And AI is turning sourcing as a platform into a feature. we've talked about, I think a few times on the podcast, since we started talking a lot about generative AI So big winners for the new investment because of integrations with AI. into the aspects, different aspects And they at least are doing things with AI and trying to get beyond just being an ATS, but it's a, it's Delta Airlines up 26 % year to date. United Airlines up 31 % year to date.

Lastly, PaintJet takes aim at the $175 billion painting industry by taking people out of the equation When I thought painting robots, I thought you give it a building, it goes, it scans it, it does AI and But do you really need AI for that? They're talking about AI and I'm like, this looks like a no AI necessary. I don't get it.

the quandary for companies is Turing, who - by the way - has already raised $153 million to cure what ails And when I was in college, like in my sophomore year, I started reading up about AI and machine learning If you are open AI, again, one of our customers, you might care about security. platforms like Turing, they get to work with companies like Johnson & Johnson, Rivian, Coinbase, Opening AI And if you're looking to hire front end, backend, mobile, AI, data science DevOps developers, push a

And we sit on top of this ETS or CRM as an AI powered communication layer. Aida (9m 15s): Sure. Aida (10m 3s): Sure. Are you turning your AI and your machine learning onto that data to predict the hire and retention rates Thanks Aida! And we out. Joel (-): We Out Aida (15m 32s): Thank you.

Gareth wraps up with insights on tech's fast pace and how AI and low-code might democratize the future So it's not just about a little bit of band -aid or something over here to make this bit of the process Well, we're in the age of the GPU and generative AI, so tech is moving much faster than it was. Gareth Marlow (34:27.424) of another one, both with the AI technology and our ability to just quickly

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Chad (36m 55s): Yes Joel (36m 56s): San Francisco based Since announced the launch of their platforms, AI Is AI chat bot better than conversational AI, by the way? I don't know. It's like a hybrid of chat bot and conversational AI. And when is Chadcheese.com getting our own Chadbot or is that AI chad bot or chad bot? So I think we're seeing now the variation of we call DEI the new AI, because everybody wanted to have

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make all that happen. 0:06:13.7 Chad: So, let's talk about this kids 'cause everybody's saying that AI So what do you say to those people when they say, well, AI is gonna take all those jobs? 'Cause you gotta get a fingerprint at the airport. You get a badge from there. I think for us it's how we wanna embrace AI is gonna be the question. That's what I'm looking at, is to use AI to make us better people, better employees, and to be counted

You ain't seen nothing yet. Yeah, so New York City had this wonderful law that they were putting in place around AI decision-making I mean, all of 2020 DEI B was the new ai. You heard it all over the place. telemedical platform, electronic health records, mobile and web-based solutions for patients and the medical AI JC: This is less AI to me than it is augmentation.

customers are asking us very, very specific details about how will this chatbot, this conversational AI recruiters have no confidence in most of the technology that's out there today, which means the new AI Thom: The dating app is using AI and machine learning. When we look at chatbots, conversational AI, email campaigns, social campaigns, whatever it is, there So you create a really good engagement with a conversational AI tool like Emerson and that takes the

We're working on a bias report right now, reducing bias in HR using AI.

So I run niche job boards in Web3, crypto and soon AI, and at the same time, I consult companies in the around topics like SE optimization, Google jobs optimization, job classification with machine learning, AI Alexander Chukovski: Well, I mean, Bing had a nice jump in performance during the whole generative AI

Joel (23m 20s): So we talk a lot about the show on the show about AI and artificial intelligence and Or what, where, where do you stand on sort of AI tools to take away the bias and recruiting? When you're talking about, you know, AI that really looks at surface level things like, for example, Albrey (24m 24s): So it becomes very, a kind of a tough game to trust a piece of AI, to be able to tell So there's this in an AI, wouldn't be able to do that in AI.

terms of, oh, we need to watch that, whether it's TikTok or some social media or we hear a lot about AI

Joel Cheesman (34:41.038) Chat GPT and AI, which I've said this for a while, really replaces the need It's much more intuitive to go to your favorite AI solution and say, what's it like to work at GM and So people are, are probably not going to the site in droves that they were, they're using AI and other They're a sponsor. go, I mean, we do the AI sessions with those guys. So if you go to AIM Group , if you're not subscribed to AIM Group, you should do that.

To learn more about Sovren AI matching visit sovren.com. That's s-o-v-r-e-n.com. Chad: ... at the TAtech AI summit. And AI, I think wrapped into that and we're hearing ... And AI is obviously thrown out. Get on the AI bus. All is not rosy for Facebook, however, my friend.

We know that these "AI solutions" are really decision trees. automation, "AI" on a regular basis and really talk about employment in a really different way. Number two, decision tree/AI. So, you're starting to see companies pivot and they're pivoting more toward machine learning AI. So I love that we talk about AI, we talk about robots, and the only reason we do is because it's out

Combine the power of AI and the human touch. Jobvite, recruit with purpose, hire with confidence. You and I aren't smart enough to know what Nvidia is doing here, or what the AI is doing. But damn, AI is quickly becoming scary smart. I mean, damn. Chad: Yeah. Well, and Nvidia says work like this shows how AI will be used for game design in the future. Developers can input their work into the AI and use it to create variations or maybe design new levels

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basically, you know, search employees Twitter accounts, social media accounts, and sort of with their AI The other thing I would bring up is AI and every AI company that, that Chad and I talked to all talk about how AI is the you know, the pan of the panacea of unbiased recruiting. That's why so many AI companies got into the BI world and then just kind of like messed it up because And so I kind of feel the same way about this, like the AI isn't right, then you probably end up with

But we have built into some pretty cool AI machine learning capabilities inside that. Chad: You talked some about AI, which obviously you have some experience in working Anoop: So the first thing I would say is AI is a term that is, I believe, overused. So all of that is AI and it is useful in surfacing candidates, though I would never de-emphasize the Because the consequences if you don't identify what is AI and what is human and what we might reveal,

You know, like with our culture council work with Intellum's birthday, we were able to use Canva and AI Yeah, there's AI for that. So leveraging that as much as we can.

Is it the AI4Jobs app or is it This Way Global, first off? Angela Hood: Yeah, it's AI4Jobs app. So This Way is a AI matching company, we match other things. But our platform for HR is AI4Jobs. So I have the AI4Jobs app. So Angela, my last question, in what industries are you seeing quick adoption when it comes to using AI Angela Hood: A lot of data and AI related jobs and I would say defense and security clearance jobs is

Joel (11m 52s): I expected him to be in like some side room where he was talking about, you know, AI You're focused much more on the go hire the go be the chat conversational ai. Like what do you see as the landscape for conversational ai/chatbots? Since 2001, Textkernel has been delivering AI power technology to companies looking to better connect AI empowered recruiting is powerful recruiting, which is why top employers trust PandoLogic.

51s): So I'm not surprised you said video, but I am a little surprised you didn't say conversational AI And what do you think about conversational AI as a competitor? Darrian (11m 19s): Yeah. So if you mean he like conversation AI yeah In the terms of like chat and text-based forms. Yeah. It's up in the air in terms of the next stage of funding. And so I would say, expect to see, you know, more applications of, you know, data science, AI, NLP, things

The startup develops AI compatible of detecting emotional state and personalities. Creepy. Emocional will use the funds to improve and optimize their AI models, which will work with super computing And also, like you said, it's creepy AI and emotions and me, it just doesn't get along too well.

Chad: Yeah, but Ben, I mean, this is something that is contextual and we all know that AI is not where Chad: So I guess from our standpoint, because we work with AI companies all of the fucking time, so we Ben: And in the cases where we are absolutely always trying to improve our AI and to take that step of I see why the AI thought that this was bigotry or something like that. There wasn't a incumbent that we were replacing that was using AI to inform the background screening

Let's look with technology and, you know, the show and, and who we talked to, we talked to a lot of AI And on one hand, AI is a panacea for unbiased recruiting companies in Sweden are building actual robots And then on the other side, we have, we have Amazon who had an AI hiring system that they shut down because So where do you stand on AI and, and having a bias recruiting? But for me, the danger with relying on tech or AI is that it doesn't allow positive action.

It's incredibly important, don't get me wrong, is there a way, especially seeing the new generative AI But going back to conversational AI, we're not opposed to it. We had billboards around that said 25 years of not fixing what ain't broke. Like, it works.

You've got the Kool-Aid baby. Joel (7m 35s): I'm gonna give 'em a little spanking this weekend. last week and the week after, I wasn't on and you weren't on, and only our voices are trained for the ai Sapia is Paradox down under, providing conversational AI to Fosters chugging Aussies everywhere. Turns out Amazon has quietly been developing AI software to screen job applicants known internally as Now unlike the biased AI of Old Chad, the new stuff apparently works just fine.

It's same as it ever was to some extent, but it's more exciting because of all the AI aspects of it. AI cannot replace... Chad: No. Joel: What happened last night to us. Chad: No. Joel: Specifics, EOC, AI, big data. You and I are headed out to the airport today.

She didn't meet, she was talking about AI kids. She, this is our secretary of fucking education. Don't try and bullshit your way through AI. Okay. Do your research. 04.396) where we have HR and TA practitioners talking about how they're actually using automation and AI Those are air quotes listed on the sender. for that $6,000 payment to O'Brien. Adzuna, a job search engine that Brits know very well, has launched Apply IQ, some Americans do, an AI

the centralized database and you could be audited, not to mention you can't use machine learning or AI I think the next argument will be text versus automation, chatbots, AI, et cetera. You decide exactly how our AI matching engine thinks about each individual transaction. To learn more about Sovren AI Matching, visit sovren.com. That's S-O-V-R-E-N.com. Chad: We talk about AI machine learning, and you want some AI to actually power- Chad

out like reality TV And just for extra chaos: AI agents ghosting resumes Slack messages promoted to with AI machine learning technology to simplify the hiring process and deliver greater value. authenticate themselves, provide the data, provide the evidence all the time, ongoing basis, and the AI So when you're talking to, uh, the computer, you're actually using whatever it is, the AI. Number six, aiding and abetting breach of fiduciary duty.

, people suddenly saying, screw this, I've discovered what's really important to me in life, and it ain't And then I think consumer -grade gen AI then accelerated that even further. need to go outside for some of these new capabilities, particularly in data and digital intelligence, AI

Joel (22:01.292) Yeah, I'm really intrigued by the whole, generative AI business and how that, how job And I got to think if the New York times can do a deal with open AI to be like a new source for their I mean, if indeed isn't on the phone to some of these services perplexity and open AI and grok and whatever Shit ain't going to go to market because there's nobody to fucking do the fields and do the hard work

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Thanks to predictive algorithms, machine learning and AI Buzzword, overdose alert. Yeah. They're AI enabled algorithms use over 48 job attributes and more than 200 billion historical job performance Chad (14m 0s): Jerry Joel has a problem understanding conversational AI, can you help him understand? Can you help him understand the difference between conversational AI and just a plain old chat bot? I mean, I think that it's pretty obvious both Chad and I are, are fans of this conversational AI, there

failed experiments related to their tech and primarily because they try to build stuff in-house and have AI Microsoft, in case you hadn't heard, gave ChatGPT in the open AI initiative $1 billion. And I know we've been talking about AI, I feel like all 17 years we've known each other. I assume that we'll be seeing rewrite your job descriptions with AI, rewrite resumes with AI. You're gonna see some really good stuff come down the pike in 2023 in terms of AI, voice recognition,

WorkLik is a video-based job platform that aims to improve the candidate experience and connect job seekers Most of these products and the solutions that we're seeing are actually aimed at the employer and they It's an AI, it's our own language that we've built where it basically continuously learns and boost jobs helpful for the candidate to land a job, you know, in some cases it's been fluffed up by generative AI There's an AI component that can create the job post for you.

actually put out on their blog that they believe AllyO is the perfect example of what the value of real AI which I think is odd because the AllyO that we know is more of like a screen to match than actual like AI I think the AI component that we've been hearing about is coming to fruition. You decide exactly how our AI matching engine thinks about each individual transaction. To learn more about Sovren AI Matching, visit sovren.com.

It's to Signal AI. So as you read the article, you start to understand that Signal AI is actually demonstrating right out ThisWay Global another company that seemingly doing everything right announced this week that they aim Unleash, where we're going to be on the main stage with E O C commissioner Keith Sonderling talking about AI What is going to get you kicked in the nuts when it comes to AI and hiring?

Like for me, it was definitely every both or collateral piece had AI multiple times on it. Dawn: AI has been the sexy thing for the last four years. Joel: They're just saying, "Are you using Watson as your AI?" Oh, it's AI and its embedded in block chain. So, we talk about AI, let's say for instance sourcing and matching that kind of stuff.

about an Irish guy and an Italian, the fights are fantastic, there's all sorts of sparks flying in the air And so, there's an argument that says AI is gonna disrupt the need for human capital. An AI can't hammer a nail, or fix a toilet, or at least serve a good hot cup of coffee with a smile. Are we breaking some [0:35:57.3] ____ AI news here? [laughter] Joel: [0:35:57.4] ____.

talent faster and more efficiently than ever thanks to predictive algorithms, machine learning and AI And their AI enabled algorithms use over 48 job attributes and more than 200 billion historical job performance good degree of automation today, but I would say it's in the form of efficiency and not in the form of AI If you look at an AI company they're backing into virtual recruiting events and in our case, we have virtual recruiting event software and we're backing into some AI like features to make it more efficient

I agree, AI, a lot of technology can help with it, but it's still really complicated. To be able to have that data and as we take a look at generative AI and whatnot, being able to crunch Joel Cheesman: He put air quotes in there for the listeners. Nico Simko: Exactly.

talent faster and more efficiently than ever thanks to predictive algorithms, machine learning and AI And their AI enabled algorithms use over 48 job attributes and more than 200 billion historical job performance Cause you're an AI company and.ai is what you want to do. Like talk about how that happened. sort of initial criticism or skepticism was that, that the world is moving towards a more automation, AI Chad (30m 37s): Ones that are either conversational AI or they're really flushed when it comes to standardizing