Because as we've talked about with Indeed and Sift last week, I really see the evolution of staffing Chad: So the big question is, do you still believe that Indeed is going to suck up In fact, I'd be more apt to say Indeed's review section will soon be powered by Glassdoor, because Glassdoor Maybe Indeed will be powered by Glassdoor on their review section. Who knows? Indeed's ego giving anything to anybody. Joel: Yeah, I agree with that.

Indeed, as we talked about fairly recently, also a harassment case currently pending on their docket. her lawyer, which should be a good to have on the show and figure out more of what's going on with Indeed Joel: Very interesting, indeed. Also, very interesting what our sponsor, JobAdX, is doing. technology system, which I think is really interesting in light of talking about CareerBuilder and Indeed's

Yes, indeed. Wish I didn't. Wish I could off-stretch on that one, like to be under the sand. Maureen Clough (26:32.21) Indeed. Maureen Clough (26:36.107) Boom! Wait, that's fantastic, love. Here's just a sampling, a higher view acquired higher guide indeed gave us Explorer pages, a LinkedIn

on LinkedIn, it got Google's attention, it got Facebook's attention, it upped everyone's game on the Indeed So my first turkey for the year was Indeed. And the thing that comes down to Indeed they just don't care. It's very Indeed like, right? So Indeed tells companies how your job suck unless you pay me and then they don't suck anymore.

Joel (4m 13s): I guess Jolly Jobs would be better, but the move which follows the likes of Indeed acquiring So it's, you know, the days of back filling it with Indeed and growing into areas is gone. Lieven (8m 13s): That is something else, indeed. Working independently, but working together. Those three companies, Recruitee, Sympa and Javelo were independent companies and they just bought together

We're talking about even in our space, the likes of Upwork, Fiverr, Indeed, and Adzuna have all made Then Indeed followed then talent.com followed.

Sheri Zippo: Well, Indeed is a really big hub for us.

Chad (37:18.021) So Indeed is trying to get into this market and they're failing because they're a jack Indeed sees the market signals.

Google console site map, the usual, you know, as many landing pages as we can physically get to be indexed It reminds me of Indeed all over again, right? They're gonna go from free to freemium, right? Joel (18m 22s): Shoe Horning is a good word and I think Indeed is busy doing that with a lot of other Chad (27m 25s): My last question Aaran, like Indeed flex, why is job.com competing with the staffing

Lieven (5m 1s): Yeah, he's a sugar daddy indeed and Mark just posted and I was pretty impressed ~ a poem Indeed, co-founder Paul Forrester is an investor found in 2021 by husband and wife team, Anna Bull de

Maureen Clough (03:07.209) Indeed they do. Indeed they do. We're renting it out. There's something deeply indecent, Mr. Sander Van Schnoodle.

Indeed, the happiest time of the year starts with this warm and fuzzy episode of Chad & Cheese. Which, speaking of bets have you gotten your bourbon yet from the Indeed Whisperer, Jim Durbin?

Your standard campus recruiting and your standard, "Alright, here's Indeed, I'm gonna dump all this money

Indeed doesn't have this. Monster doesn't have it on their homepage search. Monster doesn't have that, Indeed doesn't have that. Right out of the gate. And it faded away because everyone was into like, I'll just plug in the Indeed API or Simplyhired, and this laziness that happened, this real malaise, I guess you could say, in being able to just plug in Indeed I can just plug in Indeed's API, make money on the clicks, life is good.

you want more insights on that whole thing, just listen to last week's March 21st podcast entitled "Indeed's So last shout out goes to our UK listeners, thanks for the intel about Indeed. Joel and I weren't sure if Indeed was spending a type of mad cash on radio and TV and shit like that Indeed is spending tons of cash in the UK to do advertising and we also have a UK rumor that I want to Jim: Yes, yes indeed.

They're just trying to get their name out there and to be quite frank, we keep talking about Indeed and they're attacking too and I really believe that ZipRecruiter is in a much better position long-term than Indeed But in terms of which one would I rather be, I'd probably rather be Indeed just for the fact that they They have probably done the best job of growing that business through traditional advertising, whereas Indeed

Indeed embraces it's inner warm and fuzzies. And yep, layoffs, they keep coming. Chad: Layoffs? And speaking of global, the folks at Adzuna let me know that in light of our story of Indeed crushing Chad: That's exactly right kids, get away from the evil empire we know as Indeed. And that being said, we also saw the same damn ad from Indeed. Joel: We did.

acquired skills-intelligence company TechWolf, which will integrate with SuccessFactors while remaining independent Indeed, nope, they've never invited us to anything. TechWolf will remain an independent entity headquartered in Ghent, Belgium. They're gonna stay as an independent enter entity for the the you know the the short term, but at least They're saying, hey, let's just keep to Indeed and LinkedIn and like maybe shrink those budgets a little

We, just ourselves, Indeed, Workday, just issued a joint statement about data rights and personal protections

contractor, the whole top management of most companies are people working as an entrepreneur, they call it, independently I mean, if you're independent, you sent a bill, you have a client, and if your client is unreasonable [laughter] No, no, but indeed it's a different system. In Dutch as well, but I wasn't going to say so. but indeed. Yeah, it's in...

I got the headline, Mark Sanchez stabbed in downtown Indy. And I was like, great. Like nice job, Indy. And then this then then facts came out and it was like, Holy shit. I want independent kids. individuals that they've already paid for and they are heavily, you know, focused and leaning on and indeed They got them from scraping the Indeed databases, the LinkedIn databases, et cetera, et cetera, et The

Did you not see how Indeed won the general job board wars? Was Monster, indeed? Yeah. Indestructible.

Is it going to overtake Indeed? Is it going to overtake Indeed?

So as you'd said, Joel, the spy was named and was not named in the document, but the Irish independent ZipRecruiter's job seeker confidence index has fallen to near record lows with a significant decline traceable, it's kind of funny, it's kind of like Chris Forman coming on the show and saying that he loves Indeed How many millions of dollars do you get from Indeed each month?

And so thinking about like the Indeed Hiring Lab, the May 2026 job report said that both hires and layoff

Cheesman (28:41.876) BreakRoom, which collects data from frontline workers , will continue to operate independently Joel Cheesman (32:44.2) And Pepsi and indeed in glassdoor, we don't need anything else. And indeed, but they do things differently. It's that one place you go to in Philly, you go to an Indy, you go to wherever you go, man.

But I think there are a lot of people who use a mix of both. if they do indeed lose their job, they are

Get that ticket and make yourself available at Unleash indeed. Teleperformance AI co-pilot customer service platform, is that this system can contextualize and then index Indeed. But I'm going to think about you while you are watching Oppenheimer and Joe.

Something else that we thought was ridiculous is when Indeed kicked their partner publishers to the curb If you're a publisher and you just got the ritual Trojan Horse fucking from Indeed Joel: Kick in the You can go ahead and try to replace that Indeed revenue stream with talent.com. Joel: Former Indeed guy. Chad: Yeah. Alex Murphy, not Robocop, CEO of JobSync. Indeed shutting down businesses. Lever.

SEEK is a major investor, and for those who don't know, SEEK, they're a major job board, just like Indeed And their main competitors would be LinkedIn and Indeed.

So finally Zip takes aim at glass doors and Indeed strong hold on employee reviews announced earlier Chad (18m 33s): Glassdoor's pretty much an Indeed zombie company, right? This may not, this may not work because Glassdoor's brand is still incredibly strong and Indeed's traffic

way, quick interjection before we talk about acquisition, so I was messaging back and forth with an Indeed talking to sales people; so what this sales person told me was, that the three other solutions aside from Indeed Of course Indeed is going to say it's talked about, but Indeed and then those other three says are really

And then as time's gone on there's been increased competitiveness with Indeed's Hit Recruiter, Glassdoor Microsoft, Facebook sort of putting their toe in this thing, we already have established players like Indeed Indeed is all about aggregation. It's volume. Arran: I won't take business from Indeed.

an ATS that's willing to put itself out there and give that information to the marketplace and say, "Indeed And number two, they're sick and fucking tired of Indeed. That's what it is. opportunities to be able to get away from the dark arts of bullshit that you have to deal with, with Indeed Not so good for job boards probably, in the long run, and not good for Indeed, but hell, the market is MBO Partners actually put out a study, and more than half of full-time independent workers say that they

get, you know, I had a, you know, had a drop it just with a buzzword, I'm now including some search index And Sean Fanny and a company called Napster built kind of an index that allowed me to, you know, to index not like we just have to search every single YouTube video out there and to help create kind of that index So the ads that you see all over the web and other bulletin and boards, Indeed and other destination I'm trying to attract people to my company, it's not just what the listing looks like on Monster and Indeed

, if I had to make, I guess, a job board comparison for listeners, to me, this is a little bit like Indeed Most interestingly though, Indeed's co-founder Paul Forster is also an investor. However, however, my gut says, Paul Forster co-founder of Indeed is a really savvy guy who really knows

have like a Chrome extension or if you go on LinkedIn or if you're in Germany, you go on seeing.com or Indeed You see the ZipRecruiter's of the world or the Indeeds of the world who are trying to somewhat pivot

They've apparently scraped everyone from LinkedIn to Indeed to everybody for a billion profiles. they're gonna need 13 million just to fight, pay all the lawyers that they're gonna have to fight off Indeed

Like where does LinkedIn or maybe even an Indeed, which has a really big database, Rachel Dempsey (30

reason why GitHub really chose Microsoft, is that the vision there of how GitHub would be able to exist independently Indeed had a survey, I guess, of the top employers for millennials ... Then, you have Glassdoor, Indeed, and then you have ZipRecruiter sort of out there doing its own thing

Tom: Everyone was all upset about Randstad and Monster, like Indeed. I mean, come on, it's a staffing company that owns Indeed. I think Indeed was almost gonna, they were trying to corner their backyard and I think Google just was

And the benchmark that we used was Indeed. If a job seeker could go to Indeed and run a search and get their 10,422 matches and that took so many And they exceeded that, so if it's fast enough for Indeed's audience, it's fast enough for ours.

Chad: Aren't marketplaces like Uber Work, Upwork, Communo, Working Not Working, and Indeed You have encyclopedic knowledge of these things, but the fact remains that, for example, Indeed, what Indeed generally does is they'll try and attract people directly, so direct hires.

Indeed is launching some really stupid shit, but hell, at least they're trying. Indeed is now taking their market share in terms of the SMBs, they launched their own ATS, so I think

I think there's an opportunity for Indeed even to sort of make nice with some people. How many independent tech players are now left in the programmatic job advertising space and will they So some phones gotta be ringing off the hook for the last few independent programmatic solutions. Number three, Shopify is launching an assistant called Sidekick, whose CEO said it may finally give independent Give me a price breakdown between Indeed and all these other solutions."

Joel (7m 4s): And BMI for the layman is Chad (7m 7s): Body mass index. Joel (7m 9s): Okay. The more polite indeed is being more polite in saying, pay for this shit. The nice indeed, listen to us.

It was quote and the peasants know ai alone won't fix a thing indeed ai might not fix anything. needs just to make it all work and as Joel said before and we peasants know ai alone won't fix a thing indeed

I do read Indeed. I know Indeed own Glassdoor now, but to me is as long as you're monitoring it and you're understanding I mean, you mentioned Indeed. Indeed will tell you the have more reviews than Glassdoor. So do you pay attention to indeed and what's going on there? Ignore it. Okay.

of a formalized program because we know that the work that we do and the value we deliver is really independent You looked at a Glassdoor, you looked at Indeed and other sites and it seems to me like the game of monitoring And we're looking at Glassdoor reviews and responding and Indeed, and then there's, you know, there's

Indeed still sucks. that upskill and also test are getting well, well, in front of the old style career sites like the Indeeds