Joel: Here's my Indeed prediction. Joel: Indeed chose not to be indexed. It wasn't Google. In fact, I wouldn't be shocked if Indeed acquiesces and says, "fuck it. We did a podcast with him kind of like a Indeed rumor podcast. I said I did it after Indeed. Chad: Oh that was an Indeed boo.

So, the ZipRecruiters, the Indeeds, the so on and so forth. , and I think some of your clients probably are, it's sort of basically putting Indeed on Google. Indeed is having their- Chad: I don't know that most people nowadays really- Joel: Joel: Indeed traffic. What's your Indeed five star? What's your CareerBliss?

Indeed. You gotta remember. So, Indeed, stop being dumbasses. You're on the naughty list. Joel: Naughty indeed. I'm on record that I'm not as down on Indeed as Chad is. Indeed, some of us, obviously not all of us, but some of us still believe in you. I think Indeed will do some dumb things, and some smart things, but I don't think they're irrelevant

This week, Google is out performing Indeed. So Indeed we just had a policy on staffing, right? I use that term loosely at Indeed. Here's what the definition is. Who the hell is Indeed to dictate terms on how that company does business Indeed can suggest best practices So Indeed can do whatever they want to do.

Joel: On this weeks show, we're talking about Indeed going off-line. But, at the end of the day, Indeed's not going to build a business off of that. So, go after it, Indeed. We're going to make fun of you, go after it. And I think Indeed sees this coming, they just don't know what the fuck to do. So, job sites, the Indeed's of the world.

They're basically Indeed. Indeed is turning into an old-timey job board with their new Ping-view model. Well, that's what Indeed is today. There clearly is a little bit of a window here, to say, "Look, Indeed is not focused. So this is your opportunity to be the new Indeed.

So let's go into that for the first one, Tim in 2019 predicting for 2020 said Indeed would cut UK organic Their best revenue stream jobs has been handed over to Indeed and Indeed has more reviews and will take So I think what we're seeing is indeed strangling Glassdoor with the pandemic happening. Instead of having Glassdoor jobs, they have Indeed Jobs. Talk Push and Vervoe that brings tech to them that Indeed doesn't even have.

Chad: Well yeah, 'cause he hates Indeed and Indeed really doesn't- Tim: I do not hate Indeed, that's just a vicious rumor. Tim: I don't understand, if I'm Google right and I decided not to index Indeed, You almost wanna throw Indeed into Glassdoor from that standpoint. You can have Indeed tech teams running underneath a Glassdoor brand.

A very close source, very close source to indeed tells me that a indeed marketing hates us. But to say something nice about indeed marketing the new ads pretty good indeed has much bigger issues Number two, who is Indeed's competition in that specific space? Right. Just the much nicer indeed. The more well-mannered indeed. Like Neuvoo is in a prime opportunity to build a brand as the anti indeed.

I mean we had first, out of the gate, Appcast was bought by Stepstone, ClickIQ, Indeed. Indeed never makes my nice list by the way. Just so everybody knows. Is Indeed on anyone's naughty list? Bill: No. I love ClickIQ, by the way. called the job quality index, which is for shit. #TMP #KRT #Recruitics #Perengo #Programmatic #PageUp #Clinch #StepStone #Appcast #Indeed #ClickIQ #Tengai

So he shared, "Tried to unsubscribe from an Indeed e-mail, spoiled for the choice." Chad: Then after smacking Indeed square in the face, Indeed comes back and says, " , well, that becomes kind of good for Indeed and ClickIQ. Chad: Well, and what is Indeed good at doing? , because Indeed just threw up that walled garden?

That's why and Indeed stole my shit. Good on them. Good on them, but mine is better. Our Chad and Cheese ugly sweater much better than the Indeed one. This year, earlier this year Indeed went full exclusion of job broad content. So it was a flip of Indeed saying screw you guys. We've seen Indeed you ramp up their review section.

Indeed? More like *Indeed Who?*. Joel (08:36.972) I think he's, said, indeed everybody indeed is going to suck it. So marketing jobs, Austin, you still see indeed at the top. Indeed, search result page just jobs. Maybe that's what Indeed is doing. Indeed is getting in front of the puck on this one.

One is that Indeed was in no way integrated with our ATS. I'm going to go post the job myself on Indeed. Our goal is to be like, we want to spend $0 on Indeed. I would like to ask you about Indeed. How is that differently doing that than Indeed?

Chad (24:38.538) indeed. Mm-hmm. So I don't rule indeed out. Now, will this kill Indeed? No. Will Indeed's control weaken? Most definitely. Now it's indeed. Well, one final word for indeed.

As much as we love Indeed, right? It's not a saver for Indeed and LinkedIn. In this case, Indeed sees that. Now, Indeed sees that's not the case, right? [laughter] Joel: Oh, Indeed. Oh, Indeed. Chad: There it is, kids. 2024 is over.

Or indeed, or some other job sites. So that was interesting to me. Indeed launched branded boost. This feature allows employers to add their logo to every Indeed job post, index job post, increasing So I have three thoughts on indeed's new branded boost. Uh, you're right. Um, so, so good, good job indeed. Um, The Chad (42:27.183) my god.

So even I know that indeed went back and forth with the decisions of working on like these models. Alex Fourlis (09:45.054) putting back as a client if you want access to Indeed Apply. Indeed and LinkedIn are like 80 % of all you need. And is it pretty much like they're trying to mimic indeed as indeed is trying to mimic them. That's going to be an advertiser as big as Indeed on a global scale, a publisher as big as Indeed on

And Indeed is looking to raise their prices. And the cost was about six times more from Indeed. index, get back in terms of advertising on Indeed. apply through Indeed, there is a really good chance that they'll choose Indeed to apply through Google But guess what, if Indeed isn't even playing, no one is going to Indeed to apply anymore.

She had worked for indeed, I think, for a little over 14 years. and strong Indeed growth. What's your take on earnings season at Indeed and Zip? It wasn't Indeed, Indeed didn't kill Monster and Career Builder. Indeed, had a lot of layoffs early this year.

A lovely cocktail, for sure, but is it enough to put Indeed out of business.

So about 3 years ago, again, no direct integration with Indeed, so we had all of our jobs feeding there land on a site like Indeed, they would click the apply button, that would redirect them to our career Apply experience for every one of our jobs so the candidate doesn't ever have to leave Indeed, they to Indeed? So just by saying, you don't have to leave Indeed, you don't have to leave LinkedIn, ZipRecruiter, I

more applications within the first three months with Joveo's push for clinical jobs than we got on Indeed [Chad Sowash] Is that because of distribution or because it managed Indeed better, or both? [Kaylene Williams] We have them managing our Indeed sponsorships, but also all of the other programmatic We lost the search engine optimization battle to Indeed. We lost candidates who went directly to Indeed instead of our applicant tracking systems.

Let's carve out some indeed time here, shall we? We talked about indeed went way too far. So this is what indeed can do. Zip recruiter cannot do that. I think if I was indeed, I would launch something like CPA right now. And indeed the whole package. Chad (33:25.571) Ha ha ha!

Indeed's Missteps: Finally, we touch on Indeed's recent controversies, including a disappointing Willy Well, Indeed, of course. When asked, she said, it was listed on Indeed. There's more from Indeed. I'm going to fix Indeed's problem. So Indeed needs to hire Kirsty Patterson and have her go to Indeed to find a better job and have her

There was even a number in Belgian newspapers indeed that one in three employees has the risk of having And indeed, like Steven was saying, I think the work connectivity and being more human even at work is Minna Melleri: Well, it is indeed very difficult for regulation to move as fast as technology. And that requires indeed different skills of our people, because they need to understand and they need But we have huge platforms like Indeed who allow multiple resumes, and those resumes are all tailored

Well, Joel, Indeed has been busy, kids. Uh, healthy budgets enforced. And then Jim, the Indeed Whisperer Durbin, sends us this. Whisperer, coming back with yet another story on Indeed. And I'm sure whatever Pencil Net Geek and Indeed said, look, if we lose 20%, big deal. My fear is that Indeed is doing something similar in trying to overtake the process.

You might remember Indeed beat everyone to the punch and owned Google results pages. For instance, if a job seeker searched "jobs for Marriott," Indeed would own that Google results page The candidate would apply to Indeed instead of Marriott, and Indeed sold those candidates back to Marriott If hiring companies don't start embracing job search on large language models, Indeed will keep capturing It's sad it's going away because now niche platforms are disappearing and candidates will go to Indeed

They're clicking on LinkedIn and Indeed and the corporate site? Is Indeed funneling a lot of folks from Google to Indeed? They do rank very well, but again, Indeed, Zip, they decimate all these results. And you already have your data on Indeed. You already have your profile. So if you're Indeed, not bad for you.

My shout out is to Indeed. Yeah, that's right. Indeed, as recruiters come up with average revenue per job posting and indeed's bid to continue squeezing Indeed's not. Indeed's not a lifestyle platform. Indeed is around for one purpose and one purpose only, shit, I need a job, right? Indeed is not the source of truth. Your website, your company is the source of truth.

Indeed's Automated Trainwreck: Indeed has rolled out an AI "Apply for Me" feature that uses automated Stepstone and Indeed News. Give us a hot take. Chad Sowash (30:44.046) my God. So the answer is stop leaning hard on companies like Stepstone and Indeed. For Indeed, we talked about this last week that the monopoly pricing power that Indeed has, I don't think And the duopoly is LinkedIn and Indeed. So Chad Sowash (36:18.956) Yes. Mistral.

So, it's the easy button from the applicant's side, because the easy button is they can go on Indeed Sonja Breuer: Well, so right out of the pandemic, we were spending—Indeed is not cheap. Indeed is very expensive. And— Chad Sowash: Aha! Sonja Breuer: You like that? You like that? Yeah, yeah, indeed, yes. And, you know, Indeed for us used to be quantity over quality. So, you don't have to go back to Indeed or what have you? What are you using for that?

Indeed drops the bots on me, baby. And who'd you rather let's do this. . but at the time they were a competitor with indeed. Is going to crush it and destroy LinkedIn and destroy indeed. We're going to put that on indeed. Your indeed account, plug it into your ATS and you're done. 

What's going on over at Indeed? But that kept you on Indeed. And by the way, Indeed pays programmatic companies to send traffic to Indeed. So they're paying. However, PPSA cannot be turned off for jobs index by Indeed or jobs posted directly on Indeed using a Apparently it is at Indeed.

Indeed. I think most likely indeed makes a call to K one. Indeed buys an ATS. Lieven (55:00.982) Nuts! No gray zone indeed. No gray zone. Indeed is drinking your fucking milkshake. Now. In my honest opinion, That's Indeed's plan.

Indeed finally hires a CTO (only took a 4 years) AI layoffs vs. But never at a company the size of Indeed. Indeed isn't a tech company. They're a staffing company with shitty tech. But what they have done is they were starting to use Indeed tricks. And the Indeed tricks are the black box pricing. So it's demand pricing.

Indeed, or Indeed, Indeed's really shitty at matching. Joel : I love that Indeed wasn't even in the show notes and they made it into the show. I'm sorry, Indeed. I tried one week to not have you guys be on. Here's my solution for Max. So Appcast is basically creating an Indeed pay-per-click model. Competitors like LinkedIn and Indeed fare better. Experts predict a buyout.

Chris Forman: So, Indeed, let's start with Indeed. Chad: Sure. [laughter] Chad: We gotta talk about Indeed first. Whether it's Indeed or it's somebody else, I truly don't care. And... We're the largest buyer of Indeed, I think in the United States. And so I get it. [overlapping conversation] Joel: Indeed we're generally critical, but yeah, Stepstone.

So in an episode in early November last year entitled, Google Reveals, Indeed Falls, & Labor Wins, Joel Google for Jobs, no matter what narrative Indeed or anyone else says, is putting a herding on the job And I'm sure some Indeed people would argue with that, but I don't think they could touch it. Indeed, just talking about their "new tech network" right? And Indeed did too. It's a type of work and it's a type of job board.

. 🏢 Indeed lays off 1,300 while Glassdoor’s CEO exits stage left. Indeed's last big layoffs in case you missed it. Indeed had a big booth, glass door, had a booth. Yeah, had a booth, right? Indeed was more job posting forward, right, but had reviews. Joel Cheesman (33:52.096) I agree with all that. mean, before Indeed even bought Glassdoor, Indeed employees

We get the real story behind Monster’s fall, how Indeed jacked the model, and why your résumé might as Indeed was the Google for jobs. It was a job search engine, right? And because I always had this Indeed, we had like 10,000 jobs, 20,000 jobs. We had a million jobs. And within a couple of months, they did the deal with Indeed. And that was the beginning of Indeed's ability to grow. They were already growing.

Chad (05:00.674) So my shout out goes to Indeed Flex. Yes. rival indeed and their indeed flex jobs are getting posted on LinkedIn, which that's not even the The best part is that talent.com another indeed rival is posting them. It's also interesting that we're not hearing this from Indeed. And we've been talking about indeed getting into staffing for quite a while now.

Indeed won the SEO game. They didn't need Super Bowl commercials until they did. Until they did. And then what are we seeing happening with Indeed? And we're seeing that from Indeed. Without the staffing company, Indeed would be in a very similar place, in my opinion. And then we saw Indeed move toward going to staffing and Bullhorn buys Textkernel.

Now, we're recording on a Monday for a Friday show, which means that OpenAI is going to acquire Indeed They're not going to know what to do with those people, even back in the day, so back in the day when Indeed and SimplyHired popped out, Indeed had maybe like, I don't know, 20 people, SimplyHired had like 100 Joel Cheesman: But again, Indeed's example, Indeed took 10 million, I think, total, SimplyHired took Yeah, indeed. Joel Cheesman: I mean, Scotland's a beacon of growth and innovation.

We talk about how Google has things that Indeed can't compete with. We've also had Indeed, Glassdoor layoffs. We've talked about LinkedIn layoffs. Indeed, they're playing the CPA game. Indeed kind of makes sense. Just shut it down. You'll kill a competitor or just... Just put all the Indeed jobs on CareerBuilder.

It was Indeed that was top. And so we put a lot into making sure Indeed was not top. 0:07:10.8 S1: How did you do that? So we're like pulling back on the paid so that Indeed doesn't have as much leverage to come on top of If I'm an Appcast of the world, even the Indeeds of the world. 0:09:26.4 S2: Yeah. 0:09:27.7 S3: I... So the quality has gotten better not only from the re-engagement strategy, but it's forced Indeed to

here in Canada, where Indeed dominates 90% of the market share. And then it was great for Indeed, and like they should celebrate. They know how much Indeed is spending. They know how much ZipRecruiter is spending. And it's no surprise to me that Indeed was not on Google for Jobs and now they are. And why wouldn't Indeed, LinkedIn, and whatever take that deal?

How about Indeed Crowd? Still no? So a company called Indeed, little job site global... And then the other thing is, look, Indeed is Indeed, Indeed has a lot of products. And then I asked him when Indeed dropped its thing, what he thought the reason was. When Indeed did it, I thought, "Man, if they can't do it, no one can do it."

Indeed’s data-hungry money grab—coming for your CPA and your sanity. As a matter of fact, Indeed might do that. You know, that's what Indeed wants. They want this position data. It's like, this is a desperation move, which we've been seeing for years at Indeed. So good luck with that indeed.

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