Shout out to Chris Gamble, ya boy, former Indeed executive employee. Mentioned that I did a post on "indeededjobs.com" a while back, that was a total ripoff of Indeed, saying that it was a matter of time before Indeed took the site down. You had Indeed Job Spotter. Are we gonna roll over them? Chad Sowash: Yeah. So shout out to Indeed.

The other booths that are out there, like the Indeed Booth, which is just ridiculous, because they're Joel (24m 26s): If I go to Indeed or wherever, right? anything other than spending six seconds on this site and then jumping right back into TikTok or going to Indeed

They're pulling resumes off Indeed manually, or they're posting jobs on Facebook. We posted a customer success lead on LinkedIn and Indeed using the free posting. So he makes it through the basic process that Indeed provides and so I still have to evaluate. we haven't achieved it yet, the objective would be to integrate with, for example, something like an Indeed

John (47s): Yes, indeed. Indeed. Dairy-free for sure. John (3m 45s): Indeed.

You don't need Indeed when the search starts, 73% of the time, the search starts on Google. You don't need that dumb Indeed. Joel: Could this product work for other vertical search engines, such as Indeed Venkat: Indeed, actually, you know, as of next year, they are no longer going to support And as we see numbers out of ATSs and job boards saying that Google for Jobs is taken 30% of Indeed's

Chad: What about Indeed? Joel: I think the sad part is... Chad: Indeed, 2200 people. Joel: Yeah. So take a look at what Indeed did, they laid off 2200 people but they had everybody come to a call, and to improving its workplace culture post-Covid, which has been ranked among the best in the world by independent

- Zip pushes past Indeed's Canadian cock block - POWER TO THE PEOPLE - Money flows Wade & Wendy, Paradox I think Indeed would be the first one that would want to look at something like that to make it easier So if you're out there Indeed, yeah, it's probably a good idea, if you haven't yet. Listeners will remember that Indeed acquired workology last year- Chad: Workopoplis In this case, right now what we're seeing is Indeed is really, it's almost like smothering Workopolis

Like it was just company website and then you got indeed and everybody else. a shit ton of cash off of a lot of these companies. mean, they literally, they're the ones who made Indeed Indeed, period.

We talk quite extensively about Glassdoor going for 1.2 billion to Recruit Holdings, which also owns Indeed This deal kind of laughs in the face of the Indeed-Glassdoor marriage. In terms of the losers of the deal, I mentioned Indeed and Glassdoor. I think they continue to add pieces to this Indeed platform. I think they'll add all of Glassdoor. I think we mentioned when Indeed bought resume.com that resume.com resumes would also be closed off to

And Indeed, because the reviews that are going on those sites and text are going down. So in Australia, competitors are SEEK, Indeed, and the National Workforce Australia site, right? Like, we're different than Indeed, or we're different than these guys. What happened to Ada? So the National Labor Relations Board is an independent federal agency with the power to safeguard employees

What do you like to call talent.com to indeed.com? It's the nice Indeed or the friendly Indeed? Chad (19m 30s): Polite Indeed. Joel (19m 31s): These guys feel like the polite remote solution. She said this on LinkedIn quote, "HireVue have clarified that buyers of their HR technologies must indeed

little Buy-or-Sell with Veremark, Distributed and Screenloop (which recently got angel investing from an Indeed The problem will be indeed the gas prices, the energy prices. The UK based startup has raised a $7 million seed round, which included Indeed co-founder and angel investor

Big Sky indeed. Let's do this! Big week, Chad. Indeed is a client, I'm just going to throw it out there. Indeed is using their shit. I don't see this for Indeed, but I do see this for Recruit and staffing, but you take a look at BrightHire

Oana Iordachescu here, indeed originally from Romania started in talent acquisition technology has been Indeed, baby-making city. Right? For sure. And it made them feel really good indeed. And I thought, damn, that's not human at all. Lieven (35m 7s): Indeed. So the UK is going to solve all the problems.

While most think of Glassdoor or Indeed when the topic of anonymous employee reviews comes up, there's Joel: It's fair to say you are a competitor to Glassdoor, reviews on Indeed; some Indeed also creates as a job board, right.

Chad (13:28.686) You mean you mean the app that indeed that indeed like submarine? We talked about indeed last week, pulling in this whole like connect to the ATS post job. You know what, you know what a big hurdle to that is, is indeed getting all these companies to agree

Joel Cheesman (17:57.63) If you can loosely say LinkedIn and Indeed are like 80 % of your recruiting And we heard a lot of talk about cutting budgets for Indeed and LinkedIn. But I don't need to spend that kind of cash on LinkedIn and Indeed. side of the house, I mean, you mentioned it, tariffs, tariffs, tariffs. mean, the Logistic Management Index

16 countries, but they're providing, you know, market labor data, which is exactly what we've seen Indeed organically like Adzuna has, you can do something artificially, like Zip has and much like much like Indeed Now Indeed did grow organically first, but then they started just throwing a lot of cash at it. Jeff comes from Indeed where he served as head of product.

If people aren't hiring, there's comp, you know, other competition, obviously indeed. So that's two to three years where people aren't going to indeed or back in the day monster or anywhere Joel Cheesman (46:52.776) or indeed, like, think AI apply just looks at Google for jobs, right?

Forget the fact that we're interviewing and then they're going to Indeed, Glassdoor, kununu, or any of Susan: They are indeed. Yes, I like Nexxt quite a bit. They're a great partner. Indeed. Yeah. Sorry, I'm just laughing now. Chad: Indeed. Susan: Oh, knock it off. Jobster, H3, even Indeed now with their crowd whatever product.

Because Indeed, there's no way in hell Indeed's gonna allow this in their system. So there has to be a third-party that's doing this that isn't a "threat," let's say to an Indeed and

There was Indeed, the rise of Indeed there was the death of some, you know, monster, you know, eventual

Chad Sowash (07:23): We've been foreshadowing this Indeed replacing The Groundhog, and it's finally happened Indeed kicked Gary, The Groundhog to the curb and replaced him with automation, AKA The Claw, that we And while we do that, Indeed will keep creating hot garbage for their advertising campaigns, and getting How they could pull Appcast away from the likes of Indeed. Chad Sowash (34:51): Indeed, IQ. Yeah.

This is a close collaboration with, indeed, our people function, in this case, our people business partners

I mean, we talked about impact of Google for job, getting ready for Google for jobs, it will indeed die Unless you're Indeed because you're too stupid put your jobs to Google. Joel: Sorry, Indeed. They're not pimping you. I think on the most innovative mobile, Indeed, I'm not sure why they're there and I think Canvas and you're talking about suiting up for this and tuxing up for this, but I really think we should wear our Indeed

So yes, indeed. Becky: I did, indeed. Yeah. Joel: That's a sad story. Joel: Obviously Glassdoor, Indeed, there's about 15 or 20 sites that companies Maybe some companies are using surveys to take positive surveys and funneling them into Glassdoor and Indeed do you have any examples of how companies or you guys are using surveys to improve your Glassdoor, Indeed

Lieven (8m 32s): Indeed. And if you think about the number of matches and searches that are done on our system, it is indeed a from a video, with a resume, with an interview and actually creates one unified profile that you can index I was really a little bit surprised because to me, it just sounded like, Hey, this is more like an Indeed And this is what Indeed's easy apply does. Right? But easy apply isn't for everybody.

noting a Personio job postings get distributed on nearly 500 job sites and boards, including StepStone, Indeed according to Lieven over in Europe and very few companies that have been huge in our space in America, Indeed Lieven (31m 36s): Bankrupt, that was the word I was looking for, indeed. Chad (35m 4s): Sounds like a bribe to be quite Frank Lieven (35m 8s): Indeed.

Joel: Do they still live independently? Chad: Part of life. Yeah. Joel: It's coming for you. High Partners is slapping more lipstick on their pig than Indeed, which is why High Partners receives You stayed away from Indeed. We both did. Chad: No, Josh Bersin. Joel: No, Josh.

So I'm curious sometime around 2006 or seven Craig's list cut themselves off or their content from Indeed So you're at, you're at Indeed. How did this idea come to you? I know you're an idea guy. You impact the happiness index of this world, right?

Joel: By the way our buddies Indeed, when I researched this, Indeed's on the hook for $5 million investment versus the two hundred on Glassdoor so take that for what you will, but Indeed And Indeed right now is struggling. These guys actually have products within their portfolios that Indeed cannot match. And it's like Indeed or ... but within the top three it's always employee referrals.

Anytime you have that linking that someone else is referencing how Indeed got popular. Indeed never publishes any of the landing pages. They do all these listing pages.

Similar to how Indeed was really focused and disciplined around funding and all that good stuff. Speaking of Indeed, let's talk about Glassdoor. Chad (25m 2s): Oh my God. Recruit Holdings, parent company to Glassdoor, and Indeed has acquired Fishbowl, an app that gives users So isn't an interesting how Indeed isn't mentioned at all benefiting from this deal. In our own home state, Indiana where Salesforce's name is on the tallest building in downtown Indy.

and I've also said on the show many times, I also believe Zip is a better, more evolved platform than Indeed This is what Indeed should have become, right. Instead, Indeed, regressed into the early two thousands job board that it is today where Zip is more Chad (21m 58s): Indeed is obviously still killing it, but I'd buy there's no question you buy it now, You mentioned Indeed killing it. And they are.

through an interview with a live of human is gonna be drastically higher than somebody who comes from Indeed Joel: Talkpush engages with leads in real-time when they click on ads in Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Indeed

Joel, he's got to have something simplistic, like Indeed or something. And it's still the Indeeds and the CareerBuilders of the world still drive a ton of traffic to our customers So, if I were Indeed I'd be very concerned. I know it was part of your podcast last week. rise in that traffic might be due to them doing much better in the search results in Google now since Indeed When you think about marketing automation, there are a lot of tools that serve a purpose independently

Because most of your clients, they're staffing firms, and Indeed is kicking staffing firms off of their They're putting them in "Indeed jail." be a part of the impact as well, because they were spending a lion's share of their pay per click on Indeed talent pools will start to become clear because, as we talked about earlier, sort of the move away from Indeed

Independent kicks five to three. But here's what's mind boggling for me. totally different beast and the U S basically 80 % of job postings and the hiring like ecosystem is indeed No. which was Paul Forster was an investor, a founder of indeed.

I feel like Indeed is creeping up on their numbers just by the pure traffic and volume of people that go to Indeed. Like Indeed, Slack, Monster, Amazon. Then you can do whatever the hell you want, right? I mean, look at what Indeed did to be able to get not just their message out there but to be able to Joel Cheesman: The Chad and Cheese understand that current vulnerability of Indeed in a

It indexes millions of verified jobs each day directly from tens of thousands of employer career sites about accelerating our US growth and scale to help us create a genuine alternative to the likes of Indeed and LinkedIn, which I totally appreciate, not only because I hate Indeed. It's always hard to try to fight the money that Indeed throws at marketing. All right.

Um, that's basically what indeed is done. I was talking to an executive, late last year. and he said to me, the greatest threat to indeed was paradox And indeed, like somebody needs to take zip recruiter, off the board because they are, they are failing

you this title is going to outperform, Oh, you're hiring for this role, you should use this tactic on Indeed Like the tactics are different, like using multi-city Indeed is like a superpower. If you don't know what that is, maybe get out of your ATS and go logging into Indeed you can recruit, We will integrate directly with Indeed and Stack Overflow and Glassdoor and ZipRecruiter and all those this works out, we can all get together for a beer at some point because you live in a hub here in Indy

Molinari, Chad, we've known since he was just a sales dude at Indeed and to see him rise up to this level So next we have our friends at job index in a move that's sure to leave job index reaching for more alcohol But I did think Job Index had a case. The other website was indexed by Google. Job index should have gone to that organization to try to get it shut down.

So we do send feeds to all of the aggregators out there, like Indeed, LinkedIn, etcetera. You don't need to think too far from LinkedIn, Indeed, that type of company, that has a global footprint

On the first page was like always indeed and some others. Chad: Gotcha. And if they don't have the major hammer like Indeed does for SEO and search engine optimization, then

everything that you've said thus far really meets a head-to-head component as opposed to doing what Indeed we basically take each one of their jobs that they've done and then we ask them to wait and build an index you look at their profile, you're gonna see basically a three dimensional view of all the skills and index That enables us to also do another thing that's very important in algorithm, that index that they build And again, think Indeed what they were to job boards back 15 years ago.

They want to be independent from Denmark to a certain extent, but they do not want to be part of America Lieven (06:14.592) Yeah, indeed. scraped all the jobs from our companies, added them to the bots and had the bot study on them, them index Joel (46:02.788) Don't punk on indeed or punk on Craigslist.

More growth than WhatsApp business, or even the Indeed search app. Interestingly angel investors include Indeed's co-founder Paul Forster, Alex Bouaziz of Deel, Ben Herman So Paul Forrester, Indeed, co-founder the Deel, Ben Herman of Canvas Beamery leadership.

She came to Indy to hang out with us court and intro and the relaunch for the cult brand series. I mean, last week we talked about how there were pushing out Indeed-like emails, narratives, those types Chad (30m 32s): So congrats to Jeremy and the crew here in Indy. Most people don't have a hesitancy to post these jobs on places like Indeed and ZipRecruiter. Like I just go to Indeed or Google or whatever to find marketing jobs.

15m 7s): I think when you did this show a while ago where you were talking about nobody thinks about indeed Indeed and other platforms, other job boards were beginning to build credible enough technology to say