So you got like, Seattle, you know Boston and different who were more independent. I think Indeed kind of proved- [crosstalk 00:16:04] Joel: Is it though? Tony: That's it, if Indeed blew up the model and said, "Who cares, we've got everybody's Chad: Indeed, right now we're talking about Facebook, talking about Google, talking Are you finding that the employer review sites, the Glass Doors, Indeeds, are they getting more attention

Chad: Hung Lee, he loved the iCIMS throat punches Indeed line, and he gave us some They're way too proper to have a headline like iCIMS throat punches Indeed. Joel: Which by the way, shout out to Indeed, who is right next door to Talroo, But we did see the building and said hi, so shout out to our friends at Indeed.

they were purchased by StepStone, they didn't believe that Appcast was still doing distribution to Indeed Appcast is still working with Indeed, so if you've heard rumors out there, is that long-term plan, who as of now, all indications that we have is that there's no question, Appcast is still working with Indeed And not that making sense ever made sense in our industry, but yeah, cutting off Indeed It's like no, they're fucking shackling them- Joel: Indentured servitude.

I'm to go to indeed. And they probably do that for three to six months. you get, they're looking to own that whole space. and I think that spells potential trouble for the indeeds

hoped that recruiters would actually post jobs on Jobr, which so few did that they said, "Let's go get Indeed's If you're taking the content from Indeed or ZipRecruiter, or wherever, making that stuff relevant for

I'm going to spend all my awesomeness on this outbound customer campaign, and then we can do a lame Indeed The question about sort of reviews and employment brand, obviously, Glassdoor and Indeed

She, she hates indeed. but we're going to put some beer in her and get on a zoom call and see if she'll just go apeshit on indeed All of that is bad news for ZipRecruiter and Indeed, and anyone else who's in the job posting business

Now, Google for Jobs is a product of Google, but you still are providing access for Google to index your He's not a big market where, Monster, Indeed are probably a big deal. There's no strategy around do not index our site, Google, which is super easy to do. I was in the indexing game for a very long time, guys. Okay? We've been blocked. When we were like in the thick of this with indexing and whatnot with DirectEmployers, this was the same

Holly Hobbs (19:09.002) And I think indeed said themselves about 20 % of their global search is blank

And that being said, let's go on to shout out since we're talking about the up in Indianapolis, big indie Speaking of airbags and whirlwinds, Indeed's annual meeting this year is bringing in SNL veteran Amy Chad: Indeed needs to make their clients and partners laugh somehow because they're What I would've found interesting from the Wall Street Journal story is if they had also gone to Indeed's to like have a concerted strategy around we're going to bump our Glassdoor, we're going to bump our Indeed

Glassdoor and Indeed obviously, have escaped that niche and, and gone worldwide. which I think Blind probably doesn't want you to know because if it got compared to what Glassdoor and Indeed Joel (31m 36s): So if someone could dethrone a Glassdoor and Indeed, or at least maybe be a solid number

Chad Sowash (39:34.986) Indeed, we set LinkedIn in there and we're like, that's all we're going to use

primary premise is to say, look, in normal economies sites are built, the Craigslist, the LinkedIns, the Indeeds But also you have Indeed with sift that's out there that we really haven't seen them do anything with focused and poured money into something like that, it will work with what they're already doing with Indeed

So it's going to depend entirely on how people react to potentially being alone or indeed potentially communications and delivering the people run the talent brand, whatever you want to call it locally, or indeed

Chad (24m 9s): They are a better version of Indeed. They really are. They post. Joel (26m 8s): I've heard from a few recruiters that talk about Indeed IQ, not being that great because it's all sort of geared toward making Indeed richer, whereas solutions like Appcast or Pando or Recruitology

really a wasn't originally on the job like salary, which I thought was interesting because you see Indeed Last week, I called out Indeed's leadership and said they need to clean house and get rid of all those fuckers because they don't know what they're doing at Indeed.

It's probably a big one for Indeed, particularly globally and probably Google for jobs on a global scale Prompts to Richard Collins, a former co-founder over at ClickIQ and currently a strategic advisor to Indeed

Amber Wanner: And I was like, as soon as an applicant applies on Indeed or wherever can I text them and Although we've seen generative AI uses a co-pilot that can index information much faster and better than

Chad, I bet Monster and Crew Builder might've thought twice about letting their content go freely to Indeed [laughter] Joel: Well, fast forward to today, we see where Indeed is, now we see where Monster and Career

Joel: To me, I've always thought Indeed and Zip are in this horrible hamster wheel It serves Indeed ads or Indeed postings. But why in the world ... Help me figure out why did Indeed unveil a survey under the Simply Hired brand, which they should not Joel: Why not Indeed Survey? I don't understand, total mystery to me. Somebody over at Indeed, why are you putting shit on Simply Hired?

When I'm on Indeed or LinkedIn or a job board and I see a Thousand roles and let's be fair.

Allie Kelly (02:40.508) Indeed. It has been a lot to watch.

They have deals with Indeed, CareerBuilder, Bounty Jobs among others. Joel (27m 58s): Indeed and speaking of all of those things, let's play some buy or sell Chad.

The companies that you work with, how are they currently viewing or approaching the Glassdoors, the Indeed

can post a GIF of a cat swatting in another cat's head and say this cat is LinkedIn, or this cat is Indeed

It's the all Indie interview today, kids. Chad (16m 41s): So instead of using the Indeeds of the world, instead of using, you know, some of these Is this only specific kinds like LinkedIn and Indeed, or is this sort of a broad investment across a

So we see the listenership and we see the numbers and you guys love Google, Indeed. The hard part is, how do you get the right people in the right places to beat Indeed who's kicking their which I actually think will go up, because I think more people rely on their LinkedIn thing or their Indeed

an entirely new brand, right, could be a sister company or what have you, that was going to be the Indeed by, if I remember the screenshot, also went to one of the favorited or the most trafficked sites was Indeed Yes, this user's most visited sites included Indeed, I'm guessing that if Google is tracking their search

through Atlanta a couple of years ago and almost killing me, but I chose, so there are two flights out of Indy You can't like check in and you and I both know the Indy airport. So I rescheduled as I'm rescheduling, I text my wife and I say, you know, I can't get out of Indy, like Joel (25m 43s): Remember when Indeed was the Google for jobs? Chad (25m 46s): Yes. Joel (29m 5s): Indeed. And they probably have StepStone on speed dial as well.

Joel: He said, Indeed should worry about the bots and not so much about ZipRecruiter I don't think Zip is on top of mine for Indeed as much as Google is, but Tim, I appreciate the sentiment Chad: Yeah, I would say that there's no question that Indeed is worrying about Zip

They say, "Uh, Indeed. Chad: So you talk about Zip, and Indeed. We think Indeed, and man, KSL, and NewCo, and Glassdoor, and Google are really great at, so we've integrated Travis: No, because each company operates independently.

Because you should have Chad and Cheese onsite, since we're both here in Indy. And I'm actually surprised it took this long, Indeed and Simply Hired, I think probably we're the intermediate about Google Jobs, is that as soon as you bought Jobvite, your jobs were automatically distributed onto Indeed

LinkedIn and Indeed together are owed about seven hundred and eighty thousand. But there's more. Chad (22:34.235) So if you can't, it can't be properly indexed by search engines or LLMs.

Joel (25m 4s): Sounds like a move from Indeed's playbook. Chad's what your take? And it is very Indeed-like there's no question, get your shit together or we're kicking you off the bus

Noelle (01:55.188) Indeed, hook Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They go Google or go on LinkedIn or Indeed, and they search for a job that's similar to the one they're

I, I buy indeed because well, I'm not going to get fired for Emi B (40:09.694) Yeah. Joel (40:31.15) spending money with Indeed or LinkedIn, or I buy Microsoft because I'm not going to get

what it looks like is you're going through, you're searching for jobs, not just going to LinkedIn and Indeed

You're going to be an independent contractor, but I got to say, I saw Torrin Ellis' video yesterday. Sir Richard Collins, formerly of Click IQ and now at Indeed celebrates a birthday. Roy Mauer, our buddy from Sherm, celebrating a birthday and Brian Shanie one of our fans over at Indeed part of the news story, as well as talking about how bad cancel culture is and how conservatives are independent

Joel (49s): Well Indeed on this week's show more funding flows into startups, maybe the extra unemployment Joel (18m 43s): And the online job site Indeed found that in states that have abandoned the federal benefits

got to be sticky, you've gotta be the lifestyle platform is what I'm hearing, you can't just be an Indeed

Within frontline, with what's going on and, and I'm, can't wait to get your brains on this from like an Indeed

Yes, indeed. So I think that alone would... Chad (25:59.411) Mm-hmm. Joel (26:05.089) the stones.

I mean, Indeed, I can't believe that a company like Indeed didn't gobble them up. me to this Forbes article that showed that all of these big brands that scored really high in this index card called the corporate equity index, how they really are like speaking out of both sides of their

JobAdX, dude, it's all of them, but the show, they're hired a lot of people, like they're coaching indeed system of record, all you need is something that is incredibly powerful and something that can actually index of glom on with the staffing companies and then the staffing companies who we've talked about, like indeed

diversity quotas and DEI-based training programs, as well as sever ties with the corporate equality index If people are talking about efficiency, I always wonder how is indeed AI going to impact that?

So thanks also to Josh Vesley, for letting us know that Indeed does, in fact, have pot jobs. So I went to Zip Recruiter, I went to Indeed, although they didn't reply. Shocker. Joel: But from an innovation standpoint, to compete against Google, LinkedIn, Indeed

It'll just get sucked up by Indeed who's ... They're both owned by the same parent company. Joel: Indeed is most definitely in those areas and I'm sure have That is interesting because, as you have talked about, kind of Glassdoor coming under the Indeed umbrella

Number three is square space, number four, Indeed. Trying to catch up. Actually, after Indeed I believe it was Quip who sells dental services. Mike: It was actually an independent woman if I remember correctly, and she was managing Or Monster, we just wanna focus on our duration ads instead of being an aggregator like Indeed

So we made TechWolf big, just that's a flex indeed.