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Indeed Cautionary Tales
Chad and Joel reunite to dissect recruitment tech’s chaotic push toward automation. They dive into flawed employer metrics, Indeed’s algorithmic shifts, pre-apply AI risks, and the return of career sites. In an industry rushing to "move fast and break things," Chad warns: "Just because you can doesn't mean you should... the first ones that get there are the ones with arrows in their face."
Chad Sowash
Jul 17


Hire Fast or Lose w/ Josh Secrest
Abercrombie meets Big Macs as Chad & Cheese roast Paradox’s Josh Secrest over frontline hiring.
Speed Wins: Average hiring takes 16 days; tech does it in 3.5. Candidates apply to 25 jobs at once fastest text back wins.
Stop Burning Money: If a hire quits before the 31-day break-even point, you paid for them to leave.
Free the Managers: Stop wasting 12 hours a week on interview trivia.
Chad Sowash
Jul 14


Korn Ferry Swallows AMS, Handshake Grabs Uplimit
Korn Ferry just swallowed up RPO powerhouse AMS, while early-career network Handshake acquired AI-skilling platform Uplimit.
Joel Cheesman
Jul 10


Hiring Became Our Edge w/ Kristen Reilly
How do you hire 3,000 seasonal coaches in just 6 weeks? Kristen Reilly, SVP of Talent at Elevo Learning, joins Chad & Cheese to share her team's incredible tech turnaround. By replacing manual grunt work with conversational AI, Elevo flipped their Day 1 staffing from 34% to 96% and sent recruiter happiness from a 16 to a 68 EMPS. Stream "Hiring Became Our Edge" now!
Chad Sowash
Jul 7


Ageism in Tech: Dan Lyons on ‘Disrupted,’ Silicon Valley & Toxic Culture
Dan Lyons, journalist and writer for HBO’s Silicon Valley, joined a tech startup at 52 and quickly discovered he was "ancient" in an industry worshiping youth. Facing blatant ageism, Dan delivers hilarious, brutal truths. Author of Lab Rats, he breaks down toxic work culture, burnout, and why companies treat employees like disposable kids. An eye-opening look at whether experience still has value.
Joel Cheesman
Jul 3


Your Best Hire Already Left w/ Gustavo Serbia
Chad and Joel sit down with Gustavo Serbia, CHRO at Hair Cuttery Family of Brands. Managing 6,000 stylists is a high-drama, hyper-competitive game. Discover how they used Paradox to smash hiring times from 17 days down to 3 , gamified commissions with a custom app , and harnessed AI to build instant funnel analyses.
Tune in to the AI series now! We out!
Chad Sowash
Jun 30


The Snapchat & Anthropic Hype Machines
Cup Chaos: Portugal wakes up while England ties. Chad hates corporate hydration breaks.
Tech Fails: Snapchat's $2K glasses are a $3B boat anchor. Anthropic hypes AI like a superweapon.
The New Malls: Data centers are being overbuilt just like 80s malls.
Ghost Hunting: NY bans fake ghost jobs.
Wild Perks: Emi got a blow-up doll; Chad hit a strip club with his religious boss.
Chad Sowash
Jun 26


Startup Debate: Skills-Based Hiring w/ Maya Huber & Phuong Vu
Resumes are dead, and AI makes it too easy to fake skills on paper. In this episode, Chad Sowash hosts a debate on the future of hiring:
Phuong Vu (Telexa) argues for "skills-first" models focused on human adaptability and real evidence.
Dr. Maya Huber (TaTiO) says ditch applications entirely have candidates try out the job via live simulations first. Listen now.
Chad Sowash
Jun 23


Indeed's AI Bias Machine
HR’s most dangerous podcast is back! Chad, JT, and Lieven tackle Indeed’s new AI sourcing assistant, exposing it as a compliance clusterfuck that invents its own hiring rules. Plus, a massive Stanford study proves job seekers are being blacklisted across competing firms by broken assessment algorithms. Finally, they talk $2/hr robot trainers and Zuck’s corporate pizza party fixes. Listen and subscribe!
Chad Sowash
Jun 19


Busting Drug Cartels w/ Jack McFarland Former DEA
High-stakes HR meets the DEA! 32-year veteran Jack McFarland talks about recruiting "Muppets" and mercenary informants, surviving 30-page typed applications, and his wild audition for The Traitors. Plus, a look at mandatory retirement at 57 and corporate ageism. It’s HR sprinkled with coke, crack, and grass. Listen now!
Chad Sowash
Jun 16


Indeed Goes For The Kill
This week on HR’s most dangerous podcast, Chad, Mo, and Lieven tackle Indeed’s sneaky play to squeeze out recruiting agencies , an age-bias lawsuit putting IBM in hot water , and the fraudulent "job slop" infiltrating ChatGPT’s new search tool. Plus, Meta forces staff to train the AI meant to replace them. Tune in for big tech drama, corporate dystopia, and an awful binary dad joke. Listen at chadcheese.com!
Chad Sowash
Jun 12


Marriott Hiring: 2 Weeks to 3 Days w/ Meghan Rhatigan
Chad & Joel grill Marriott’s Meghan Rhatigan on hiring 200k global workers. Trapped with a "fat funnel" and hiring managers taking 2 weeks to schedule interviews, Meghan snuck Paradox past legal by calling it "automation" instead of AI. Process dropped to 3 days! Plus, she’s weaponized a 5M candidate CRM and shaded peers stuck crying, "But we have Workday..." We out.
Chad Sowash
Jun 9


Job Slop by Google & OpenAI
The Chad & Cheese Show Notes: Joel-Free June! Chad holds down the fort with Emi Beredugo & JT O'Donnell. This week: Stepstone boots its CEO, JobGet buys Ripple Match, & George Larocque warns that standalone point solutions are dead. Plus, Julie exposes the Job.com grift, Zuck docks his superyacht post-layoffs, OpenAI Job Slop & an AI accent fail. Catch us at Recfest! Free swag at chadandcheese.com/free. We out!
Chad Sowash
Jun 5


7-Eleven: 24-7 AI Hiring
How do you hire 110k people a year without losing your mind? Rachel Allen, TA Director at 7-Eleven, automated 95% of the grind. Time-to-hire dropped from 10 days to under 3! Hear Chad & Joel talk AI chatbots named "Rita", hijacking corporate marketing shipments, and the myth of robots taking over. Grab a Slurpee and tune in!
Chad Sowash
Jun 2


Stepstone Automation Bias Machine
Chad and Joel are back on HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast to roast the tech elite. Workday beat revenue goals, but their stock is still flushed because a weak-ass board panicked over AI buzzwords. Meanwhile, Indeed’s new automated tools are spamming employers with fake applications. From Stepstone’s EU compliance lies to Pope Leo dropping shade on AI, the budget-sucking corporate matrix is crumbling. We out!
Chad Sowash
May 29


AI Answered 1.8m Questions w/ Patti Tabris
Patti Tabris of ResultsCX joins Chad and Cheese to reveal how AI transformed their global hiring. By deploying "Olivia," an AI assistant that answered 1.8M questions, she boosted assessment completion from 30% to 90%. Learn how she cut application times to under 6 minutes and automated 100,000 interviews to let recruiters focus on the human side of the job.
Chad Sowash
May 26


Monopoly Pricing Power, Indeed
Joel and J.T. break down the staggering down-sizing trends hitting Meta and LinkedIn, contrasting those cuts with the massive, expectation-shattering earnings report just released by Recruit Holdings, the parent company of Indeed and Glassdoor.
Joel Cheesman
May 22


Ace Hardware: Differentiate or Die
Ace Hardware’s Stef Nikitas and Kaleigh Burns join Chad & Cheese to reveal "Project Hurricane," the overhaul that scaled their TA budget from $500k to $4M. Learn how "Grace," their AI bot, automates scheduling so recruiters can focus on being human. From 2-minute apps to surviving a 10-day tech blackout , see how a 100-year-old brand wins the talent war.
Chad Sowash
May 19


Hiring, We Have a Problem: AI
Grab a beverage for a special "just us girls" episode featuring Joel Cheesman and Maureen “Moe” Clough. This week, the duo delivers a light-hearted yet substantive look into worker backlash against artificial intelligence and today's brutal hiring market.
Joel Cheesman
May 15


2,400 Locations, Only 1 AI w/ Mark Gibson
How do you hire for Applebee’s, Taco Bell, and Planet Fitness with only six recruiters? Mark Gibson from Flynn Group joins Chad & Cheese to reveal "Frankie"—the AI assistant doing the heavy lifting for 2,400+ locations. From waking up to a million applicants to turning recruiters into media buyers and using TikTok for Gen Z talent, it’s a masterclass in scaling without the soul-crushing admin.
Chad Sowash
May 12


iCIMS Shuffles, Phenom Splurges, & Greenhouse Gets Fashionable
Is iCIMS facing a final fire sale? Chad and Joel break down the "CFO takeover" and Phenom's latest "psychobabble" acquisition. Plus, Greenhouse buys Ezra AI to "look fashionable," and J.T. O'Donnell reveals LinkedIn's $450M AI secret. "Who’d You Rather" returns with a birthday showdown! HR’s most dangerous podcast is back.
Chad Sowash
May 8


Talent Disruption Through the Ages w/ Jeff Taylor
Founder Jeff Taylor joins The Chad to discuss returning to the "shit show" of recruitment with Boomband. He reveals why Monster passed on buying LinkedIn for $304M in 2003 and how his iconic Super Bowl ad drove 700% more traffic. Taylor compares today’s AI wave to the 1997 dot-com bubble and plans to disrupt the industry again by mapping 175M workers.
Chad Sowash
May 5


Personio Stays Home
Personio hit Q1 2026 profit but lacked transparency, choosing a "stay home" move over a "go big" moment. Tech giants are firing staff to fund AI. The UK outpaces the US in healthcare and leave. Palantir faces ethical backlash , Nomad Health pivots to software , and LinkedIn gets a new CEO to survive AI.
Chad Sowash
May 1


The Spy Who Recruited Me w/ Jim Lawler
Jim Lawler joins Chad and Cheese to explain how the CIA recruits. Forget LinkedIn; Jim uses MICE: Money, Ideology, Coercion, and Ego. He targets the miserable because "happy people" don't commit treason. From stopping nuclear networks to sitting on $1B in gold, Jim proves HR is easy compared to convincing a diplomat to kick his boss in the face.
Chad Sowash
Apr 28
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