And it seems like your solution is, is highly automate or highly manual. Do you have automation in your plans? That was the second piece of my question. There's a good degree of automation today, but I would say it's in the form of efficiency and not in That's pivoting or moving into more automated, automated tools to move into the future. I just, I think you need to deliver on the automated, the automation services.

The conversation dives into the future of recruitment, where automation and AI are reshaping the job And they'll be able to do that through automation. Joel Cheeseman: Yeah. Like that is one level of the automation. The automation Sean's talking about is the hiring and the scheduling and the flexibility there. So, you have automation on two sides of that, which kind of are coming together.

Million Question Bot Killing the 40-Minute Assessment From 30% to 90% Conversion The "Human" Side of Automation Um, I want you to go back in time, the, the days before automation and all these things were going on

So, literally automation in AI, thus far, conversationally, whatever you'd like to call it has been great Is it AI, is it RPA, is it automation? HR professionals have enough time to dig into what AI is, large language models are, versus RPA and automation Because RPA, robotic process automation is basically, it's zeros and ones, it's yeses and nos.

Now more than ever, you need to automate and optimize your job ads. Think SEO for job ads. Is this an automated process? Is it a consulting process? Is it a manual thing? What is it you actually automate? Because for me, an automated process involves ATS, VMS, career site. We're looking at that automation piece. We're joining the ecosystem around recruitment.

HR Geckos is an HR operations co-pilot that automates key HR processes, connects all HR systems, and And we automate key HR processes, connect all HR systems, and our AI -powered help desk is the only help In fact, the term sometimes helps them better understand what we can do as an automation and a technology So we start with that onboarding and that's where the automation part of our platform comes in as well

A bunch you just get the automated rejection email. I do believe, you know, the Microsoft executive that said all the white collar tasks, tasks can be automated Versus the other group just got an auto rejection if they weren't a fit. real explanation one of the big Triggers that people I have found that job seekers have in like the automated Just remove that sentence from your automated emails Joel Cheesman (24:53.607) Hmm.

The three big themes discussed: The Great Resignation, Automation, and Remote Work (and yes, ghosting survey, which is another, a big theme that we've talked about on the show for, well over a year is automation you call them chat bots or conversational AI, you guys have some really interesting numbers around automation You mentioned ghosting, which I think is impacted a lot by the automated hiring process so talk about what you guys found in the automation category.

People love this sort of automated sourcing, read outreach interview like thing. They love it. Now that's automation. At some point, LinkedIn is gonna have that for the job seeker. Joel Cheesman (45:10.607) where I have an automated reply to companies and have like that that connection Like how does how does the automated hiring assistant stuff impact LinkedIn and and what happens there So my point is when the history is written on this automation stuff and conversational whatever, are

It's all automated at restaurants. So Amazon says yeah, I have to automate. I have to. What piqued your interest on that from an automation standpoint? why obviously Entelo created this automation trends report. But Cielo, I know, has automation put in place, much like the Canvas automation that you're talking about

Once everyone can have automated girlfriends and boyfriends, do we need Tinder and, okay, keep it. However, they don't have a recruiting. automated like they don't have a recruiting co -pilot. hello, If you're big and can automate and replace people. Chad Sowash (48:24.25) Yes. balls. So same as Burger King, Taco Bell, they're going to automate. They're going to cut head count. Joel Cheesman (49:09.898) They'll automate. They'll be fine.

And we match that up with a manufacturing specific recruiting platform that uses both automation and , but that's opening up new opportunities to, you know, plan out that automation and figure out better Certainly we hear about robotics and automation and all the manufacturing skills. know, there are a lot of jobs that become careers available to you and, you know, they're not being automated And so then the next layer of that is actually showcasing the new jobs alongside the automation and the

Everything from AI to automation to … ah, hell, there were too many German beers and links of sausage And their stress is automation and how quickly, and do we automate many of the jobs of the frontline We're seeing some of the basic sourcing, the first contact, if you will, of candidates being automated Things that you would normally do content-wise are being automated by ChatGPT. And we're sadly going to a time where job seekers are automating, companies are automating, and robots

And in that scene, there's always been sort of a kernel there that says, well, if the level of automation know, these two thousand job categories have to be classified as something else and they're gonna be automated HR is at the far end of the sort of the spectrum of, you know, strategy has been defined, you know, automation

Anyways, AdWay, an automated social recruitment marketing solution announced today that it, it has raised And streamlines and automates payroll, recruiting, leave and attendance, performance management and more Chad (28m 11s): Yeah, I tell you man, their Tam around automating payroll recruiting, leave an absence In other news Amazon is currently testing Sparrow a warehouse automation at a facility in Texas where Of course today labor is still needed, but that is fundamentally changing and how much of that is automated

As tools like Seek Out, Hiring Solved and others are taking share, and the automation tools are coming Will it automate? Yes. Will it scale? Yes, I believe it will. Chad (22m 49s): So SkyHive doesn't really help automate. It could help scale. The thing is, will this help automate? No. Will it help scale? Yeah, I believe so. Chad, are you ready to get down with the automation at the restaurant?

now because of digitalization, all this stuff that was show up, shut up, do what you're told is being automated It's being automated away. And I'm a big fan of automation. It's like most of the stuff that's automated is repetitive, inhuman tasks that people shouldn't have And he automatically thought, "What the hell are you doing here? Why aren't you working?" Again.

before we actually see at least the front end of the funnel from a talent standpoint become really fully automated I think we've automated so much, not just across TA, but across HR, across employees, that we were like They're going to be flipping on things and automating things, and everyone's going to figure out, oh,

It basically almost means like in automation, which I think even though some people rally against like What does it really matter if it's truly like a clever AI or just an automated system? And about 14 in the last five years have been somehow related to AI automation, if I remember the numbers

So they didn't want to have to buy an ATS and then plug in interview automated scheduling and then technical So for example, we have AI generated job descriptions, we're automating our interview scheduling, we And then it will just automatically arrange the interview and schedule it into everybody's diary. It's auto automated. Yeah, all automated. So the user then completes the technical test. Chad (23:37.25) Is that manual or is that automatically attached to the job description? Okay.

important, not just as a company, is that while we're no doubt going to embrace and enable and drive automation Now, many of us are spending our days building and managing bots and automating workflow. , to bundle a group of key technologists together, to drive technology's simplicity, to drive smart automation We're going to talk a lot about automation these next couple of days, a bit about that in our story we're

So my shout out goes, I guess, to night owls. we talk a lot about automation and recruiting on this show So much of the interviews now, because they're automated, are happening late at night. So I I think it's it's it needs to be said that that automation, being able to adhere to people's schedules , real life things that are going on, I think is a really great thing that's happening with automation That's all gonna be automated. So they don't need reviews for that's my own take on that.

So why didn't you go more toward efficiencies, automation, those types of things that are incredibly It was to do with processes and automation. Everything's getting automated which may be something that you can look into if you automate this whole

Automation? A.I.? Machine learning? Nah, that's not the play. PandoLogic uses powerful automation to drive higher performing job ads without the bloated budget. Joel (23m 33s): But in terms of, yeah, in terms of, you know, automation, you know, transcription piece , it looks like there's some of that in there scheduling automation, like either if this isn't on the roadmap, will it be sort of where are you on some of those buzz terms around automation and AI?

It's a nice compliment to Chipotle’s Chippy and Autocado automation. It's shocking it took this long to happen, I think it's a matter of automation becoming real for people But the future is automation, if you look at a Tesla plant, there aren't a lot of people there. It's less about the automation and more about the UX Chad, it's all about the UX, and that's why we're launching our new Chad and Cheese experience, we're going to automate this podcast so we can randomly

Will LinkedIn's automated initial interviews actually improve the hiring funnel? So to me, having this automated tool sets them up to go to some of these smaller businesses and say, The company aims to empower non-technical employees to automate repetitive tasks using AI agents with monday.com every day and they know that there are process gaps or what have you or things that can be automated Lieven (43:38.862) I love the whole idea about enabling people to automate the boring stuff and to give

doing, whether it's customer service sales, outbound, outbound calls, like all that stuff is getting automated , I think it's all a, it's, it's all a ploy to do this until they can get rid of all the people and automate Joel Cheesman (30:42.144) until I think ultimately they, they automate a huge part of the business because Cause I know you have some really strong opinions about agents and in automation and AI doing a lot of

Commenters on X are cackling that the Four Horsemen (Google, LinkedIn, automation, AI, and freelancing Automation, I think hits the blue collar worker in a big way. Companies are automating. The startup offers agents, an agent service that automates the initial interview screening process. sort of the revenue side of the organization where you've got like hard numbers and things that are automated Not to mention, I also really like that one of their AI automated agents is actually a dude named Alex

Joel: In a world that's becoming more automated, there's less how So my question is, in a world that's getting more automated, do you guys get squeezed out of that future , or do you see yourself as part of the automated future of recruiting? No, I think we will not get squeezed out of that, because what will remain when everything will be automated And our role is to automate the maximum of task that we can automate and also to let the time for the

stellar job postings, so here comes JobDescriptions.ai to try and solve a really big problem, helping automate PandoLogic uses powerful automation to drive higher performing job ads without the bloated budget. At this point, I started thinking of creating an ATS for startups that will automate the hiring process There really hasn't been a company that's had the balls to sort of take on job descriptions and make it automated are going to be open to talking to someone about how do I make job descriptions, better, easier, more automated

And automate the candidate search process sets it apart from the competitors. All the time, I'm guessing they're, they're, they're racing toward automation. road and more examples of things going wrong, law enforcement is figuring out what to do with all this automation Nice, but automation, think I'm here for it. They are money pits and I'm here for the automation and hell if my local community can get more out of

so much process in recruitment marketing and in recruitment, so much process and a lot of it can be automated Anything that's a redundant, repetitive task should go the way of tech and automation. see the ability to create efficiency in managing contacts, the ability to distribute content in more automated head in many of these platforms, which you're hitting square between the eyes is really focused on automation , heavy automation and hitting those roadblocks that we've been hitting for years, finally finding a

Between roasts of industry giants and a deep dive into "agentic" automation, the panel questions if the they now launched RPS Plus and about 30 % of all the actions on LinkedIn done by recruiters could be automated And it will write an optimized resume and an optimized email and apply for each one of them totally automated So they applied for 100 jobs automated and they got invited for a conversation by the recruiter for 16 So I can imagine this could be used to automate applying, it's not like.

And you talk about automation abundance in Asia, which are smacking us clearly in the face today, is Those are the ones that are most important because it's fairly easy to outsource and automate those left There are still, even in a world of automation, an extraordinary number of people in sale sales even

But you can actually do the same thing through automation. Can you not? Joel (41m 54s): You mentioned automation this is your sweet spot. Is part of the answer automation can help you look bigger than you really are? But you can actually do the same thing through automation. Can you not? Joel (41m 54s): You mentioned automation this is your sweet spot.

There's tons of tools out there that'll automate your content and stuff. So we have we've actually had content and we want, you know, there are a lot of these automation tools Joel (26m 10s): Talk to me about automation. So, you know, we'll continue to monitor the automation component, Joel, but we're not sold yet that that I think the automation piece is a way that you should focus on.

So, the idea is that we built a fully automated sourcer. So, we had a fully automated recruiter on the agency side, even if you're looking at that side. They automate their piece of the process really well. Maybe, we don't need automated sources all the time. Right? I view Seen as a little bit of a hybrid of automation, and manual labor.

The easiest way to do that is to cut out humans and replace them with robots or automations. The company is expanding its workforce and it continues to develop the testing automation stuff. think this is going to be interesting as you've done the way Mo, Joel, Tesla has been talking about automations in HR, people in finance, for example, we have a lot of administrative parts of our job which can be automated And I don't think you can get customer service fully automated in this way. yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a

So the big question for me and many of the individuals out there in TA, is how do we actually use automation You, know, you should think about tools like Gem to be able to automate away the mundane things. So getting back into automation and white glove, one of the things that we talk about a lot on the show So to your question Chad, you should automate away all the mundane things, all the tactical things, give

Some stuff will be automated in the near future for sure, but still, many people will be needed to check if the automation went correctly. There will some automation be done on automating, but whatever.

Their study found that 97% of those using automated technologies and hiring, reported positive outcomes So here are my top three reasons why AI and automation and hiring are imminent. Chad: So you've gotta remember when you start using AI and automation to scale, you're in effect handling more candidates because your ability to scale with AI and automation. So we need to get the tech and the humans right with automation and the humans at the location to make

Joel (13m 1s): Yeah, they acquired some automation company fairly recently. So I mean, they're focusing heavily, which I understand totally too, because automation, maybe, I mean , even small companies need automation, they probably need it more than the bigger companies to be quite The Berlin based company plans to use funds to expand the automation capabilities of its global talent Netherlands, which was a completely insane, different, legal mindset, where we try to digitalize and automate

There was like Keynes who said people only will need to work like 15 hours because everything will be automated I like the automation piece. Chad: Oh, so everybody's touting automation. They're touting GPT, they're... 'Cause I looked at the website and just broadly saying that you can solve an automation problem, that

The feature automates tasks such as applicant screening and data collection and offers 24/7 support for I think it's interesting that they say this is streamlining because Fountain was already an automation Joboti's automated recruitment processes, which include job alerts, GDPR checks and interview scheduling Textkernel says the addition of Joboti's capabilities will allow them to offer clients an automated recruitment customers are looking for more channels and more advanced ways of reaching out to those candidates and automate

Chad (04:55.841) to automate, save money at the same time. Chad (06:17.215) Shout out to automation. gonna be easy no matter how much money they have, trying to pull everything together with their Lyric automations AI automations. It's gonna be incredibly, incredibly hard. Chad (21:25.203) because every ADP customer who's not already using Workforce Solutions, they will automatically

like to play music, I'm a drummer, not for Wilco, the band, and I also love tinkering with the home automation Home automation... Chad: What does home automation mean? [overlapping conversation] On Freund: Well the stove isn't automatic, it doesn't automatically do spaghetti , but a lot of things are automated from the blinds and the windows, lights, AC. question, it speaks to my heart with the 8-bit website, just in itself, when I landed on it, I just automatically

this from the judge: she said that she used old-school fraud using new-school buzzwords like AI and automation ZoomInfo has launched Talent Autopilot, an AI-driven recruiting agent designed to automate candidate

Thad: Well, the number one thing you hear is automation. Thad: Automation becomes so important, right? Automation becomes very, very important, and they have other things to do. That should be automated. I think that's where you're going to see a lot of value with AI, right? So they're seeing automation in their stores.

Is it your sense with so much technology, so much automation so much out there to make sure ghosting So no matter what you automate, you still have a human to human interaction, no matter what. Like everybody relies on automation. Automation is great. I applied on the 14th and I got an email three minutes later, it's automated saying we got your application

deliver six-figure incomes), and Randstad Workmonitor 2026 warnings of massive entry-level job losses to automation of employers predict that at least half of entry level roles will disappear within five years due to automation It should all be automated and all the, all the, all the content and data that's in there should be. That's $65 million total for automated recruiting. I think it's enough money for them to try to really invest and figure out how to automate recruiting