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And I think eightfold. jumped out at us because a lot of huge companies use it. I'm sure you've seen the eightfold patent. There's a lot of inference that happens. Okay Rachel Eightfold eightfold is a company with a two billion plus dollar valuation. That is the framework of which eightfold was built on. I think Chad owns Eightfold Sucks if you need that one in the future. Just a heads up.

And on this week's show, Eightfold gets served. Randstad just isn't listening. Mo, did Eightfold make a massive boo boo? Is Eightfold telling the truth? Chad Sowash (29:44.597) which means I can't trust Eightfold personally. So next we have, oh, from Eightfold to Randstad. This is too much already.

When we take a look at like the Beamery and the Eightfolds and some of those other companies that are And then you look at the companies that were sucker punched, in this case, Eightfold. Compared to what you're talking about, Eightfold. They do the deal. Going back to Eightfold, going back to Beamery.

I'm gonna give the Ferrari award this year to Eightfold. Well, let's say it's maybe compensating for something because the eightfold booth island not booth islands Eightfold really did write a check for HR tech.

Eightfold has introduced Eightfold Talent Tracking, an AI native applicant tracking system aiming to So that's what I'm seeing here with Eightfold. This goes along with eightfold too. Joel Cheesman (34:19.514) because we're eightfold and we're cool. Just like eightfold thinking that launching an ATS is cool.

For companies like Eightfold, Jobsync, The Mom Project, Gem, Jobscore and Burger King, the bag of goodies Joel (6m 6s): By the way, I, I posted a picture on our eightfold shred that we did. I'm going to get on record as saying I'd rather be in Eightfold's corner as opposed to Handshake. Joel (20m 43s): This is a real nice juxtaposition with Eightfold and saying, Monster should be doing Eightfold, at least in contrast to that is building this stuff themselves has the core competency so

Even more money with Eightfold. What do you think about them? Joel (18m 58s): Yeah. So Eightfold. And what's what's Eightfold's current slogan? Joel (20m 54s): 7 billion people come to Eightfold. Kids Eightfold gives your talent pipeline, just the tip. Joel (21m 49s): There's a lot more heat around Eightfold.

labor unions struck a big blow to The Big Three, and LinkedIn cuddled up to frenemies like Beamery, Eightfold The integration is launching with partners like Avature, Beamery, Clinch, your favorite Eightfold, JobVite speaking to a friend of mine about this to see what they thought about it, and they had one comment; "Eightfold So apparently, they don't think Eightfold or Beamery have a chance in hell in making the LinkedIn Microsoft

Omnipresent, Eightfold, one of the big ones recently, rumored at 20%. from Alexander Cohen, Director of Corporate Marketing over at Eightfold. "Eightfold AI does not comment on HR-related matters." Let that sit for a second. "Eightfold continues to focus on capitalizing on its enormous market opportunity. So saying Eightfold does not comment on HR-related matters is total bullshit, 100%.

Joel (15m 56s): I like the Eightfold too, that could do good too. And again, I mean, Loxo is same tech is Eightfold, but it probably a cheaper price point.

And most importantly, can you describe to Chad and I what Eightfold does. Chad: Oh God. I do love Eightfold. Joel: She wants that jacket, doesn't she? Madeline Laurano: I do want. And I'm going to wear an Eightfold sweatshirt with it. Joel: The t-shirt's easy. Joel: So I can tell by your voice, you're excited about Eightfold and... Madeline Laurano: I like Eightfold. Yes. Joel: What they're doing. Madeline Laurano: What else?

In this case, and in many cases, so we also have the eightfold FICRA cases that are coming up. Chad Sowash (16:24.74) But there are some, so eightfold in the Fair Credit Report Act, right? But you have these companies, you have these companies like eightfold, who literally the transparency So do you think the the FICRA eightfold case is just dead on arrival? I wouldn't be surprised, but I will say Eightfold AI is probably willing to pay the price because th

Stickin' it to Eightfold, "black Nazis," Brett Favre and cold beers start the episode off on a strong So then I take a couple of steps and I think I turn around and I was in the eightfold booth. Joel: We live rent free in Eightfold's head. And it's more and more, than it has been. Now, Veritone just partnered with Eightfold. Chad and Cheese sponsor Veritone. Meaning Eightfold in the last two to three years. So we'll have to dig in into that one.

The thing that bothers me the most about all of this is the new co-CEO at Eightfold. This guy isn't going to solve the current nebulous, what the actual fuck does Eightfold do, problem. That is pretty much what Eightfold has been since day one is a lot of talk and no walk. Fernandez leaving for Eightfold. There's a lot of buzz about what the fuck is up with Workday. We just talked about Eightfold has co-CEOs. Fuck that shit.

Seriously, we wanted to go deeper into better understanding the different legal aspects of the eightfold And you can check that full episode out, which is entitled Unfolding the Eightfold Lawsuit. I had a little bit different take on this and maybe it's because Eightfold is on the brain. This is when Torch Justice wanted to create this suit and do their research against Eightfold, all they And when I mean them, I mean Eightfold. Joel Cheesman (53:54.272) Mm-hmm.

Chad: Yeah, I mean, we've been calling Eightfold pretty much the Theranos of our industry for a very Joel: You know, you mentioned Eightfold, Chad, and you and I have such a fun time at HR Tech every year , I forget what year it was, but Eightfold had such a big booth. So you had like 80 by 80 Eightfold. 100 by 100. And then you had like a 10 by 10 Eightfold right beside it 'cause they just needed that much room.

Featured Highlights: "ZipRecruiter is Lost" (March 2024)  "Workday Sucker Punches Eightfold and Beamery Our number two podcast is, "Workday Sucker Punches Eightfold and Beamery." Check it out. Eightfold, they have close to $400 million in funding. Joel: Yep. Very probably small price tag compared to what you're talking about Eightfold. They do the deal. For Eightfold, it's awful.

Let's go to Eightfold shout out. That's a good follow-up to that unicorn. Yeah. Yeah. saying quote, "based on analysis of a billion careers and a million skills Eightfold recommends mentors So for what it's worth Fast Company thinks Eightfold has some real AI and put them in their top 10 list Their suckers, which I mean, Eightfold, if Eightfold is good at anything it's marketing. Chad (7m 29s): I'm a fan of all those three, really interesting that Eightfold didn't make that list.

Shout out to Eightfold, who was in The New York Times, in an article entitled, quote, "An AI startup Let's check in on Eightfold right now. Oh, shit. Chad: The rumor mill, though... Kamal, Eightfold's President is out. Joel: Yeah, so word at EightFold that I've heard is, things are going well from a monetary standpoint Chad: At EightFold, you mean? Joel: At EightFold. What did I say? Chad: Indeed.

If you're at eightfold, if you're at, you know, name it, what are you thinking today? many players, iSimps, Greenhouse, you've got all the employee, know, Lever, Jazz, Jobvite, Beemery, Eightfold We've given Eightfold a lot of shit on this show for years and they've taken too much money. An eightfold is trying to do too much. Right. If rippling deal or somebody goes public and goes bonkers, you're going to see eightfold.

HiBob, Eightfold is kind of trying to be in there, and by all accounts, it seems to look like Deel. Eightfold had two spaceships for God's sakes. And it just looks like Deel is running their business, in a much better fashion, obviously than the Eightfold

Joel: By the way, we have a Groupon for eightfold if you're in the market for buying someone at a discount We have a Groupon for eightfold. Joel: I could drop the mic, that's good? Okay.

marketplaces, intro mobility, and career pathing, you've got some really credible players, Gloat and Eightfold Chad: And the explosion of some of these TAMs and we'll say Eightfold for...

a plethora of topics, including iCIMS settling a legal battle, layoffs and “layoffs” at Indeed and Eightfold Well, speaking of stifling innovation, you got some, you got some insider scoop on Eightfold and Indeed So there Chad (15m 22s): Are rumors flying around that eightfold are laying off about 20% of their staff But yeah, so the first thing I thought was, I hope no one that was working the eightfold booth at HR

Beta launch partners include WeWork and EightFold. And speaking of EightFold, Chad, Ashutosh Garg, founder, and current CEO of Eightfold is a founding member I wonder how EightFold's brass feel about his new venture here.

Joel (11m 35s): The Eightfold booth is smaller. I had the intention of going to the Eightfold party talking about Eightfold. I did go to the rooftop bar and I go up and I say Eightfold party and they spoke French so they didn't Well I just, you know,I did go to the Eightfold party last night, so. Joel (14m 22s): Okay.

(43:12.205) Yeah Joel Cheesman (43:17.244) All right, next up guys, we have, we all know about the eightfold are a lot of vendors that listen to us, this comes straight from an article that Julie wrote entitled Eightfolds Now on the vendor side, this comes straight from an article Julie wrote entitled Eightfolds Lawsuit. I if you think those companies are down 30, 40%, what do you think eightfolds value is to their investors

To your chagrin, Eightfold will not be one of the death. Chad: They took too much money. So yeah, I could definitely see that happening, but they're gonna be like the, like you said, Eightfold Eightfold, they took a lot of money unless they continue to buy fuckin' spaceship booths like at the

Madeline (16m 9s): But then if you look at what like Eightfold is doing and Hired Score is doing and Although, you know, my question is to the Eeightfold side of the house, Eight fold to be quite Frank, messaging around AI and ethical AI, because that's what Hired Score has done so well, I know that's what Eightfold

Eightfold. That's out there. That's out there. Yeah, so I don't know. What about you?

Joel: No Eightfold. No eightfold for you. No compensating for booth space.

Competitors in this space include the likes of Eightfold and Pymetrics. And this thing could be big if the likes of Eightfold and Pymetrics, you know, go public or sell for So for a 20 million gamble, you know, with Eightfold, Pymetrics getting funded, and that's probably a

Joel Cheesman: I'm sure you're familiar with the case against Eightfold, basically unveiling what is

How about international growth plans, diversity offerings, competing with Eightfold and Phenom (and just But, hearing you now, it seems more like the companies in your cross hairs are like an Eightfold® or

Do you think iSIMs, eightfold, phenom, paradox, any ideas? They called eightfold.

It's kind of the whole eightfold, you know, trend. Chad (32:09.122) Eightfold is their masters of that shit. yeah. I have the best words.

who's going to get, you know, their payday and paradox payday smart recruiters payday, like eight, eightfold Eightfold's not a part of that. Eightfold is not a part of that.

I always like Eightfold. I think they bring something interesting to the table.

(30:29.366) And the ones that we're seeing now that are post chat GPT, if you're phenom, if you're eightfold Them and Eightfold, which I'm glad you brought up, I think they have been, much like most of the AI players

It says, "Moonhub, Eightfold, Chad's favorite, Findem, HeroHunt, PeopleGPT all promised to revolutionize Joel: So any startup who's willing to trash Eightfold, frankly, gets gold stars in my book.

Eightfold is currently getting sued for candidate profile enrichment, which Juicebox also does, which So if the courts rule against Eightfold, they're literally creating a credit report and Juicebox is dead

We've seen obviously with, with Eightfold's issue that uh, the, the lawsuit that's come up.

And if you think it's bad for them, what do think business is like at Eightfold, Phenom, Rippling, Deal We heard about the eightfold story last week and other cases, but we've been talking about quiet hiring

I see Beamery being with Phenom, Eightfold and Paradox, where they are more shifted toward the next generation So I see Beamery and Phenom and Eightfold and Paradox.

But with the eightfold case, and talking about how much the attacks on companies for legal cases, particularly Joel Cheesman (39:33.734) the eightfold case that says, okay, you have a black box that you are rejecting

93 million in funding, which seems like a pittance compared to the Eightfolds of the world. It really felt kind of like an Eightfold's luring of the buyer strategy, just on a trailer park budget

Now, for a company like Eightfold or a company like Workday, for example, you know, maybe that is the

Well, if you take a look at the eightfold FICRA like lawsuit, it's almost like pushing toward where if

It's DEEL, it's Eightfold, it's Remote.

Chris Conrad: It'll be the eightfold booth, 200 by 200, and then a bunch of kiosks.