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And then those scam jobs are being distributed to hundreds, sometimes thousands of different job sites So I think they're doing a good job there. Joel (17m 46s): Yeah. Yeah. Let's get some of these personalities on board. But I mentioned my son Cole, who's 15 being on the job search. So I have an update. of this level, like they just want the job.

The next one caught our eye as this update came straight from the smart job board website. Chad (28m 24s): It's a great option to populate your job board with jobs. populate your job board by importing jobs from the network to backfill jobs, these jobs will look like That's where they gain a shit ton of traction with regard to, and also kneecapping job boards all over I mean, I saw a post earlier today about somebody saying they were using one of the job boards in the

What are you doing from a marketing perspective or job distribution perspective, or just marketing in They have job boards that you can hire to their diverse... The diverse boards and slates.

board in Florida. Joel: So did you sell the job board? And for about a year, I moonlighted where, yeah, I still had the job board. I'm good with my six-figure cushy marketing job. And then the job board just went to the wayside. Joel: So the auto reply grew the job board essentially? Carlos: 100%.

For sure, whether it's job boards, social, or even texting with candidates. So overall I think ZipRecruiter is really the evolution of what a job board should be aspiring to be But I think that the job board label is going to be hard for it to shake on the street. Historically job boards don't do very well. Dice has not done very well in that space. Number one is I think, I think Google is a pain in the ass for job boards, period.

Chad who needs innovation Dice's board of directors authorized a new stock repurchase program of up to I do love the website doesn't push you to job search. Joel (29m 20s): Let's get to Job Pixel video hiring platform Job Pixel has raised an undisclosed amount Joel (37m 32s): Story was here's what happens when salary is actually included in job listings. And it doesn't look like the end of the world, making salaries apparent and job postings.

It remains to be seen how this merger will impact the job board industry and the competition with Indeed The deal aims to combine their strengths and create a stronger job board. Joel Cheesman (17:38.636) is essentially pulling out of the job board biz. He may, he may transition to an advisory board guy, but Scott guts as I think we've both been expecting boards, suck them dry, and then just feed off the, off the revenue that's, that's there because all

You start a job board. Apparently, that's how you do it. board. Chad: Three people left on the board. Three people left on the board. The board has egg on its face just immensely. We criticize Elon for basically having no board. He just calls the shots.

There were some niche job boards, like maybe one or two people use plumber jobs and things that are super Now, I don't consider Facebook a job board, or a job search site, but I get why they may- Joel: boards. Job boards, marketplaces. board stuff is nuts.

People on LinkedIn aren’t looking for a job and too many candidates on job boards aren’t qualified. One, you can advertise the job on a bunch of job boards, in which case you have to, first of all, figure And basically, employers have lost faith in the job boards. board or a job site. Recruiting today is listing job ... job boards are showing jobs to candidates where they have no idea

Who job board news. Chad, the job board announced the launch of quote, "find your niche, a career podcast", the job board RippleMatch acts as an alternative to the traditional job board process by using matching and automation And then this, "we started to realize we could actually replace job boards with technology that could extension that help people accelerate their job search.

Call it the Dracula job market. The Job Openings... Chad: Zombie. board with just its core US based recruitment offering. Chad: Does Art have pictures of everybody on the board doing crazy shit in like a donkey bar's or something board today. Taking Zip from a little email blasting company startup to an innovative matching job board to IPO.

It was sent, it was sent by glass door to job board partners. job board program. Then they go ahead and welcome those job boards back in. board partners. You can go to USA jobs, which is a job board or, or you can actually pick a job like aerospace engineering

We've got a question from the job board doctor, he asks, the real question for Chad & Cheese, will Corona Joel Cheesman (36:18): You and I remember a day where job boards were going to be everywhere. So, social media has killed this job board everywhere thing. I think the fire is running out for the job board plugin, plug and play solution. Joel Cheesman (38:34): Well, then why don't we see more job board platforms and softwares pop up?

Chad: It's a message board. Joel: Totally. So, I mean, it's just, again, it's a fucking message board, dude, with sub message boards. Indeed is once again moving toward a 1990s pay-to-play job board model with the only caveat being CPC right because CPC didn't exist in job boards in 1990s so literally they went from a job search engine and they've reverted I mean, they've literally regressed back into a job board model Recruitment ad

Look, if it's sort of like when job boards realize we can just put an indeed backfill and get money on On the Fair Now side of the house, never heard of audit board before, which is really interesting. Take the tech, blend it into audit board, and away we go. We see this with PE all over the place. That's making you a diverse, uh, job board. Um, I, I just, yeah, I have a skepticism. We'll see. Joel Cheesman (43:52.336) So about a decade ago, I was doing some consulting with a job board in Vegas

So, if your job is on Indeed only, it's not on Google for jobs, at least not in the US. Chad: Here's the problem with Indeed, is that they were built by job boards and they Again, the company was built on being able to help job boards on the traffic side, being able to help job board. Twenty years later, I'm still talking about job boards.

During the event Colin Day, iCIMS CEO and Chairman of the Board along with other iCIMS leaders shared This episode is all about getting rid of the middlemen starting with job distribution.... But at the end of the day we do believe that customers should be able to do all their job advertising to Google and how rich is the job data you get to Google, but Google looks at the landing zone. So just like they (Google) want to get rid of the middlemen of the job boards, there's middlemen on the

It's free right now, anyone can publish jobs on Google for Jobs, but I'm pretty sure the pay-per-click If you look at Google for jobs right now, still almost 75% of the jobs are from job boards, especially Once they have these jobs, that's not from job boards, once they have jobs from career sites, then they for Jobs product. So the business model is, you're going to go scrape as many ATS's, RPM's, not job boards, correct?

board in APAC, Seek, and have grown the company to 8,000 customers, including Walmart. So SEEK is a major investor, and for those who don't know, SEEK, they're a major job board, just like Chad: The only job board in Australia, right? Really, they are the 800 pound gorilla. Joel: Huge. And SEEK is interesting right now, and a lot of this is public and similar to other job boards around the world, it's a very difficult environment if you're a job board.

Job boards talked about how they're dying, I mean how they're not dying. A lot of folks who want to partner with Job Board. I mean, there are probably more not job boards at the job board conference than there were job boards It's like the job board industry, “I'm not dead yet." It's all about evolving away from being a job board, that's what it is.

He said, "You're team over at Shaker does great work including job board, you build, manage, you do all In that, I think tech people think of Dice as a job board, and the best of the best developers aren't on job boards, they would never sink so low as to sort of hang out at a job board. board, but appeals to developers. boards.

Job descriptions, job postings, those types of things. Same thing with job description. boards. that don't have job descriptions at all, some that just have bad job descriptions, right? Anytime said, anybody says, I just lost a job board. I just launched an ATS.

board on these sites that skill set anymore. Chad: So just for clarity, can other job boards post their jobs into Facebook for Joel: So my understanding is with the API that the job board could add as you're And then the job would plug in and boost directly from the job board, or the job board could feed in And then Facebook would charge the job board, I guess for that promotion of the opportunity.

Then if you wanted to apply, they would send you over to the page of the job on a job board or whatever Chad: This is how a job board works. They have moved from a search engine model to a job board model. Now Indeed has done a good job of sort of getting rid of job board content, which frankly are the people the job board.

board cycle and at 430 join our good friend Alex for less for plug in or fall behind. The one thing I will say is this to everybody that's listening, they are not on job boards. board. Over 100 jobs were used just for scheduling. Shitty jobs, but they were jobs. You know what the job is? You know what the job is?

We'll sit there because all the, all the job boards can have like a millions of jobs, right. I've seen cases where the same job posted in two different locations on the same job board has totally as well, because you're all saying the same thing that the industry has existed from the day Monster board to a wrong job. So I kept on asking myself, and I know that every job board, every technology company in our space kind

Gerry: Well, Ward Crispin was a bulletin board guy, back in that day Joel: So you weren't surprised by '97ish, when the job board revolution You rated us as a top job site. boards, rank ordered, in a variety of different ways. boards that were developing.

It's Job Search. That's right. It's just basically they're gonna have a Job Search on Twitter. How, and I mean, hey, let's just slap a Job Search on there. Put a tab there that says jobs. Chad: And they, and Solera currently has 203 jobs open. We talked about some big layoffs there, pretty much the whole job board sector. Nope, I got nothing else, but nope, I'm not on board with that.

Spoiler alert: Job boards are in trouble. You just go and hire your friend out of college to go place ads on a job board. and the fact that your survey had that only 50% use job boards really shocked me. Gordon: And so as opposed to just spending money on job boards, they're saying, "Hey. I mean, I think there's a mass exodus in the job board world towards very specific boards that are really

boards. boards, creating the two horizontal brands, the Coke and Pepsi if you will of the job board space, and It was built around that rex, meaning you advertise a job in the newspaper or on a job board and you boards and getting the distribution play right? running HotJobs, I felt very strongly that the future of job searching was not gonna be at a job board

board of choice as their ATS. boards? So fewer traditional job boards in our industry, meaning like flat fee postings means less fallout. Back in the day when there was no hiring, every job board hit the fucking shoot, and everyone got ejected had a job.

What are your thoughts on the present state of the job board, job distribution industry? Job boards are dying, what do I do? But when someone say job boards are dying, and it's a challenge to see how you can save a job board. Job boards haven't done a great job 'til now. So when we're talking to the job boards, job boards they're going programmatic.

Chad (04:05.597) thousands of jobs. And those are good paying jobs. Joel (19:56.575) like Upwork and the gig economy platforms have taken out of job boards on that segment boards, I would think. like Mexico and Columbia, someone like factorial is going to write a big check and get them off the board

Lastly, sort of fringe, but I think Monster and all job boards continue to be a loser in this game. I also think that Job Boards in particular continue to lose footing in this battle of resources and big So job boards in addition, I think are a loser here. ATS, or the company page and you'll see a variety of job boards. So you'll see Linked In, which may or may not be a job board, but job sites.

Candidates at the same time we work with all job boards. We sit between if you will the the job board world and the ATSI. So we communicate and we disperse and distribute rather to job boards 100 job boards and then pull that you have job boards and indeed you have you guys. boards and the like.

And when I was looking at numbers of mobile when people are doing e-commerce on job boards, the numbers job at Pepsi. When I go to a job board, why does no job board in the world tell me, "This job you have 80% chance of Which is the one job board, which has remained among the top three in the world and the U.S. since 1997 You just stumble upon a job and you find a job and you apply to that.

boards and a horrible ATS application process. boards are. JZ: The thing with the niche job boards that I think ... where I think there's huge opportunity there, and I don't see a huge opportunity with job boards generally, I think they're going to continue to struggle, but those niche job boards with so much focus placed on

board part. I get a job notification whenever there's a new job for a CMO in Belgium. UK, Irish Jobs in Ireland and NI Jobs in Northern Ireland." Well, now when you visit Total Jobs, Irish Jobs or NI Jobs, they will all have a unified stepstone color Lieven (30:34.99) The CEO of a job board should be bragging about, but it's just me.

So I'm looking forward to getting on board with some of these ideas that are floating around. Job boards like Indeed and ZipRecruiter are lead gen machines. They monetize candidate data. board gatekeeping. They don't do the whole job board LinkedIn thing. because they want, you of course, those to be specialized positions that they can't recruit from within a board

Joel (7m 16s): Nervousness you hear is all the job boards worried about their rankings Chad (7m 19s): I remember back in the day when Panda came out and it really fucked a bunch of job boards. I mean, there were some job boards that actually shut down because of that algorithm change. I might've been on board if they weren't wasting course and development dollars on AI. If I'm an Indeed competitor, meaning job board aggregator, interviewing system and/or even ATS, I would

board. We got to blame the applicants Chad, the Canada based job board added that it was no longer accepting free job postings immediately. Chad (19m 27s): Yeah, the question is this quality over quantity or is it job board over aggregator? And I think too many job boards in our space sacrifice quality for the almighty dollar.

If you're a job board and you raise rates, like people can just say, well fuck that, I'm gonna put all It's not that big of a deal, which is probably why job boards, unless you're named Indeed and can get board and say, look, we did something. board that will do little, if anything, to drive another, look at me, look at me, press release. Education jobs, teaching jobs, school jobs. I got nothing.

They give you all these different job board opportunities. So, how are they fucking biasing? board site. So, Indeed panics, ZipRecruiter panics, every job board panics. We've the dysfunction flow down into the job board market at first, and then now I think we're seeing boards.

How many jobs have we lost? JT ODonnell (07:08.257) So we've lost over a million jobs this year. I know nothing about the growth path for a particular job because it's not on the job description. If you missed that episode, it's called How Compass Group Reduced Job Board Spend, give it a listen. I'm like, yeah, because nobody wants job boards anymore. It's like broken. doesn't work. So with steven.com coming on board, they're scaling this whole kind of enterprise up. this Disney-like

Every company spends money on job boards, on all these different other things that bring in candidates And be interested in the job. Based on that, you have to... It's a great way to have people get excited about their job and their company. You're advertising jobs, you're... Joel: So you're posting jobs. Chad: Your focus is advertising.

LinkedIn's verified job feature aims to improve job seeker safety. Let's write, let's get to the leaderboard board going from first to worst. board who isn't doing those things. Joel (32:21.943) there aren't quite a few women applaud that. now if you go to their board of directors boards get sucked into private equity hell. and be sucked for every nickel dime and profit they can

I think we're gonna see it kind of across the board. Joel (10m 43s): Yeah. Now, in old days with job boards when they sort of ruled the world, if people weren't posting jobs, they Joel (33m 37s): And programmatic might help some of these job boards out there survive the oncoming doom So if you're job board makes sure you're partnered with some of these programmatic solutions to keep Sarah White (33m 54s): Speaking of job boards.

Job boards come and go and we we've continued this whole like plat one platform to rule them all. board. boards. With the best of consumer ad tech switchboard offers our dynamic technologies to all partner, job board For sure, whether it's job boards, social, or even texting with candidates.

There'll be utilizing the hashtag #nowhiring in coordination with the ad, which means every job board So I thought that was sort of telling of the market just saying like, eh, a job board. Okay, great. board. Because as long as they're in this job board posting thing, I think it's going to be really hard for board to a software company.