Like, what are those, are we optimizing for Google for Jobs and Indeed, and vertical job search engines Joel (10m 36s): Why wouldn't you be optimizing for Google for jobs and Indeed and those kinds of sites Oras (10m 50s): And for Indeed it will be really hard because Indeed is a quite large site and there of a Jobiak, did I say that right, Chad, competitor, where you're optimizing for Google for Jobs and Indeed

your turnover is not as bad, but also to be able to save money on not spending a shit ton of cash on Indeed some point, if I can make travel arrangements on Chrome, if I'm a job seeker, why can't I just go to indeed LinkedIn and indeed are trying to be a layer of agentic that you just go straight to them instead of able to spend the resources to actually demonstrate to the rest of the world that they should LinkedIn indeed So thank you, Indy, LinkedIn for spending all that money, resources and whatnot and showing the rest

I had to sift my way through, find this thing called Indeed, register with Indeed, put in all my data I think you only have to look at Indeed's clay. It seems like Google is playing Indeed's playbook here. Unfortunately, there's no way in hell Indeed is going to be able to squash Google. We see Indeed sort of launched their own sort of free ATS, I'm sure LinkedIn.

Chad: Yeah, Indeed. platform and Indeed is no different, so if Indeed is also your event, job fair whatever you want to The Indeed heroine drip. Joel: And Indeed's okay with that, I think. We've seen Indeed grow very organically slowly, only take roughly $10 million.

open-up about everything from automation, how job seekers will apply to jobs in the future, and even how Indeed's So I'm on, I'm on Indeed. I see a job I want apply now with your Indeed account. Chad: So ZipRecruiter and Indeed can't handle realtime postings? But the like Indeed and ZipRecruiter, that's not how they really do it. top of because we're talking about going out and having performance based ads like Google AdWords on Indeed

Indeed and LinkedIn pretty much own the market for the most part. I think the two job boards out there is Indeed and LinkedIn. Indeed Same thing. In order to get your jobs out there, you have to sponsor them. So I would love to see another vendor compete with them, come out with work and go back to how Indeed

But yeah, for jobs, why would I not be on Indeed, ZipRecruiter, Jobs2Careers, Google, etc. But the basic strategy was fairly simple, it was the flank Indeed, you really run an experiment to see That's really what it was, because Indeed was killing it, on the SEO side of the house. 40,000 domains So Indeed won, and they did more than win. free job seekers back to Indeed.

Gut Punch: Stagflation, layoffs, and a labor market on edge —aka your weekly reminder that winter is indeed I know indeed. Maureen Clough (37:04.715) Indeed. Chad (37:14.898) And that's a bad index because you have to pay to get on there. They're looking at the broader expanse of job data where Indeed is more focused on really what they're

And it was interesting that they didn't do that with Indeed. Lieven: Yeah. And suddenly there was Indeed playing everything away because they knew how to do it and they did it And indeed the US situation is different, I think because you speak English and in the whole of the United And we're talking about people from Indeed, from... Look into the article, it's plenty.

companies in our space act like nothing ever happened like - Jobvite and iCIMS are on the attack - Indeed Grocery store, Kroger waffles and rape allegations at Indeed. And we'll also see where allegations at Indeed ends, here at some point. I found it interesting as well that the accuser is still an employee at Indeed. So if the allegations are true, Indeed really has some work to do to get its house in order.

We did a panel with Paul Darcy, CMO at Indeed. Chad: Yeah, Justin. Chad: Indeed was here, just so that you know. Joel: Yeah, let's talk about Indeed real quick. Indeed has a new CEO. We're actually going to be in Austin soon right next door to them. So if you're listening, Indeed, and we know you are, hopefully you'll change your mind.

for 20 years Kshitij Jain (aka KJ) has worked with well-known companies like Monster.com, Mobolt, and Indeed where someone was coming from the ... you could not even see the rear view mirror and the likes of Indeed I was actually on the outside at that time, I saw Indeed coming, and I saw exactly what they were doing Or Indeed for that matter. Right?

Rachel Morgan: Well, when I started, I was an analyst for PPC, so I was doing job postings on Indeed

Torin Ellis: Indeed. Chad: 2024. Okay, so right out of the gate.

Chad: Indeed's here. Indeed's here. Joel: And Indeed is here, yes. Yes.

I think indeed, it's all about to diversity and inclusion. And we see indeed that 40 seconds, there is a more play or watch time on those vacancies when there's Rika (21m 10s): Yeah, indeed so it's our new powerhouse <inaudible>, which is an acquisition we closed So focusing on Europe, indeed. Joel (24m 28s): So, House of HR, are you a house of brands? Indeed, we look at keeping the own brands.

But we do see ZipRecruiter, Indeed, all the obvious job boards. We know most of our customers are using Indeed. We consider that to be our primary competition. costs that construction companies are spending across the various point solutions they've got, from Indeed

So, Google for Jobs launched a couple years ago, Indeed, of course, has decided not to participate in Is Indeed only okay for most companies? You shared outcast report, their data is showing it, it's still Indeed and Glassdoor. Because, how much of Indeed's traffic was on the Google side of the house? So, ten years from now, will it still be Indeed and Glassdoor?

Additionally, this week’s episode covers - Slack’s comeback, - Indeed’s moon landing ad? That being sad, you also brought up Indeed's new Oscars commercial, because we've been talking about Joel: Keep swinging, Indeed. Eventually you'll get that TV commercial right. We had to do a readjustment to the Indeed math that we shared last week from the Indeed switcheroo segment shit about Indeed.

I personally see Indeed trying to move staffing into more of a marketplace type of scenario. Do you believe that big companies like Indeed are going to start to pivot into your market? And Indeed frankly is one way. So they're always going to use things like Indeed to post their jobs and source and so forth. We just talked about having one place to go, like where we were referencing Indeed.

Josh Sklut (03:38.881) I am indeed. Thank you. Joel (03:40.261) Let's rock in three, two. Josh Sklut (05:11.053) I am indeed. Joel (05:12.289) All right. We'll close it up early, Chad. Josh Sklut (28:12.481) I am indeed. Joel (28:13.987) All right, here starts the firing squad.

Okay, it's going down very hard. yeah, it's like, indeed it's like the drones and the total EV market Elon. mean, if you go back two years in this podcast, was a very big fan of Elon Musk. thought, yeah, indeed Indeed, Emi B (09:28.264) No, and the thing is I feel really bad now because that was obviously a really

So, so some insider baseball here, LinkedIn and Indeed had subtle changes to their apply. Okay? with Indeed. I, again, I'm not a huge fan of Indeed's experience overall. I mean, from a branding standpoint. Joel (7m 17s): And, and speaking of jamming the brand, my last shout out goes to Indeed as well, who Indeed Flex. How sexy is that? Chad (7m 34s): Who didn't see that coming?

I'd say, Indeed is competition. Anyone that's in that space Jubal, Globally. You know, Indeed needs competition because they are the dominant player in the market and we need a buffer What I think they should do is, you know, do what Indeed does and take a page out of their book. I mean, that's, I think I love a lot of the growth will come from overseas markets that Indeed is not Indeed. Indeed's main basically the US. Joel (28m 51s): And Indeed is owned by a public company.

11 in classified revenue globally to number three, thereafter, Recruit Holdings are buddies who own Indeed You can't compare Indeed with, let's say Infer Jobs in Spain. So the, the biggest, like outside of Indeed the biggest job boards in the UK are not anywhere else. Like read is I think probably number one after indeed. And then I know there is nowhere else. Lieven (28m 15s): And it's weird too, because if you look at Glassdoor or Indeed, or the other sites,

The review, the review universe is sort of engulfed by Glassdoor and Indeed. Joel (39m 36s): Indeed. Chad (39m 37s): Oh Jesus. Joel (39m 38s): Oh, we got to have a show talking about Indeed. Chad (39m 40s): Oh my God, come on. So I don't know, a little shout out to Indeed, doing a little diversification of their business, hoping They're not disciplined like we've known from Indeed's day past. Joel (40m 55s): Yep.

We've got this indeed creates their own, you know, apply, you know, easy apply, which then Joel Cheesman I mean, all of these different companies indeeds trying to do some some version of this, some weak ass

I'll be back in Indy for the Indy 500 weekend. Happy birthday to us. You'll remember that Indeed basically said, but pay information on a job posting, or we're going to make Chad (19m 47s): And I got to say, this is the one thing that I am inline with Indeed, on most of the And if you want to use Indeed, which most companies feel like they have to, you are going to have to

dive headfirst into Entelo's dumpster fire big brands unfriend Facebook Glassdoor gets pulled into Indeed's Indeed so far as we know, hasn't let anyone go. We haven't heard anything about Indeed's reviews going over to Glassdoor. It's basically Indeed and Glassdoor, is like 90% of the market. Chad: Yeah. This seems like a pretty positive move that doesn't do much to hurt Indeed.

I'm wondering if Indeed is looking to finally pull the cord on this. What's going on? Joel (4m 29s): I can't believe they don't even transfer calls to Indeed. Indeed has the job content. I mean, they don't do anything. Joel (18m 17s): Indeed advertised last year. Chad (18m 18s): Advertising. And, and I thought instantly of Indeed's acquisition of Workopolis back in the day, which was allegedly

Lieven (7m 20s): Yeah, indeed, indeed. Ikea. It's not about Elin. Lieven (7m 44s): And indeed, but now Ikea is going to launch a gaming line and gets all over the world We're going to do a big topic about e-sports because it's booming and it's indeed a great place to hire Lieven (33m 29s): Indeed and if there hadn't been a lock down and if the doctors would just have said

Like have all your jobs search friendly and indexable. Am I right about that? It's been a while. Why pay Indeed if they're putting your jobs on Google For Jobs and your jobs aren't optimized? Joel: It's like Indeed in the early days. All I need is about a dozen clients to pay me a ton of money to get their jobs indexed or higher in the So they had their layoffs, Indeed had their layoffs.

So I didn't get to hear what you thought about the Indeed acquisition of ZAPinfo. So we called Indeed, Indeed, you know, grab some money out of the, out of the couch, cushions took the But I mean, there, there wasn't any announcement by Indeed. Joel (18m 22s): So I think it was really small fries for, for Indeed not a big deal, a duck and move Joel (18m 51s): And there was no announcement of, you know, Doug joins Indeed as such and so I think

What how much do you review sites like Glassdoor and Indeed reviews come into play when you're consulting Indeed is more like a platform where you can post your vacancies and it doesn't really say something And of course as well, what are applicants saying for example, but Glassdoor and Indeed, and like the

Umm, so we have our, uh, automated feeds with like an Indeed and, and others. Umm, if you're Going on like an indeed or, or something like that.

You've seen it yourself type into Indeed. Yeah. I mean, fuck me, Indeed give them back the money please. So does Indeed. comes to matching what makes your matching so much better and you don't have as much information as Indeed So do I think you're going to be the next Indeed.

in internal recruitment over the last decade, it's heavily dependent on platforms like LinkedIn and Indeed And the reality is that audience does not live on LinkedIn and Indeed. They're not on Indeed.

Arran: You can indeed, yes. So, it's exactly the same as what they're used to doing on something like Indeed Arran: They do indeed. Yes. Absolutely. Maybe a monster.com or Indeed could get away with that because more and more people know them, but job.com

All the Indeed ads look really anti-Google. Joel: Are we talking Indeed or Monster? Chad: Yeah, Indeed, Indeed. The Monster ads I think are great, 15-second ads. You have Indeed saying, "To hell with it, we're not playing. Facebook, we can't have a show without talking Facebook, LinkedIn, Microsoft, Indeed and Facebook.

are growing like, um, a weed Talroo gets integrated ... and what show would be complete without some Indeed Chad: Some Indeed rumors real quick. Joel: Oh. And the only way that you're going to get any traffic from Indeed moving forward, is to pay for that That's the quality control group at Indeed. The party poopers. You need to start looking at the nice Indeed and the Neuvoo, that's how you say it. Neuvoo.

Indeed, Beth, indeed. And you made my nice list. Chad Sowash (17:13.146) Hell yeah. The market fell. mean, the floor fell out in 2008 indeed became the thing.

So shout out to Denmark's job index who was ratcheting up Step Stone's, original antitrust complaint If they would have had this thought process, they could have perspectively come up with Indeed before Indeed did right. If they could have reinvented themselves, Indeed, wouldn't be on the top of the mountain now. And then three years later, you had a Career Jet, you had Simply Hired, you had Indeed, and now those

Joel: Well, moving on from HireVue and privacy, we go to Indeed's privacy policy So if you're on Indeed, suspect that your data is on all of their sister sites very soon, if not already Not Indeed, but again, I think we see more companies doing this just to be able to do a CYA dance around I have heard rumblings that although Indeed isn't on Google For Jobs in most parts of the world, that So yeah, this whole trading of data and sharing of data, Indeed took another step into doing that.

Maureen Wiley Clough (10:37.614) closer to the center, to the more independent realm that have made the Last shout out goes to Oroz Alcubasi who heard us talking about Indeed's traffic decline last week and noticed that Indeed did not experience the biggest drop from January to February 2025. Oroz, did you factor in Simply Hired and Indeed Property? dropping 17 % into that narrative. Now I know that Indeed and SimplyHired are separate sites, but they're both owned by Indeed.

With a founder who cut his teeth at Indeed, Jobcase and The Muse, it's bound to get interesting. I started out back in Indeed when it was a small... imagine that like every day just calling up ATSs, trying to get them to do product integrations with Indeed So if you're running a lot of job ads on Indeed or Zip, you're measuring a cost per applicant, you're Joel: I love how there's so much of an echo of indeed with your

When we look at our portal traffic and what slows down portals or whatever, well if Indeed is scraping Well, Google over the years (before Google for Jobs) had crowned Indeed the winner of the job site wars and one of the reasons Indeed was crowned revoled around getting job content to Google faster than any

So if I were Glassdoor and Indeed and Blind, maybe some of these others, that is another sort of nail in this is, is ChatGPT and Bard get their answers largely from the content that's on Glassdoor and Indeed if at some point they shut that data off, which I think they should, or Monster should have shut off Indeed

I mean, you literally could throw a rock and hit Indeed's office. With Indeed, we call our office the center of the job search universe. Even if you- Joel: Not if Indeed doesn't play. Chad: Could you hear that, Indeed? Amit Chauhan: I didn't say Indeed!

Especially in Europe indeed. Yeah. And when we see the indeed's of the world, what's that? Okay. I don't know bupkis about bupty. end of the day, this to me is a problem that is being fixed at the top of the funnel instead of what Indeed's Independent analysis shows performance improved in 21 out of 24 services turnover tanked.

Joel (10m 16s): Indeed's an investor. Tim (10m 17s): Right. And more than one-ups Indeed's weak ass interviewing platform. The main point here is that Zip needs the challenge Indeed, and deliver better candidates faster. Vervo would supercharge those efforts and make Indeed's platform look like a set of tinker toys. ): By the way, could you, like the amount of money that's going to be like just throwing at Zip and Indeed