Europe never sleeps when it comes to employment, indeed. What's more? Everything indeed covered in ice. Joel (1m 51s): Oh yes. It's not StepStone, it's Indeed. Basically, they have LinkedIn as a competitor. They have Indeed as a competitor. There are plenty other more creative platforms as competitors. Levin (31m 27s): Indeed. Yeah, definitely.

Great recession plus indeed. And it, it. They had to sort of go indeed on it, put some backfill, so like go, go more indeed. And they couldn't out deed indeed, right? The cover band is never as good as the actual band. Joel Cheesman (28:49.038) I love that we're seeing so many big swings in the industry, whether it's Indeed

I mean, what period for agencies was indeed the toughest? Because Indeed's not playing the game. So, how dumb is Indeed for not playing the Google game? Joe: So, but in theory, right, Indeed is the largest. And obviously you see what Indeed's done, I think it was a smart move, right. Joe: By Recruit, not Indeed, right.

It's not that big of a deal, which is probably why job boards, unless you're named Indeed and can get That meeting included Indeed, Handshake and ZipRecruiter from our industry. Indeed, isn't helping the problem at all. Handshake you're not helping the problem at all. talked about them putting in, you know, salaries whether you like it or not good for Indeed. And I think companies like Indeed that take tactics to put salaries within job postings are a step in

We're over indexing on something. This is stupid. What what do you feel about that? So again, it another point of over-indexing where we have these platforms that are like jamming AI in And you have indeed indeed pausing their automated, you know, apply process as well. So if I had my way, you know, if I were running Indeed or LinkedIn.

AI-agent-enhanced machines that don’t require midnight dashboard crying sessions, incense burning, or last-minute Indeed Yes. 0:06:01.3 Chad Sowash: Also Indeed, the Indeed, uh, one on Reddit. That one's fun. We didn't even have zip codes on there, which is how all the job boards start indexing. So last year we weren't doing it at all, uh, but this year we're using, uh, Indeed, uh, smart sourcing So Indeed, uh, at $4 a credit, my goodness gracious.

Global adoption - Does video content even matter - Facebook is outspending Google on the jobs product - Indeed Joel: One of the advantages I see with Indeed and particularly their recent parent company buying Glassdoor Generally, and Indeed, will just brute force the shit out of somebody. Right now, as you said, Indeed is killing it. having all the jobs, you're talking about Facebook getting into the game big time, and not to mention Indeed

to this is, go figure, has to do with an industry power hungry economic hegemony, which we know is indeed that if mid-sized agencies don't work together to get a seat at the table, then they're already on Indeed's As Indeed demands agencies not to speak with each other and share details of their contract negotiations If they're talking about ads and jobs, they have bigger problems than kicking out LinkedIn and Indeed So I will never, whether it's Indeed, I plotted them when they went through this whole iteration of what

massive birthday shoutout to our loyal listeners, especially TA leader Terry Dewey, who slashed their Indeed We reduced our indeed spend, yes, so much over the last year, in part from following your tips. That's when indeed started ranking better than Brandon searches, like let's say Marriott Jobs, then the You could search on Google for Marriott Jobs and indeed would have the first few results. Chad Sowash (44:28.673) Yeah, they can you can push stuff into to to Indeed or what have you, but I mean

was known for the whole click IQ thing, which was a demand side programmatic platform that we sold to Indeed 03:59.81) And then it goes straight from that into working at in the belly of the beast, working at Indeed I don't know that Indeed would necessarily hire me on the normal circumstances, let's just say that. And this is something that indeed believes in a lot. know, it's one of the things that I really bought

It's one of the top sites with college students behind the indeed the mother of all job sites. So, everyone says indeed as their go to, and then followed by LinkedIn and then it's the Career Center If you know what you're looking for, you go to Indeed because that's where you're going to find all the And there were an essence working with sites like indeed sip recruiter and a bunch of other niche sites Roberto: Indeed. Joel: Career who?

You can look at LinkedIn, indeed, all your search engines out there and you will find AAA Mountain West

With over 20 million monthly users, no doubt, Indeed is shaking in their little booties right now. Back in 2009, Sam became the Alliances Director over at Indeed, and at the time, I was the number two And we had an alliance with thousands of sites like Indeed, who actually built their job search content So the ATS could see where the candidate was coming from all the way to hire, then we noticed that Indeed His Indeed background to me was worth checking out just alone.

The round included participation from Workday Ventures, Twilio Ventures, and you ready for this Indeed And he's assembled a crew that I think any company, especially if you're talking about Indeed, if they Joel (23m 23s): And it's so rarely happens that I think it's worth noting that Indeed has put money on Joel (26m 54s): And Indeed Glassdoor Simply Hired India. Maybe more interesting than that as well is the future of sites like Glassdoor, Indeed, and others.

It's Indeed. We spend so much money, so much time figuring out are we gonna use Indeed? So we go through every quarter, pull the themes from Glassdoor and Indeed, 'cause those are our main

Lieven (13:23.107) Indeed, Chad (13:23.214) Those are probing issues. I'm sure Paul Forster, former indeed a founder enjoyed that acquisition, but it was probably not the Portugal indeed. But then again, indeed, it's like socially unacceptable these days to sneeze during a meeting.

And then we utilize Indeed. I do all my advertising with some exceptions for XML scrapes.

Lieven (13:23.107) Indeed, Chad (13:23.214) Those are probing issues. I'm sure Paul Forster, former indeed a founder enjoyed that acquisition, but it was probably not the Portugal indeed. But then again, indeed, it's like socially unacceptable these days to sneeze during a meeting.

Joel: You mentioned AI being a hot topic, and yes, it indeed has. John Graham: Yes.

Two of our favorite companies, Recruit Holdings, parent company to Indeed Glassdoor and also Zip Recruiter Emi B (37:24.842) I what I would say, I'm surprised that recruit holdings, like you said, who own Indeed So I think the indeed recruit holdings was a little bit of financial engineering. they're probably getting a little more out of each job. but their forecast, was negative. so I think indeed Indeed, another job search sites already put what they think is a pay range for the jobs that they have

Spoiler alert: Indeed's probably not losing a lot of sleep over it, but if employers don't want jobs If you, if you had quote, it'll look like Indeed Circa 2008. Well, you've, you win. Because it looks just like indeed Circa 2008 reviews of the new job board. They're going to beat the shit out of, mark my words, the LinkedIns and the the Indeeds because they're And indeed today no one gets fired.

Megan Radigan, and many ETA practitioners who aren't going to fall for the banana in the tailpipe that Indeed Chad (07:54.306) So again, shout out to all those TA leaders like Megan who aren't falling for the indeed You know, look at what Indeed did with Simply Hired and everything that they've done. search because their duration based newspaper forward revenue was still strong until it wasn't and indeed And I think that's the big key is we went to Indeed, which was broad based, monster broad based, career

internet, looking for a job, searching for a job, I need a new job, all of those conversations are indexed source all of these channels that you have before you ever put that out on the public internet, on Indeed They put it on fucking Indeed. I don't go to Indeed, I don't go to LinkedIn, I don't use those tools because I don't believe those jobs

Chad: Like Indeed, if they wanted to, I'm not saying they do 'cause I doubt they do, if Indeed came to Adam Posner: Independent contractors. Joel: We aren't bought by anybody.

Indeed is fantastic. Glassdoor for your reviews.

I was talking to a former Indeed exec last year, late last year. And I was talking about just what's the biggest threat to Indeed? What do you see? I think we just talked to Apkast's foreman, Chris Foreman, and he said the greatest threat to Indeed So unless Recruit Holdings comes in and adds them as a third leg to the Indeed, Glassdoor triad. Look, I think a lot of companies have figured out if I'm on LinkedIn, and indeed, I'm covering 80% of

I think Indeed, remember they had an investor, a little private equity action. I'm predicting there'll be more efficiency at Indeed here at some point. Chad: Remember when Indeed said they were going to have an applicant tracking system? media, major media outlet in the country and say, unless you pay us, you're not going to be able to index Chad: Indeed. Joel: Letting Indeed and SimplyHired and everybody else index their stuff.

33.344) And I think that's my experience as hiring someone on my team the month before is there is like Indeed , for example, Indeed will create a resume for you from your profile. the group or the, yeah, it wasn't the group of individuals I was looking for that were coming in from Indeed

Yeah, I read about it indeed. The glasses were to woke for Trump or something. It was a full house indeed. Joel Cheesman (27:48.91) Full house there. So that's indeed that's bullshit. It was a full house indeed. Joel Cheesman (27:48.91) Full house there. So that's indeed that's bullshit.

Indeed, HiBob, Fountain, Paradox, Remote were there but very subtle booths. [laughter] Indeed had one of the banners that hung from the ceiling, the rafters. Chad: I heard from a little listener that Indeed is backing away from their mandatory salaries on their We're gonna continue to watch this space, but Indeed might possibly be backing away from their salary Well, a lot of them just use the Indeed built in ATS or they'll use the ZipRecruiter or whatever.

And then we also have traffic coming through Indeed. But those are our top two sources. I mean, it's small, we get a little bit, but not, not near as much as, uh, straight organic and Indeed Indeed. So, like, who? Smith? [laughter] 0:12:49.1 Joel Cheeseman: Subtle.

Ritu Mohanka: Indeed, a qualified individual. Ritu Mohanka: Yes, indeed.

This is what happened with Indeed when they launched Indeed Flex. we would have to stop collaboration with job ads because then it would be the same thing like with Indeed The company launched in 2022 uses AI to help businesses engage with independent marketing talent. and

Joel: The Chad and Cheese understand the current vulnerability of Indeed and a market that is crying

Elon says get back in the office, Recruit Holdings of Indeed and Glassdoor fame embrace women (in a good Joel (23m 0s): Well, speaking of non assholes, your best, your best new friend Chad, Indeed and Recruit This is from Reuters, Indeed and Glassdoor owner Recruit Holdings based in Japan, says it wants to have And again, another thing that Indeed Recruit Holdings has done, right? What I did find interesting though is Rony Cohan founder of Indeed is the only foreigner on their board

And by the way, if you haven't checked out our latest interview, Future Jerks with Indeed or by Indeed Indeed scrapes. Chad (17m 10s): Nobody wants to push away Indeed in Google. But what would've happened if this was enacted back in the day when Indeed was just a little baby aggregator Number two, King Kong gets a Godzilla, maybe Indeed or Slack or Twitter or Google or whoever you want

And I can only imagine the executives at ZipRecruiter or Indeed or anyone that's competing in this space I like to describe them as a poor man's Indeed, or a poor man's Simply Hired. They're just a shell for Indeed content. But anyway, Juju has been around for a long time. They've been sort of a nice business charging lower per click than, say, an Indeed or another competitor , and when we have people like Ism's CEO saying that he's seen a 30% decrease in Indeed traffic since

And Indeed has done a good job of gobbling up a lot of those alternatives. Could they be a tenth of the size of Indeed? Sure. Could they be 20% of Indeed? Sure. Chad: Well, just like Indeed. Does Indeed say job site? We don't want your entire Indeed spend, give us half of it." They've said you're not putting our jobs on Indeed.

As such, it's no surprise this week the boys are talking about - Indeed suffocates Glassdoor - Jobvite Chad (20m 39s): So it's, it's very interesting because, you know, we've seen indeed make these types So this, this isn't something that's foreign for us when we're talking about indeed and indeed Joel ( You could also put the indeed on glass door, I guess that doesn't really matter. police Joel (23m 55s): yep get used to indeed and pray for Google for jobs.

Indeed, the number one job search site in America recently said, we're doing pay transparency. We've heard and seen notably a lot of companies do it because they don't want Indeed to just throw in Do you guys have any inkling or data around what has happened with salaries in posting since Indeed made legislation today, and obviously the EU broadens that globally, so I don't know anything about with Indeed's

So a tweet from cofounder of indeed Paul Forrester. Got you all been out of shape this week. So Paul Forrester really is the guy, him and Ronny who made Indeed, you know, what it is today. I mean, the culture of indeed is very, very much that of what Paul wanted it to be. So anyway, Paul puts out a tweet talking about 15 years ago, the indeed space and now the new indeed Indeed.

"Last week I said Indeed should sponsor Spaceballs 2... and this week I'm starting to think that Recruit I don't know how we have to always talk about these assholes in indeed. So apparently so apparently Japan Fair Trade Commission are investigating indeed's parent company recruit Now last week I said indeed should sponsor Spaceballs too, the movie, the sequel.

Chad: So that being said, so that being said, what about indeed because indeed did give everything away for free, pretty much right out of the Gates. I would think you know, the first test would be can they sell it to their sister company Indeed

Lieven (08:28.878) Indeed. Lieven (10:28.558) And I was there last year and it was amazing indeed. We talked about the news on last week's show entitled quote bullhorn strikes back and indeed end quote

Like, how about startup Otta receiving investment from an Indeed cofounder, or ZipRecruiter unleashing Interestingly angel investors include Indeed's co-founder Paul Forrester. Alex Bouaziz of Deel. Chad (30m 5s): Indeed. Yeah. Joel (30m 5s): Yeah. The second one was Indeed, oh, wait a minute, one place to see all the jobs. Oh shit. Chad (36m 15s): There's so much more competition for Zip and Indeed and LinkedIn.

I mean, even indie game world kind of takes advantage of this to a certain extent. We have LinkedIn and Indeed. If you're hiring in any very particular industry, for example, I'm hiring in indie gaming. All my, of the five people, four people we've hired for the team in the last year work with Indy sent I agree with you that the, LinkedIn indeed problem exists, but there are big players.

I'm mostly punk and indie bands. That's that's my bag I have a dog of a labradoodle. And then a few weeks later, indeed she was laid off. You mentioned the declining number of jobs on platforms like indeed.com. The data we saw from the Indeed was showing that fewer people are looking for work in HR.

You have Indeed that's very dominant in France. But Indeed succeeded in becoming the biggest one so why couldn't StepStone do it? has a bunch of countries and there are still so many small local initiatives, which stay bigger than Indeed You also have Indeed, you have Glassdoor, the global one, but Meteojob is holding and StepStone never So why did Indeed succeed? Probably because they had a better, bigger, and a better business model.

zero people coming in from them and this is quite a big client, but anybody who wants to challenge Indeed it's about accelerating our US growth in scale to help us create a genuine alternative to the likes of Indeed Then again, Indeed still gets most of its Traffic or used to from people typing in Google. So yeah. And Adzuna gives you a lot more wiggle room to do stuff outside of work, if you want too much, like Indeed positioning themselves in Europe or especially in the Benelux countries as to challenger brand for Indeed

Businesses in our space - notably Indeed, Upwork and Fiverr - keep abandoning Mother Russia in favor It won't be a Fast Company's last mistake if it is indeed a mistake. Well, just this week, Indeed disabled their Russian site and also disabled all jobs from Russian military So this is a shout out to Indeed. Thanks for joining the party. Chad (6m 48s): That's awesome. No disrespect to Adzuna or Indeed who pulled out of Russia.