to automate and roboticize these operations, there will be Joel Cheesman (33:05.314) payroll plus an automated payroll solution for you guessed it deskless workers The platform designed for hospitality, healthcare, and retail aims to revolutionize payroll automation

deliver six-figure incomes), and Randstad Workmonitor 2026 warnings of massive entry-level job losses to automation of employers predict that at least half of entry level roles will disappear within five years due to automation It should all be automated and all the, all the, all the content and data that's in there should be. That's $65 million total for automated recruiting. I think it's enough money for them to try to really invest and figure out how to automate recruiting

But let's take a break, listen to a word from Canvas, and we'll talk some silly automation stuff. Joel: The automation apocalypse is real. Joel: It feels like coffee is specific enough that automating that is pretty easy Automating chicken nuggets versus Big Mac versus so many menu items ... , a lot of those things are gonna be really hard to automate.

(27:41.129) You may see a lot more AI, may see a lot more reports and earnings and things that are automated All right, guys, let's talk about automation gone wrong. I'm sure a lot of them have dealt with these automated interviews. Your thoughts. J.T. so what's happening is on tick tock and other social media is that people are actually recording the automated also think like it's funny how employers will clutch the pearls when they go, my God, job seekers are automating

And again, we talk about how automation, it's not gonna replace jobs, it's gonna replace tasks. But one thing I looked at was, there absolutely has to be a way we can automate this.

So it's like if we could automate this in intelligent fashion, like we're well on our way to making an Well we're doing combined with PandoIQ now and bringing the Wendy platform to it is, automating that track candidates, seek out their interests, get an application, but now immediately engage with them automatically coming in and out, the data also changes the decision making on that data to a large degree can be automated and to a large degree also by that automation, the biases get removed.

a company in e-commerce space and did a company in the advertising technology space and one in the automotive talked to people in the industry that say, look, why would people get into a career if they think that automated Here's what I would say about the world of automation and robust one. It's a long way away. But real automation of a lot of these things is decades away. That's the first statement. say, and tell me what you think about this, that there are some of these industries that we will see automation

The second horseman is automation. So those four horsemen of the apocalypse, Google and LinkedIn, AI, automation and the gig economy spell So automation, I agree 100% on being able to get incredibly targeted. We can't just pull pilots out of the sky like we can probably auto workers. Automation will be part of that. But anyway, let's enjoy the moment. Workers are winning.

Now let's go to salespeople. 11X, an AI sales automation platform has secured $50 million in series B funding to enhance its digital workers named Alice and Jordan who automate sales tasks. Anyway, my point is like, Nvidia is going to get really rich on all this automation. Where this whole thing shakes out. don't know. we can't go fully automated. There's no risk of automation in dental work.

And to me, this was sort of Latin for, we're automating and these are folks that we don't need, but we're It's automated. I mean, it's just a different animal. Look, there's some there's some jobs that I can't imagine being fully automated. One is doctor. One is pilot and dentist like anything that like and maybe stripper that that shouldn't ever be automated